*Appendix Trivia*

[Keith K]

What is the supposed source for the section on Durin's Folk?

editors note: Have a nice holiday Valandil. Why not post a guess for the "heart of one thousand faces" riddle before you go?

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Keith K
What is the supposed source for the section on Durin's Folk?

Oh! I know this one, but I don't wanna answer!!! :eek: :p

[Diamond of Long Cleeve]

I have no idea. But just for fun I will guess the Book of Mazarbul. :)

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Diamond of Long Cleeve
I have no idea. But just for fun I will guess the Book of Mazarbul. :)

I think that's the book that Balin had in Moria...

As for Keith's question, I know that there was much said of the Dwarves through both the Eldar and the Dwarves themselves, but I think a large portion of it comes from the Red Book...?

[Keith K]

Perhaps much of the original source material found its way into the Red Book, but that is another discussion. The appendix specifically lists the source and it is not the Red Book or the Mazarbul book.

[Earniel]

Gimli?

[Keith K]

Gimli is right! It is stated in the very first opening paragraph of the appendices. Nicely done Earniel!

[Earniel]

Thanks. Wait, is it my turn now to ask a question? If so, I'll have to pass up this occasion, I don't have my books here. Anyone else can have a go.

[Keith K]

I'll volunteer a question:

Where did Thrain II die?

[brownjenkins]

in the dungeons of Dol Guldur

[Dúnedain]

hehe, Keith I think I just asked that question last week :p

[Keith K]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
hehe, Keith I think I just asked that question last week :p
OOPS! :o
brownjenkins is correct (as Dunedain is well aware). :D

[brownjenkins]

i'm going to try a general series trivia question, since i don't have any good appendix ones in mind (or the book in front of me), and don't like to hold things up for too long

over the course of LoTR who has ridden on a horse with gandalf?

[Diamond of Long Cleeve]

Cute question. Do you mean on the same horse? Pippin did, notably. Were there others?

[Cirdan]

Merry also... before the Palantir incident. And Faramir, after being wounded, I think.

[Diamond of Long Cleeve]

Ah yes. And Gimli - from Fangorn to Meduseld.

[brownjenkins]

nice teamwork... i'd tend to give the next question to diamond, since i find gimli is usually forgotten the most (though faramir is a close second) :)

[Dúnedain]

Ummmm ok, so ask the next question...

And remember this is "Appendix Trivia"...

[Keith K]

Where did Gandalf first meet Thorin?

[Bacchus]

In Bree (presumably at the Pony, although i don't think that this is explicitly stated)

[Keith K]

Originally posted by Bacchus
In Bree
yup

[Bacchus]

What two important Hobbit families trace their lineage to Sam?

[cassiopeia]

The Gamgees and the Cottons?

[Keith K]

I think the Fairbairns were one.

[Bacchus]

Fairbarns are indeed one. Gamgee and Cotton are not what I'm looking for.

[Keith K]

I can't remember the other family. I will have to look it up. :(

[Radagast The Brown]

Gardner? (Gardnar, maybe?)

[Bacchus]

Fairbairn and Gardener are correct

[cassiopeia]

Duh, I knew that. Misread the question. :o

[Keith K]

Originally posted by Bacchus
Fairbairn and Gardener are correct
Ask us a Q, Radagast! :)

[Radagast The Brown]

k, here it goes - What is the name of Azog's son?

[Valandil]

Bolg

[Radagast The Brown]

Correct.

[Imric]

Edit-I see that someone else has posted the answer before me.

[Valandil]

Imric - why don't you go ahead. It's always nice to get more people in on our game... and besides, I also just won the 'right / duty' to ask a question in another thread.:)

[Valandil]

Well, Imric didn't take me up on the offer, so:

When the Numenoreans borrowed the "week" from the Elves, what two changes did they make to it?

(HINT: one was very significant, one was minor)

[Imric]

Originally posted by Valandil
Imric - why don't you go ahead. It's always nice to get more people in on our game... and besides, I also just won the 'right / duty' to ask a question in another thread.:)

I'm sorry but I couldn't think of a good puzzler to ask.

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Imric
I'm sorry but I couldn't think of a good puzzler to ask.

No prob - you'll get the hang of it. Maybe review this or other 'trivia' threads to see what kinds of questions are asked. And while we MOSTLY try to answer without looking things up (it's more OK to look-up in THIS trivia thread, because most answers are not the kinds of things you just remember), however, you just about HAVE to peruse a book to ask a question - to make sure you get it right for one thing.

Good to have you around! :)

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Valandil
Well, Imric didn't take me up on the offer, so:

When the Numenoreans borrowed the "week" from the Elves, what two changes did they make to it?

(HINT: one was very significant, one was minor)

First change was making a week 7 days as opposed to 6 days.

The other change was that the days were marked from Sunrise to Sunrise and out of the East, as opposed to Sunset to Sunset out of the West...

