*Appendix Trivia - II*

[Valandil]

A second thread for this game, since we went well over 1000 posts. Featuring anything from LOTR appendices, forwards, etc. Picking up the action from the last several posts of the first thread:

- - - - - - - - -

The Fourth Age?

That one is correct - your turn, Curubethion. :)

[Curubethion]

What is the Gondorian name of Mount Doom? (not Orodruin, that's elvish)

[Spock]

Amon Amarth.

[Curubethion]

:eek: Correct! Thought that one would keep you all busy. :D

[Spock]

What was the closest relationship between dwarves and elves. (parties involved).?

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Gimli & Legolas?

[Spock]

I posted a reply yesterday but obviously it didn't take.

Look closely at the question and then try again.

[Lotesse]

The elves of Hollin and the dwarves who lived in Moria?

[Spock]

The elves of Hollin and the dwarves who lived in Moria?


You are on the right track but the wrong train. :D

[Rconsole]

Elves of Lothlorien and Gimli?

[Spock]

Elves of Lothlorien and Gimli?


Also on the right road but the wrong exit. ;)

[Spock]

I'm asking Rconsole to post the next question. As a new member lets give him/her a chance :D

[Rconsole]

alright but what was the answer?

New question: Name the Four landmarks that border Eriador.

[Radagast The Brown]

The Misty Mountains and hte rivers Lhun, Gwathlo and Glanduin?

[Rconsole]

2/4 the Misty Mountains and the Glanduin are right

[Curubethion]

Are the Ered Luin included?

[Rconsole]

no,

I'mlooking for 2 mountain ranges and 2 rivers, so that leaves 1of each :)

[Radagast The Brown]

Decided to check it:
Eriador was of old the name of all the lands between the misty mountains and the blue; in the South it was bounded by the Greyflood and the Glanduin that flows into it above Tharbad. At its greatest Arnor included all Eriador,.."Except Rivendell, Eregion and the lands west of Lune the river.
So we have it all? Gwathlo, Misty Mountains, Ered Luin/Lune, Glanduin?

[Rconsole]

It was in the quote:

Misty Mountains, Blue Mountains, Greyflood, Glanduin

:)
go ahead

[Radagast The Brown]

Not me, Curubethion said the last answer. :) Ered Luin.

[Rconsole]

but Ered Luin wasn't included, it was the Blue Mountains.

[Radagast The Brown]

Ered Luin are the Blue Mountains. And Gwathlo is Greyflood.

[Rconsole]

oh..alright, but they are divided...ok then :)

[Curubethion]

Ered Luin is the elvish name of the Blue Mountains.

[Spock]

So who is the next questioner????????????????????????????????????

[Radagast The Brown]

Curubethion.

[Rconsole]

well RTB posted 3/4 and Curubethion finished it off, so technically Curubethion should ask the next question because he was the first with the whole answer

[Curubethion]

Oh, nice. Ok...who is Gimli's 4th cousin 3 times removed? (does anyone know genealogical terms?...I don't know what it is exactly... :o )

[Spock]

Sneezy? :D

[Curubethion]

Sorry...no :D
Just so that we won't rely on my crippled genealogy terms...I will tell you this about our mystery person: this dwarf rocks! (somewhat literally)

[Spock]

Durin?

[Curubethion]

Well, I think you might be correct on the genealogical points, if you mean Durin VII...but not quite the dwarf I'm thinking of...it has something to do with his head armor

[Spock]

well I think I'll make some hot chocolate and call it a night.....probably dream of dwarves :D

[Curubethion]

All right, sounds good :D ...if someone gives the answer, feel free to PM me within 48 hours. In the event that I do not respond...well, you know what to do... :D

[Rconsole]

Thrain II?, 4th cousin means his great great grandfathers cousin right?...and then 3 times removed means 3 people to the left?...nevermind...

[Curubethion]

I think that's what I meant...but it's not Thrain II. Don't rely so much on that...just use that to get the general direction of relation. Remember my hints involving a pun...

[brownjenkins]

thorin stonehelm?

[Curubethion]

thorin stonehelm?
You got it...it's actually Thorin III, Stonehelm, but I'll let it pass...
Sorry for the confusing terminology...that's why I used the pun.

