*Appendix Trivia*

[Radagast The Brown]

The wainriders?

[Pytt]

and we got a winner! your turn, radagast!

[Radagast The Brown]

In which war were the last descendants of Castamir killed?

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Not sure what it's called if it has a name, but was it between Angmar and Arthedain?

[Radagast The Brown]

It didn't have a name - but it's definitely not between Angmar and Arthedain. And I'm looking for the name of the King that ruled in this war, by the way...

[matthew]

Wasn't it just a that gondorish civil war? And the king was Earnil or Earnur whatever (I can never keep them straight). I'm prob. not right, if I am, I won't be back in a while so you can go without me... ;)

[Radagast The Brown]

No, not in the civil war. The civil were Castamir was alive - he was the reason for the war, wanted to rule Gondor. His supporters fled to Umbar, IIRC. His son(s) too.

I'm looking for his last descendant. :) He died in a war.

[Valandil]

Rad - are you sure the war had a name? (I didn't look it up yet, just don't recall a name from memory)

[Radagast The Brown]

I said it didn't have a name. :p I wanted the name of the King of Gondor, not the war, that in his days the last descendant of Castamir was killed.

[Valandil]

I said it didn't have a name. :p I wanted the name of the King of Gondor, not the war, that in his days the last descendant of Castamir was killed.

Really? But THIS was your question:

In which war were the last descendants of Castamir killed?

You say 'in which war'... Silly boy! :p We'll have to get you for THAT one! :evil: :mad: :eek: :D

Which KING then... I'll start by guessing Calimehtar! :)

[Radagast The Brown]

Sorry.. :o :eek: :D

And that is CORRECT Val! :) Your turn.

[Valandil]

OK - I wasn't SURE about Calimehtar, but I thought it was either him or his father or grandfather... and I didn't know their names! :o :p

Which King of Rohan was not remembered with praise, was greedy of food and of gold and at strife with his marshals and children?

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Fengel?

[Valandil]

Fengel it was... your turn, TD

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

In which year was Eregion founded?

[Manveru]

Eregion was founded by the Noldor in 750 Second Age

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Correct

[Manveru]

who was gimli's grandfather?

[Valandil]

who was gimli's grandfather?

Groin?? :confused:



:eek:




:p

[Pytt]

damn it. Val your right, so it is no need for me to post it...
the answer is Groin, pick me! :D

[Manveru]

yep Groin is right
i wonder if tolkien ever noticed that...

[Valandil]

Oh weird... I thought I was just joking - that the thread was a bit stalled and needed a little jolt! :p

OK - better ask another:

Who wedded Morwen of Lossarnach?

[ItalianLegolas]

I believe it was Thengel the 16th King of Rohan

[Valandil]

I'm not certain of what number he was, but it was indeed Thengel! :)

Your turn to ask, IL...

[ItalianLegolas]

Hmmmmmmm, ok, when was The Oath of Eorl made? (year and age)

[Radagast The Brown]

2650 third age?

[ItalianLegolas]

Nope, close though

[ItalianLegolas]

actually, thats a bad question so heres a new one

What year did Faramir Took marry Goldilocks, the daughter of Sam?

[Manveru]

1463

[ItalianLegolas]

correct, your turn

[Manveru]

What are two other names for ents?

[ItalianLegolas]

well, one is tree-herders isn't it?

[Manveru]

i meant in other languages

[ItalianLegolas]

oh, then i don't know

[Elemmírë]

Orodrim and Enyd

[Manveru]

correct

[Elemmírë]

Name the days of the week in Quenya.

[ItalianLegolas]

i think they are

Valana
Elenya
Anarya
Isilya
Alduya
Menelya
Earenya

[Elemmírë]

Sorry! :o

The Quenya week actually only has six days. Earenya was later added by Numenoreans. :)

Your turn, IL.

[ItalianLegolas]

name the first ruling Queen of Numenor

[Radagast The Brown]

Ancalime.

