*Appendix Trivia - II*

[Gordis]

Rómendacil I Tarostar

[Valandil]

Not correct. :(

[Gordis]

Yes, that was a wrong one. not I but II! :o

This one:

Minalcar (regent 1240-1304), crowned as Rómendacil II 1304, died 1366,

[Valandil]

THAT's the Romendacil I(i) was looking for! :D

Your turn! :)

[Gordis]

Who had the longest reign of all the Line of Anárion?

[Gandalfthegray]

Hyarmendacil

[Gordis]

Not correct, sorry :) !

[Gandalfthegray]

Meneldil

[Gandalfthegray]

Cemendur

[Spock]

Who had the longest reign of all the Line of Anárion?


the mods who have to keep an eye on this stuff :)

[Gordis]

I suggest you go check the appendices :) :p .

[Spock]

Who had the longest reign of all the Line of Anárion?

Isildur? :cool:

[Gandalfthegray]

Isildur? :cool:
isildur is his brother

[Gordis]

Nope, go read the book, guys! ;)

[Gandalfthegray]

ive read the books like 20 times except for the sil, i jsut dont bother going through the apendix lol.

[Gordis]

Then what in Ungoliant are you doing in this thread?
LOL.

[Gandalfthegray]

Lol, well at the time i answered all the other trivia threads so i tried this one.

[Gordis]

Come on, a simple question from Appendix A.
Who had the longest reign in the line of Anarion?
Nothing to calculate this time, it is stated plainly!

[Serenoli]

Hyarmendacil! :)

I wish everyone would give such clues appended to their questions, for then I'd be much better at this game! :D

[Gordis]

Sorry, Serenoli, not correct :( .
Hyarmendacil I (Ciryaher) reigned for 134 years, but there was another king (later!) who regned 162 years. Who?

[Valandil]

I recall the occasion, but not 100% certain of the name - was it Telemnar?

[Spock]

..... but there was another king (later!) who regned 162 years. Who?


...obviously you mean The Dr. :D

[Gordis]

Right, Val. Your turn.

[Valandil]

What did Fram send to the Dwarves - and what were they hoping for instead?

[Gordis]

Fram sent them a necklace made of dragon's teeth, but they wanted Scatha's full hoard.

[Valandil]

Right - and the necklace was made from the teeth of Scatha himself (or herself - but I've always thought Scatha was a male).

Your turn. :)

[Gordis]

Right - and the necklace was made from the teeth of Scatha himself (or herself - but I've always thought Scatha was a male).

Your turn. :)

There should be some females, right? So it is 50:50! :D


For how long was Gandalf imprisoned in Orthanc?

[Valandil]

Total guess here: I'm gonna say "two months"

[Gordis]

Accurate enough for a guess. :) Actually, according to TY, from July 10 to September 18.

Your turn, Val!

[Valandil]

Who said that if he dislikes a crooked staff thrust upon him, he breaks it?

[Gordis]

Who said that if he dislikes a crooked staff thrust upon him, he breaks it?
Helm said that to Frecca :)

[Valandil]

Correct Gordis - your turn! :)

[Gordis]

What was Sam's real Westron name, not its English equivalent? :)
Give the full and the shortened version.

[Serenoli]

if i remember correctly, Bânazir and Bân.. not sure about the spellings though

[Gordis]

if i remember correctly, Bânazir and Bân.. not sure about the spellings though

Banazîr and Ban.
You were correct, save the accents.

Your turn, Serenoli! :)

[Serenoli]

Sorry for the delay. :( Please don't eat me, Spock! :eek:

Q: When did Legolas finally leave Middle-earth, and who did he take with him?

[Spock]

Sorry for the delay. :( Please don't eat me, Spock! :eek:

Q: When did Legolas finally leave Middle-earth, and who did he take with him?


1541
Gimli

:D

[Serenoli]

:rolleyes: :)

Ya!

[Spock]

Who were the last keepers of "The Red Book"?

[Acalewia]

Sam and Elanor?

[Valandil]

The Fairbairns? (SP?)