[Lotesse]

brownjenkins? You around today? It's your turn! :)

[brownjenkins]

doh... i missed this, hmmm gonna have to be a quick one off the top of my head... try to answer without looking up :)

about how much time (in terms of months) passed between the fellowship leaving rivendell and aragorn's coronation

[Spock]

...good question....I have no idea. :(

[Lotesse]

doh... i missed this, hmmm gonna have to be a quick one off the top of my head... try to answer without looking up :)

about how much time (in terms of months) passed between the fellowship leaving rivendell and aragorn's coronation

Is this specified in the book? :confused:

[Spock]

It may be figured out in the tables at the end but I'm too tired to look now. "L" you've got all that energy from serving java, go get 'em :D

[Lotesse]

Four months and 6 or 7 days? These calenders always screw me up. :confused:

[Valandil]

OK - I remember that the Fellowship left Rivendell on December 25. Aragorn and Arwen were wed the following Mid-year's Day (about July 1, by those ME calendars) - but he was already King then. I'll guess his coronation was May 1 - so it would be about 4 months and maybe 8 days - since all the months have 30 days and we'd have had 2 Yule days just after Dec 30. So Lotesse is right about there... if I'm correct on the May 1 coronation.

[brownjenkins]

correct lotsy and val... i remembered the dates you mentioned val (more or less), so figured i'd ask for and "estimate"... which would be four months :)

you go lotesse

[Lotesse]

The Appendix ones are always hard, both to guess correctly AND to write. Hmmm.

What were the two names the Eldar called the solar year - one way considered astronomically, and one way when the seasonal changes in vegetation were primarily considered?

[Valandil]

I'll have to team up with somebody on this one... I think their term for the astronomical one was 'loa' - meaning 'sun-round' or something like that. I don't recall the seasonal one (except that they observed six seasons instead of four, didn't they?).

[Spock]

OK, but either Lotesse or Val has to post the next question PLEASE. :)

[Spock]

Lotesse
Val

Will you two please watch this thread and keep it going for a few days.
I've got to refine some dilithium crystals.

[Lotesse]

Sure! :)

Val, you got the "loa" one right, now there's one more to get. It's specified in the Appendices. :)

[Lotesse]

Say, Spock, do you mind taking this right now, and give these folks a new question? I gotta run right now; haven't got time to research a new question. Valandil, I am surprised you couldn't get this last question! :)

[Spock]

Say, Spock, do you mind taking this right now, and give these folks a new question?

oooooooooooooooooooK :rolleyes:

quick and painless About how long was the common speach used in the Shire?

[Valandil]

... Valandil, I am surprised you couldn't get this last question! :)

I've been so desperate, I thought about looking it up! :confused:

I don't know Spock's new one either! :(

[Lotesse]

appx. a thousand years?

[Spock]

appx. a thousand years?


That was right again, guys. Great job! Come on, group hug." Sgt. Chen.

You go Lotesse. :D

[Lotesse]

Thanx Spock - O.K., easy quickie -

Where did Aragorn go to lay down and die at, when his time came to pass away?

[Valandil]

What was the name of that place... Rath Dinnen?

[Finrod Felagund]

The Minas Tirith Houses of the Dead. And Merry and Pippin were laid beside him.

[Spock]

I couldn't find "where" he was laid to rest, just that he was and the beds for M&P were placed next to him.

[Spock]

HEY THERE, 72 hrs. and no response from our L.A. coffee maker; Lotesse, HELP :D

[Lotesse]

Where did Aragorn go to lay down and die at, when his time came to pass away?


Finrod & Valandil were both incorrect - can we give this question another 24 hours for someone to answer? If you all would like a hint, it's in the Appendix A, I think (haven't got my book in front of me) the one where it's talking about Aragorn & Arwen. :) It isn't where he was laid to rest, it is where he WENT to lie down & give up the ghost, so to speak.

[Spock]

Cerin Amroth, w/Arwen?

[Lotesse]

O.K., this is the answer I sought - The House of the Kings in the Silent Street. I wanted it verbatim like that... ah, well, can't win 'em all.

Here's a new question:

To whom was given the first Ring of the Seven to be forged for the Dwarves?

[Valandil]

I'll just guess that it was one of the Durins of the Forkbeards.

If I have to get specific, let me guess... Durin IV?

[Lotesse]

Not Durin IV. Yep, it must be specific!

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Durin V?

[Valandil]

I'll work the other way: Durin III?

[Lotesse]

Valandil is correct. :)

[Valandil]

OK - What was an unquiet never to be stilled in the hearts of the Exiles, but in the hearts of the Grey-Elves slumbered, but once awakened could not be appeased?

