LotR remake crew and plans

[Finrod Felagund]

Well no kidding, why don't we use the novels as a touchstone?!?!?!?

[Falagar]

Probably because he didn't have time to go through the story. ;) But to an idea that was aired earlier: how about making 6 movies instead of 3? That'll give us a chance to include everything we want.

Oh, and we must change the "Merry/Pippin-intro" they had in the movie, to the original.

[Finrod Felagund]

I agree...I think I suggested the six movies thing. That's how Tolkien oroginally had it cut up within the novel.

[hectorberlioz]

nowhere does Tolkien say that elves have only blonde long hair. I want a Legolas with black hair, and he's going to keep it in pony tail.
what do you guys think?

[Nurvingiel]

Sure Hector. But we can't have Orlando Bloom (who is dark haired) play him. :D

[Falagar]

I've already signed up for the role as Legolas, remember! :p ;)

I can colour my hair, it's dark brown (looks black in the night ;)). Always wanted black hair.
But the Elves of Lórien (with some exceptions) should have blonde (not necessarily golden) hair, I think.

[Nariel]

still here... and still willing... The Anza Borrego desert would be really great for some Mordor scenes...and Laguna's right here too, Cleveland National Forest... except half of it's burned to a crisp, we have plains and beaches and mountains and deserts.... California's the best place to shoot, I think... And NO XENARWEN!

[Nurvingiel]

FF: I think we should do it in 6 movies too.
Gaffer: The script will be the hardest thing, IMO. I hadn't envisioned actually writing a script, but rather discussing the themes we would have and the methods we would use etc. We aren't having a Xenarwen type. Everyone can relax now. ;)

[Nariel]

good. Can I be Glorfindel? Just Kidding... but seriously, folks, 6 movies is the best idea. And you know, why don't we just use the books as our script and add in where we need to because JRRT went off on a non-dialogue tangent.

[hectorberlioz]

hey nirv, start taking names of people who want positions...i've seen quite a bit of people who want to get on...
*sits back in easy chair and takes sip of hot yummy tea*:p

j/k, i take down names myself tomorrow.

and i gotta copy that crew list and stick it on this current thread so i dont have to go dig it up...

[hectorberlioz]

good. Can I be Glorfindel? Just Kidding... but seriously, folks, 6 movies is the best idea. And you know, why don't we just use the books as our script and add in where we need to because JRRT went off on a non-dialogue tangent.

yep, great idea. but we'll need to change narration into description etc...
and i dont want to have things like bombadil in. bombadil is a delicate subject. he'd look silly on screen.

[Nurvingiel]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
and i dont want to have things like bombadil in.
Is Peter Jackson your new mentor or something? :D

I don't think it's a good idea to start out the movies by taking things out because we didn't like them. Why don't we plan out other parts first, and come back to Bombadil later? We would leave a giant, gaping plot hole if we just took him out.

[Falagar]

How about keeping the Old Wood but leaving Bombadil? Just as suggestion. ;)

[Twista]

Maybe you could add Gandald or Saurumon telling one of there little flash backs, you know when they look at a book or something and speak of something of old. tom could be put in this way, just a 1 minute slot or something lol ;)

[hectorberlioz]

dont pretend that Bombadil wouldnt be tough to portray nirv.
Falagar-exactly what i was planning.


omitting is not always a bad thing, its changing and adding things that'd kill LotR(and did).

[Nurvingiel]

Ok, I see what you guys mean now. Some things only work in books. However, I'm still not okay with the complete deletion of one of Tolkien's characters, but I see that you guys don't necessarily want to do that.

Edit: I agree Tom would be difficult, but I think we can do it.

What I meant before is we could plan other parts first, and then plan the Old Forest later.

How's this for a comprimise:

At Crickhollow, Merry explains that they could go through the Old Forest, and that Brandybucks had been going there for years. (Take these lines from the book.)

Merry, Pippin, Frodo, and Sam ride into the Old Forest, leading the pack pony.

The hobbits work their way towards the Withywindle.

They approach a huge, ancient willow on foot, leading the ponies. They start to slow down and stumble, and Frodo lies down next to the stream. Sam looks worried, and the scene looks suddenly menacing. Maybe we could have the sky change to grey, or an odd camera shot of the willow.

A sun-browned hand touches Sam's shoulder, and his look of worry changes to relief.

The hobbits ride out of the old forest, and onto the green, rolling Barrow-downs.

They come to the black finger-like stone, and stop for lunch. (The Barrow-downs scene continues as per book.)

Frodo stabs the creeping hand, and sings Tom's rhyme. As he sings, Frodo has a flashback of Tom rescuing them from Old Man Willow, and resting in their house. (Scene: the hobbits eating at the table with Golberry, and a fireplace in the background.)

Tom Bombadil appears shortly after Frodo finishes the rhyme, destroying the barrow and rescuing the Hobbits.


What do you think? The scene with Tom would be brief, and not "silly".

[hectorberlioz]

*sigh* well...it could work like that...
but i was thinking that the hobbits never go to the barrows or bombadil-but that gandalf mentions bombadil at the council...

[Nurvingiel]

If they don't go to the Barrow-downs, Merry will just have a normal sword.

I think we should stay as true as humanly possible to the book. Obviously some comprimises will have to be made. If we leave the planning of Bombadil and other very difficult scenes or characters to the end, then we might find it easier.

Also, if we open that door (of changing stuff that's difficult to portray), we won't be able to close it. I understand where you're coming from with Bombadil, so that's why I suggest leaving his planning to the end. If we do have to make a more drastic change, at least we won't be tempted to do it for the other parts of the movie.

[hectorberlioz]

i suppose you're right...
Am I lucky to have you as my asst. dir or what?:D

[Nurvingiel]

Why thank you Hector. I'm lucky to have you as director. We're a team! *high five*

So do you want to leave Tom Bombadil for now? We could still use either one of our suggestions if we did that. :)

[hectorberlioz]

well for now. he should be the last thing we do.
its gonna be hard to cast him i think.

even after the theatre release, im gonna continue to perfect this lotr movie version.