[Valandil]

RtB - you're correct, and IL hasn't been around to say so - so why don't you just go ahead... :)

[Radagast The Brown]

When was the meeting of Gandalf and Thorin, that 'caused' the Erebor journey?

[ItalianLegolas]

they met on a road somewhere, and gandalg told Thorin that he had found his thorin's grandfather in the dungeons of the necromancer in Dol Gulder

[Rosie Gamgee]

When was the meeting of Gandalf and Thorin, that 'caused' the Erebor journey?

You mean, like, exact date?

[Valandil]

Does it just say 'early spring' or something like that? Or is it something like 'March 15, 2941'?

[Radagast The Brown]

Yes, exact date. Val got it. Your turn. :)

[Valandil]

Freaky - it was right off the top of my head, but I wondered if it might be right. :p

OK - For how many years was Castamir the king before Eldacar came with a great army out of the north?

[Radagast The Brown]

10 years?

[Valandil]

Ten years is correct... your turn, RtB!! :)

[Radagast The Brown]

When Frodo is taken to Heneth Annun by Faramir, where is Aragorn?

Sorry for being late.. :o

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

at the hornburg

[Radagast The Brown]

No..

[Valandil]

Dunharrow?

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

isengard/angrenost/orthanc

[Radagast The Brown]

Dunharrow it is. Your turn Val.

[Valandil]

Who (first) came to Erebor and became King Under the Mountain - and found there the Arkenstone?

[Pytt]

Thráin I, son of Náin was the first to be king in Erebor. and find the Arkenstone

[Valandil]

Correct Pytt... thy turn! :)

[Pytt]

How many daughters had Adalgrim Took?

[Valandil]

three? (was he 'The Old Took'? :p )

[Pytt]

no, I am afraid that was wrong :p
I don't know if he is the old took...

[Valandil]

Oh - that's right... "Gerontius" or something like that, is the name of 'The Old Took', IIRC. :)

[Radagast The Brown]

six?

[ItalianLegolas]

two??

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

4 daughters:
3 unnamed and esmeralda who married saradoc brandybuck and was meriadocs mother

[Pytt]

LCoU is correct :)

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

LCoU is correct :)
who was the wife of madoc 'proudneck'?

[Twista]

Hanna Goldworthy, yes I looked it up, I havent got a super-memory!

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

yes, thought i had stumped all,
away ye go twista

[Twista]

Erm..

How long was Rohan covered in snow during the Long Winter?

[ItalianLegolas]

approximately 5 months

[Valandil]

ItaLeg - I checked and you are correct - it says 'almost five months'.

You go ahead and go. :)

[Twista]

Yes go ahead..

[ItalianLegolas]

cool, hmmmmmmm... *flipping through pages* Ah-HA!!

On what date did the Entmoot begin??

[Radagast The Brown]

March 7th? Just a random guess..

(did your avatar just moved? :))

[Elemmírë]

cool, hmmmmmmm... *flipping through pages* Ah-HA!!

On what date did the Entmoot begin??

I guess we could ask one of the admins... ;)

Maybe... June 14. And I was just thumbing through the tale of years thing earlier myself :rolleyes:

[Valandil]

Radagast would be fairly close - because I remember that Gandalf the White first met the threesome of Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli on March 1, 3019 (TA) in Fangorn Forest (it was Aragorn's birthday - although he makes no mention of it in the text).

So I'll guess March 1, 3019 - as also the date for the start of Entmoot.

[ItalianLegolas]

sorry, neither of those are right

[The Wizard from Milan]

You could tell from the name of the sender. If it was a flower or jewel name then the sender is female. Also, if the name ended in an "a" then it was a male sender. If the name ended in "o" or "e" then it was a female sender.
But Frodo and Bilbo end in "o" and they are male :confused:

[Twista]

I tryed looking it up...

all i could come up with is that it would fall between Feb 26th - March 2nd 3019.

[ItalianLegolas]

all i could come up with is that it would fall between Feb 26th - March 2nd 3019.

Nope. Trust me, if you look in the right place you'll find it

[Pytt]

It was the 30. of February..?