Right? :D

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
First change was making a week 7 days as opposed to 6 days.

The other change was that the days were marked from Sunrise to Sunrise and out of the East, as opposed to Sunset to Sunset out of the West...

Right? :D

Actually you ARE right, but:

Do you remember what the seventh day was named for?

Also, I was thinking of another minor one - it has to do with tweaking on the meaning of one day... remember it?

I wasn't thinking of the sunrise/sunset thing - very good!:)

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Valandil
Actually you ARE right, but:

Do you remember what the seventh day was named for?

Also, I was thinking of another minor one - it has to do with tweaking on the meaning of one day... remember it?

I wasn't thinking of the sunrise/sunset thing - very good!:)

7th day was named in honor of the Sea, or a "Sea-Day". They also altered the 4th day to refer to the White Tree...

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
7th day was named in honor of the Sea, or a "Sea-Day". They also altered the 4th day to refer to the White Tree...

Yes, now FULLY correct... sorry to 'put you through your paces' so to speak! :D

Because the Numenoreans were great mariners, they inserted the "Sea Day" (I guess it's actually the 6th in their order - or Thursday - but was between the Elves' 5th & 6th).

Their Tuesday or "Tree's Day" referred to the One White Tree (of Numenor) rather than the Two Trees of Valinor - as the Elves' Tuesday did.

Now you may go... :cool:

[Dúnedain]

Where were the Three Rings of the Elven-smiths made?

[Bacchus]

Eregion/Hollin

[Dúnedain]

Correctamundo :D

[Bacchus]

[Shamelessly stolen from RobRoy at Sf-Fandom]

Okey dokey, try this. Who was Gimli's great-great-grandfather?

[Valandil]

Nain?

(that was a total guess without checking the charts... I remember he's in an offshoot of the line of heirs, so I figure gr-gr-gramps was probably a king, and those dwarves just repeated the same names so much!!! :D )

[Bacchus]

Nope

[Radagast The Brown]

Borin? (Ok, I checked... :p)

[Bacchus]

Yep, Gimli son of Gloin son of Groin son of Farin son or Borin.

Yer up (And I checked too, RobRoy seems to have stumped the panel over at SF-Fandom. Our rules require two days to pass before looking something up, so it hasn't been answered yet)

[Radagast The Brown]

When was the first attack on Lorien? (in the war of the ring in the third age, that is)

[Bacchus]

Hmmm. The Pellennor occurred march 15. The army of Morgul set out on about the 11th, IIRC. I'm gonna guess March 13 for the first battle of Lorien.

[Radagast The Brown]

Nope. But you're close. :)

[Valandil]

Was that also the 15tth??? I recall it having been a rather busy day...

[Bacchus]

Well, of course I'm close :p
The problem is moving from 'close' to 'right'

[Radagast The Brown]

Not the 15th Valandil.
Originally posted by Bacchus
Well, of course I'm close :p
The problem is moving from 'close' to 'right' lol:p

[Valandil]

Well, I'd better keep guessing now & then - or just look it up:

How's about March 14th?

[Radagast The Brown]

Nope.

[Valandil]

March 17th? Saint Paddy's Day???

Uh... if not, am I gettin' warmer or colder?:)

[Radagast The Brown]

No, and you're getting colder, unfortunately. :p

[Valandil]

March 12? And maybe I should just leave the guessing to someone else...:p

[Radagast The Brown]

No, you are inncorrect again...

[Valandil]

OK - I finally peaked... March 11. That would have been my next logical guess anyway, since we had guessed March 12, 13, 14, 15 and 17 - and you told me I was getting 'colder' with 17!:p

[Radagast The Brown]

Correct! (at last...) :p

[Valandil]

If an elf is exactly 45 1/2 yen in age, how old is he/she in our years (elf 'loa')?

Extra Credit: How many 'dog years' is that equal to?:D

[Radagast The Brown]

After cecking the appendixes... :rolleyes:

yen=144

so it would be 6552 year old elf.

45864 dog years. :p(first time I use the coputer calculator)

[Valandil]

Correct RtB... AND, you got the Extra Credit too!!:D

Your post...

[Radagast The Brown]

How many children did Sam has?

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Radagast The Brown
How many children did Sam has?

Oh, LOTS!!! Was it 10?

[Radagast The Brown]

No.

[Valandil]

Twelve?

[Radagast The Brown]

No.

[Kirinki54]

I think it was 13.

[Bacchus]

Originally posted by Kirinki54
I think it was 13.
i'm pretty sure you're right

[Kirinki54]

Yes. I always claim that Sam became especially proliferous because of close encounter with Galadriel´s "fertilizer".

Next issue:
What king of Arthedain travelled on a sled?

[Valandil]

We know Arvedui did... at least once!

[Kirinki54]

Correct. I wonder if he also tried ice-skating? :D

[Valandil]

They probably had time to learn ALL those winter sports!:)

OK... What were the Barrowdowns called, of old?