[Spock]

:confused:

[Lotesse]

Ummmm... the longing for the sea?

[Valandil]

Correct - your turn Lotesse. :)

[Spock]

Lotesse hasn't replied to PM's and hasn't stopped by to post a question, although on other parts of the board. How about we all PM her to swoop by? :rolleyes:

[Lotesse]

My bad, Spock - hey can you put the next question? I have no idea what question to make.

[Spock]

From whom was Elendil descended? :confused:

[Acalewia]

Elros

[Gandalfthegray]

Luthien

[Spock]

tutti sono errati, todos son incorrectos :(

[Gandalfthegray]

Amandil

[Valandil]

Lots of folks - but from the appendices, I'll guess it says he's descended from Valandil, the first Lord of Andune - who was the son of Silmarion, daughter and eldest child of King Tar-(Elendil?) - one of those early kings anyway. :p

[Spock]

none are correct so far as the book says

[Gandalfthegray]

earendil

[Spock]

nope

[Gandalfthegray]

nope
in the book it says desended from earendil and elwing

[Spock]

In using the "appendix" which is what is used for this thread, I've a different answer, also in the book. I'm open to interpretation if you direct me to the exact spot it appears in your book....perhaps versions are different.

[Gandalfthegray]

In using the "appendix" which is what is used for this thread, I've a different answer, also in the book. I'm open to interpretation if you direct me to the exact spot it appears in your book....perhaps versions are different.
The index of names in the silmarillion second edition

[Spock]

The index of names in the silmarillion second edition

Ahh, that's your problem. We're using ONLY the appendix for the Trilogy. The Silmarillion is a totally separate Topic (number four on the Main Page).

Sorry.

[Spock]

Lots of folks - but from the appendices, I'll guess it says he's descended from Valandil, the first Lord of Andune - who was the son of Silmarion, daughter and eldest child of King Tar-(Elendil?) - one of those early kings anyway. :p

Actually Val, you got it but you just didn't distill the information above and arrive at the answer.

According to the appendix A, in my series: "Tar-Elendil, the fourth king, was succeeded by his son Tar-Meneldur, though his daughter Silmarien was the elder. It was, however, from Silmarien that Elendil was descended."

You go Val. :cool:

[Valandil]

Who fought in chariots?

[Spock]

Who fought in chariots?


Ben Hur :D

[Valandil]

Well... I couldn't find Ben Hur in the appendices, but as for THIS answer, the rest of their people also rode in horse-drawn wheeled apparatuses (or would that be apparati?).

[Valandil]

Spock thinks I should post a new question since nobody has answered this. What - is it too hard? I thought for sure the hint I gave would have tipped some of you off.

I suspect it's more likely that the thread has just dropped out of sight, and 'out of mind'.

Anyone care to give this one a try? :)

[Curubethion]

Well... I couldn't find Ben Hur in the appendices, but as for THIS answer, the rest of their people also rode in horse-drawn wheeled apparatuses (or would that be apparati?).
I'd have to guess Haradrim.

[Valandil]

I'd have to guess Haradrim.

No - not the Haradrim. There was a particular name associated with these people from when they invaded (wherever they invaded, that is). :)

[Valandil]

Regarding post # 94, question still not answered :(

Irrelevant. I had a post on the board and had not yielded the floor. Besides that, I had given a hint just 13 hours before you posted your question.

The question from Post #90 still stands.

[Spock]

Irrelevant. I had a post on the board and had not yielded the floor. Besides that, I had given a hint just 13 hours before you posted your question.
The question from Post #90 still stands.



and it's been 17 days since that question was posted-way too long
Post # 93 was interpreted as you yielding the post. SORRY :confused:

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

The Numenoreans?

[Valandil]

TD - not the Numenoreans

Spock - I'm sure 17 days has been done before - I just don't think so many people have been watching the thread lately. I use a "3-day rule" - but that's not for a question going unanswered. It's either for acknowledgement of an answer attempt, or asking a new question after a correct answer has been given. Apology accepted. :)

[Spock]

It just isn't condusive to smooth operation to let it go that long, IMO.

[Spock]

Well another FIVE days and **zip**. Has Val been kidnapped?

[Valandil]

OK - I don't want to hold up THIS thread... I withdraw my question. I'll save it for later. I thought it was a nice one because it doesn't point you to a particular part of the appendices by itself. Sort of requires comprehensive knowledge.