[Valandil]

March 2, 3019?

[Valandil]

But Frodo and Bilbo end in "o" and they are male :confused:

WfM - I think you have to read on in the part of the appendix about Hobbit names - where Tolkien explains how he translated some of them, and what they originally were. Keith K is talking about a portion that relates to this... see the 'On Translation' part of Appendix F - the last few pages of the appendices. :)

[Twista]

March 2, 3019?

That was in my guess. Its not correct Valo.

[Valandil]

That was in my guess. Its not correct Valo.

You didn't guess a date though - but a range! :p

I'll stick with my guess until IL rules on it... ;)

[ItalianLegolas]

It was the 30. of February..?

That it was, your turn

[Twista]

So in theory, I was correct... lol

[ItalianLegolas]

in theory yes... but not in my book!!

[Pytt]

Who of the kings of Rohan is there spoken most about?

[Valandil]

Eorl?

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

helm

[Pytt]

Helm Hammerhand to be correct, but it's your go, LCoU

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

of fosco and ruby baggins' three children, which had no children of their own?

[ItalianLegolas]

Dora (the oldest child I think)

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

correct

[ItalianLegolas]

sorry for the looooooooooooong delay guys.
okay here it is...
Who did Valacar marry?

[Twista]

Twas Vidumavi I do declair...

[ItalianLegolas]

Yeah, it was easy. I felt obligated to put something up, because i waited so long. Anyway, its your turn Twista

[Twista]

How old was Aragorn when he return to Rivendell, after attending to several duties in Mordor?

[ItalianLegolas]

90? if my math is correct

[Twista]

No, earlier in his career... when Sauron was still about and rebuilding his power.

[ItalianLegolas]

*explitive* ummm... 57??

[Twista]

Nope... hes still too much of a jerryatric! :p

[ItalianLegolas]

hes still too much of a jerryatric! :p

does that meant hes to old?

is it 22?

[Twista]

Hmm I dont think I was specific enough..

It was just before he first travelled to Lothlorian..

[ItalianLegolas]

I hope this is it... 69?? (Please let it be 69, please Eru! PLEASE!)

[Twista]

Well my friend im sorry, I really am...

WRONG

:D

[ItalianLegolas]

I GIVE UP!!!!! AGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! :mad:

[Radagast The Brown]

My guess would be... 30?

[Twista]

Older buddy...

[Count Comfect]

Forty?

[Pytt]

or fortyfive?

[Twista]

Very close Pytt...

[Pytt]

Well, then 46 is my answer

[Twista]

Ok not that close... :p

[edit] no one congratulates me on my 1000th :(

[Pytt]

Then it got to be 44!

[ItalianLegolas]

50?? (this is the last time)

[Valandil]

He was 49 - but he came to Lorien then, not Rivendell (and he didn't exactly have "duties" in Mordor :p ;) )... and Arwen was there and they met for their second time - and pledged themselves to one another... and Galadriel had arrayed him in white so that he looked like an Elf Lord, or something. :)

[ItalianLegolas]

if he explained it I coulda got that one... :(

[Valandil]

Twista was on, but didn't post 'right' or 'wrong'...

Do you want to take it then, IL? I won't really be able to monitor and respond to answers very much. :)

[Twista]

Yes sorry, yes it was correct..

And sorry again Val, i should have been more specific. You sounded mad :o

[ItalianLegolas]

Do you want to take it then, IL? I won't really be able to monitor and respond to answers very much. :)

If its alright with you Val.

What was the battlecry that Gimli yelled at the siege of the Hornburg.
(In Dwarvish and the translation) I'm not sure if Dwarvish is the right word though...

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Barak Khazad. Khazad Ai-menu.
It means the 'The Axe of the Dwarves. The Dwarves are upon you'!

[ItalianLegolas]

Yep. Have fun TD!

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

What did the linnod of Gilraen to Aragorn mean?

[Valandil]

"linnod"?? :confused: What's that?

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

I'm not quite sure, but that's what it says Gilraen's words to Aragorn are.