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Valandil
They probably had time to learn ALL those winter sports!:)

OK... What were the Barrowdowns called, of old?

Tyrn Gorthad?

[Valandil]

Tyrn Gorthad is correct! You're up to bat, Dunedain.:)

[Dúnedain]

When Aragorn first saw Arwen, what were his first words to her?

[The Gaffer]

Tinuviel?

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by The Gaffer
Tinuviel?

Yup!

"For a moment Aragorn gazed in silence, but fearing that she would pass away and never be seen again, he called to her crying, Tinúviel, Tinúviel! even as Beren had done in the Elder Days long ago."

:D

[Valandil]

Hey gang,

Not to seem too impatient (or 'hasty'!), but should we have maybe a 3-day (full 72 hours) limit to get a question posted once someone has gotten a green light? Then after that, it's an all-comers game for the next post?

I understand it's easy to forget (Edit: I've done it myself!) where you've given an answer - so there's no bad feelings associated. Just wonder if that'll be a nice way to keep the thread moving. I also suggest that after 2 days, someone do a 'courtesy PM' to the one with the right to post, if that's possible. I'll PM The Gaffer right now...

Maybe this would help in the other trivia threads as well?

- Val

[Radagast The Brown]

Originally posted by Valandil
Hey gang,

Not to seem too impatient (or 'hasty'!), but should we have maybe a 3-day (full 72 hours) limit to get a question posted once someone has gotten a green light? Then after that, it's an all-comers game for the next post?

I understand it's easy to forget (Edit: I've done it myself!) where you've given an answer - so there's no bad feelings associated. Just wonder if that'll be a nice way to keep the thread moving. I also suggest that after 2 days, someone do a 'courtesy PM' to the one with the right to post, if that's possible. I'll PM The Gaffer right now...

Maybe this would help in the other trivia threads as well?

- Val I agree.

[The Gaffer]

Sorry for the delay, folks; been too busy of late to get on the moot.

I agree too; maybe in those cases it should revert to the last person to ask the next one.

What was Rohan called before the Rohirrim settled there?

[Valandil]

That would be 'Calenardhon' - eh?

[The Gaffer]

Nicely done. Was that too easy??

Your go, V.

[Valandil]

I wouldn't say 'too easy' - some things some of us will know, other things others will know... still others, just about anyone would have to look up!:)

OK - my question: Once the hobbits of the Shire gave up looking for the return of a king, of what would they use the expression, "When the King comes back."?

[Bacchus]

Are you asking what they meant when using the expression? If so, the answer is "never".

[Valandil]

Sorry... that WAS an expression in use in the Shire.

[Keith K]

Wasn't it used for questions that had no real answer? It became an "old saying" in the culture. They weren't really looking for the king to actually come back!

[Valandil]

You're definitely on the right track... can you get any closer? :)

[brownjenkins]

was it something they said when they didn't want to do something?

like wimpy's "i'll gladly pay you next tuesday"

[cassiopeia]

It's used when there's some good that could not be achieved, or of some evil that could not be amended.

Yes, I sneaked a look in the book. :o

[Valandil]

Originally posted by cassiopeia
Yes, I sneaked a look in the book. :o

Well Cass... sometimes that's what it takes on THIS thread!:D Your go...

Oh - and brownjenkins... there's something in PoME kind of like what you're saying... I think it was "Friday the First of the Month" since there's no hobbit month that has the 1st fall on a Friday. I mentioned it real early in this thread. I believe JRRT says that the full quote was "Friday the First of Summerfilth" (a non-existent month).

[cassiopeia]

Originally posted by Valandil
Well Cass... sometimes that's what it takes on THIS thread!:D Your go...


I know -- I don't even think I've read all of the appendices yet. :eek:

Anyway: who's birthday was April 6th said to be?

[Valandil]

Was that Sam's b-day???

[cassiopeia]

That's correct!

[Valandil]

Name the first three kings of Arthedain.

[Dúnedain]

Amlaith, Beleg and Mallor

Thank you, I win! :D

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
Amlaith, Beleg and Mallor

Thank you, I win! :D

Then by all means, ask away...:)

[Dúnedain]

What is the meaning of the 'Atani' or 'Edain'? (literal meaning, it is stated specifically it's true meaning) :D

[Valandil]

'Manly men':D

j/k... is it 'kings of men'?

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Valandil
is it 'kings of men'?

Close, you have the second half of it correct :D

P.S. We're men in tiiiiiiiiiights!

[macmico]

does it mean "the second people"

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by macmico
does it mean "the second people"

nope, look to Val's answer he had it half right...

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
Close, you have the second half of it correct :D

P.S. We're men in tiiiiiiiiiights!

Not "The Merry Men"... is it??:)

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Valandil
Not "The Merry Men"... is it??:)

lol no :p

[Earniel]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
P.S. We're men in tiiiiiiiiiights!