So - I'll open the floor - Spock, you can re-post your question, or someone else can post another if you haven't done so yet when they find the thread.

[Spock]

..ehhh? I don't remember my question......

OK, I'll try a new one. After King Earnil, how many more kings served?

[Spock]

:o :( :eek:

[Spock]

and no one even visits :(

[Acalewia]

6? i dont have the books right in front of me so that is a pure guess. :D

[Spock]

in my best Grocho Marx voice...thanks for stopping by, say the secret word and win $100.


...nope..... :cool:

[Acalewia]

8? am i the only one trying to guess?

[durinsbane2244]

7 kings? [he said, trying to guess near alcaweiasomethingicantrememberthespelling]

[Spock]

8? am i the only one trying to guess?

Well I've waited long enough. Acalewia, how about you posting a new question...I'm keeping this one for another round. :evil:

[Acalewia]

In what year did Aragorn pass?

[Spock]

I never knew he took a course! :)

[Acalewia]

Funny. I'll reword it.
What year did Aragorn pass on?

[Spock]

1541.

[Acalewia]

Correct, Spock. At least somebody tried to answer it :D Your go.

[Spock]

How many kings followed Earnil?

[Acalewia]

4? i think i need to reread this part

[Spock]

No :(

[Acalewia]

The first or the second?

[Spock]

The first or the second?


hmmm, I'm referring with reference to Gondor and I'm not aware of those designations, so the answer would be...........?.............wrong ????

[Acalewia]

God your picky :D I meant Earnil I or Earnil II

[Spock]

Actually it is mentioned quite plainly in the Appendix. You may be referring to geneology and that can be a tricky area, however, that's not where the question comes from.

If no one gets it in another day or so, I'll toss the baton to someone else. :)

[Lotesse]

How many kings followed Earnil?
Would it just be Aragorn? After Elendil died, wasn't it the House of Stewards who took over, while they waited for a king to re-materialise? I ask this at great risk of displaying possible ignorance on my LotR historical stuff, but oh well.

[Spock]

Would it just be Aragorn? After Elendil died, wasn't it the House of Stewards who took over, while they waited for a king to re-materialise? I ask this at great risk of displaying possible ignorance on my LotR historical stuff, but oh well.

from the Appendix "In Gondor also one king only followed Earnil"

You got it Lotesse. ;)

[Lotesse]

Thanx, Spock! I was unsure. :)

O.K. - How old was Aragorn when he left Mordor & came to visit Galadriel in Lorien, and ran into Arwen there? How old was he then?

[Spock]

Are you sure that's in there? The journey, yes, but his age ???? :confused: :confused: :evil:


:D :D :eek: OK, 49 yrs. old. :cool:

But as I'm leaving for a few days, I give it back to Lotesse (presuming I was correct) to please post a new question.

[Lotesse]

Yeah, it's there! It's in the first sentence of the beginning of a paragraph - and that's all the clues you get! :)

[Spock]

:D :D :eek: OK, 49 yrs. old. :cool:

But as I'm leaving for a few days, I give it back to Lotesse (presuming I was correct) to please post a new question.[/QUOTE]

[Lotesse]

Yes, you were right! Are you sure you don't have time to make a quick one? If not, I'll do it.

[Lotesse]

O.K. you guys, new question. It'll be easy for the Elf fanatics among us :rolleyes: :D

Who was Galadriel's brother who was once king of Nargothrond?

[Acalewia]

Gil-Galard :confused:
I think i misspelled it, though

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Finrod Felagund.

[Lotesse]

TD got it! :) It's all yours, TD -

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Name an interesting event that happened in November 3018 according to the Tale of the Years?

[Spock]

Gee, I finally find something and it goes from October to December, nothing listed in November and so I'm still looking. :(

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

You're on the right tracks Spock.

[Spock]

I may be, but I can't locate the answer in brain nor page. :(

[Valandil]

TD - since he already said it, shouldn't you give it to him? ;)

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

I suppose so. Your go Spock.

[Spock]

1. How long did Aragorn and Arwen dwell together?

2. When (I want the period of time that elapsed) did Arwen lay down to her rest?

:evil:

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

1. 1420 years?
2. Do you mean after Aragorns death? If so I'll guess a year.

[Spock]

50% correct......................but you need 100% to be granted the gift of a go :D

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

2 years?