[Pytt]

It meant something like this: I gave Hope to the Dunedain, I have kept no hope for myself.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Correct.

[Pytt]

Alright.

What was the name of Azogs son?

[Count Comfect]

Bolg.

[Pytt]

Yes, that is perfectly correct CC :)

[Count Comfect]

Hm... what was the name of Thorin II Oakenshield's greatgrandfather?

[ItalianLegolas]

Thain

[Count Comfect]

Nope.

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

dain 1st

[Count Comfect]

Yes. :) Your go.

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

seeing as i found my book, i can post a question, hooray!! although my dog has eaten the first cahpter out of it :mad:

who followed goldwine as king of the mark?

[Genealogy_dude]

hobbit

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

hobbit
erm ... no :confused:

[Elemmírë]

Déor.

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

Déor.
ye be correct, asketh thine question, ye queen of thy noldorin king of the stony halls :p

[Elemmírë]

ye be correct, asketh thine question, ye queen of thy noldorin king of the stony halls :p

Don't let SGH catch you saying that... ;)

hm...

It's the only way I can do this...

And all mistakes are my own... :p

Who is named in the tengwar? It uses the Quenya format, btw...

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

i'm not very good at tengwar :p

Ar-Inziladun aka Tar-Palantir

[Elemmírë]

Hardly. :p

[Valandil]

"Finrod"?? :p (wild guess ;) )

[Elemmírë]

"Finrod"?? :p (wild guess ;) )

Honestly! Do you think I'd make it that obvious... ;)

Not Finrod... :p

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

hmm, i getcha...

feanor?? :p

[Embladyne]

Tar-Ancalimon ?

[Elemmírë]

Not Fëanor. :mad:

Not Tar-Ancalimon. :p

[Earniel]

Who is named in the tengwar? It uses the Quenya format, btw...
Oooh, my tengwar is so incredibly rusty... :o Let's see.... it's starts with 'Tara' I think, and ends on 'aliem' but I can't figure out the middle symbol and I have no clue what it could be. :rolleyes:

[Elemmírë]

Oooh, my tengwar is so incredibly rusty... :o Let's see.... it's starts with 'Tara' I think, and ends on 'aliem' but I can't figure out the middle symbol and I have no clue what it could be. :rolleyes:

Not bad, not bad at all... But I think you're confusing the Sindarin and Quenya versions of it a little bit... :p

[Valandil]

Then... Tar-Ancalime?? (if you're being strict with Chrys :p )

[Elemmírë]

Then... Tar-Ancalime?? (if you're being strict with Chrys :p )

It was Em who had guessed Tar-Ancalimon...

And yes, it is Tar-Ancalimë, Queen of Númenor. ;)

[Earniel]

Not bad, not bad at all... But I think you're confusing the Sindarin and Quenya versions of it a little bit... :p
Crud. There's that again. :p

[Valandil]

It was Em who had guessed Tar-Ancalimon...

And yes, it is Tar-Ancalimë, Queen of Númenor. ;)

Whoops! sorry... :o didn't pay close enough attention.

OK... who gave his ring to Elrond?

[Count Comfect]

Gil-Galad?

[Valandil]

TAG! You're IT! :p :D ;)

[Count Comfect]

DARN! I'm it? :p

OK then.... um ... how many incarnations of Durin the Deathless preceded Dain II Ironfoot?

[Valandil]

OOoooo... good one.

Um... six? :confused:

[Count Comfect]

Good one, but you got it anyway... :D

[Valandil]

Good one, but you got it anyway... :D

Only thing that made me guess that... I recall someplace a tale (maybe told as one unconfirmed) that a later descendant of Dain did indeed return to Moria and re-established it - I believe he was the seventh Durin - and the one most previous to him was the one referred to in the Balrog's title "Durin's Bane" - so I figured that had to be the sixth. (EDIT: where is that though? Appendix A? UT? HoMe?? :confused: )

OK - me again...

King Ondoher of Gondor had two sons, yet neither ever became kings. What were their names?