*entertains herself with mental images of Dúnedain in tights*

Well there's an interesting image. :D

Just be careful BoP doesn't swipe them aswell. :p

Ahum... as for the question: the Fathers of Men perhaps?

[Jonathan]

Is it the Noblest of Men?

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Eärniel
*entertains herself with mental images of Dúnedain in tights*

Well there's an interesting image. :D

Just be careful BoP doesn't swipe them aswell. :p

Ahum... as for the question: the Fathers of Men perhaps?

Yup you are correct :D

BoP is tricksey!

[Earniel]

You better hang on on those tights mister. :D

From which house are the Stewards of Gondor descended?

[Valandil]

Lessee... is it 'House of Mardil'? I know he was a chief steward early on - but forget if the house was named for him or someone earlier.

[Earniel]

Nope, not the name I was looking for.

[macmico]

is it the house of hurin?

[Earniel]

Indeed it is, macmico. Your turn. :)

[macmico]

who was the 19th stewart of gondor

[Valandil]

Ecthellion?

[Radagast The Brown]

Beren. (after checking obviously... I didn't even know Gondor had a 'Beren' steward)

Echtellion was the 17th.

[macmico]

your go rad. happy i could get you checking
:D :D

[Radagast The Brown]

Who is the only female dwarf that her name is mentioned in "these histories"?

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Radagast The Brown
Who is the only female dwarf that her name is mentioned in "these histories"?

Oh - it's Thorin's sister... is her name 'Dis'?

[Radagast The Brown]

Yes! :) your turn, king of Arnor!

[Valandil]

OK - this isn't found in any single part of the appendices, but can be put together from different passages:

How many 'white trees' do we know of, that are associated with the Numenoreans? (either in Numenor or on Middle Earth)

And... so this doesn't become just a number-guessing game, tell me a thing or two about each tree. In every case, we are told at least two of the following: where it was planted, who planted it, when it was planted, what the end of it was...

[Radagast The Brown]

Three?

The white tree of Numenore - Nimloth. Brought as a gift fromm the Eldar of Tol Eresea to Numenmore. (from Galthalion sp.)

the white tree in Minas Ithil (of Gondor) - was taken from Nimloth by Isildor and planted in Minas Ithil.

of Minas Tirith - was taken from the white tree in Minas Ithil, brought to Minas Tirith by Isildor.

[Valandil]

Good try, but not correct... that's not all of them!:)

[Dúnedain]

He's close, but I think he is forgetting the sapling that Aragorn found on Mt. Mindolluin. It was the sapling of the line of Nimloth, a seedling of Galathilion and a fruit of Telperion. I'm not sure who planted it, but I think it was Isildur who did...

[Valandil]

That sapling Aragorn found and planted was another one I wanted... but that's not all. Still more!:)

[Dúnedain]

What about the White Tree called Celeborn. That one hasn't been mentioned. That is the tree of Tol Eressëa. It came from Galathilion, which stood in Tirion. Celeborn's descendant was Nimloth, which stood in Armenelos. A fruit of Nimloth was taken by Isildur and planted in Minas Ithil and later in Minas Tirith. A fruit was planted also in Mt. Mindolluin, which was later the sapling that Aragorn found...

Btw, Telperion was destroyed in Valinor, but an image of it was made which was Galathilion. One of Telperion's flowers lived and the Valar set it up, which became the Moon...

[Valandil]

I'm not sure of names... are all those given in the appendices? If Celeborn in in Tol Eressea, that's not a tree of the Numenoreans. Galathilion and Telperion were those names of earlier trees. I'm not certain if any of the Numenoreans' trees is given a name (that we are told, anyway), beyond Nimloth...

And I don't think we know who planted the fruit which became the sapling on Mount Mindolluin - I was refering to Aragorn planting that seedling in Minas Tirith (as it was also seedlings which Isildur planted).

Anyway - we still don't have them all.:)

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Valandil
I'm not sure of names... are all those given in the appendices? If Celeborn in in Tol Eressea, that's not a tree of the Numenoreans. Galathilion and Telperion were those names of earlier trees. I'm not certain if any of the Numenoreans' trees is given a name (that we are told, anyway), beyond Nimloth...

And I don't think we know who planted the fruit which became the sapling on Mount Mindolluin - I was refering to Aragorn planting that seedling in Minas Tirith (as it was also seedlings which Isildur planted).

Anyway - we still don't have them all.:)

This info that I listed isn't from the Appendix :p

"Celeborn
The White Tree of Tol Eressëa

The White Tree that grew in the central regions of Tol Eressëa. It grew from a seedling of Galathilion, the White Tree that grew in Tirion, and from it came Nimloth, the White Tree of Númenor."