[Spock]

2 years?

Sorry for my ambiguity; you got part 2 correctly, now you need work on part one. :evil:

[Spock]

Oh, come now, you certainly can do this. :(

[Spock]

Another 72 hrs and TD apparently has given up. .....sigh....:(

A new question will be forthcoming in a bit. :evil: :rolleyes:

[Spock]

In what year did the wild men from the N.E. sweep over the Anduin? :p

[Spock]

48 hrs. and no one has even tried ? :(

[Spock]

As no one has completely gotten the question and even more haven't even tried, I declare this question closed. :(

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

*BUMP*

Spock, are you going to post a new question?

[Spock]

*BUMP*
Spock, are you going to post a new question?


NO!

you are welcome to post. :)

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Ok, in what year did Denethor wed Findulias.

[Valandil]

OK... I'll guess... 2976?

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

That is right. Your go Val.

[Valandil]

On the Shire Calendar: which day of the week never falls on the 1st of any month?

[Spock]

Sunday?

[Valandil]

Not Sunday...

[Spock]

On the Shire Calendar: which day of the week never falls on the 1st of any month?

Gee, I got Sunday by reading: "Every year began on the first day of the week, Saturday...."

Sunday seems never to be the first day. :confused:

[Valandil]

Correct - it's Sunday - although I was asking about the months. Two months each begin on all the other days of the week, but because of how the days not associated with months (or weekdays) fall, none of them ever hits a Sunday.

If you didn't pick up on it yet, those orderly little Hobbits have a calendar where every single date is always the same day of the week, every year. :)

Your turn Spock.

[Spock]

On what *exact* date did the white sapling get discovered.? :eek:

[Spock]

Come on people!

[Valandil]

Gee - I don't remember... May 1, 3019? (Third Age, of course)

[Spock]

Thanks Val; right year, wrong date. :(

[Spock]

guess everyone is asleep. :(

[Acalewia]

June 25, 3019

[Spock]

June 25, 3019

Ahhhh, finally a correct answer. :cool:

YOU GO! :evil:

[Acalewia]

What two reasons did Gimli forsake Middle-Earth to sail to the Undying Lands?

[Spock]

He still had extra days on his "magic kingdom" pass and a six pack. :D

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Because of his gret friendship with Legolas and his wish to see the beauty of Galadriel again.

[Acalewia]

Your go, TD. Not much gets pass you, though I fear the question was an easy one.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Somebody else can post a question for me becauyse I'm not going to be on for a few days.

[Spock]

Somebody else can post a question for me becauyse I'm not going to be on for a few days.

King Eomer asked to see Meridoc; how old was Merry then?

[Acalewia]

102?

[Spock]

102?


Si!

Ja!

but of course. :cool:

[Acalewia]

Oh wow I got that right! :D
HMMM
How many years were Denthor and Finduilas married before she died?

[Valandil]

10 years?

[Acalewia]

Close, but no cigar

[Spock]

Close, but no cigar


ahh, a thoroughly old yank saying :)

a dozen years; twelve; 12, that many. :p

[Acalewia]

Leave it to the Vulcan to get the Cigar. And yes I'm American if that was what you were refering to

[Spock]

quick and painless:

What family (from The Shire) line is not mentioned in the books?

[Valandil]

That's not one that comes readily to mind.

Is it stated explicitly, as you ask it (like your questions usually are) - or is this information found only in the family trees?

[Serenoli]

The Gardners?

[Spock]

The Gardners?

100% CORRECT


yugo.! ;)

[Serenoli]

100% CORRECT


yugo.! ;)

Cool! :)

When did the Nazgul lay siege to Minas Ithil?

[Valandil]

Ooo... I know the 'about' - but not really the exact.

2040 Third Age?

[Gordis]

Cool! :)

When did the Nazgul lay siege to Minas Ithil?

: TA 2000. :D

And they took it in 2002.

[Gordis]

As I know I am right, here is the next question: What heirlooms of the house perished with Arvedui?

[Lotesse]

Out of courtesy to the querant, and because this is just the way we do the trivia process here, one must first await a go-ahead from the querant. Even if you know you are right, still you must wait. That is the way we have always done it. Just ask Spock.

[Valandil]

Out of courtesy to the querant, and because this is just the way we do the trivia process here, one must first await a go-ahead from the querant. Even if you know you are right, still you must wait. That is the way we have always done it. Just ask Spock.
Yes - generally so on these trivia threads. We skirt that sometimes with the Quote Game, but that's a whole different thing.