(for 'bonus points' :p how far apart were they in age? and what was their sister's name? ;) )

EDIT - Oops! Forget the underlined part - that's UT, not appendix. :o

[Count Comfect]

It's in one of the Appendices - there's a genealogy of the Dwarves, and it goes from Durin VI to Durin VII, via Dain... therefore, it must be Durin VI that was the last before Dain ;)

As to you question, I have no idea.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Artamir and Faramir.

[Valandil]

Yes TD - you're correct: Artamir and Faramir.

FYI - their sister, Firiel, married Arvedui - whose father Araphant was King of Arthedain / Arnor. And, according to UT (to fill in all the gaps) they were 3 years apart in age.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

What are Samwise and Hamfast's 'true' names.

[Twista]

I'm not sure what you mean...

Is it Gamwichy?

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

I was looking for the first names but it wasn't to clear so you can go.

[Twista]

Ok then:

On what date did the "dawnless day" occur?

*edit*oops thought this was fellowship trivia for some reason - since no ones replyed, ill change it*

[Twista]

*bump* You people are very slow...

[Radagast The Brown]

March 1? I'm really not sure.

[ethuiliel]

March 23?

[Twista]

Nope and Nope

[Radagast The Brown]

March 10 then?

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

somewhere between jan 1 and dec 31?


:p

[Twista]

March 10 then?

Yes, you have it buddie.

[Radagast The Brown]

:)

Hmmm... Where did Thorin's name come from?

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

when he picked a fallen oak branch up to use as a shield in the attack on the orcs of moria during the dwarf and goblin wars

[Radagast The Brown]

Yup. :)

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

in which year did borin of the line of erebor die?

[Radagast The Brown]

2739?

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

2739?
sorry, too high

[Lotesse]

2734? I'm just guessing, tryna revive this thread...

[Valandil]

Yes - great thread to revive! :p

2654?

[Valandil]

We're apparently below LCOU's radar, so I'm going to invoke this thread's "Three Day Rule" so we can move it along.

Borin died in 2712 - he was great-grandfather to Oin, Gloin, Balin and Dwalin, and great-great-uncle to Thorin Oakenshield (as well as Dain Ironfoot, but by different nephews), according to the record at the end of Appendix A.

Rather than ask the next question now, I'll give someone else the opportunity. If nobody has asked by the next time I check back, I'll ask one myself. :)

[Lotesse]

O.K., fine. I'll make a question, I think Chrys is summering for a while, haven't seen him recently. I'll re-start this thread gently, by putting out an easy one.

What Eldarin language did the High elven speak in LoTR, and what language did the Grey elven speak?

[Lotesse]

Come on, you guys, it's an easy one.
High-elven spoke ?-----.
Grey-elven spoke ?-----.

[Radagast The Brown]

Ok. Quenia and Sindarin.

[Lotesse]

Radagast, spell the first one right and then you've got it.

[Valandil]

*psst - we usually give Raddy those spelling ones, since he's reading the books in a different language with a different alphabet!* :p

[Lotesse]

That makes sense - do you read your stuff mainly in Hebrew? Anyway, Radagast, you're right, so it's all yours!

[Radagast The Brown]

Yeah.. but I do have the an English LotR here somewhere. How is Quenia spelled then?

How did Helm kill Freca?

[Lotesse]

Hi, Radagast! It's spelled "Quenya" -

Helm - did he do it with his hammer? ( Helm Hammerhand...)

[Radagast The Brown]

No..

[Lotesse]

He punched him to death.

[Radagast The Brown]

Yeah. :)

[Lotesse]

Thanx, Radagast!

When Gimli and his people made new gates for Minis Tirith, what 2 substances were they made out of?

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Mithril and Iron?

[Lotesse]

Almost correct, but not exact. Mithril is correct.

[Valandil]

Mmmm... was the other one steel?

[Lotesse]

Yes, Valandil, steel - mithril and steel.

It's all yours...

[Valandil]

OK - here's one:

The Elves had six days in their week - one each in honor of: the Stars, the Sun, the Moon, the Two Trees, the Heavens and the Powers - or Valar.

