Nation States - The Great Continent of Entmoot

[jerseydevil]

Jonathan showed me this and we wanted to ask others to join us.

Go check out http://www.nationstates.net/

We created our own Continent called - "The Great Continent of Entmoot" which you can join us in. You will need the password - "swedenusa" to move into the continent.

here are some things from the FAQ to give you an idea of the game...


So what is this?
Jennifer Government: NationStates is a nation simulation game. You create your own country, fashioned after your own ideals, and care for its people. Either that or you deliberately torture them. It's really up to you.

Is it really free?
Yes, it really is.

Is it a serious political thing, or just for fun?
Well, you can play it either way. NationStates does have humorous bent, but that's just because international politics is so inherently funny.

How do I play?
Click on the Create a Nation link and follow it from there. You'll be asked to choose a name for your nation, a motto, a national animal, and a currency. Then you answer a short questionnaire about your politics. This will determine what sort of nation you end up with: authoritarian or permissive... left-wing or right-wing... compassionate or psychotic... you get the idea.

Once a day, you'll be faced with an issue, and need to make a decision as to what to do about it. This determines how your nation evolves.

Since there is so much political discussion on Entmoot - I thought this might be interesting for us to do. It isn't very involved - so it should only take a little bit to manage your country.

Check it out and I hope to see you in "The Great Continent of Entmoot"

NOTE - this is only a fun thing - but we can discuss issues here too - as well as in the Nation States site. I think the more people we attract - the better it will be.


Countries of The Great Continent of Entmoot

The Republic of Great New Jersey - President JerseyDevil
....Corporate Bordello
...."Liberty and Prosperity"
....Civil Rights: Excellent
....Economy: Powerhouse
....Political Freedoms: Superb

The Free Land of North Koster - Chancellor Jonathan
....Liberal Democratic Socialists
...."Today Entmoot, Tomorrow the World"
....Civil Rights: Excellent
....Economy: Reasonable
....Political Freedoms: World Benchmark

The Most Serene Republic of Albrester
....Left-wing Utopia
...."All will be well."
....Civil Rights: Superb
....Economy: Basket Case
....Political Freedoms: Superb

The Queendom of Arienissima
....Democratic Socialists
...."We love Arien our Queen! "
....Civil Rights: Some
....Economy: Fragile
....Political Freedoms: Some

The Republic of BeardofPants
....Inoffensive Centrist Democracy
...."In the Pants we trust"
....Civil Rights: Very Good
....Economy: Reasonable
....Political Freedoms: Below Average

The Free Land of Fatmidland
....Inoffensive Centrist Democracy
...."One nation and a million wills"
....Civil Rights: Excellent
....Economy: Very Strong
....Political Freedoms: Below Average

The Empire of Ken Watanabe
....Liberal Democratic Socialists
...."Thranduil Seizes the Day"
....Civil Rights: Some
....Economy: Reasonable
....Political Freedoms: Superb

The Kingdom of LutraMage
....Conservative Democracy
...."Where all may find succour."
....Civil Rights: Some
....Economy: Strong
....Political Freedoms: Superb

The Dictatorship of Millaneia
....Corrupt Dictatorship
...."Destroy, Conquer and Sacrifice for the honor of Millane"
....Civil Rights: Below Average
....Economy: Reasonable
....Political Freedoms: Rare

The Federation of Nurvingieldania - Prime Minister Nurvingiel
....Liberal Democratic Socialists
...."Understanding is a three-edged sword."
....Civil Rights: Some
....Economy: Struggling
....Political Freedoms: World Benchmark

The Armed Republic of Ridgemeadows
....Democratic Socialists
...."A friend with weed is a friend indeed"
....Civil Rights: Below Average
....Economy: Weak
....Political Freedoms: Some

The Republic of Alphlex - Emperor Gollum9630
....Moralistic Democracy
...."Don't criticize my mess unless you're part of it"
....Civil Rights: Some
....Economy: Strong
....Political Freedoms: Excellent

The Queendom of Ravynia
....Conservative Democracy
...."We Do What the Voices in Our Heads Tell Us To!"
....Civil Rights: Few
....Economy: Good
....Political Freedoms: Superb

The Kingdom of The Reunited Dunedain
....Capitalist Paradise
...."Seven stars and seven stones and one white tree."
....Civil Rights: Some
....Economy: Very Strong
....Political Freedoms: Good

The Republic of Ara-Norr - President Valan W. Dil
....New York Times Democracy
...."Keeping the Faith"
....Civil Rights: Some
....Economy: Strong
....Political Freedoms: Excellent

The Republic of Berliozia
....Democratic Socialists
...."Born to serve live to serve"
....Civil Rights: Below Average
....Economy: Fair
....Political Freedoms: Good

The Kingdom of Tristramm - King Hobbit
....Inoffensive Centrist Democracy
...."The guy with the furry feet is always right"
....Civil Rights: Some
....Economy: Reasonable
....Political Freedoms: Some

The Rogue Nation of North Dunelm
....Inoffensive Centrist Democracy
...."Don't Panic"
....Civil Rights: Good
....Economy: Good
....Political Freedoms: Below Average

The Empire of Beornacorfinaanan - Lord Beor the Mighty
....Authoritarian Democracy
...."No one but me can save myself, but its too late"
....Civil Rights: Some
....Economy: Fragile
....Political Freedoms: Below Average

The Empire of Galadradagastia
....UN Category: Democratic Socialists
...."Who cares."
....Civil Rights: Average
....Economy: Reasonable
....Political Freedoms: Some

[Jonathan]

When you create a country, you will be asked a few questions about your political views. These will affect what kind of nation you get.
Read and answer carefully in order to get the kind of country YOU want! (Not like me who happened to answer a few questions 'incorrectly' thus getting a country in which private companies are banned :D)

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Jonathan
When you create a country, you will be asked a few questions about your political views. These will affect what kind of nation you get.
Read and answer carefully in order to get the kind of country YOU want! (Not like me who happened to answer a few questions 'incorrectly' thus getting a country in which private companies are banned :D)
Yes - and I got the country you wanted. :) I just answered my questions honestly. Although some of the things are extreme - my country seems very good to me. :D


The Republic of Great New Jersey

Civil Rights: Excellent
Economy: Powerhouse
Political Freedoms: Superb

The Republic of Great New Jersey is a tiny, economically powerful nation, notable for its complete absence of social welfare. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, intelligent population of 5 million are effectively ruled by a group of massive corporations, who run for political office and provide their well-off citizens with world-class goods and services. Their poorer citizens, however, are mostly starving to death while being urged to go out and get real jobs. The populace has reasonably extensive civil rights, although these are mostly aimed at allowing them to buy whatever they like.

There is no government in the normal sense the word; however, a small group of community-minded, corrupt, pro-business individuals is effectively ruled by the Department of Commerce, with areas such as Religion & Spirituality and Social Welfare receiving almost no funds by comparison. Income tax is unheard of. A powerhouse of a private sector is led by the Information Technology, Uranium Mining, and Retail industries.

Crime is a major problem, and the police force struggles against a lack of funding and a high mortality rate. Great New Jersey's national animal is the peregrin falcon, which teeters on the brink of extinction due to widespread deforestation, and its currency is the dollar.