Gordis - can you hang onto your question until Spock gives the OK? He's normally real good about checking back regularly. :)

[Gordis]

Yes - generally so on these trivia threads. We skirt that sometimes with the Quote Game, but that's a whole different thing.

Gordis - can you hang onto your question until Spock gives the OK? He's normally real good about checking back regularly. :)
Until Serenoli gives the OK, you mean? It was her question.

I am sorry if I broke the rules, I never played before. But it was the date I was really sure about. :) , so I only wished to speed things up.
Sorry, Serenoli! I willingly await your OK.

[Serenoli]

And you have it! OK :)

[Gordis]

Thanks Serenoli! :)
So, what was it that perished in the shipwrack of Forochel?

[Valandil]

Oops - sorry about that other - it was Lotesse's reference to Spock that threw me. :p

Items lost; lessee... about all I can think of are the two Palantiri - the ones originally at Amon Sul and Annuminas.

Unless maybe also the royal embroidered Underpants of Elendil? :D

[Gordis]

Correct, Valandil.
I meant exactly the Underpants of Doom :D

Your turn!

[Spock]

ist gut, die Kinder zu sehen, gut zusammen zu spielen :D

[Valandil]

Upon the death of which Ruling Steward did the White Tree of Gondor also die?

Und... Herr Spock - ich spreche auch Deutsch! :p

[Udukhaturz]

Belecthor II who died in 2872, Third Age, I believe.

[Valandil]

Correct Udu - it was Belecthor II - your turn. :)

[Spock]

Und... Herr Spock - ich spreche auch Deutsch! :p

das ist gut :cool:

[Udukhaturz]

When King Arvedui fled north from the power of Angmar, who gave him succor?

[Gordis]

The Lossoth, the Snowmen of Forochel?

[Udukhaturz]

Gordis, correct. Next question is yours to ask.

[Gordis]

That was not difficult. How about this one :)? :

What were the names of the great-grandsons of Castamir, who led the Corsairs of Umbar and slew King Minardil at Pelargir?

[Udukhaturz]

Yes, Gordis, the question is difficult. Were they Angamaitë and Sangahyando?

[Gordis]

Correct, Udu!

I love the names, pure Quenia, aren't they? Angamaite meand "iron-hand", but I have forgotten what the other one means.

Your turn, Udu! :)

[Udukhaturz]

I looked the name elements up in a Quenya dictionary and I came up with "Sangwe - Poison" and "Hyando - Cleaver" for Sangahyando. I am not the best at translating Quenya, though.

[Gordis]

I knew I read the translation somewhere, and I have found it, in the "Letters".

2. Q[uenya] names of Kings, etc. Q. was known to the learned in Gondor at least as well as Latin still is in W. Europe. [...] Angamaitë 'Iron-handed', and Sangahyando 'Throng-cleaver', were good Q. but no more so than the other names, and there was no need to assert their royal descent, as that was clear. They were, however, possibly 'aggressive' in being personal warrior names (or nicknames), whereas the other (few) warlike Q. names, like Rómendacil, were 'political': assumed by a king in celebration of victories against a public enemy.- Letter #347

So, your translation seems 50% right, Udu. :)

So, your next question.

[Udukhaturz]

Gordis, so much for the online Quenya translator. *grins*

Here is an easy question and has probably been asked many times before.

Name the four heirlooms of the Kings that were kept at Rivendell.

[Gordis]

Scepter of Annuminas, shards of Narsil, Elendilmir and...?

Perhaps the Ring of Barahir? Before Aragorn took it and gave to Arwen?

[Udukhaturz]

Right, Gordis. Next question is yours.

[Gordis]

Thanks, Udu.

Next question:
Where did the encounter between Earnur, the Witch-King and Glorfindel take place?

[Udukhaturz]

To be exact, I guess, "...there was a great battle on the plain between Nenuial and the North Downs."

[Gordis]

Sorry but no, Udu! :)

There was the battle of Fornost between Nenuial and the North Downs.

But the actual setting of the encounter and the prophesy was someplace else :p .

[Udukhaturz]

Gordis, it is a little difficult to pinpoint an exact spot on this description. "Then the Witch-king, with all that he could gather from the wreck, fled northwards, seeking his own land of Angmar. Before he could gain the shelter of Carn Dum the cavalry of Gondor overtook him with Earnur riding at their head. At the same time a force under Glorfindel the Elf-lord came up out of Rivendell." Then comes the confrontation between the Witch-king and Earnur, then between the Witch-king and Glorfindel. I guess northeast of Fornost.