*high ten*!:D

ATTENTION!: all you crew members, I'm not seeing those sigs with your crew positions in 'em! get 'em in!:mad: :)

[Lady Ravyn]

do you have an Eowyn? i'll be her!
i'm also savvy at script writing, and i like photography too- i can be in charge of close-ups! :D

[Falagar]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
ATTENTION!: all you crew members, I'm not seeing those sigs with your crew positions in 'em! get 'em in!:mad: :)
Happy now? ;)

[hectorberlioz]

yes I am:D .
btw- I want to join your club.

[Twista]

Aww, i feal left out, i take there not a single spot left? Cant i be the Cleaner or something lol? Hell ill even scrub the toliets of the Urak-Kai extras lol

[Nariel]

I would love to put up a position in my sig... but how do I know what position I am?

Also, have you guys discussed the songs yet? I would definitely at least want a little mention of the one Frodo sings in Bree. That's my fave. But in any case, if we want to stay true to the books, we'd need some songwriters to put all these words to tunes.

[Twista]

yea lol. they could have a rock concert at the top of Minas Tirith at the end lol. Get 'The Darkness' playing or something, just for the banter lol. Or maybe not....

lol

[Finrod Felagund]

Originally posted by Falagar
I've already signed up for the role as Legolas, remember! :p ;)

I can colour my hair, it's dark brown (looks black in the night ;)). Always wanted black hair.
But the Elves of Lórien (with some exceptions) should have blonde (not necessarily golden) hair, I think.

But I still have to cast you, maybe someone better will come along...

[hectorberlioz]

I'm posting the crew list here so myself and others wont have to go dig it up.
btw-there are still a couple of positions left:D

Ok, here's the crew(will update when needed)

Hectorberlioz-director

Dreran the Green-trusted advisor and steward, and tree leaf putter onner.

Earniel- costume,makeup and set supervisor.

Gwaimir Wingem-Earniel's dim witted apprentice, and co-producer.

Luthien Tinuviel-asst. director#1

Finrod Felagund-asst dir#2, casting director.

Nurvingiel-asst dir#3

kiwi52291 asst dir.#4

ayarella-Producer

katt_knome_hobbit-prop asst.

Aragorn's dimple-feet gluer onner;)

jerseydevil- script supervisor

azalea-off. script writer

Telmelion Composer.

SamNotSoWise-music supervisor, and faramir possibility

Lady Ravyn-camera angler, asst dir. of photography

thranduil-film editor, camera agle man. and asst dir. of photography.

Beor- miniatures, asst set designer

dawningoftime-audio etitor

Varda Oiolosseo-Hairdresser

Falagar-legolas, and unofficial site scout

Elvengirl-set deigner for the good guy places, and galadriel

jellyfishannah-bad guy place ste designer

Ornelire Miste-sound editor, lingiust guy...

Gaffer-Gaffer

Cassius-asst. miniature guy

b.banner-condutor possibility, and frodo

Dunadain-aragorn

Legoles-whatever position it was that she wanted, but that i forgot...

Twista-stunt coordinater

cassieopeia-casting director

BB-the guy who reminds us of what the book says. JD's assistant

,hope I didnt miss anyone;)
tell me if i did.

still need:
weapons trainer-

stunts-


I'll think up more...

[hectorberlioz]

I would love to put up a position in my sig... but how do I know what position I am?

what position do you desire?:)

[Nurvingiel]

Small detail, can I also be an extra as an elf of Lorien? And other small detail, some people aren't posting here right now. Does that matter, or should we just PM them when we need their services? :p

[Twista]

Stunt co-ordinator would be good for me!! :)

[SamNotSoWise]

Wait, you forgot me!

I can't write music, but I can direct it! Can I be music director?

And/or provide computer support?

And I have requesting playing Faramir!

I will put a sig with the position once the almighty director approves it. ;)

[hectorberlioz]

well, I've updated the crew list. but I feel I missed some requests, if i have just tell me.

[Dreran the Green]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
well your right, but i'm waiting till someone volunteers...
hey! Dreran might like this position....

Um...I realize this was a great many pages ago:p , but what position do you speak of exactly?

[hectorberlioz]

Now I've forgotten...:o

[SamNotSoWise]

Can someone tell us who are "not so wise" how to see the updated crew list?

Thanks.

[hectorberlioz]

I'm posting the crew list here so myself and others wont have to go dig it up.
btw-there are still a couple of positions left:D

Ok, here's the crew(will update when needed)

Hectorberlioz-director

Dreran the Green-trusted advisor and steward, and tree leaf putter onner.

Earniel- costume,makeup and set supervisor.

Gwaimir Wingem-Earniel's dim witted apprentice, and co-producer.

Luthien Tinuviel-asst. director#1

Finrod Felagund-asst dir#2, casting director.

Nurvingiel-asst dir#3

kiwi52291 asst dir.#4

ayarella-Producer

katt_knome_hobbit-prop asst.

Aragorn's dimple-feet gluer onner;)

jerseydevil- script supervisor

azalea-off. script writer

Telmelion Composer.

SamNotSoWise-music supervisor, and faramir possibility

thranduil-film editor, camera agle man. and asst dir. of photography.

Beor- miniatures, asst set designer

dawningoftime-audio etitor

Varda Oiolosseo-Hairdresser

Falagar-legolas, and unofficial site scout

Elvengirl-set deigner for the good guy places, and galadriel

jellyfishannah-bad guy place ste designer

Ornelire Miste-sound editor, lingiust guy...

Gaffer-Gaffer

Cassius-asst. miniature guy

b.banner-condutor possibility, and frodo

Dunadain-aragorn

Twista-stunt coordinater

cassieopeia-casting director

BB-the guy who reminds us of what the book says. JD's assistant

,hope I didnt miss anyone;)
tell me if i did.

still need:
weapons trainer-

stunts-


I'll think up more...

[SamNotSoWise]

Thank you! I'll get my baton ready!

[Finrod Felagund]

I know I've already got two crew roles but I'd like to be a part of the music. Maybe I could be a featured vocal soloist and sing in the chorus?

[SamNotSoWise]

Sure FF. What part do you sing? I'm going to need at LEAST 500 voices in the choir.

[Dreran the Green]

Later on if you still have no stuntspeople I could double for one of the hobbits as well. I'm pretty short and I don't mind getting beat up.

[hectorberlioz]

are you crazy!? no way.:D
you can be one of the doubles, but i'll get someone else to beat up.