The Great Continent of Entmoot

World Factbook Entry: The Continent of Entmoot was first settled by the people of the Republic of Great New Jersey on January 27, 2004, founded by Robert the JerseyDevil. There soon followed an upsurge in the development of other countries, the first of which was The Free Land of North Koster. North Koster was founded by Jonathan the Great on January 27, 2004, moments after the founding of The Republic of Great New Jersey. These two great friends have joined to create a great continent with other mooters.

[LutraMage]

Guys this looks great, but when I tried to login to "The Great Continent of Entmoot" I got a message saying no such country existed. What am I doing wrong? :confused:

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by LutraMage
Guys this looks great, but when I tried to login to "The Great Continent of Entmoot" I got a message saying no such country existed. What am I doing wrong? :confused:
After you create your country - you need to click "move to new region" - then you can enter "The Great Continent of Entmoot" and join the continent.

[Arien the Maia]

Here's my country of Arienissima!

UN Category: Democratic Socialists
Civil Rights: Some Economy: Fragile Political Freedoms: Some

Location: the Pacific

The Queendom of Arienissima is a tiny, devout nation, notable for its devotion to social welfare. Its compassionate population of 5 million are fiercely patriotic and enjoy great social equality; they tend to view other, more capitalist countries as somewhat immoral and corrupt.

The government -- a sprawling, bureaucracy-choked, socially-minded morass -- is mainly concerned with Social Welfare, although Religion & Spirituality and Healthcare are secondary priorities. The average income tax rate is 43%, but much higher for the wealthy. A small but healthy private sector is led by the Trout Farming industry, followed by Door-to-door Insurance Sales and Automobile Manufacturing.

Crime -- especially youth-related -- is totally unknown. Arienissima's national animal is the beagle, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests, and its currency is the fire.

[jerseydevil]

Arien the Maia - move to the entmoot continent. The password is "swedenusa". But if you don't want to move to our continent - then that is okay too I suppose. :)

[Arien the Maia]

where is the "move to a new region" link?

[thranduil]

ya where is it

[Arien the Maia]

never mind I found it...you ahev to go to your region first and then theres a link there to move

[jerseydevil]

...visit your current region's page and click the link that says, "Tired of life in (your region)? Then move to a new region!"


You should see - "Pacific" - under your country name on the left hand side. Click on that to move to the Entmoot Continent.

[Arien the Maia]

I have moved my tiny little country to the Great Continent of Entmoot!

[thranduil]

nevermind

Location: The Great Continent of Entmoot
The Holy Empire of Ken Watanabe is a tiny, environmentally stunning nation, notable for its strong anti-business politics. Its hard-nosed, intelligent population of 5 million love a good election, and the government gives them plenty of them. Universities tend to be full of students debating the merits of various civil and political rights, while businesses are tightly regulated and the wealthy viewed with suspicion.

The enormous government devotes most of its attentions to Law & Order, with areas such as Social Welfare and Religion & Spirituality receiving almost no funds by comparison. The average income tax rate is 32%, but much higher for the wealthy. Private enterprise is illegal, but for those in the know there is a slick and highly efficient black market in Gambling.

Crime is moderate. Ken Watanabe's national animal is the balrog, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests, and its currency is the gold coins.

[Valandil]

I created my nation, but updates have been slogging along... so I got off and now can't log back on. Is the rush from Entmoot making their server crash?

Or is it me? :)

[thranduil]

no its not the surge of mooters most likely your connection

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Valandil
I created my nation, but updates have been slogging along... so I got off and now can't log back on. Is the rush from Entmoot making their server crash?

Or is it me? :)
I had a slow time where it was timing out a bit - but then it would be fine.

[LutraMage]

Phew! Got there in the end. Apologies about the unoriginal country name, but I kept getting names that had already been taken (even some really way out imaginary names) so I got bored and plumbed for the obvious choice.

Will be interested to see how this develops.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by LutraMage
Phew! Got there in the end. Apologies about the unoriginal country name, but I kept getting names that had already been taken (even some really way out imaginary names) so I got bored and plumbed for the obvious choice.

yeah - I just wanted The Republic of New Jersey - but it said that was taken, so I added great in front of it. Your's is about as imaginative as mine. :) But would anyone expect anything less. Jonathan's is named after the island where his cabin is.

Will be interested to see how this develops.
I think it will be. I'm wondering how many people have joined the UN.

BTW - I think Jonathan will be surprised at how quickly this took off. :)

[LutraMage]

Yep, five nations already and growing! I can't wait until we have our first election for a UN representative. Er...correction, six nations already and growing! We're going to outgrow NATO at this rate!:D

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by LutraMage
Yep, five nations already and growing! I can't wait until we have our first election for a UN representative. Er...correction, six nations already and growing! We're going to outgrow NATO at this rate!:D
I haven't joined the UN yet - not sure if I will. I want to see how it works and where the political views of the UN lie before making a decision. I don't want outsiders making decisions for my soveriegn country. :D

Hopefully the countries that make up The Great Continent of Entmoot can be more cooperative than the ones that make up the EU. :p

[Elf Girl]

I created my country. It won't let me get to the Change Regions page, but I will when I can.

My economy is a basket case. Bah. I never liked economy anyway. (;)) And it's all in fun, so I made it a bit more liberal than I am. (Yes, that's possible.)

So, is there going to be a lot of political strife? What've we got with regard to liberal/conservative?

I named mine, 'Most Serene Republic of Albrester'. Where I got 'Albrester' is a long story, but if you must know it comes from a baffling website to be found here (http://www.user.dccnet.com/vtrade/HomePage.html).

[gimli7410]

im trying to join it but every name i choose is reserved:rolleyes:

[Nurvingiel]

This is so cool! I'm going to join too.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Elf Girl
I created my country. It won't let me get to the Change Regions page, but I will when I can.

Welcome aboard when you join the Great Continent of Entmoot. :D

My economy is a basket case. Bah. I never liked economy anyway. (;)) And it's all in fun, so I made it a bit more liberal than I am. (Yes, that's possible.)

That is surprising. :p ;)

So, is there going to be a lot of political strife?

No - the goal is not to have a lot of politcal strife. It should be kept fun. There could be some political discussions - but hopefully nothing that will result in war or people leaving the continent. We need to work together to make our continent great.

What've we got with regard to liberal/conservative?

LutraMage and I are more conservative. Jonathan is unhappy with his nation because his ended up not following his political beliefs and is too liberal (he has private corporations banend. :p) Everyone else I think is on the liberal side.

[Elf Girl]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
That is surprising. :p ;)
O, hush. ;)

So, I finally managed to move. And I swear I'm trying to fix my economy. Really. Yeah.

[gimli7410]

how do i get directly to the entmoot continent:confused:

nvm i saw elf girl join it

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by gimli7410
how do i get directly to the entmoot continent:confused:
On the left hand side you should have a link under your country name - "Pacific" click on that and then it will bring you to the region page. Click on "move to new region" and enter in "The Great Continent of Entmoot" This should bring you to our page where to join you have to supply a password - "swedenusa"

Since I created the continent - I didn't have to do this - so if this is incorrect can someone who has actually gone through this - help Gimli out?