[Spock]

The Fairbairns? (SP?)


Well done Val. !!!

YUGO. :D

[Spock]

COME on people....................THREE days and no reply...................

**we have to consider *temporary closing* on these trivia threads as a continuing dirth of activity grows.

[Valandil]

Cool your jets Spock - we're not closing any trivia threads for inactivity.

And sorry for the delay - forgot I was up.

Who were the first two kings recorded to be slain in the wars between Arthedain, Cardolan and Rhudaur? And what was their relationship to one another?

[Spock]

Back off jack! :( :mad:

how do you like it

feel free to delete our messages :p

[Gordis]

Who were the first two kings recorded to be slain in the wars between Arthedain, Cardolan and Rhudaur? And what was their relationship to one another?

I would say Argeleb (1356) and his son Arveleg (1409). But weren't they slain in the wars with Angmar, not in the civil wars? :confused:

[Valandil]

I would say Argeleb (1356) and his son Arveleg (1409). But weren't they slain in the wars with Angmar, not in the civil wars? :confused:

You're correct - on both counts actually. I noticed the Appendix B entry for 1356 - which only mentions Rhudaur. Remembering that the son also fell - I (incorrectly) extrapolated the rest. The Appendix A version says that Argeleb fell fighting both Rhudaur and Angmar - and that Arveleg died fighting the host of Angmar.

Your turn. :)

[Gordis]

Thanks, Val. Perhaps in 1356 the men of Arthedain still believed they were only fighting with Rhudaur. :)

What land did the Eotheod come from, when they rode to the Field of Celebrant to help Gondor?

[Spock]

Five days since the new question was posted. ANYONE guess or post a new question please?

[Udukhaturz]

Guess off the top of my head - Rhovanion.

[Gordis]

Sorry, but no, Udu! They moved from Rhovanion to dwell somewhere else before coming to Rohan...

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Near the sources of the Anduin.

[Gordis]

You got it, TD! :)

Next question, please!

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Who was the first lord of Andunie?

[Gordis]

Valandil? :D

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Correct, your go Gor!

[Gordis]

Thanks, TD :D

What did Denethor's wife pine for?

[Udukhaturz]

Dol Amroth?

[Gordis]

Yes, and the sea :)
Your turn, Udu!

[Udukhaturz]

Where is Karningul?

[Gordis]

Where Imladris and Rivendell are :)

[Udukhaturz]

Gordis, that was really a quick response! Your reward for responding so quickly is coming up with the next question. :)

[Gordis]

What blood ties connected the Eorlingas with the Kings of Gondor?

[Spock]

What blood ties connected the Eorlingas with the Kings of Gondor?

Gee, that's difficult to say.

Eorl was the first King of Rohan. The Eorlingas is another name for the Rohirrim. The Rohirrim considered themselves decendants of Eorl.

What that has to do with Gondor, is beyond my knowledge. :p

[Gordis]

A little hint for you, then. :) ;)
Eorl lived around TA 2500.
Last King of Gondor went "missing" in TA 2050.
So whatever ties the Eorlingas claimed to have with the Kings of Gondor had to happen LONG BEFORE Eorl.

[Spock]

A little hint for you, then. :) ;)
Eorl lived around TA 2500.
Last King of Gondor went "missing" in TA 2050.
So whatever ties the Eorlingas claimed to have with the Kings of Gondor had to happen LONG BEFORE Eorl.


The Eorlingas is another name for the Rohirrim. And so :confused: I've not a clue.

[Gordis]

The Eorlingas is another name for the Rohirrim.
I am not sure, but I believe the "Eorlingas" encompass not all of the Rohirrim, but only those of the Royal house - descendants of Eorl.

[Valandil]

Eldacar, a future King of Gondor - wed Vidu(mava?) - the daughter of the self-styled "King of Rhovanion (Vidu... ga-something?) - probably in about the 1200's TA.

Eorl and his line consider themselves descendants of this King - and therefore, distant cousins to Gondor's Kings.

[Gordis]

Correct, Val. :cool:

Vidugavia and Vidumavi, as far as I remember :)

Your turn!