[ryttu3k]

I could happily be a Hobbit or Hobbit body double, could do costume and prop design (I studied Textiles And Design at school, but I'm no good at sewing... I can draw them out!), or... well... since I'm doing a radio course now, I have a good voice, so maybe... I could be the narrator? (Well, if you want to go for the younger Australian female voice as opposed to the distinguished English gentleman...)

[Finrod Felagund]

Originally posted by SamNotSoWise
Sure FF. What part do you sing? I'm going to need at LEAST 500 voices in the choir.

Can sing tenor, but can do Baritone or even Bass. I'd love to do some solo work as well.

[Nurvingiel]

500 voices! Are we doing Handel's Messiah, or the equivelant? I'll be in it then, I'd love to be in the choir. I sing a nice alto, but no solos, please. :D

[Nariel]

usually in plays and productions, I end up being the "Everything Girl" meaning I get moved around as the need is there, from costumes to props to set design to choreography, lighting, camera, special effects, I've done it all. But I've requested Eowyn, if that's not already taken. Otherwise I might like a small speaking role, maybe sing in the chorus, and...
DUh DUH DUh DUUUUUUH

I'd like to be involved in the advertising/marketing area... not so much the money and numbers part, but the poster design and preview/teaser stuff...

Am I wrong in assuming that this is not going to be a strict Do-your-job-and-only-your-job thing? because I love to make suggestions and It bugs me when I do and someone blows me off because I'm just a costume maker and then someone else makes the same suggestion and it's accepted.... But that was me raving.... Let me know about my position.

So I guess I'm officially requesting the position of Advertising agent, Everything girl, and (most importantly) Official Duct Taper.

[hectorberlioz]

wow, Nariel, you are very multi-talented.
how about...

Nariel-Marketing supervisor, Lighting effects, and anything else she feels like helping with(and you'll nedd to check with Dunadain to be Eowyn).

[Katt_knome_hobbit]

I can sing in the choir. I'm a soprano, but I don't have a very good voice.

Ooh! I can be a stunt person! I could be an orc if I wasn't so damn short! 5'4" is just the wrong height.

Anyway, I'm used to getting beat up. Stunt double for hire!

[Nurvingiel]

Don't worry Nar, we're not going to be super anal about our positions. All suggestions are welcome. We're colaborators, who have some specializations.

[jellyfishannah]

I can be in the choir! I am an alto. Not a very good one, though, I'll admit.

[Nariel]

sounds good... my link is up!

[Legoles]

u forgot ME! I forgot to mention, I have a great vocal range so I can sing almost any part except for low alto. I sing solo quite often, and everybody says I have a great voice[those who've heard me at least] If you need a sample or something, I'm sure I could get it into my comp, and onto a post or somesuch.

[hectorberlioz]

I think Samnotsowise better make a list of choir members...
btw-legoles, you said i forgot you. what position did you want?

[Nurvingiel]

Originally posted by jellyfishannah
I can be in the choir! I am an alto. Not a very good one, though, I'll admit.
Don't worry, we can stand at the back together. Choirs need non-soloists like us to provide the full-bodied, beautiful sound of a large choir. :D

[Elanor's Angel]

Hi, it's me here Elanor's Angel And I am way confused. I have'nt been able to moot' in 2 days and I am clueless.I relly wanted to be Eowin (And still do!:D) and now I do'nt Know what's going on.
Help!
Just a brief summary PLEASE!
Thank You!!!
Elanor's Angel:)

[SamNotSoWise]

Per our Director's request, here's the list of choir members.

Please let me know if I missed anyone or if I put you in the wrong part.

-----------------------------

Sopranos: Katt_knome_hobbit

Mezzo-sopranos: Legoles, Nariel, ryttu3k

Altos: Nurvingiel, jellyfishannah

Contraltos:

1st tenors:

2nd tenors: Finrod Felagund

Baritones:

Basses:

-----------------------------

As you can see, we have a long way to go. Please let me know if you're interested and what part you sing!
:o (I know that's supposed to be the embarrassed icon, but it looks like it's singing to me!)

[Nariel]

Has it occured to anyone that we'll need to get permission from Tolkien Enterprises Inc. to use these names, etc? That could get pricy. How exactly were we planning an funding this thing?

Just a question from the Marketing Department. Please don't put me in charge fo the Business Department, too.

Also, I'm working on finding/designing a font that we can use as our main advertising scheme. Of course, we don't want to copy PJ so does anyone have any ideas as to the "theme" we're going by (for example, PJ used a dark, Mordory theme for most of the posters. I want something a little lighter. Not that the movie is lighter, but just so we don't look like plagiarisers.)

[b.banner]

how do we get permission to do it ?

[Lady Ravyn]

Originally posted by SamNotSoWise
Per our Director's request, here's the list of choir members.

Please let me know if I missed anyone or if I put you in the wrong part.

-----------------------------

Sopranos: Katt_knome_hobbit

Mezzo-sopranos: Legoles, Nariel, ryttu3k

Altos: Nurvingiel, jellyfishannah

Contraltos:

1st tenors:

2nd tenors: Finrod Felagund

Baritones:

Basses:

-----------------------------

As you can see, we have a long way to go. Please let me know if you're interested and what part you sing!
:o (I know that's supposed to be the embarrassed icon, but it looks like it's singing to me!)

altos: Lady Ravyn! :( lol ;)

[Nurvingiel]

Originally posted by Nariel
Has it occured to anyone that we'll need to get permission from Tolkien Enterprises Inc. to use these names, etc? That could get pricy. How exactly were we planning an funding this thing?
I'm sorry to burst anyone's bubble, and I hate posting it in this thread, but it should be cleared up that we're not really making a movie. This is mainly due to a lack of funds, lack of time by the major organizers, and a lack of us living on the same continent.

This thread is speculating about how we would go about making a Lord of the Rings movie, what would be included in the script, who would play what parts, what the music would be like etc. etc.

However, the thread is no less valid or interesting despite the fact that we're not really making a movie.

In our minds, we are. That is enough, and all we can do.

Cheers,
Nurvingiel
Asst. Director #3

[Falagar]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
I'm sorry to burst anyone's bubble, and I hate posting it in this thread, but it should be cleared up that we're not really making a movie. This is mainly due to a lack of funds, lack of time by the major organizers, and a lack of us living on the same continent.