[Nurvingiel]

National Motto: "Understanding is a three-edged sword."

UN Category: Liberal Democratic Socialists
Civil Rights: Some
Economy: Struggling
Political Freedoms: World Benchmark

Location: the Pacific
The Federation of Nurvingieldania is a tiny, environmentally stunning nation, remarkable for its devotion to social welfare. Its hard-nosed, intelligent population of 5 million love a good election, and the government gives them plenty of them. Universities tend to be full of students debating the merits of various civil and political rights, while businesses are tightly regulated and the wealthy viewed with suspicion.

It is difficult to tell where the omnipresent, corrupt, socially-minded government stops and the rest of society begins, but it juggles the competing demands of Social Welfare, Healthcare, and Education. The average income tax rate is 48%, but much higher for the wealthy. Private enterprise is illegal, but for those in the know there is a slick and highly efficient black market in Information Technology.

Crime is totally unknown, thanks to a well-funded police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare. Nurvingieldania's national animal is the squirrel, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests, and its currency is the tree.

Now I'll just join the Entmoot continent and we'll be all set!
Did anyone else get the issue "Should Democracy Be Compulsory?"

[BeardofPants]

BoP in da house!

"In the Pants we trust"


UN Category: Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Civil Rights: Very Good
Economy: Reasonable
Political Freedoms: Below Average

The Republic of BeardofPants is a tiny, socially progressive nation, remarkable for its burgeoning the wooly trousers population. Its compassionate population of 5 million have some civil rights, but not too many, enjoy the freedom to spend their money however they like, to a point, and take part in free and open elections, although not too often.


The large government juggles the competing demands of Healthcare, Social Welfare, and Education. The average income tax rate is 23%, but much higher for the wealthy. A small private sector is dominated by the Furniture Restoration industry.


Crime is moderate, and the police force struggles against a lack of funding and a high mortality rate. BeardofPants's national animal is the the wooly trousers and its currency is the pantsmach.

Heh - just cos I disagreed that democracy was the only way... *snicker*

[Elf Girl]

Did everyone get the Should Democracy Be Compulsary issue? I did.

[Nurvingiel]

The Republic of BeardofPants is a tiny, socially progressive nation, remarkable for its burgeoning the wooly trousers population.
What is "burgeoning", and why are you doing it to your national animal? :D

All the tree related names I wanted were taken. (Argh I thought of one now. I bet no one took Myccorhizae or myccorhizal fungi. Oh well.)

[Millane]

the dictatorship of Millaneia is taking its time to load and i blame the filthy serfs that inhabit it, oooh there gunna pay when im in control

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Elf Girl
Did everyone get the Should Democracy Be Compulsary issue? I did.
Everyone gets that as their first issue. Not sure if all the issues go in the same order or if the rest are random though.

[Millane]

WOOOO! NOW COMES THE GOLDEN AGE OF MILLANE:D
population of 5 million are ruled with an iron fist by the dictatorship government, thats right, and its my iron fist:D

[Millane]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Everyone gets that as their first issue. Not sure if all the issues go in the same order or if the rest are random though. i think she was meaning the contradiction of making democracy compulsory.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Millane
i think she was meaning the contradiction of making democracy compulsory.
I don't understand making it a law that everyone is required to vote - but doesn't Australia have forced voting?

[Millane]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
I don't understand making it a law that everyone is required to vote - but doesn't Australia have forced voting? yepa and we're screwed up, thats why im disowning australia and living in a computer as a wealthy dictator:D

[Elf Girl]

Originally posted by Millane
i think she was meaning the contradiction of making democracy compulsory.
Huh? I just meant did everyone get that as the title of their first issue.

[jerseydevil]

We have expanded to 12 countries in 3 hours. Welcome everyone. :)


Countries of The Great Coninent of Entmoot

The Republic of Great New Jersey
....Corporate Bordello
...."Liberty and Prosperity"

The Free Land of North Koster
....Liberal Democratic Socialists
...."In the interest of the people"

The Most Serene Republic of Albrester
....Left-wing Utopia
...."All will be well."

The Queendom of Arienissima
....Democratic Socialists
...."We love Arien our Queen! "

The Republic of BeardofPants
....Inoffensive Centrist Democracy
...."In the Pants we trust"

The Free Land of Fatmidland
....Inoffensive Centrist Democracy
...."One nation and a million wills"

The Empire of Ken Watanabe
....Liberal Democratic Socialists
...."Thranduil Seizes the Day"

The Kingdom of LutraMage
....Conservative Democracy
...."Where all may find succour."

The Dictatorship of Millaneia
....Corrupt Dictatorship
...."Destroy, Conquer and Sacrifice for the honor of Millane"

The Federation of Nurvingieldania
....Liberal Democratic Socialists
...."Understanding is a three-edged sword."

The Armed Republic of Ridgemeadows
....Democratic Socialists
...."A friend with weed is a friend indeed"

The Republic of Alphlex
....Moralistic Democracy
...."Don't criticize my mess unless you're part of it"

[gollum9630]

yes, just joined, "the rebublic of alphlex"

[Nurvingiel]

LOL Millane. My government also took the position that it defeats the purpose of democracy to force people to vote. If someone chooses not to have a hand in shaping the government, that's their choice. (You seem to have circumvented democracy altogether Millane. ;) )

However, it seems that my citizens enjoy elections, so there will probably be a high voter turn-out.

Is there any way we can initiate a new law, or do we have to wait for the issue to come up? (Interesting how there were three points of view on my first issue, and my countries motto is "Understanding is a three edged sword.")

I want to pass a law allowing small businesses. People should be allowed to run or own small businesses. However, I want to have a cap of $1'000'000 on the wealth one person (and a corporation counts as one person). One million dollars is more than enough.

If someone finds themselves with too much money, they can donate to one of my countries many well-run non-bureaucratic charities, such as the Non-Essential Health-Care for the Needy (NENCN) charity.

I want to have free health care for everyone for emergency health care (broken arms etc.), and absolutely necessary things like liver transplants, skin grafts for burn victims, cancer treatment. (Income tax is high here (48%) maybe that's why.)

People have to pay for their own optical health, but low income people would get a certain amount of assistance. (Like welfare, but just for healthcare. I still have to work on that.) People who can afford it have to pay for their own non-essential health care.

I also want to legalize euthanasia. Keeping someone on life support will be part of government-funded health care.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by gollum9630
yes, just joined, "the rebublic of alphlex"
I added you to the list. 12 countries now. :)

I may put the listing of countries on the first post and just add the countries as people join.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Is there any way we can initiate a new law, or do we have to wait for the issue to come up?
You have to wait until it comes up. You can suggest something to be added to the propositions. But that doesn't guarantee that it will be accepted as a new proposition or how long it will take to go through the queue to come up for a vote.

[thranduil]

ive been invited to new continents all ready but turned um all down, at least for now

[Dúnedain]

Ok this thread is way too long already. I missed all of it. Can someone give me a summary? :D

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by thranduil
ive been invited to new continents all ready but turned um all down, at least for now
Well hopefully you will join OUR continent - The Great Continent of Entmoot.