[Valandil]

Who claimed that Isildur had relinquished the realm of Gondor to Meneldil, son of Anarion, and his heirs?

[Gordis]

Pelendur?

[Valandil]

No - not Pelendur.

[Gordis]

Then it was The Council of Gondor, led by Pelendur ;) :p

[Valandil]

Correct - your turn

[Gordis]

'jolly, gay' - in Westron please!

[Udukhaturz]

Kalimac?

[Gordis]

Yes. Your turn!

[Udukhaturz]

What is the Elvish name of Azanulbizar?

[Gordis]

Nanduhirion

[Udukhaturz]

Gordis, correct. The next question is yours.

[Gordis]

What do "hyarmen and formen" literally mean and why?

[Udukhaturz]

"Hyarmen" and "formen" are the names of Quenya Tengwar letters "hy" and "f" and are used on maps for "south" and "north."

[Gordis]

Hyarmen and formen mean Soputh and North indeed, but I don't think that they are names of Quenya Tengwar letters :confused: .

I advise you to search a little further, Udu! ;)

Great new title, the Shadow Lord of Morgul! *bows*

[Udukhaturz]

Gordis, for the answer I was going on this quote from page 401:

"The names of the letters most widely known and used were 17 n, 33 hy, 25 r, 9 f: númen, hyarmen, rómen, formen = west, south, east, north (cf. Sindarin Dûn or annûn, harad, rhûn or amrûn, forod). These letters commonly indicated the points W, S, E, N even in languages that used quite different terms. They were, in the West-lands, named in this order, beginning with and facing west: hyarmen and formen indeed meant left-hand region and right-hand region (the opposite to the arragement in many Mannish languages)."

[Gordis]

I know, Udu.

Actually I was looking for this quote several pages further:

These letters commonly indicated the points W, S, E, N even in languages that used quite different terms. They were, in the Westlands, named in this order, beginning with and facing west; hyarmen and formen indeed meant left-hand region and right-hand region (the opposite to the arrangement in many Mannish languages).

Anyway, you ask the next question, Udu. One quote is as good as another :)

[Udukhaturz]

*Chuckles good naturedly* I would have to go for the complicated answer. *Grins*

I have an easy, fun question. Where in the Appendixes is the word "outhouse" used?

[Gordis]

Appendix E
"In Dwarvish, which did not possess the sounds represented above by th and ch(kh), th and kh are aspirates, that is t or k followed by an h, more or less as in backhand, outhouse." :D

[Udukhaturz]

Gordis, you are correct. Ask the next question.

[Gordis]

Whose was the mound in which the Ring-bearer was imprisoned?

[Udukhaturz]

Probably the last prince of Cardolan

[Gordis]

Corect, Udu. You go!

[Udukhaturz]

What name did Tolkien say may have been better for the Dwarves?

[Valandil]

Dwarrows?

[Udukhaturz]

Val, you got it. The next question is yours.

[Valandil]

One of the weekdays was named in honor of the stars. On which day of the week (first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth or seventh) did that fall - and what day was it?

[Gordis]

First day of the week was named Elenya, in honor of the stars. :)

[Valandil]

Maybe I should give it to you right there... but can you tell me what it's commonly called? :)

[Gordis]

hmm... Monday? ;)

[Valandil]

It wasn't Monday :( - but I see that 'winkie' - so you MUST've meant "Saturday" - right? :p Or "Sterrendie" / "Sterday" (oh - except looking those up - I see how he writes that their Saturday corresponds approximately to our Monday... etc)

Anyway - you take it from here, Gordie! :)

[Gordis]

Honestly, I had no idea that Monday corresponded to Saturday :confused:

So you ask the next question! :p

[Valandil]

Nah... g'head! And that correspondence had more to do with function - it was the day after the "High Day" - I think that's what he means.

I just asked - you ask now! :)

[Gordis]

OK, OK!

What was he name of Helm's son?

[Spock]

Helmet :D

[Gordis]

Funny, you got very close. :D

[Spock]

OK, OK!

What was he name of Helm's son?