This thread is speculating about how we would go about making a Lord of the Rings movie, what would be included in the script, who would play what parts, what the music would be like etc. etc.

However, the thread is no less valid or interesting despite the fact that we're not really making a movie.

In our minds, we are. That is enough, and all we can do.

Cheers,
Nurvingiel
Asst. Director #3
What?! :eek: ;)

A thread like this could create some interesting discussions; we'll have to decide what parts are important and what parts are not and what kinds of scenes we would add or change. This often results in people defending the passage they love the most from the books, arguing why their part should be kept (and why others' parts aren't as important as their own).

Oh, and since there's not really much for me to do, can I make up some lines/extra scenes for my character? I was thinking of adding a scene where you see Thranduil saying farewell to Legolas on the borders of Mirkwood (and perhaps a scene where Smeagol escapes from Mirkwood).

[hectorberlioz]

Nurvingiel! shame on you!:mad: :D
hey, dont anyone listent to her...:p it could develop into something serious.
just that everyone should prepare for the fact that we might not ever get it done...
i posted that in the first post. read it.

[Nurvingiel]

Sorry Hector. I really just meant that we're not immediately planning a movie. (Oh no, I'm going to get demoted to Assistant Director #1'853'916) :eek: :D

[Earniel]

Originally posted by Falagar
A thread like this could create some interesting discussions; we'll have to decide what parts are important and what parts are not and what kinds of scenes we would add or change. This often results in people defending the passage they love the most from the books, arguing why their part should be kept (and why others' parts aren't as important as their own).

Indeed :) , it's also interesting to see what and who would all be needed to film something like this, even if we're just speaking hypothetically.

Which reminds me, while we have some designers of clothing, sets and props already (those jobs readily fill up), I don't think we have got anybody who can actually make them. The practical side of designing gets forgotten often. I can draw pretty clothes but to my regret I can't even use a sewing-machine. So we'd need smiths, painters, carpenters, seamstresses, ect.. too. We can't let Nariel do it all. ;)

[hectorberlioz]

youre absolutely right! i totally forgot about all those positions....
we need...hmmm...how many smithies do you suppose we need?

we can just hire a carpenting company.
and we need.
seamstresses(dont get too stressed)

[Earniel]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
youre absolutely right! i totally forgot about all those positions....
we need...hmmm...how many smithies do you suppose we need?

we can just hire a carpenting company.
and we need.
seamstresses(dont get too stressed)

I think the number of smithies will depend on how large you want the armies to be, though I suppose we could cheat a little on those that won't actually be filmed clearly in combat in.

About the seamstresses, erm... I didn't mean it exactly that way. it's just, I could only remember the female form of that profession. :p

[hectorberlioz]

i know:D i was just making a pun:p .

well, i think i want my armies to be half the size and a bit bigger than jackson's.
how many smithies did they have to use for jackson's film?

[Lady Ravyn]

oh, darn, to find that out i'll just have to watch the dvds again. man... lol :D

[Nurvingiel]

What do you mean by half the size but a bit bigger?

Do you mean half the numbers, but each person is larger?

[Katt_knome_hobbit]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
I'm sorry to burst anyone's bubble, and I hate posting it in this thread, but it should be cleared up that we're not really making a movie. This is mainly due to a lack of funds, lack of time by the major organizers, and a lack of us living on the same continent.

This thread is speculating about how we would go about making a Lord of the Rings movie, what would be included in the script, who would play what parts, what the music would be like etc. etc.

However, the thread is no less valid or interesting despite the fact that we're not really making a movie.

In our minds, we are. That is enough, and all we can do.

Cheers,
Nurvingiel
Asst. Director #3

I suspected as much. Especially the part about not being on the same continents.

Anyway, I am a seamstress also. And I know a few people (koff koff) that make swords. Ok, I'm not a major person if you actually want things.

Well, cheers to all the wonderful people who were serious.

[hectorberlioz]

silly Nirv.:D
I meant half the size, then add a little more to half.

[Dreran the Green]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
are you crazy!? no way.:D
you can be one of the doubles, but i'll get someone else to beat up.

Ok then, whatever you think is best.

I really have to start posting more on this thread.

Btw, I am not crazy, I'm ingeniously eccentric. read the sig.:p

[Nurvingiel]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
silly Nirv.:D
I meant half the size, then add a little more to half.

So, 60-70% of the size?

[hectorberlioz]

ahem, ahem...*clears throat*...

Attention all crew members.
first off, I'd like to thank all my asst. directors for the help they've given me in sorting out this mess of a crew(not exactly sure how much they actually did:p).
Second,
I thank all the crew members who took the time to put their positions in their sigs.

now...i can spam.

Ok then, whatever you think is best. I really have to start posting more on this thread. Btw, I am not crazy, I'm ingeniously eccentric. read the sig.
Lol, ok, eccentric then.:D

and Nirv-yup, thats what I'm talking about.

[Legoles]

I'm usually a 1st soprano, bt 2nd will do.

[We're not making a movie...?]

[hectorberlioz]

tsk,tsk...didnt you read the first post?

but, it could develop into something serous;)

[Nurvingiel]

I agree. We could end up writing a serious script, for example, and I think it would be very cool. :cool:

[Nariel]

well now that we've got that mess straightened out, I agree. We could make real posters and a real script.... and stuuuuff... and thiiiiings...

Sorry. Strongbad moment.

Okay, so why can't I be seamstress? Why can't you let me do everything? I can! I can make this entire movie by myself, writing, filming, directing, playing all the parts. I can!

Just kidding guys. I really can't..

So then, what about a theme.... that's still a valid question. I need a theme for the poster ideas... but not as "dark" as PJs...

[Elanor's Angel]

I know this is totally off subject, and will probably be editid out ,but man i love this site!!!!!
:D ;) :D

FRODO LIVES!!!:D :D :D

[hectorberlioz]

and I also love that exclamation.

VIVE FRODO!

[Nerdanel]

You spammers!!:eek:
:p :D

How's it going? Do we have all the actors?

[Elanor's Angel]

Thank You Nerdanel!
;)

FRODO LIVES!!!:D :D :D

[Lalaith_Elf]

Any more jobs going????:D

[hectorberlioz]

we still need a female waltzer, experienced.;)

[Nurvingiel]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
we still need a female waltzer, experienced.;)
What part is that for?