Here is more info:

"White Tree of Númenor
Nimloth, the White Tree that grew in Armenelos

In the early days of Númenor, its people still had the friendship of the Elves of Eressëa. Among the gifts the Eldar gave to the early Númenóreans, one of the greatest was a white seedling of the tree Celeborn that stood in the middle of their island. Planted in the King's Court in Armenelos, the seedling grew into a fine White Tree that came to be known as Nimloth. Its blossoms appeared as the Sun set, and their perfume filled the night in Númenor's royal city.

The tree of Tol Eressëa, Celeborn, was itself descended from Galathilion, the White Tree that stood in Tirion that was made by Yavanna herself. Its descendant Nimloth stood in the courts of Armenelos for thousands of years, but when Sauron gained control of Númenor's government, he saw the White Tree as a link to his enemies the Valar, and ordered it destroyed. So the White Tree of Nûmenor was cut down and burned on the altar-fire of Sauron's temple.

The line of Galathilion did not end in Sauron's flames. Isildur the son of Elendil had stolen a fruit from the Tree before it was lost. The fruit grew into a seedling that Isildur carried to Middle-earth with him after the Downfall of Númenor. That seedling was planted in Minas Ithil, and was destroyed before the end of the Second Age. Its seedling in turn grew into the first of the White Trees of Minas Tirith, a line that was to outlast Sauron himself."



I don't know what you are looking for, but there aren't any more trees that I can find anywhere. These are the only 4 that are ever listed by name plus the sapling that I can find...

[Valandil]

OK - I'll give you a teeny hint... there's only one more!:D

[Radagast The Brown]

Are you sure? :confused:

[Valandil]

Yes... and since it's been a couple days, I'll give you one more hint:

The dead tree in the courtyard when Gandalf and Pippin arrive in Minas Tirith is not the same tree planted in Minas Anor by Isildur, 3017 years earlier. Can you find under what circumstances one tree replaced the other? That will solve the last piece of this puzzle.:)

[Radagast The Brown]

Isn't it?

Huh! found it... "When King Telemnar the White Trees of Minas Anor also withered and died. But Tarondor, his nephew, who succeeded im, replanted a seedling in the citadel..."

[Valandil]

Correct Radagast the Brown! So, to summarize, there were five:

1 - Nimloth, the White Tree of Numenor, planted at Armenelos (sp?) and ultimately cut down and burned in his temply by Sauron (some of these details are in 'Akallabeth') - but not before Isildur stole a fruit for...
2 - A seedling of Nimloth planted by Isildur at Minas Ithil - late in the Second Age, after establishment of Gondor - this one was also destroyed by Sauron.
3 - A seedling of the tree of Minas Ithil, planted at Minas Anor in Year 2 of the Third Age, by Isildur in memory of his brother, Anarion. This tree died in the year of the Great Plague (1636 - did that plague even affect TREES? Or only White Trees??) when King Telemnar and his children died.
4 - A seedling planted in Minas Anor by the next king, Tarondor, nephew of Telemnar, in 1640 - this tree died in 2852 (in App B - it was 2882 in App A), when the 21st Ruling Steward, Belecthor II died. No seedling could be found, so the dead tree was left standing.
5 - The seedling found by Aragorn, when on Mount Mindolluin with Gandalf, after the downfall of Sauron - which he subsequently planted in Minas Tirith.

Radagast... your turn!

[Radagast The Brown]

Wheeeeee.... :p had to read all the part of Gondor's kings to get to that part... :eek:

After which steward died the white tree of Minas Tirith died 'until the king returns'?

edit - new question, valandil inforewd me he already asked it, so:
WEhat is the name of the hill where the two sons of Folcwine died?

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Radagast The Brown
Wheeeeee.... :p had to read all the part of Gondor's kings to get to that part... :eek:

After which steward died the white tree of Minas Tirith died 'until the king returns'?

edit - new question, valandil inforewd me he already asked it, so:
WEhat is the name of the hill where the two sons of Folcwine died?

Well, it wasn't exactly asked before - I actually had given the answer to it in my previous post...

But here I thought MINE was a toughy... and nobody has even TRIED this one of yours!!!:) Somebody look it up! If nobody else does, I will soon.

It wasn't 'Blueberry Hill', was it?;)

[Radagast The Brown]

Originally posted by Valandil
Well, it wasn't exactly asked before - I actually had given the answer to it in my previous post...

But here I thought MINE was a toughy... and nobody has even TRIED this one of yours!!!:) Somebody look it up! If nobody else does, I will soon.Thanks.

It wasn't 'Blueberry Hill', was it?;) No. Good try though. ;)

[Cirdan]

Haudh in Gwanur

I just read this last night and thought it would make a good trivia question but I still couldn't remember how to spell it.:rolleyes:

[Radagast The Brown]

correct! :)

[Cirdan]

Who gave the keys of Orthanc to Saruman?

[Radagast The Brown]

was it Helm?

[Cirdan]

no

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Cirdan
Who gave the keys of Orthanc to Saruman?