I've no clue. I know that Frealaf was his sister-son but that's as far as my brain can go. :(

[Gordis]

Then one has to take the book and let his eyes lead him further :) :p

[Valandil]

Helmet :D

Funny, you got very close. :D

Hamlet?? :p

[Gordis]

Warm... Try again

[Spock]

Another 72 hours, three days, *3* have passed and no answer. :(

[Gordis]

OK, Helm's son Haleth.

Now ask the next question who feels like it!

[Spock]

:( :confused: :( :eek:

[Spock]

Who was the last person to see Samwise Gamgee?

[Acalewia]

Sam's daughter, Elanor?

[Spock]

Sam's daughter, Elanor?

Absotively, correctomundo, righteeo! :)

[Acalewia]

Which members of the Fellowship sailed into the West?

[Spock]

Which members of the Fellowship sailed into the West?
Frodo, Gandalf, Sam, Legolas & Gimli.

[Acalewia]

You got it, Spock.

*makes mental note to check thread often*

[Spock]

What time of day did Theoden reach Isengard?

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Noon.

[Spock]

Yes he did. :p

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

What happened just before Arwen laid herself to rest?

[Spock]

she fluffed her pillow :D

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Close, but unfortunatley no! ;)

[Acalewia]

Her husband died and her son took the throne?

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Nope.
HINT: This is said to have happened just before she died.

[jammi567]

dwelt in Lorien until spring almost came?

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

That's one part, you missed another.

[Spock]

What happened just before Arwen laid herself to rest?


Well, after Aragorn passed away, she went and dwelt in Lorien and when the mallorn-leaves were falling she laid herself to rest upon Cerin Amroth

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

I was looking for the part about the mallorn leaves so your go Spock.

[Spock]

Who said and to whom (yes a two parter) :p

"This is our last parting, Estel......"

[jammi567]

Gilraen (his mother) to Aragon

[Spock]

Who said and to whom (yes a two parter)

"This is our last parting, Estel......"



Gilraen (his mother) to Aragon


Indeed! Well done.

YUGO :D

[jammi567]

who was the great, great, great, great, great grand uncle of Faramir I?

[Valandil]

Brandobras "Bullroarer" Took??

[jammi567]

yes, your go. :( (i thought it would last longer then this)

[Valandil]

Sorry - and I didn't have the Took geneaology memorized or anything - but I remembered that Bullroarer wasn't a direct ancestor, but someone's uncle - so I thought I'd give it a shot, since he was so significant. FYI though - I don't think we use "grand" for an uncle... it's just "great-uncle" for a grandparent's brother and on back from there.

OK - here's one that previously lasted a long time, but maybe someone who's playing now can come up with it (it never got answered, so I'll try it again). No complaints about nobody answering it Spock... :D :p

Question:
Whose chieftains fought in chariots?

[Spock]

Ben Hur! :D

[Acalewia]

The Wainriders?

[Valandil]

"Wainriders" is correct - your turn Acalewia! :)

[Acalewia]

You posted that how many times? ;)

Who was Thorongil?

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Aragorn

[Acalewia]

Yep. I thought that one might be a bit of a challenge. Guess not. Your go.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

What was the name of the leader who lead his people to Eotheod?

[Valandil]

Well - I think the Eotheod was the people, and not a place, but you might mean "Frumgar"... :)

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

I do indeed.

I thought Eotheod was the people aswell until I read this.

"Frumgar, they say, was the name of the chieften who led his people to Eotheod."

[Valandil]

Oooo - you got me! Good one! :o :p

OK - How many years were there from the time that the Dunedain that remained in Rhudaur were slain or fled - and the time that the end came to the Dunedain of Cardolan?

[Acalewia]

100?

[Valandil]

More than 100. :)

[Acalewia]

200?

[Valandil]

A bit more...

[Acalewia]

400? :confused:

[Valandil]

A good deal less than 400 years.

[Acalewia]

Ok then
250?

[Valandil]

Less than 250 years... :)

[Acalewia]

This is like playing "hot or cold" :D

225?