Dunedain - most of the details are on the first page of what to do. Basically just set up a country and then move to The Great Continent fo Entmoot.

This has really taken off.

[Nurvingiel]

Basically, read JDs beginning post, and create your own country at NationStates.

Then move it to the continent of The Great Continent of Entmoot using its password: swedenusa

You do this after you've made your country, and are assigned a random location such as The Pacific.

To move to Entmoot:
Log in, and click the name of your country.
Click on your location (like The Pacific) and select "move to a new region"
Then you can enter the password and head off the The Great Continent of Entmoot!

[Millane]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
(You seem to have circumvented democracy altogether Millane. ;) ) wouldnt be much of a dictator if i didnt:p im fed up with my serfs, they only have to pay 33%tax:eek: i want that trippled (or at least doubled:rolleyes: ) how am i supposed to oppress when they are still making enough Holy Millanes to support themselves, i want total control...
...."Destroy, Conquer and Sacrifice for the honor of Millane" i havent seen destroying, conquering or sacrificing yet, how can a punish my country:confused:

[thranduil]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Well hopefully you will join OUR continent - The Great Continent of Entmoot.





maybe you didn't notice but i was the fourth to join TGCoE. Arien barely beat me. Thranduil aka Ken Watanabe from Last Samurai.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by thranduil
maybe you didn't notice but i was the fourth to join TGCoE. Arien barely beat me. Thranduil aka Ken Watanabe from Last Samurai.
Okay - I lost track of who was who on the list. That's cool.

[Millane]

Originally posted by thranduil
maybe you didn't notice but i was the fourth to join TGCoE. Arien barely beat me. Thranduil aka Ken Watanabe from Last Samurai. your cool, who could ever dream of being better than Katsumoto, not this lowly dictator
P.S Ujios just as cool, it should have been Ken Watanabe and Hiroyuki Senada:eek:
wooo i customised my flag so my serfs can proudly look up to me on every street corner and house were my flag is proudly waved:p

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Millane
your cool, who could ever dream of being better than Katsumoto, not this lowly dictator
P.S Ujios just as cool, it should have been Ken Watanabe and Hiroyuki Senada:eek:
wooo i customised my flag so my serfs can proudly look up to me on every street corner and house were my flag is proudly waved:p
You are so evil. :) But on Entmoot I'm the most evil. :D

By the way - the system doesn't prevent duplicate posts when you reload the page. it's something to watch out for. It's reposted my stuff twice because I have reloaded the page after entering a message.

[thranduil]

Originally posted by Millane
your cool, who could ever dream of being better than Katsumoto, not this lowly dictator
P.S Ujios just as cool, it should have been Ken Watanabe and Hiroyuki Senada:eek:
wooo i customised my flag so my serfs can proudly look up to me on every street corner and house were my flag is proudly waved:p

oh ya me and you are about the only people who saw the last samurai.

[thranduil]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
You are so evil. :) But on Entmoot I'm the most evil. :D

By the way - the system doesn't prevent duplicate posts when you reload the page. it's something to watch out for. It's reposted my stuff twice because I have reloaded the page after entering a message.

I was wondering if you thought by posting it twice everyone would listen to you.

I wish the new game was out, sounds really cool.

[Millane]

Originally posted by thranduil
oh ya me and you are about the only people who saw the last samurai. nope i think me and you are the only ones who have seen it and liked it:( my friend has the same birthday as Hiroyuki Senada:)
You are so evil. But on Entmoot I'm the most evil. well what can i say, at least my dictatorship is keeping Millaneia's crime down, whereas the Great New Jersey is rampant with criminals:p How can you expect to be treated with God-like status when you neglect your Religion and Spiritual areas, tsk tsk;)

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Millane
well what can i say, at least my dictatorship is keeping Millaneia's crime down, whereas the Great New Jersey is rampant with criminals:p How can you expect to be treated with God-like status when you neglect your Religion and Spiritual areas, tsk tsk;)
Hey - I just feel that religion and spirituality is a personal thing and should not be supported or infringed upon by the government. I think the government should stay out of it completely. :D

[jerseydevil]

For all those involved - you should look at this thread in their forum...

New to NationStates? (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29774&start=0)

[Millane]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Hey - I just feel that religion and spirituality is a personal thing and should not be supported or infringed upon by the government. I think the government should stay out of it completely. :D not if your government and religion are the same thing, as in my case i am dictator and God, i use my government powers to enforce my religion on to them and make them honor me as a God:D hehehe beat that mr evil

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Millane
not if your government and religion are the same thing, as in my case i am dictator and God, i use my government powers to enforce my religion on to them and make them honor me as a God:D hehehe beat that mr evil
There is a difference between being evil and being delusional. You are the latter. :p

[gimli7410]

how the hell do i get my country better:confused: :p

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by gimli7410
how the hell do i get my country better:confused: :p
As bills (issues) come up - you have to pass them.

This is what i sent to Nurvingiel, because she's not happy with her country either.


The only way to change your country is through the laws you pass. The initial government is determined by the way you answered your questions up front. Jonathan isn't at all happy with his country.


Make sure you have two issues per day - that will bring abotu quicker change. It will probably take a day (midnight) for the system to calculate the changes - so you won't see them immediatedly.

[gimli7410]

oh okay.thanx :D and here is my countries stats

the armed republic of ridgemeadows

"a friend with weed is a friend indeed"

The Armed Republic of Ridgemeadows is a tiny, safe nation, notable for its absence of drug laws. Its hard-nosed population of 5 million are fiercely patriotic and enjoy great social equality; they tend to view other, more capitalist countries as somewhat immoral and corrupt.

The government -- a sprawling, bureaucracy-choked, socially-minded morass -- concentrates mainly on Religion & Spirituality, although Healthcare and Social Welfare are on the agenda. The average income tax rate is 42%, but much higher for the wealthy. A small but healthy private sector is led by the Trout Farming industry, followed by Arms Manufacturing and Retail.

Crime is relatively low. Ridgemeadows's national animal is the werewolf, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests, and its currency is the dollar.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by gimli7410
oh okay.thanx :D how do you get more issues though
On the left hand side - under your country name - click on "Settings" down at the bottom you can change the number of issues you receive per day or week.

[Arien the Maia]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Welcome aboard when you join the Great Continent of Entmoot. :D

That is surprising. :p ;)

No - the goal is not to have a lot of politcal strife. It should be kept fun. There could be some political discussions - but hopefully nothing that will result in war or people leaving the continent. We need to work together to make our continent great.

LutraMage and I are more conservative. Jonathan is unhappy with his nation because his ended up not following his political beliefs and is too liberal (he has private corporations banend. :p) Everyone else I think is on the liberal side.

my little Queendom is very peaceful with Beagles running around freely in the forests!...we have hardly any crime and my people are loyal(for now:p )

[Lady Ravyn]

this is so awesome! i want my queendom to have more rights, though.

The Queendom of Ravynia
We Do What the Voices in Our Heads Tell UsTo!