[Lalaith_Elf]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
we still need a female waltzer, experienced.;)

Taught by the very best;) :D

What part is that for?

Inside joke....:p

[azalea]

Now that I'm reading it again for the project, I can actually do a screenplay of sorts. I could do a "real" one, but since this isn't really going anywhere, I'm not going to invest that kind of time and energy. However, I will be posting an abbreviated one, in increments, as I read the chapters. This is how I might have done it if I were making it. I am including what I think is necessary, without regard for length. Our budget is, of course, limitless, so we could do it in as many parts as we wanted. This is our fantasy LotR film. I will post the beginning later today or tomorrow.

Before I do, I would ask that everyone refrain from arguing about it. Let's not get into "No, not like that, let's do it this way, etc." If we start doing that, it would never get done, because everyone has a differing opinion. I called head script writer, so I get to do it my way.:p You can always write your own and submit it to Hector via PM. ;)
I'm going to start a new thread to post it in. If you want to mention how you'd do something, use this thread. This is the thread for pitching ideas, the other is the thread just for the official script. I think that'll just make it easier. If it becomes a problem (that is, using this thread for the comments), we can revisit it at a later date.

[hectorberlioz]

I want to emphasize Gandalf alot more than done in the PJ films.
I felt that gandalf was just a "tool" in the pj films, as opposed to a main character.

[azalea]

I'm so sorry about this.:( I ended up getting very busy, and can't post it now until things calm down. I have it, though, and as soon as I can I'll type it in and get it up here.

[jellyfishannah]

Originally posted by Nariel

So then, what about a theme.... that's still a valid question. I need a theme for the poster ideas... but not as "dark" as PJs...

Posters? hmm... One thing (i don't know if it bothered anyone else) that bothered me about that PJ posters was that some of them seemed so crowded!

[ayarella]

hey berlioz,
don't forget about me! I know I have been gone a long time but am back and I have quite a knack for the waltz. :)

[hectorberlioz]

very long time indeed, and I havent forgotten about you;)
now if you'll just step into th GM forum...:D :D

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

umm, i don't know if you have decided on all the locations yet,
but i have the perfect area for the north of eriador,
i:e amon sul, the road from bree-rivendell, the ettenmoors,
that sort of area

it is the Quantock Hills, in West somerset/Sedgmoor,
which is in Somerset, UK
and where my village is, a beautiful area, and perfect for eriador

[Elanor's Angel]

I don't mean to be rude but it seems to me that nobody is going anywhare with this movie!:confused: :( :( :confused: Whare are we going to film this thing? When? And who will be which character? (I would just LOVE being Eowyn, or maby Galadreal or Arwen:D )I do not know what people are thinking in terms of $, but I think if we want to film this during this age we shoud probably start some fundraisers and stuff! Thanks! Bye!


Frodo Lives! :D :D :D

[Elanor's Angel]

IGNORE MY LAST POST! I am sorry I was having a moment never mind!


I just read thro all of this thread and I strongly advise evryone elce to do so. Also I am having a hard time finding the casting list, first it was on pg4 then pg14 and now I cant find it. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let me be Eowyn! Thank You! (Evrybody, love the posts, keep it up!
E. Angel
Frodo Lives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D ;) :D :) :D :D

[hectorberlioz]

hmm...well, the cast list was in the "LotR casting thread" started by Finrod Felagund:)

[hectorberlioz]

Everyone give Azalea an big applaude for her LotR screenplay that has been progressing!!!
:)

[azalea]

Thanks!:) It is actually fun to do, but you have to have time to type it all in. I have a few more pages done, which I'll post this weekend, I hope.

[Earniel]

:eek: Is this the part where I kick my design team into action because we haven't produced one concept drawing at all?

Anyway, congrats Azalea! :) I don't think I could do it.

[Elanor's Angel]

Hello?
Has evryone forgotten that we all are trying 2 make a movie? :(
Don't desert this thread!:D Post!:)

[Legoles]

Hello everybody, I have returned *sings Memories from cats*
Srry ^^
I know almost everybody hates Griselda. And the song Memories.
He he
Well, if this is still going strong [which I hope it is...] I'm still in

[Manveru]

hey ill be an assistant director, a script writing assistant, and play eomer

[Elanor's Angel]

Rock on!

(Is anyone still doing this though?) :confused:

[Manveru]

i dont think so, but i just noticed it

[Nurvingiel]

Well *cough* we kinda stopped doing it, becuase we don't actually have the resources to make a movie. So interest in doing it petered out after a while. But it's a very cool thread. :cool:

[Manveru]

true

[Elanor's Angel]

Ok! Once I get a job, and we all get up off our darrieares (sp) I donate one amarican dollar to the Lotr movie fund! Who's with me!!! :D

[Manveru]

i'll donate 2 canadian dollars :p

[Elanor's Angel]

I'v still donated more!!! (jk!)

[ethuiliel]

Hey, I wanna help!!! However I can... Is Eowyn's role taken yet?

Another idea... my study hall teacher (who is also a major LotR fan) and I were discussing what we'd do if we somehow got enough money to make a LotR movie, and he said we should make a TV series instead, because otherwise we could never fit in everything that we want... because of course we can't leave anything out, can we? ;)

[Elanor's Angel]

(I was kinda hopeing to be Eowyn) A seiries sounds great! But we are all kinda on different continents, so I don't think acting in a sieries would work out. :(

[Nurvingiel]

I like the idea of a series, I think we batted that one around a few pages back. It would work - we could film all the episodes at once, as you would film a movie. Probably the best way. :)

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Do you need anymore writhers?