[Valandil]

A little more than 225 years...

[Acalewia]

227?

I keep guessing I'm bound to get the answer, ya think?

[Valandil]

227 it is! :D

The Dunedain of Rhudaur came to an end in 1409 - the same year that Angmar and Rhudaur launched a major offensive against Arthedain and Cardolan.

The Dunedain of Cardolan came to an end in 1636 - due to the Great Plague.

Your turn! :)

[Acalewia]

*Wipes brow* Only took 6 guesses :D :p

Question:

Who killed Thor and what was done to the body?

[Valandil]

You mean "Thror"? ;)

[jammi567]

Who killed Thor and what was done to the body?
Sauron and didn't he just through the body away?

[Acalewia]

Nope, try again

[slurktan]

Thror was decapitated by Azog as well as having runes branded on his face I believe.

[Acalewia]

Right, your go
and welcome to the Moot

[slurktan]

Thank you for the welcome.

Besides Valandil, who is the longest reigning King of the Kingdoms-in-Exile?

[Valandil]

Lessee... I know Araphor ruled Arthedain for 180 years - I don't recall if anyone in Gondor ruled longer (but I doubt it).

[slurktan]

You are correct.

[Valandil]

About when... did the Fallohides and Stoors, first come into Eriador and the Angle or Dunland, respectively?

[Spock]

:eek: four days and zippo :(

[Valandil]

That's not when they came, and that's not the rule.

Why don't you give a try?

[Acalewia]

*pokes thread* :)

[Valandil]

Please try answers - there is an open question in the thread.


Please no more posts lamenting how long it has gone without being answered. Either answer or let it sink.

[Spock]

I, we, all of us, will 'remind' others that there is an open question and try to keep the trivia going. It has always been so and shall continue to be. :(

[Spock]

About when... did the Fallohides and Stoors, first come into Eriador and the Angle or Dunland, respectively?

WE HAVE NEVER LET A TOPIC GO TWELVE DAYS WITHOUT RESTATING A QUESTION, RETRACTING A QUESTION OR POSTING A NEW QUESTION.

So, let's post a new question, Val. :evil:

[Acalewia]

Please try answers - there is an open question in the thread.
Sorry :o

[Spock]

Sixteen Days-=new Question Please :( :*(

[jammi567]

On what day does the book officially end?

[Spock]

The day after Bilbo's birthday (he passed the Old Took) as they rode all day and evening before getting to the grey havens.

[jammi567]

no, you are totally out.

[Spock]

Well, the book is usually considered the story in any tome. Therefore my guess. The appendix, etc. are just reference and miscellaneous stuff and so shouldn't figure into the calculations. :eek:

[jammi567]

no, i mean a day like, for example, feb 14. see what i mean. :)

[jammi567]

anyone.

[Spock]

Sept. 20th

[jammi567]

how about...no! :D

[jammi567]

anyone?

[jammi567]

I twas actually October the 6th.

[Spock]

j-567, great question, stumpted us all. How about you do another???? Promise we'll all try harder. :D

[jammi567]

Thanks. :D :). Wh was Faramir's great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandad, and was born in 1020?

[Spock]

hmmm, I don't think the appendix lists people by the number of 'greats', etc. Perhaps you might reconsider re-wording this? :confused:

[jammi567]

But if it did that, then the question would be too easy then.

[Spock]

Well, if the question doesn't conform to the book; i.e. if the book (including appendix) doesn't list the answer in the form you posted the question, then the question isn't fair.

I suppose you can give it a couple of days and if no response, just think up a newer and more clear question. OK.?

[jammi567]

I suppose you can give it a couple of days and if no response, just think up a newer and more clear question. OK.?
Aren't you going to have a go then.

[Spock]

Nah, not right now. Let's see if my prediction comes true. :eek:

[slurktan]

Just to be clear....

The question is saying that there is 6 generations between Faramir and this fellow who was born in 1020 correct?

[jammi567]

yeh...