Location: The Great Continent of Entmoot (:D )

The Queendom of Ravynia is a tiny, devout nation, renowned for its burgeoning turtle population. Its hard-nosed, intelligent population of 5 millionare known throughout the region for their efficiency and work ethic, as well as their general suspicion of leisure.
The enormous, corrupt government juggles the competing demands of Religion and Spirituality, Law and Order, and Healthcare. The average income tax rate is 30%. A small private sector is dominated by the Soda Sales industry.
Crime is moderate.Ravynia's national animal is the turtle, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests, and its currency is the dollar.

[jerseydevil]

Just to let you know - in the first post is a listing of all the countries and then also their stats.

[Nurvingiel]

Thanks for keeping that list JD, it helps see how our super continent is doing.

I'm confused about my country now. I thought people weren't allowed to own businesses because of this:
Private enterprise is illegal, but for those in the know there is a slick and highly efficient black market in Information Technology.

But then they must be legal due to this line:
... while businesses are tightly regulated and the wealthy viewed with suspicion.

What's the difference between private enterprise and business? I'm fine with having tightly regulated business (though maybe that's why my economy sucks), but I want them to be legal.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Thanks for keeping that list JD, it helps see how our super continent is doing.

Yeah - it'll change every day probably as people pass bills.

I'm confused about my country now. I thought people weren't allowed to own businesses because of this:

Private enterprise is illegal, but for those in the know there is a slick and highly efficient black market in Information Technology.

But then they must be legal due to this line:

... while businesses are tightly regulated and the wealthy viewed with suspicion.


Well highly regulated businesses may be owned by the country too. It seems as if your country does not allow very good free enterprise for people to do what they want and become who they want.

What's the difference between private enterprise and business?

Private enterprise is one that isn't owned by the government. A business may be owned by the government though.

I'm fine with having tightly regulated business (though maybe that's why my economy sucks), but I want them to be legal.
Yup - free enterprise makes an economy more healthy and produce more money for people.

[Nurvingiel]

Well I hope some business laws come up soon! I want to let people have their own businesses. Not only is it unfair that the government gets to run all the business, but I also think it makes us overly bureaucratic. In addition, I don't think the government should run any businesses! We should provide services and regulate non-grovernment businesses, but things like liquor stores should be privately owned.

[Dúnedain]

OMG! I am so mad, someone has my Kingdom Name! :mad:

[thranduil]

back to entmoot, alright nurv. no we can't trade unless your role playing in the forums and it has no effect on your country obvously. But I'm quite sure we just keep answering the issues which will probably become more complex. I'm at two a day. so i hope to get my civil rights a little better sometime soon.

[Nurvingiel]

Me too! It's ridiculous that I have poor civil rights. And illegal businesses. Just because I think corporations do more harm than good doesn't mean I don't want any business in my country.

This law has the predictable effect of increasing corporate crime, and corruption within the government.

This is probably the root of my lousy economy and my unhappy citizens.

[thranduil]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Well I hope some business laws come up soon! I want to let people have their own businesses. Not only is it unfair that the government gets to run all the business, but I also think it makes us overly bureaucratic. In addition, I don't think the government should run any businesses! We should provide services and regulate non-grovernment businesses, but things like liquor stores should be privately owned.

well you brought it on yourself, john did warn how much those first questions will affect your country. But it will probably take a while to make some of the changes your looking for.

[Nurvingiel]

I answered the questions thoughtfully and honestly, it just gave me a result that is against my beliefs.

But as I pass laws I'm sure my country will improve.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
I answered the questions thoughtfully and honestly, it just gave me a result that is against my beliefs.

But as I pass laws I'm sure my country will improve.
yeah - as you pass laws - things should get better - just may take a little while - but you should see some improvement.

[thranduil]

maybe we should start an uprival, revolt, if only BB was here he would start a continent up against yours with movie lovers, that would be fun. But I wouldn't be on the movie lovers or haters continent., so nevermind.

[Dúnedain]

Damnit! Every name I pick is taken for my Kingdom! :mad:

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
Damnit! Every name I pick is taken for my Kingdom! :mad:
what names have you tried? I just put "Great" in front of mine and it worked.

[Dúnedain]

Finally got a name, lol, 26 years later :D


The Kingdom of The Reunited Dunedain
"Seven stars and seven stones and one white tree."

UN Category: Capitalist Paradise
Civil Rights: Some Economy: Very Strong Political Freedoms: Good

Location: The Great Continent of Entmoot
The Kingdom of The Reunited Dunedain is a tiny, economically powerful nation, remarkable for its barren, inhospitable landscape. Its hard-nosed, hard-working population of 5 million are either ruled by a small, efficient government or a conglomerate of multinational corporations; it's difficult to tell which.

The small government juggles the competing demands of Law & Order, Religion & Spirituality, and Defence. Citizens pay a flat income tax of 5%. A substantial private sector is led by the Door-to-door Insurance Sales industry, followed by Uranium Mining and Arms Manufacturing.

Crime is a serious problem. The Reunited Dunedain's national animal is the swan and its currency is the dunedac.

[Dúnedain]

I updated my settings to 2 issues per day, did anyone else do this as well? I figured I need to get some stuff rolling :D

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
I updated my settings to 2 issues per day, did anyone else do this as well? I figured I need to get some stuff rolling :D
Yeah - I think most of us did. I know I did and I have been recommending it to people who have not liked their country's stats.

I added your country stats to the first post in the thread.

[hectorberlioz]

Location: the Pacific The Republic of Berliozia is a tiny, environmentally stunning nation, renowned for its absence of drug laws. Its hard-nosed population of 5 million are fiercely patriotic and enjoy great social equality; they tend to view other, more capitalist countries as somewhat immoral and corrupt. The enormous government devotes most of its attentions to Law & Order, with areas such as Social Welfare and Religion & Spirituality receiving almost no funds by comparison. The average income tax rate is 36%, but much higher for the wealthy. A substantial private sector is led by the Uranium Mining industry, followed by Arms Manufacturing and Book Publishing. Crime is moderate. Berliozia's national animal is the bear, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests, and its currency is the berliozti.

:p :D

[thranduil]

I noticed your not in our Continent?!?

[jerseydevil]

I noticed that too.

[Valandil]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
I had a slow time where it was timing out a bit - but then it would be fine.

OK, I'm in now... safely in 'The Great Continent of Entmoot'. Here's my country:

The Republic of Ara-Norr is a tiny, devout nation, renowned for its barren, inhospitable landscape. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, intelligent population of 5 million enjoy a sensible mix of personal and economic freedoms, while the political process is open and the people's right to vote held sacrosanct.

The medium-sized government juggles the competing demands of Religion & Spirituality, Law & Order, and Healthcare. Citizens pay a flat income tax of 16%. A large private sector is led by the Basket Weaving industry, followed by Woodchip Exports and Arms Manufacturing.

Crime is a problem. Ara-Norr's national animal is the eagle and its currency is the minas.


Crime, huh? Time for a crack-down!!! ;)

Dunedain, I think we're 'sister-nations'! :D

There sure are a lot of 'hard-nosed' populations around here! :)

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Valandil
OK, I'm in now... safely in 'The Great Continent of Entmoot'. Here's my country:

Cool - I added your stats to the front page. I was wondering who was Republic of Ara-Norr. :)

[Dúnedain]

I wish I could use my own link for my flag, making an image 6kb is damn hard, especially something I want, lol...