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

you could split the series into the six different books, and have each one averaging out at about 2-3 hours each, and thus would ipso facto be able to include everything, all in about 12-18 hours film overall

[Manveru]

I like the idea of a series, I think we batted that one around a few pages back. It would work - we could film all the episodes at once, as you would film a movie. Probably the best way. :)

a way for us to actually do it would be to get everyone to take a chapter or so and film that with their friends or whatever and then we put it all together

[Elanor's Angel]

Now I like the sound of that! :D Let's do this!! I'm boosting my donation to $1.50. (More when I get onler and get a job) :D

[Embladyne]

I know I'm coming late into this conversation, but, I would like to help with the orchestration of the music being composed. With the amount of music one (not to mention six) feature length film takes, it's really helpful to have someone help the composer put their piles of ideas into a more organized form. I compose, I love it, and know the struggles. It's nice to have someone pick up where you're too lazy, or are feeling stuck. :D
Also, I'm really good at sewing, and drafting patterns. You show me a picture of clothing, and I can tell you exactly how to make it.
I just would love to be involved in some way.
Oh, I play viola, too.

[Nurvingiel]

a way for us to actually do it would be to get everyone to take a chapter or so and film that with their friends or whatever and then we put it all together
This is a very good idea. Write out the script to each chapter? Brilliant! But I think I'll wait until after the LotR Discussion project. *looks around guitily* Ummm.... I'll be in the book forum.

Hey Em, I'm sure Hectorberlioz would love a hand with the orchestration from a fellow composer. Oh wait... he's the director. We did have someone for composer, but I'm sure we could have two. Somewhere near the beginning of the thread is a list of everyone's roles.

[Elanor's Angel]

YES! YES! YES!!!! We all might actually do this! I am so glad! I was affraid evryone had dropped the idea! :D

[Lenya]

Yeh!! :D Someone has decided to remake the movies. Give some honour to Tolkien's works and all of that. I'll help, if you haven't allready started without me. Don't have any previous movie experience, but I have an excelent eye for seeing what works and what DON'T work in a movie :) And I'll help act if there is still an open female role.

[hectorberlioz]

This is going to take years to even develop, but if we're really all sincere and if we start contacting eachother for real and talking about it, this could seriously come to be something more concrete. Azalea is/was working on a wonderful synopsis.

Embladyne, we need as many musicians as we can get to work on the music for this.

I think we've got enough Eowyns to fill a mansion. What I really need are three or four lovely secretaries;)

[Tree Dweller]

Well, I can offer some directing skills here, I am wonderful at organization and juggling various projects!

But I am not too proud to be a secretary. ;)

[Lotesse]

I'll help! I'll be a producer! O.K., maybe that's a little over-ambitious right now, but by the time such a project actually started seeing light, I'd be able to help produce. Oh, and I'd love a cameo as a black rider.

[hectorberlioz]

Well organizers are just what I need, really. I've got so many "stars" (if you check back on either page eight, or one you'll find a list of cast and crew), but not many people volunteer for the smaller (smaller as in, not as famous:p) stuff.

Actually, I might need a Producer Lotesse...it's possible to have more than one eh? One of my sister's volunteered for the position, but she's so busy in college...;). Let me check the list to make sure I don't have too many:p

But I am not too proud to be a secretary. ;)
As in, you'll be my secretary? :evil:

[Lotesse]

Actually, I might need a Producer Lotesse...it's possible to have more than one eh?

Indeed! There's no real limit as to how many producers can share the burden of putting up a film project. If they work well together, and vibe together, and all have valuable connexions and a chunk 'o cash to invest, then - the more the merrier.

[hectorberlioz]

That is incredibly true...alright, you're on t'crew:) (I'll add names to the list next time, it's almost time to go and I dont want to work:p)

[hectorberlioz]

wow! this is the second most replied to thread in the LotR movies forum! :)

[rohirrim TR]

hey dude i'll be a rohirrim and do horse stunts and stuff, that is if i can talk my horse in to it :D

[hectorberlioz]

hey dude i'll be a rohirrim and do horse stunts and stuff, that is if i can talk my horse in to it :D
Well, yes:). And your horse won't be the only one:p, so I hope you're a professional!:p;)

[Butterbeer]

well, i am generally either a producer, exec producer or production manager ... but since i am not likely to be investing just at this momment and can't be director (would love to direct a real remake ... 15 hours at the least! ;) - good idea) ... perhaps i could offer my services as a second, third or fourth unit director? ... or in production management .. i can get you plenty of very experienced UK broadcast and film crew ... and no one gets on the old blower and sorts out messes and sources kit and crew, catering and sparkies for a good price better than me! (well there's bound to be someone ... but you get the idea!).

Perhaps the most important call you need to make Hector, judging by the first trilogy shot though ... would be a really first rate and well tolkien read afficionado to do the screen play!

Exec producer would be the most fun though! :D

best BB

p.s you shooting it film or HD?

[hectorberlioz]

well, i am generally either a producer, exec producer or production manager ... but since i am not likely to be investing just at this momment and can't be director (would love to direct a real remake ... 15 hours at the least! ;) - good idea) ... perhaps i could offer my services as a second, third or fourth unit director? ... or in production management .. i can get you plenty of very experienced UK broadcast and film crew ... and no one gets on the old blower and sorts out messes and sources kit and crew, catering and sparkies for a good price better than me! (well there's bound to be someone ... but you get the idea!).

Perhaps the most important call you need to make Hector, judging by the first trilogy shot though ... would be a really first rate and well tolkien read afficionado to do the screen play!

Exec producer would be the most fun though! :D

best BB

p.s you shooting it film or HD?
*drools*
Connexions, you say? :D
Hired! You can be my assistant director:)

I have Azalea doing the movie synopsis, and she has done a very good job so far.:)

[Lenya]

This is so exciting! And yes, if there is no other job for me, I'll even be a secretary. Anything for new LotR movies.

[Curubethion]

I'll be official random Relient K and Switchfoot fan, willing to take on the Count in an intellectual origins debate. :D
Why remake LOTR? We oughta just make Assasin's Shadow RPG into a movie :D !

[Embladyne]

What's the current list of Mooters and their positions? I haven't checked this thread in what seems like ages.

I looked back through this thread to find the list I thought had been there at one time, but, alas, it is no more, or never was. Or I didn't see it.

[rohirrim TR]

I'll be official random Relient K and Switchfoot fan, willing to take on the Count in an intellectual origins debate. :D
Why remake LOTR? We oughta just make Assasin's Shadow RPG into a movie :D !
that would be an awesome movie, when i get a digital camcorder, lets get together and make it....in CLAYMATION!!

[Curubethion]

that would be an awesome movie, when i get a digital camcorder, lets get together and make it....in CLAYMATION!!
Yes!! We totally need another thread for this! :D But first we'd better finish it.