[slurktan]

My only guess would be Beregond and that would be by assuming the 1020 meant Shire Calendar, however I can't find anywhere in the Appendices where it mentions the year of Beregond's birth and I can't see him living to such a great age. If it's not him.... I'm going to have to say the question isn't valid as there is no way 6 generations of exiled Numenorean strain could last 2000 years and probably even not the 900 years between 1020 and the likely birthyear of Ondoher's second son.

[jammi567]

hint: to do with hobbits.

[jammi567]

any guesses.

[Acalewia]

Isengrim II
I am assuming you are talking about Faramir Took

[jammi567]

yes, i am. your go.

[Acalewia]

Off the top of my head:

How did Elrond know Estel was in love with his daughter?

[Acalewia]

Three days and nobody's gonna try? :(

I didn't think it was that hard, y'all ;)

[Spock]

Off the top of my head:

How did Elrond know Estel was in love with his daughter?

My initial problem with this is I do not remember a character by this name in the book. And if it wasn't mentioned in the context of your quesion then we need a new question. :eek:

[Acalewia]

He refered to once being know by that name.
I'll rephrase:

How did Elrond know Aragorn was in love with his daughter?

[Acalewia]

Four days and I pass the torch. I'll save this question for another time.

[jammi567]

When does bilbo go on his first trip?

[Spock]

When does bilbo go on his first trip?

in the SY 2941, a Thursday in May.

[jammi567]

yeah, that's right, your go.

[Spock]

Quickly: "who were skilled in tongues, learning them swiftly"?

[Spock]

COME NOW 4 days and no guesses? :(

[Spock]

I Am Tossing This Topic Open For Whomever Wishes To Post A Question

[Acalewia]

Trying this one again:

How did Elrond know Aragorn was in love with his daughter?

[Spock]

:( :( :(

[Acalewia]

Why don't you make a guess, Spock?

[Spock]

21,21,21,21,21,THREE WEEKS, THREE WEEKS

Please, anyone, post a new question.

not me

[Acalewia]

Does anyone check this thread?

[jammi567]

Doesn't look like it. Apart from Spock.

[Spock]

That's why I've given up on the trivia. If members aren't interested in it or are busy with school, etc. I'm not going to force the topic to move. :(

[Acalewia]

New question

What is the name of Eomer' son?

[Serenoli]

Eomer has a son!!! :eek: How come I never read it?

Oh, wait, this is Appendix Trivia... I probably could answer it if I looked it up. Am I allowed?

[Acalewia]

:confused:

[Serenoli]

Sorry I confused you. I thought at first it was Two Towers trivia, and was bewildered that Eomer's son had just walked past without me noticing. In Appendix, though, its a highly different matter.

Anyway, his son was Elfwine the Fair.

[Acalewia]

You got it! Your go, Serenoli

You didn't confuse me. That was because I didn't know if you were allowed to look up answers

[Serenoli]

Oh, I see...

Well, here's a simple question. Who did Sam give the Red Book to before he sailed away from Middle-Earth?

[jammi567]

His eldest daughter

[Serenoli]

You're correct... but if you give her name you get a bonus point. :rolleyes:

And, the ball's in your court now. :)

[Spock]

Elanor.

And, I'm not getting these posts until almost an 8 hr period later. :confused:

[jammi567]

Now that i've got them in front of me: what does Nahald mean?

[Spock]

Now that i've got them in front of me: what does Nahald mean?

NAHALD-is Mannish meaning "secret".

Deagol is a translation into Old English of the Northern Mannish name of Nahald.

That should clear it up for you. :D

[jammi567]

Have to check that later.

[Valandil]

... If members aren't interested in it or are busy with school, etc. I'm not going to force the topic to move. :(

Agreed. I really think that's the best way to handle the trivia threads... let them rise and fall naturally, and let people play as they please.

After all, this is the "LOTR Books Forum" - not the "LOTR Books Trivia Forum". There's a lot else here, and the trivia threads should not get any special treatment.

I will submit some ideas for our trivia threads along these lines to SGH and see what she thinks, then work up some new guidelines and post them shortly.

[jammi567]

That sounds good.

[Valandil]

*Bump*

Anyone like to play? :)