It's easier on normal things, but I, of course need to pick something complicated and with higher pixel counts :D


Val, my Kingdom is bigger than yours, neener neener neener :p

[thranduil]

it took you (valandil) like six hours to get in. lol, slow computer eh?

[hectorberlioz]

part of it now.:D

[jerseydevil]

Hector - I added you to the first post. We now have 16 nations in the Great Continent of Entmoot.

[thranduil]

new issue coming out for me in about 17 hours or 1 hour, not sure if it takes 24 hours from the time you joined, or untill it hits 12:01 am for the new issue to come

[Dúnedain]

These issues are slow, is it a full 24 hours?

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
These issues are slow, is it a full 24 hours?
I have mine set on two a day. They will process during the course of the night - of course this depends on what part of the world the server is. I think it's in the US though - not sure if it's east or west cost though.

The system will then calculate the results - we will also then get our first UN report and all that. The UN report will show who joined the UN, as well as additional information about the countries and the continent in general.

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain

Val, my Kingdom is bigger than yours, neener neener neener :p

How so? Don't we both have 5 million hard-nosed, hard-working people? :)

btw - I decided to be 'The United States of Ara-Norr' - times change, ya know... and this IS the 21st century! Hmmm - wonder if I can send some anti-monarchists over to... nah! Then you population WOULD be bigger! Oh, and my motto: "Keeping the Faith"

Funny - kept timing out on the region thing at work, where I have DSL, but had no trouble with the at-home dial-up! :confused:

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Valandil
How so? Don't we both have 5 million hard-nosed, hard-working people? :)

btw - I decided to be 'The United States of Ara-Norr' - times change, ya know... and this IS the 21st century! Hmmm - wonder if I can send some anti-monarchists over to... nah! Then you population WOULD be bigger! Oh, and my motto: "Keeping the Faith"

Funny - kept timing out on the region thing at work, where I have DSL, but had no trouble with the at-home dial-up! :confused:

Mine is bigger cuz you are only Arnor, but I am the Reunited :p

nice motto, I was gonna make my Kingdom "The Faithful Numenoreans" :D

[Nurvingiel]

I put mine to 2 issues a day too.

Did anyone join the UN? Personally, I won't until our region is powerful and has a Regional Delegate. Even then, I'm not sure if I want to.

[Dúnedain]

It's funny reading what everyone's currency is, lol.

Mine is the "Dunedac" :p

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
It's funny reading what everyone's currency is, lol.

Mine is the "Dunedac" :p
Mine is the ole trusty dollar. :)

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
Mine is bigger cuz you are only Arnor, but I am the Reunited :p

nice motto, I was gonna make my Kingdom "The Faithful Numenoreans" :D

Wonder how we both got 'barren, inhospitable landscape'... if that's from some random stuff (like my 'wood-chip' businesses - and are you the one where the economy is based on door-to-door salesmen? :D ) or if it's a determination made by how we answered the questions.

General: checked out UN page... countries dropping like flies! Is that what happens when you stop 'checking in'?

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
It's funny reading what everyone's currency is, lol.

Mine is the "Dunedac" :p

I took 'minas' - because it has a Middle Earth meaning ('tower' - esp as in Minas Ithil, Anor, Tirith - and Annuminas - but in some parts of the Bible, that word is a currency (though I think it's plural with the 's'). Wanna switch to the 'minas'??:)

[jerseydevil]

Can everyone please supply me with your country and title you wish to have. I'm going to add Ruler category to the country listing.

For instance mine will be "President JerseyDevil"

This will allow us to know who rules what countries - plus you can have your own official title too.

[Nurvingiel]

If you don't check in for 28 days, your country is deleted. Think of your poor people. You can set yourself to vacation mode, but it only lasts for 60 days. Don't worry though - if you have to leave on vacation for more than 2 months, we'll take care of your country. (Or maybe we won't because we're jealous of your 2 month vacation.)

My currency is the Leaf.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Valandil
Wonder how we both got 'barren, inhospitable landscape'... if that's from some random stuff (like my 'wood-chip' businesses - and are you the one where the economy is based on door-to-door salesmen? :D ) or if it's a determination made by how we answered the questions.

I got inhospitable landscape too. it's from industry and being business friendly.

General: checked out UN page... countries dropping like flies! Is that what happens when you stop 'checking in'?
You can leave the Un - but you do have to check in on your country once every month I think.

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel

My currency is the Leaf.

Oh my! As in 'maple'? Or weed? Or 'fig leaf'? :D

[Valandil]

I'll stick with just one issue per day... that much less I can goof up! :p

JD, just for fun, I'll be 'President Valan W. Dil'! :D

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Can everyone please supply me with your country and title you wish to have. I'm going to add Ruler category to the country listing.

For instance mine will be "President JerseyDevil"

This will allow us to know who rules what countries - plus you can have your own official title too.

<---- Ar-Dunedain :D

[Dúnedain]

Yaaaaaaaaay! I just had my second issue :D

My military/defense has just gotten bigger once the legislation passes :p

[Nurvingiel]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Can everyone please supply me with your country and title you wish to have. I'm going to add Ruler category to the country listing.

For instance mine will be "President JerseyDevil"

This will allow us to know who rules what countries - plus you can have your own official title too.
Prime Minister Nurvingiel

hm... I noticed we both adopted the leaders title's from our own countries. I wonder how much Nurvingieldania will differ from Canada.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
<---- Ar-Dunedain :D
You want that as your title name then?

Valandil & Nurvingiel - I got yours changed.

By the way - for mine I was was thinking of Supreme Omnipotent Leader Jerseydevil. :D

[Nurvingiel]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
I haven't joined the UN yet - not sure if I will. I want to see how it works and where the political views of the UN lie before making a decision. I don't want outsiders making decisions for my soveriegn country. :D
That's what stops me. Maybe if all the Entmoot countries joined and sent a delegate, our own voice in the UN wouldn't allow our rights to be stampeded. But we can cross that bridge when we come to it.

I legalized euthanasia in my country by passing the "Dying with Dignity" bill. Why didn't I get 2 issues? I changed that setting before I got my new issue.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
That's what stops me. Maybe if all the Entmoot countries joined and sent a delegate, our own voice in the UN wouldn't allow our rights to be stampeded. But we can cross that bridge when we come to it.

There are thousands of members in the UN I think. Not all vote though. Have to explore the UN thing before we do anything drastic with it.

I legalized euthanasia in my country by passing the "Dying with Dignity" bill. Why didn't I get 2 issues? I changed that setting before I got my new issue.
I don't think the 2 issues come at one time. We also get random issues. Mine and Jonathan were suprisingly the same. Dunedain and you seem to have had different ones.

[gollum9630]

oh yah, just so you know, i have copy righted Emperor, you can be Emperess, but not emperor©

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by gollum9630
oh yah, just so you know, i have copy righted Emperor, you can be Emperess, but not emperor©
As founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot - we must hold a meeting to discuss whether this title should be reserved for Gollum only. He can present his arguments on why he feels he is special enough to be the only one allowed to have this title and we will then decide.