[clep_web]

If no one has taken this spot so far, I'll offer myself for the movie art and poster designing department :p

[Elanor's Angel]

(This has probably been said before but I don't wanna have to read the entire thread again.......)
The new movie(s) (I think) Should be at least 2-3 hours each. There should be about 7-8 of them (my friend has a st of lotr books like this... they made me drool...) and we should also do the Sil and Hobbit alnd all that Jazz.... I should be getting a job this summer.... *hopefull look*


Oh come on you guys, at least chuckle at my dream a little bit! :o

[hectorberlioz]

Aw heck, ok, people, hired :)

there's a list of crew people on page 13 I believe.

[Elanor's Angel]

Yes! A reply! We can discuss this at the conventions..... *hopefull look*

[jammi567]

I could be a writer because i have plenty of ideas that should be in it.

[Elanor's Angel]

That sounds good! :)

[azalea]

Here is what I had done when this was first started:

Entmoot LotR screenplay: original draft

We open at the Ivy Bush w/ the Gaffer and other hobbits discussing Bilbo and Frodo. The interior is dim but cheerful, wood paneled walls, a fire in the hearth, most of the several hobbits present are sitting around a couple of tables, all involved in the conversation at hand. Include the dialogue as written in the book. Gaffer should come off as grandfatherly, but not too old, more middle-aged, but somewhat craggy and rough around the edges. His lines need to come off especially well: well paced but natural

Cut to field in late afternoon/ dusk. Dwarves in cart going up to Bag End singing, followed by Gandalf. They pass the gate, which has on it the No Admittance sign. They unload the stuff as hobbit children look on. One says “G for Grand!” in response to the G on the packages being unloaded. Bilbo gives pennies to them, Gandalf tells them to go, and the door abruptly closes. Cut to inside, and Bilbo and Gandalf’s conversation plays out as in the book, using the descriptions and actions given.

Cut to an exploding firework, we hear the noise of the party crowd, pan down; they are all drinking and enjoying the display. Then show the dragon firework as it is described in the book, ending with a shot of Bilbo calling, “That’s the sign for dinner!”

Cut to inside the tent, pan around showing hobbits eating as they finish their meals, then we hear mutterings of “here comes the speech,” etc. [ad lib]
Include Bilbo’s speech in its entirety (including the young hobbit “orchestra,” etc., as described in the book). As it nears its conclusion, the camera pans around to show the bored hobbit faces, then the flash of light as Bilbo disappears. The camera moves around to capture the ensuing confusion, capturing their reactions, and stops on Frodo, our first view of him, as described in the book.

Cut to Bilbo going back to Bag End, getting ready, putting ring in back pocket.
Include Gandalf and Bilbo’s conversation as described in the book. The packet drops to the floor, Gandalf retrieves it. Close up on Bilbo’s face, linger on change from anger to relief. He seems to age slightly as he sings, then turns and goes out with the three dwarves, they walk away from the camera at an angle down the path. The camera pull back to show Gandalf watching them go.

Cut to Frodo coming into the darkness of Bag End (as described in book).

Cut to next day – hobbits lined up at Bag End with wheelbarrows, etc. Camera moves down long line of hobbits as we hear the hum of their murmuring; fairly quickly the camera moves into the door of Bag End to reveal all the activity therein: relatives sorting through packages, Merry helping them find what’s been left to them. This is all shown as a fairly loud, chaotic process so the audience gets a feel for being there.
Focus in on the exchange with Otho and Lobelia, ending with “You’re a Brandybuck!” as they exit, and the ensuing lines between Merry and Frodo from the book. Then we hear a loud knocking. They look up and we see Gandalf appear in the window. We then see their conversation as described in the book.
Gandalf leaves, then fade out.

That was where I had ended, with a note of more to come. Alas, it never did, as I became too busy to proceed with the next part.

[Elanor's Angel]

Sweet! We have progress! I'm sorry about being so AWOL... but I'm back now! I really like the script. Defineately lots of potential! I really like keeping to the book. *thumbs up* :D

WHat's next?

[azalea]

Well, I think I had posted on a previous page that I was giving up my scriptwriting job since I can't devote as much time to mooting anymore. I wish I could go ahead and do the next part, but maybe it would be more fun for everyone to write it together.

My hope is that whoever participates in that will keep to the book as well, making it a true fan's script, made by those who want to see the book dramatized. Those who feel the inclination and have the time could come on here and collaborate on it, maybe using my beginning as a guideline. Have fun, and maybe I can join in every now and then!

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Keep up the good work, y'all!

[Elanor's Angel]

Yay! Any help whenever it can be spared is most apreciated! I have recently joined musical theater at school and a bunch of my friends write fan-fic. I'll try and get one of them to join.... then we'll have another mooter ( :D ) and another writer! (I hope...)

[Gwaimir Windgem]

We can take on Rian, SGH, and get back Jersey Devil for advisers, to make sure everything is satisfactory. ;)

[Elanor's Angel]

If they want to, that would be great!

(And If I ever meet any of you I think I'll make cookies, in addition to whatever else I'm donateing to the movie.)

[nokom]

I would be happy to write a script for fellowship of the ring

[Elanor's Angel]

That sounds awesome! I think if we acutally EVER make the movie, it will be totally awesome!

[nokom]

I really hope this comes through. Here is what is done of my script




LORD OF THE RINGS
FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING

Based on a novel by J.r.r. Tolkien


Written by Tyler Holman


Based on an idea by Hector

Not approved in any way or endorsed by the tolkien family or their publisher, affiliates or licensers




















The screen is black, a deep voice speaks



Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.