It was probably a Steward of Gondor - didn't they still have the keys? I believe Felarof (or Frealof??) was the new king of Rohan though - he was the nephew (good ole 'sister-son') of Helm!

[Cirdan]

Originally posted by Valandil
It was probably a Steward of Gondor - didn't they still have the keys? I believe Felarof (or Frealof??) was the new king of Rohan though - he was the nephew (good ole 'sister-son') of Helm!

Getting warmer. Right about the eorlingas, too. The time is about right. Name the steward...

[Radagast The Brown]

Turgon?

[Cirdan]

nope

[Dúnedain]

Wasn't it Steward Beren?

[Radagast The Brown]

What about Ecthelion?

[Cirdan]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
Wasn't it Steward Beren?

correct

[Dúnedain]

How many times was Samwise the Mayor?

[Cirdan]

12

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Cirdan
12

nope

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
How many times was Samwise the Mayor?

Seven?

[Radagast The Brown]

Damn, I knew that... errr... 7?

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Valandil
Seven?

Yup :D

[Nurvingiel]

Arg. I actually knew that! That's the first time in ages I've known the answer and I missed my chance. Sam is my favourite character!

Valandil could ask a Sam question. *hint* *hint*

[Valandil]

OK... kind of a 'Sam question' because his oldest daughter moved there.

A new area westward was annexed into the Shire. From 'where to where' did it extend, and what was it called?:)

(for 'extra credit' - when did this annexation take place?)

[Nurvingiel]

Undertowers on the Tower Hills. Was this in 1455, or (fourth age 35)?

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Undertowers on the Tower Hills. Was this in 1455, or (fourth age 35)?

Hmmm - I think that may be either the name of their 'hole' or maybe the town... know what the district was called? Just like they started with North Farthing, South Farthing, etc plus Buckland.

PS - your year is close, but slightly off:)

[Nurvingiel]

Oh! I've got it. Great question Valandil.

It is the Westmarch, Emyn Beriad, added to the Shire in 1452. If extends from the Far Downs to the Tower Hills.

[Valandil]

Very good Nurvingiel... though the Emyn Beriad is actually the name for the Tower Hills.;)

Your go!:)

[Nurvingiel]

That was a good question. I knew I had read something leading to the answer somewhere, but I had to look it up. (As you can tell from my mistake.) :) My question may or may not be related to Samwise Gamgee.

Why is Durin called the Deathless?

[Cirdan]

...because in his linneage another Durin arises who seems to be in all ways like his namesake.

[Nurvingiel]

Yes. He'd be so like his forefather that he would be named Durin.

Your turn Cirdan. :)

[Cirdan]

Sorry for the delay.


Where was "East Lorien?"

[Valandil]

Wasn't that the southern part of Greenwood / Mirkwood / Forest of Greenleaves???

[Cirdan]

yes. Bonus points for naming the northern border feature.:)

[Valandil]

Thank you.:)

Who was King of Arthedain when King Ondoher of Gondor and his sons were killed in battle with the Wainriders, leaving Gondor without a clear heir to the throne?

[Nurvingiel]

The victorious general Eärnil (1945)?

[Valandil]

Earnil... nope!:)

[Dúnedain]

Araphant was the King of Arthedain at the time, but Arvedui made claim for the throne of Gondor :D

[Valandil]

You're CORRECT!!! I was hoping someone would say 'Arvedui' because of him claiming the throne (Hey! What's the point of a 'trick question' if you don't trick anyone!??:D ).

For those not 'in the know', Arthedui made the claim while 'crown prince' because he was married to Firiel, daughter of Ondoher... so that their son (Aranarth) was a grandson of Ondoher.

Your turn, Dunedain.:)

[Dúnedain]

Who found Thror's head and what was carved into it?

[Valandil]

Nar?

[Nurvingiel]

Nan (?) found it with "Azog" (the name of the orc who slew him) carved into it.

[Valandil]

Oops! Didn't read your question close enough, Dunedain - if I'm correct on the name, I think Nurvingiel is close enough - and she got the second part...:)

[Dúnedain]

She's close, but the first name is wrong :D Val had the name right, but I'll give it to Nurvingiel :p

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
She's close, but the first name is wrong :D Val had the name right, but I'll give it to Nurvingiel :p

That's what I was hoping for... go Nurvi!:)

[Nurvingiel]

I should have just stolen his correct name from your post! :D Thanks Valandil. I'll be home at my copy of RotK and the Appendecies in an hour, so I'll ask you a question then! (Thanks for letting me have it.)

[Nurvingiel]

What is the name is the race of trolls, in the Black Speech, that would not turn to stone in the sun?

[Dúnedain]

Olog-hai?

[matthew]

Olog-Hai sounds right.

[Nurvingiel]

Correct Dúnedain, your turn. :)

[Dúnedain]

Ok let's stay on a relatively similar topic then :D

What is the word in the Black Speech that means 'man of Gondor'? :p

[Nurvingiel]

"Tark", a debased form of "tarkil", which is a Quenya word used in Westron for one of Numenorean descent.