[edit] Case closed - Gollum relinquished his claim to the title "Emperor" without a vote taking place.

[gollum9630]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
As founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot - we must hold a meeting to discuss whether this title should be reserved for Gollum only. He can present his arguments on why he feels he is special enough to be the only one allowed to have this title and we will then decide.

well, i wanted supreme chancellor, but i wasnt allowed it sinced it made jonathans seem inferior to mine, plus i feel each country should come up with its own unique title so we are all different.

let the voting begin :D

[jerseydevil]

I will hold off on my vote until others have a chance to state some things. I however will point out his misrepresentation of the facts. The only reason he wanted "SUPREME Chancelor" was because he wanted to piss off Jonathan.

As for the second point - we already have two countries with the title "President"

[gollum9630]

fine, i see i will probably be killed in this since there are so few titles, so why have all the needless spamming, ill take of the copyright, but i aint editing my post, that way people will know what went on. gracious in defeat:(

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by gollum9630
fine, i see i will probably be killed in this since there are so few titles, so why have all the needless spamming, ill take of the copyright, but i aint editing my post, that way people will know what went on. gracious in defeat:(
Case closed. Anyone is hearby able to use the title "Emperor".

[gollum9630]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Case closed. Anyone is hearby able to use the title "Emperor".

for now ;) :p

[Nurvingiel]

I don't think most of us voted, but thanks for being gracious about that Gollum. That's what makes the Entmoot go 'round. ;)

[gollum9630]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
I don't think most of us voted, but thanks for being gracious about that Gollum. That's what makes the Entmoot go 'round. ;)

because i could forsee the eventual killer loss i would face. let that be a lesson to all you people who think you'll win everytime, dont be scared to admit defeat :p

[Nurvingiel]

wise move. :D you could be the grand poobah...

[gollum9630]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
wise move. :D you could be the grand poobah...

never heard of it, besides, emperor makes it seem asif i will have a larger empire soon, not just a country :p

[Nurvingiel]

I don't know where Grand Poobah is from. Hm... are you planning on taking someone's country over?

[gollum9630]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
I don't know where Grand Poobah is from. Hm... are you planning on taking someone's country over?

if only you could make war in this game...:p

[Nurvingiel]

You can in the forums. But stay away from Nurvingieldania. My crack squirrel assasination squad has you in their sights.

[LutraMage]

His Royal Highness and most Munificent Majesty King LutraMage (May all tremble in His Presence).

Yep, I think that just about wraps it up as a title! :D

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by LutraMage
His Royal Highness and most Munificent Majesty King LutraMage (May all tremble in His Presence).

Yep, I think that just about wraps it up as a title! :D
Sorry - it gets cut down to King LutraMage. :) The rest is "addressing" :p

You can however appeal for a vote if you want.

[Fat middle]

I joined yesterday, but this seem to have little changes today... I've just set the issues option to 2 per day. Let's see if that allows me to improve the country.

The name of the Ruler is "The Fat Brother". We're suppose to be a kind of brotherhood nation. But of course, not all brothers are equal ;)

[BeardofPants]

My title is 'President of the United Pants' (:p)

My currency is the pantsmach.

[Beor]

Hey, I just started a country, its called The Empire of Beornacorfinaanan, and my people are afraid to vote. Its pretty cool, I am really going to screw with their lives. I am Lord Beor the Mighty (known among my people as Beor the Cruel, but if that ever got out, sheesh). My representative animal is the Badger, and my currency is the Bullet.

The Empire of Beornacorfinaanan
"No one but me can save myself, but its too late"

UN Category: Authoritarian Democracy
Civil Rights: Some Economy: Fragile Political Freedoms: Some

Location: The Great Continent of Entmoot
The Empire of Beornacorfinaanan is a tiny, environmentally stunning nation, notable for its compulsory military service. Its hard-nosed, cynical population of 5 million are prohibited from doing almost everything except voting, which they do timidly and conservatively.

It is difficult to tell where the omnipresent, socially-minded government stops and the rest of society begins, but it devotes most of its attentions to Law & Order, with areas such as Religion & Spirituality and Social Welfare receiving almost no funds by comparison. The average income tax rate is 47%, but much higher for the wealthy. Private enterprise is illegal, but for those in the know there is a slick and highly efficient black market in Beef-Based Agriculture.

Crime -- especially youth-related -- is well under control, thanks to the all-pervasive police force. Beornacorfinaanan's national animal is the badger, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests, and its currency is the bullet.

[jerseydevil]

Here is the Daily United Nations Report for 1/28/04....


The Largest Gambling Industries in The Great Continent of Entmoot

1..The Free Land of Fatmidland - Father Knows Best State
2..The Empire of Ken Watanabe - Liberal Democratic Socialists
3..The Republic of Ara-Norr - New York Times Democracy
4..The Republic of Great New Jersey - Corporate Bordello
5..The Republic of Alphlex -Inoffensive Centrist Democracy
6..The Rogue Nation of North Dunelm - Inoffensive Centrist Democracy
7..The Free Land of North Koster - Liberal Democratic Socialists
8..The Queendom of Arienissima - Democratic Socialists
9..The Kingdom of LutraMage - Moralistic Democracy
10..The Most Serene Republic of Albrester - Left-wing Utopia
11..The Armed Republic of Ridgemeadows - Democratic Socialists
12..The Republic of BeardofPants - Inoffensive Centrist Democracy
13..The Federation of Nurvingieldania - Liberal Democratic Socialists
14..The Dictatorship of Millaneia - Corrupt Dictatorship
15..The Queendom of Ravynia - Conservative Democracy
16..The Kingdom of The Reunited Dunedain - Capitalist Paradise
17..The Republic of Berliozia - Democratic Socialists
18..The Kingdom of Tristramm - Father Knows Best State
19..The Empire of Beornacorfinaanan - Authoritarian Democracy

[Draken]

Ooh, fun!!!

[Radagast The Brown]

I've just joined. :)

The Empire of Galadradagastia is a tiny, environmentally stunning nation, notable for its compulsory military service. Its hard-nosed population of 5 million are fiercely patriotic and enjoy great social equality; they tend to view other, more capitalist countries as somewhat immoral and corrupt.

The large government devotes most of its attentions to Law & Order, with areas such as Social Welfare and Religion & Spirituality receiving almost no funds by comparison. The average income tax rate is 24%, but much higher for the wealthy. A substantial private sector is led by the Basket Weaving industry, followed by Information Technology and Woodchip Exports.

Crime is moderate. Galadradagastia's national animal is the budger and its currency is the shekels.

[Arien the Maia]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Can everyone please supply me with your country and title you wish to have. I'm going to add Ruler category to the country listing.

For instance mine will be "President JerseyDevil"

This will allow us to know who rules what countries - plus you can have your own official title too.

ok, mine is the Queendom of Arienissima and I am Queen Arien!!

[Valandil]

Don't think I'll join the UN for a good while... and don't think we should as a group. The one time I checked in, some proposal or other has just been passed; 11,000 some votes to 8,000 some votes. All member nations were obligated to comply.