In honor of what did the Numenoreans add a seventh day to their own week?

[Radagast The Brown]

The sea, I suppose.

[Valandil]

The Sea is correct - your turn! :)

[Radagast The Brown]

What misled Frodo when he listened to the Elves of Lorien speak?

[Valandil]

Toughie... that's in the appendices?? :confused:

[Radagast The Brown]

Toughie... that's in the appendices?? :confused:Yup. It is. :)

[Valandil]

What misled Frodo when he listened to the Elves of Lorien speak?

OK - did it have to do with the Elven language they used? Silvan instead of Sindarin or something?

[Radagast The Brown]

OK - did it have to do with the Elven language they used? Silvan instead of Sindarin or something?They used Sindarin... and I can't say more since it's the answer. :)

[Lotesse]

Radagast, may I ask for a teeny, tiny hint - something, anything. It's gotta have something to do with dialect, but I can't seem to be getting anywhere in my search...

[Radagast The Brown]

Well... it's not in Appendices A,B or C if it helps. And I think the answer can also be found in Unfinished Tales...

[Lotesse]

Thanx, Raddy! I shall keep on looking...

[Lotesse]

a-HA!! Found it! The accent that the east-elves in Lorien had in their speaking of Sindarin; it was the accent that misled Frodo, as well as his own "limited acquaintance" with the language.

One of the reasons I love these trivia threads so much is that it really gives one an opportunity to constantly learn more and more about the beautiful intricacies of Tolkien's stories, of which I cannot seem to get enough of.

[Radagast The Brown]

Yay.... :) took you a lot of time though. :p

[Lotesse]

O.K. then -

Who was the first ruling Queen of Numenor?

[Valandil]

Tar-Ancalime! :)

[Lotesse]

Of course you got it right, Valandil! :cool:
It's all yours...

[Valandil]

Who took the name "Hyarmendacil" (which means 'south victor')?

[rohirrim TR]

ciryahar?

[Valandil]

"Ciryaher" in my book - but I'll give ya that one. ;)

[rohirrim TR]

Thanks valandil :)
what is the plural for dwarf?

[Lotesse]

Dwarves. :)

[rohirrim TR]

no thats not it keep lookin :)

[Lotesse]

Then what exactly do you mean - 'more than one dwarf', or what? Do you need the answer in a different language? :confused: I'm a little confused here...

[Valandil]

Dwarfs?

[rohirrim TR]

tolkien has an irregular form for dwarf an example of this is goose and geese

[Radagast The Brown]

Dwarrows..?

[rohirrim TR]

You have it :D
radagast the brown your turn :)

[Radagast The Brown]

Who was born the year Thror was slain?

[rohirrim TR]

gerontius known as the old took

[Radagast The Brown]

Yup.

[rohirrim TR]

what year was anarion slain?

[rohirrim TR]

I edited the question so ya'll should be able to answer now :D

[Valandil]

what year was anarion slain?

Was it 3440 Second Age?

[rohirrim TR]

thats it :D

[Valandil]

OK - I THOUGHT it was the year before the war ended.

Say - the one you changed... was it one about a forest? You should have left it up. I meant to get back on and make a guess (don't know my Elvish) but I forgot. :o :p

[Valandil]

Alright:

Who overthrew the Captain of the Haven of Umbar in battle on the quays?

[rohirrim TR]

ar-pharazon?

[Valandil]

Nope :)

[rohirrim TR]

earnil?

[Valandil]

no...

but you're getting warmer. :)

[rohirrim TR]

eldacar?

[Valandil]

colder (chronologically speaking) :)

[Radagast The Brown]

Aragorn?

[Valandil]

Aragorn?

I'll accept that answer, although we're never told it straight out... it having been done in what we take to be his guise of 'Thorongil' as the records have it.

Your turn! :)

[Radagast The Brown]

How many sons and daughters did Gorbadoc Brandybuck have?

[rohirrim TR]

seven

[Radagast The Brown]

Yeah.