A man, whose face and body is covered in black clothes and a mask, slams a hammer down onto an anvil. Fire and sparks cover the screen and we hear an evil voice say


One ring to rule them all


A kinder voice, a narrators voice starts to speak

In was in the days of old in the third age that there was a dark lord named Sauron who betrayed his ruler, <The screen shows a man sitting on a golden throne, dressed in white. He has long flowing white hair and is young> Eru. Rings were gave to each of the races, and the dark lord crafted his own


One ring to rule them all


<Eru disappears into flames, and we see the ring floating in the air>

The nine men given the rings of power became wraiths, Nazgul in the Elven speech, men and Elves joined forces to crush Sauron <We see a great army massing in a green field, on a rainy day, on the other side another army awaits. We zoom in on the men and elves, who are dressed in fine armour, then to to Orcs, who wear black, blood covered leathers and hold crude blood covered metal swords. We see them rush into battle. For almost 4 minutes we see a bloody battle, orcs impaling the men and elves, we see an orc beheaded and stabed many times, we see a hail of arrows fall down upon the elves and men, then we see a man dressed in black robes with a mask, also black, with small eye holes where red eyes can be seen. Horns come from the top of his head. He kicks the orcs out of the way with a large metal spear, with many men impaled on it. He starts to stab the men and kick them, arrows fly by and hit him, he is stabbed and slashed but even his robes do not tare. The ground is now red with blood. Two men rush out, one is stabbed with the spear and falls down, while the other cuts the man’s finger off, and a ring falls into his hand, as the man screams and catches on fire, and turns to ash>

And so it was that Isildur Claimed the ring. <We see him headed down a muddy road, but an arrow hits him in the head, and he falls over into the water, and we see the ring float down, we then see a hobbit pick it from the water> and thus the ring was found by the foul beast Gollum. He lived many lives with it until he himself lost it, or it lost him. <We see another, red haired young hobbit pick it up from the cave, and a evil sounded voice screams “NO!”> and it was found again by Bilbo Baggins, and thus begins The tale of Frodo Baggins and the Lord of the Rings.

[nokom]

Like it?

[nokom]

I am going to make sure this script is DONE RIGHT. I am going to take huge pains to see that it is not AT ALL goofed up.

[Olmer]

Hm... Interesting, but basicaly repeating PJ's mistakes and screen-writes. Read the History and come with a new aproach. :)

[mithrand1r]

Hm... Interesting, but basicaly repeating PJ's mistakes and screen-writes. Read the History and come with a new aproach. :)

Although I have not spent much thought in a new screen play here is one thought I have:

Start the film with Gandalf returning 17 years after bilbo's farewell party to visit Frodo.

If needed you can use the narrator to give some background info. before the film starts or use a flashback during gandalf's visit.

I think out of necessity (to time constraints) one would need to leave out TB and the old forrest.

good fortune on your attempt.

(Bakshi did a decent job upto the crossing of the ford, although he left many details out that would be necessary for those not familiar with LOTR)

(PJ&Co did a decent job upto the crossing of the ford, although he added many details that were unnecessary for those familiar with LOTR) ;)

[nokom]

I will start rewriting that part now then.

[Elanor's Angel]

This is so cool!

[Olmer]

"although he added many details that were unnecessary for those familiar with LOTR"...
Yeah. Like flipping to the audience the one and the same finger for up-tenth times. ;)

[Elanor's Angel]

I'm so glad this thread is back! :D

[nokom]

Okay, here we are. I have reworded the start. The rest about the forging of the ring and such will be explained by Gandalf later.




LORD OF THE RINGS
FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING
PART ONE

Based on a novel by J.r.r. Tolkien


Written by Tyler Holman


Based on an idea by Hector

Not approved in any way or endorsed by the tolkien family or their publisher, affiliates or licensers








<Dwarves run down a long dark cave path, credits roll in the right hand corner. We hear heart pounding drum like music, we see that the Dwarves are being chased by orcs. One of the Dwarves carries a smaller figure on his back. The Dwarf trips and the small person falls down a pit, into darkness>



Orc captain

Kill them! I want their heads!*Bring me the Dwarves’ axes! Etc.

<Zoom in on an orc who lies dead on a table, in a pool of blood. He wears a golden crown, and is very tall and rather fat. Very little light in the room, only three candles>


Thorin Oaken-Shield (Dwarf)


I see light! Where’s Bilbo?!


Dwarf

I don’t know!

<The small figure (Bilbo) Picks up a small, golden ring. He wipes the mud off of it on his green cloak. He is covered in scratches from his fall, along with wet mud>




Strange voice



Where is it…… My birth day gift…. Where is my my precious….. I wants it… We wants it Etc.



<Bilbo draws a glowing sword, a great and bright blue light comes from it>


Bilbo

Get back! Whatever you are! Get back!




<Zoom in on Bilbo’s eyes, screen disappears into blue and blackness. Drum beats grow loud. Credits play along with music, sung in Elvish. After credits play we see Bilbo’s eyes again. They are closed. They open fast. Zoom out. He is sweating, lying in bed. Much older. He rubs his forehead and the words “60 years later” appear on screen>

[mithrand1r]

Nice start. :)

Okay, here we are. I have reworded the start. The rest about the forging of the ring and such will be explained by Gandalf later.




LORD OF THE RINGS
FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING
PART ONE

Based on a novel by J.r.r. Tolkien


Written by Tyler Holman


Based on an idea by Hector

Not approved in any way or endorsed by the tolkien family or their publisher, affiliates or licensers








<Dwarves run down a long dark cave path, credits roll in the right hand corner. We hear heart pounding drum like music, we see that the Dwarves are being chased by orcs. One of the Dwarves carries a smaller figure on his back. The Dwarf trips and the small person falls down a pit, into darkness>



Orc captain

Kill them! I want their heads!*Bring me the Dwarves’ axes! Etc.

<Zoom in on an orc who lies dead on a table, in a pool of blood. He wears a golden crown, and is very tall and rather fat. Very little light in the room, only three candles>


Thorin Oaken-Shield (Dwarf)


I see light! Where’s Bilbo?!


Dwarf

I don’t know!

<The small figure (Bilbo) Picks up a small, golden ring. He wipes the mud off of it on his green cloak. He is covered in scratches from his fall, along with wet mud>




Strange voice



Where is it…… My birth day gift…. Where is my my precious….. I wants it… We wants it Etc.



<Bilbo draws a glowing sword, a great and bright blue light comes from it>


Bilbo

Get back! Whatever you are! Get back!




<Zoom in on Bilbo’s eyes, screen disappears into blue and blackness. Drum beats grow loud. Credits play along with music, sung in Elvish. After credits play we see Bilbo’s eyes again. They are closed. They open fast. Zoom out. He is sweating, lying in bed. Much older. He rubs his forehead and the words “60 years later” appear on screen>