[Gordis]

It is exactly this passage that I meant. :)

Interesting, I always understood it that the final destruction of the Angmarian army took place far from Fornost, somewhere in Angmar itself, just short of Carn Dum, or in North-Eastern Arthedain , near the border with Angmar.

Why? I guess that's because "Glorfindel the Elf-lord came up out of Rivendell". I thought it meant came North from the South, not North-West - and from Rivendell, North Downs are more to the West than to the North..

It seems that the cavalry of Earnur overtook the fleeing army, cutting them from Carn-Dum, and Glorfindel came from the South and the Angmarian army was crushed between the two.

Anyway Udu, you gave the correct answer and the next question is yours. :)

[Udukhaturz]

Gordis, it is my impression, too, that the Angmarian army was destroyed within Angmar itself, but I could not say exactly where, just "somewhere northeast of Fornost." It is a big piece of territory.

Here is my question: Why did the horse Mansbane/Felaróf allow Eorl to ride him?

[Gordis]

It killed his father, Leod.

Eorl said: "Felaróf I name you. You loved your freedom, and I do not blame you for that. But now you owe me a great weregild, and you shall surrender your freedom to me until your life's end."

[Udukhaturz]

Correct, Gordis. The next question is yours.

[Gordis]

Thanks, Udu.

Thee was once a young prince of Gondor, who didn't remain behind in Minas Tirith as he was ordered, but went to battle in disguise, much like Eowyn later did. He was slain, along with his father-the King- and elder brother. The crown passed to another line.

What was his name?

[Valandil]

Faramir

[Gordis]

Yes, Faramir son of Ondoher.

Your turn, Val! :)

[Valandil]

What is chiefly remembered from the time of Turgon, Steward of Gondor?

[Udukhaturz]

Heavy taxation. *laughs*

[Valandil]

Well... besides that. :p

[Udukhaturz]

Sauron declared himself openly.

[Valandil]

Yes indeed - and was cited for undecent exposure! :eek:

Your turn, Udu.

[Udukhaturz]

He was later arrested for mooning. :D

When Aragorn died, whose bodies were laid to rest beside his?

[Valandil]

Mary Poppins...

I mean, Merry and Pippin!

[Udukhaturz]

Yes, Mary had the bier just down the isle, but Merry and Pippin got the more honored spots. :D Ask the next question.

[Udukhaturz]

Yes, Mary had the bier just down the isle, but Merry and Pippin got the more honored spots. :D Ask the next question.

You spelled that wrong, you idiot. It is "aisle," not "isle." You also tried to quote yourself. Go back to the first grade and stay there.

[Lotesse]

Udu!! You[re killin' me! Awesome sarcastic self-deprecating humour there. :D I never realised how cool you can be. :cool: For real, that was the bomb! :) :D :) Big ol' silly goose. I wish I knew these Appendix trivia but alas, I am sadly lacking in Appendix knowledge.

[Valandil]

OK - I'll repeat one I asked a long, long time ago. This one is a bit more "comprehensive" - and not found at just one location in the appendices:

How many 'white trees' are associated with the Numenoreans / Dunedain? Give some information about each (ie, where it grew, who planted it and when, when it died and how, etc) - so we know you're not just guessing numbers. :)

[Gordis]

OK, let us count these trees. :)
1. Telperion -

2. Galathilion in Tuna -

3. Celeborn in Tol Eressëa - The Elves brought a seedling to Armenelos early in the SA -

4. Nimloth in Numenor - burned by Sauron as a first offering in his new temple, while Isildur stole a fruit - and brought the seedling grown from it to ME

5. White Tree in Minas Ithil, planted before the house of Isildur - was burned when the city fell, in SA 3429, but Isildur saved a seedling of it.

6. White Tree in Minas Anor, planted by Isildur (TA2) before the Court of the Fountain in memory of his brother Anarion. This tree died in TA1636, during the Great Plague, when King Telemnar died.

7. Second White Tree in Minas Anor was replanted from a seedling by Tarondor, Telemnar's nephew, who succeeded him, TA1640. When the Steward Belecthor II died (TA 2852), the White Tree died also; but it was left standing 'until the King returns', for no seedling could be found.