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
"Tark", a debased form of "tarkil", which is a Quenya word used in Westron for one of Numenorean descent.

Indeed, and that is the exact sentence from the book! lol you looked!!! I caught ya :p

Good job :D

[Nurvingiel]

I had to look. :D

How exactly are Frodo and Merry related, and through whom?

[Valandil]

Well, lessee... Frodo's mother was born a Brandybuck (was her name Primella? Or was that Bilbo's mother? :confused: ). I don't know offhand exactly how that relates to Merry... was his father one of her brothers???

I do remember that she and the mister was drownded...

"Drownded!!!???" :eek:

:D

[The Gaffer]

Well, I 'eard that Sandyman sayin as she pushed him in, and he pulled her in after 'im

[Valandil]

NO!!!??!!??!!???:eek:

:D

[Radagast The Brown]

Frodo's uncle, Rorimac, was Merry's grandfather.

[Nurvingiel]

Rorimac was the brother of Frodo's mother, Primula Brandybuck. That makes them first cousins, once removed.

And don't you go listening to Ted Sandyman!

Nice work Radagast, your turn.

[Radagast The Brown]

Thanks.

Who was the first thain ofthe Shire?

[Valandil]

one 'Bucca of the Marish'?

[Radagast The Brown]

Originally posted by Valandil
one 'Bucca of the Marish'? Yup.

[Valandil]

Whose grave do some say it was, where the Ringbearer was imprisoned at Tyrn Gorthad (Barrowdowns)?

[Radagast The Brown]

Te l;ast King of Cardolen?

[Valandil]

Not EXACTLY... but you're on the right track. Could almost give it to you, but since I just posted it, let's see if you can get right on! :)

[Radagast The Brown]

Originally posted by Valandil
Not EXACTLY... but you're on the right track. Could almost give it to you, but since I just posted it, let's see if you can get right on! :) Prince then? Or queen?

[Valandil]

Last Prince of Cardolan is correct! The kings of Cardolan would have been descendants of Earendur... and we're told that they had all died out some years before, by the time Arthedain reclaimed Cardolan and Rhudaur for that reason. Cardolan went along with that, but Rhudaur opposed it.

We don't really know who that 'last prince of Cardolan' was - but it seems clear he wasn't descended from Earendur - or their king!

Your turn Radagast! :)

[Radagast The Brown]

Yes. ok.

Nice question, btw. :)

What is the name of Aragorn's grandmother fro his mother's side? (his mother's mother, in other words)

[Valandil]

Iorwen? Iorven?

[Radagast The Brown]

Ivorwen, I think.

Your turn, Valandil. :)

[Valandil]

Yes, that's it... wanted to make sure I didn't say "Ioreth"!! :D

Next question soon... :)

[Valandil]

OK - this is a toughie, I think. It just gets an offhand reference someplace in the appendices:

Who was captain of the soldiers of the Dark Tower?

I'll start to drop some hints if it turns out to be too tough! :D

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Valandil
OK - this is a toughie, I think. It just gets an offhand reference someplace in the appendices:

Who was captain of the soldiers of the Dark Tower?

I'll start to drop some hints if it turns out to be too tough! :D

Well the Mouth of Sauron was the Lieutenant of Barad-dûr, which I would assume make him the captain as well...

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
Well the Mouth of Sauron was the Lieutenant of Barad-dûr, which I would assume make him the captain as well...

I thought someone would guess this guy... he seems a logical choice, but... nope! :)

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Valandil
I thought someone would guess this guy... he seems a logical choice, but... nope! :)

*kicks Val in the shins for being tricksey* :p

[Dúnedain]

Was it Sauron himself?

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
*kicks Val in the shins for being tricksey* :p

Ouch! Lately I'm getting more and more beat up around here! Body-slams, smacks with some old Norwegian frying pan and now kicks to the shins!

*sigh* ... well, at least I still have my pants.

*checks to make sure*

*looks around to make sure the coast is clear of the BoPper*

One clue I'll go ahead and give... this captain in question is in the regular story, LotR! Had no idea he was such an august personage though, until stumbling on it, just before posting...

(EDIT: no - not the big 'S' either. :p )

[Dúnedain]

You're not thinking of Lugbúrz are you? Cuz if so, that's the Tower itself...

It can't be Gothmog either, cuz he is the Lieutenant of Minas Morgul...

hmmm....

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
You're not thinking of Lugbúrz are you? Cuz if so, that's the Tower itself...

It can't be Gothmog either, cuz he is the Lieutenant of Minas Morgul...

hmmm....

Nope, nope, nope... :D

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Valandil
Nope, nope, nope... :D

Valandil = Black Numenorean

Only b/c of this question :p

[Dúnedain]

HA! Found it!! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY ME!!!

Grishnakh!