8. The last White Tree of Minas Tirith has grown from a seedling found by Mithrandir and Aragorn in the snows of Mindolluin (June 25 3019).

Numbers 4-8 are associated wiith the Numenoreans/Dunedain. Actually, Tar-Palantir prophesied, saying that "when the Tree perished, then also would the line of the Kings come to its end."

Now, as a side note: isn't it curious that Mithrandir the Sly Manipulator :D has succeeded to find the seedling of the White Tree (so VERY PR-important thing for a new King with a questionable claim to the throne!) in the NICK OF TIME - right after the Coronation and before the marriage?

I suspect that the sly Wizard has smuggled the seedling right from Valinor, during his last visit there in February, and than made a great show of "finding" it :eek: to give an additional trump to his protégé Aragorn. :D

[Valandil]

OK, let us count these trees. :)
1. Telperion -

2. Galathilion in Tuna -

3. Celeborn in Tol Eressëa - The Elves brought a seedling to Armenelos early in the SA -

4. Nimloth in Numenor - burned by Sauron as a first offering in his new temple, while Isildur stole a fruit - and brought the seedling grown from it to ME

5. White Tree in Minas Ithil, planted before the house of Isildur - was burned when the city fell, in SA 3429, but Isildur saved a seedling of it.

6. White Tree in Minas Anor, planted by Isildur (TA2) before the Court of the Fountain in memory of his brother Anarion. This tree died in TA1636, during the Great Plague, when King Telemnar died.

7. Second White Tree in Minas Anor was replanted from a seedling by Tarondor, Telemnar's nephew, who succeeded him, TA1640. When the Steward Belecthor II died (TA 2852), the White Tree died also; but it was left standing 'until the King returns', for no seedling could be found.

8. The last White Tree of Minas Tirith has grown from a seedling found by Mithrandir and Aragorn in the snows of Mindolluin (June 25 3019).

Numbers 4-8 are associated wiith the Numenoreans/Dunedain. Actually, Tar-Palantir prophesied, saying that "when the Tree perished, then also would the line of the Kings come to its end."

Now, as a side note: isn't it curious that Mithrandir the Sly Manipulator :D has succeeded to find the seedling of the White Tree (so VERY PR-important thing for a new King with a questionable claim to the throne!) in the NICK OF TIME - right after the Coronation and before the marriage?

I suspect that the sly Wizard has smuggled the seedling right from Valinor, during his last visit there in February, and than made a great show of "finding" it :eek: to give an additional trump to his protégé Aragorn. :D

You are perfectly correct about #'s 4 through 8 - so there were five of them! :)

Too bad your crack about Gandalf disqualifies you! :eek: :D :p ;)

Ar-right, aw-right... go 'head!

[Gordis]

Thanks, o most gracious High King! ;) :D

How many days were there in an Elven week and what alterations did the Dunedain make in it?

[Valandil]

The Elves had six - one each for the Stars, Sun, Moon, Trees, Heavens and Powers.

The Numenoreans / Dunedain added a day in honor of the Sea - which became Thursday. :)

[Gordis]

Correct, Val.

Only I had no idea that the Sea-Day is Thursday. :confused:
Your turn!

[Valandil]

Who was the Steward of Gondor when King Ondoher and his sons died in battle - and who ruled for a year until the next King was chosen?

[Gordis]

Pelendur?

[Valandil]

Pelendur it was - your turn Gordis. :)

[Gordis]

What was the name of the King who changed the law of succession to that of simple promogeniture irrespective of sex? :)

[Udukhaturz]

Aldarion

[Gordis]

Correct. :)
Your turn, Udu!

[Udukhaturz]

What is the meaning of "Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor," both the literal translation and the actual meaning of the phrase?

[Gordis]

Oh, that was a difficult one. Entish Quenya!

Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaerëa Lómëanor, may be rendered 'Forestmanyshadowed-deepvalleyblack Deepvalleyforested Gloomyland', and by which Treebeard meant, more or less: 'there is a black shadow in the deep dales of the forest'.

[Udukhaturz]

Gordis, I thought that was a nice, difficult question. :D Ask the next one.

[Gordis]

Thanks, Udu.
What is "yén"?

[Valandil]

The way Elves count time. 144 of our years. :)

[Gordis]

Yep! :D

Your turn, Val!

[Valandil]

Who built the pillars of the Argonath at the entrance to Nen Hithoel?