The inscription on the Ring was in the ancient Black Speech, while the curse of the Mordor-orc was in the more debased form used by the soldiers of the Dark Tower, of whome Grishnakh was the captain.

:D

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain

Grishnakh!


Yes! Good job! There in Appendix F under 'Orcs and the Black Speech'!

This actually puts some pieces of the story together. We know why Grishnakh was trusted by Sauron to head up the party of orcs from Mordor that take part in the capture of the hobbits - AND we can see how Grishnakh came to know (maybe - probably - still unbeknownst to Sauron) about the One Ring (prob had some knowledge - maybe detailed knowledge - of Gollum's torture).

Your turn!

(EDIT: PS, can you solve my riddles? Riddling thread in Middle Earth forum!)

(EDIT2: NOW aren't you glad I asked this question? We all got to learn something! :D )

[Dúnedain]

Question will come soon...:p

[Dúnedain]

What does Bralda-hîm mean and what does it refer to?

:p

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
What does Bralda-hîm mean and what does it refer to?

:p

I have no idea. Can you give us a clue? Is the language maybe that of Rohan? Or a hobbit term? Or Something else? :confused:

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Valandil
I have no idea. Can you give us a clue? Is the language maybe that of Rohan? Or a hobbit term? Or Something else? :confused:

Hobbit term :D And it's translation is said in a joking manner about something :p

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
Hobbit term :D And it's translation is said in a joking manner about something :p

Wow... all your posts suddenly look a lot ... shorter! And you have that new avatar... nice! But I'll have to get used to the new you! :)

hmmm... Bralda-him - is that the 'actual hobbit' for a 'mathom'? An object that has no use... and that generally makes the rounds from one birthday party to another?

[cassiopeia]

It means 'heady-ale', doesn't it? I think it refers to the Brandywine.

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by cassiopeia
It means 'heady-ale', doesn't it? I think it refers to the Brandywine.

Indeed! Good job :D

Brandywine. The hobbit-names of this river were alterations of the Elvish Baranduin (accented on the and), derived from baran 'golden brown' and duin '(large) river'...

...but by a jest that had become habitual, referring again to its colour, at this time the river was usually called Bralda-hîm 'heady ale'.

[cassiopeia]

In which year did Sam's gaffer die?

[The Gaffer]

FA 7. (1428 SR)

[cassiopeia]

You got the SR correct; the Gaffer died in 8 FO. Your go.

[Valandil]

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[The Gaffer]

Mornin'/Afternoon/Evenin' (delete according to time zone)

Er.. it seems that Master Samwise has run off with my copy of ROTK, so I can't look up the Appendices to find a suitably obscure Rohirrim genealogy reference.

So, someone else have a go. First come first served.

(Apologies)

[Cirdan]

What is the Westron word for 'gold'?

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Cirdan
What is the Westron word for 'gold'?

Wild guess: 'Edor'??

[Cirdan]

nope

[Radagast The Brown]

mata?

[Cirdan]

no. Think of a prominent Numenorean king and you should get it.

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Cirdan
no. Think of a prominent Numenorean king and you should get it.

Well, wasn't Pharazon called "The Golden King", so is it "Phar"? or "Azon"? :p

[Cirdan]

Pharaz actually, so close enough.:)

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Cirdan
Pharaz actually, so close enough.:)

I'd wondered if it was something from 'Ar-Pharazon' when you first asked... but didn't remember if he had that name from birth, or took it upon assuming kingship. Also, didn't know if 'The Golden' was just sort of a nickname or was actually reflected by his name. So I just went with what seemed like a root for 'Edoras' - the 'Golden Hall' :D

Good job Dunedain, nice question Cirdan! :)

[Dúnedain]

On what date was the Horn of the Mark first blown in the Shire?

[Valandil]

Was it November 2, 1419 (SR)?

[Twista]

sounds correct to me :)

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Valandil
Was it November 2, 1419 (SR)?

Yup, I had to look it up, because you gave the Shire Reckoning, lol. November 2, 3019 (1419 S.R.) :D

Guess I should have specified :p

[Valandil]

Who were the first two Chieftains of the Northern Dunedain?

[Dúnedain]

Too easy :D I will leave this for someone else...

[Radagast The Brown]

Can I ask what's a chieftain?

Stop laughing! :mad: I just need an explanation, because I can't really translate it... (and therefore I can't understand it)

[Valandil]

Not laughing here... :) I'm sure playing these games in another language than you speak and read the stories is tough.

A 'chieftain' is another word for leader... but let's say not a 'king' - for the purposes of this question certainly.

[Radagast The Brown]

Ah. Like Aragorn?

[Valandil]

Yes, that was his title before he became king.

[Radagast The Brown]

ok, just wanted to know. I have no idea what the answer is. The first is the son of Arvedui. Aranarth his name? I'm not sure about the second.

[Valandil]

Rad, you ARE right about the first! :)