I don't even know what the proposal was, but any voice we had there would be tiny... and if less than 60% carry the day - and everybody has to comply, that's a LOT of outside control to surrender to an international body... and could wreak havoc on our individual states. So I say, let's let our individual countries take shape and see how this goes, before we seriously consider taking any kind of 'plunge' into the UN.

[Fat middle]

1..The Free Land of Fatmidland - Father Knows Best State
Hey!! does that means that we are the largest Gambling Industry in the Continen?

Yesterday I was an Inoffensive Centrist Democracy. Father Knows Best sounds mucha better! The Fat Brother rules!! :)

[LutraMage]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Sorry - it gets cut down to King LutraMage. :) The rest is "addressing" :p

You can however appeal for a vote if you want. Okay Mr President, I'll just have to live with plain old King LutraMage (woe is me :() - just don't forget to bow when in my Munificent Presence! :D :p

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
<---- Ar-Dunedain :D

Originally posted by jerseydevil
You want that as your title name then?

I changed my mind, I want "High King" instead :D I mean since my Kingdom is called "The Kingdom of the Reunited Dúnedain", then it only makes sense for me to be the "High King", which is King of all the Dúnedain...

[brownjenkins]

The Free Land of Snicker-Snack (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=snicker-snack) ~ Big Daddy Brownjenkins

we don't have a "leader"... i'm just a cultural figurehead

UN Category: New York Times Democracy
Civil Rights: Good
Economy: Good
Political Freedoms: Superb
Location: The Great Continent of Entmoot

The Free Land of Snicker-Snack is a tiny, pleasant nation, renowned for its absence of drug laws. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, intelligent population of 5 million enjoy a sensible mix of personal and economic freedoms, while the political process is open and the people's right to vote held sacrosanct.

The large, corrupt government juggles the competing demands of Social Welfare, Education, and Healthcare. The average income tax rate is 21%. A healthy private sector is led by the Basket Weaving, Automobile Manufacturing, and Pizza Delivery industries.

Crime is relatively low, thanks to a well-funded police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare. Snicker-Snack's national animal is the jabberwock and its currency is the jubjub.

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
Indeed, nothing like sporting the Kingship through the Adûnaic language :D If "Ar" isn't as easily understandable you can exchange it with "King" as they mean the same thing :p

*Edit* I want "High King" instead :D

HEY! Cut that out, or I'm really going to try and incite a revolution against the decadent despotism of your sham of a monarchy!!:mad:

We're a shining light to the modern Numenoreans... to show them that indeed they can govern themselves! DOWN with Tyranny!! Yyeeeeaaaaaahhhh!!!

:D :p

Hey... how's come none of you's other guys are just sticking the 'dubya' in the middle of your username? ;)

~ The Hon President Valan W. Dil

(EDIT: The "W" stands for 'Washington'!!!) :D

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
I changed my mind, I want "High King" instead :D I mean since my Kingdom is called "The Kingdom of the Reunited Dúnedain", then it only makes sense for me to be the "High King", which is King of all the Dúnedain...

You Pretender! I hear your great-grandpa was a changeling!

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Valandil
HEY! Cut that out, or I'm really going to try and incite a revolution against the decadent despotism of your sham of a monarchy!!:mad:

We're a shining light to the modern Numenoreans... to show them that indeed they can govern themselves! DOWN with Tyranny!! Yyeeeeaaaaaahhhh!!!

:D :p

Hey... how come none of you's other guys are just sticking the 'dubya' in the middle of your username? ;)

~ The Hon President Valan W. Dil

I am a peaceful ruler, Elendil was the "High King" when the Dúnedain were United, and so was Aragorn when they were Reunited, I am merely following in their footsteps and have the motto to go with it! :D

[Dúnedain]

Just wondering if everyone can see my flag?

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/21235/page=display_nation/nation=the_reunited_dunedain

I am curious, because it is larger than the size it says, but they allowed it to be uploaded, can someone tell me what they see? :D

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Valandil
You Pretender! I hear your great-grandpa was a changeling!

Well at least I am no descendant of Eärnur, the King who wasn't even rightfully so...:p At least I can claim descendency, when you can only claim descendency from a mere captain!

[Arien the Maia]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
Just wondering if everyone can see my flag?

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/21235/page=display_nation/nation=the_reunited_dunedain

I am curious, because it is larger than the size it says, but they allowed it to be uploaded, can someone tell me what they see? :D


ohhhh very nice!:)

[hectorberlioz]

anyone notice why i chose a bear as my national animal?:D
bearlioz!!!!:p :p :p

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
Well at least I am no descendant of Eärnur, the King who wasn't even rightfully so...:p At least I can claim descendency, when you can only claim descendency from a mere captain!

(Ah... the ugly natural tendency of the Numenoreans toward divisiveness and internal strife rears its head again, even after all these years... Will there again be war amongst them?)

Whaddaya mean... 'you can only claim descendency from a mere captain'???

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
I am a peaceful ruler, Elendil was the "High King" when the Dúnedain were United, and so was Aragorn when they were Reunited, I am merely following in their footsteps and have the motto to go with it! :D

You're not king over MY Dunedain!!!

(EDIT: Hey JD... can we just call him: 'The Disputed High King of all the Dunedain'??? :D )

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Valandil
You're not king over MY Dunedain!!!

Are you Black Numenoreans then? :p

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
Are you Black Numenoreans then? :p

OOoooo, you're making me boil! Careful there... put too much fire below the cauldron and you'll end up in hot water yourself! :mad:

We are the people of the state once known as 'Arnor'. We peacefully transitioned from an archaic kingship to a constitutional monarchy and thence onto a full democracy! We include remnants of those from Arthedain, Cardolan and Rhudaur... as well as the dissatisfied, downtrodden and oppressed of Gondor and the 'Reuninted Kingdom'!

In ancient times, Aragorn was a great king... and he is our forebear as well. However, his later heirs more than wore out their welcome.

[mithrand1r]

JD,

This looks very interesting. I have created my own Nation.

The Republic of Omalos

"Live Free or Die"

UN Category: New York Times Democracy
Civil Rights: Excellent
Economy: Strong
Political Freedoms: Superb

Location: The Great Continent of Entmoot
The Republic of Omalos is a tiny, socially progressive nation, remarkable for its barren, inhospitable landscape. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, intelligent population of 5 million enjoy a sensible mix of personal and economic freedoms, while the political process is open and the people's right to vote held sacrosanct.

The large, corrupt government is mainly concerned with Religion & Spirituality, although Healthcare and Social Welfare are on the agenda. The average income tax rate is 19%. A large private sector is led by the Woodchip Exports, Book Publishing, and Information Technology industries.

Crime is a problem. Omalos's national animal is the dolphin and its currency is the Minoan.

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Valandil
(EDIT: Hey JD... can we just call him: 'The Disputed High King of all the Dunedain'??? :D )

Hey now! I think my claim is pretty well put together :D

I have the name, I have the name of the Kingdom, Common sense would dictate that in order to have that kingdom name there would have to be a High King (as there was with Aragorn and Elendil and Eldarion), I have the motto, I have the Banner of the White Tree and Seven Stars.

Now this doesn't mean your Lordship is lessened any, remember we are on a "Great Continent" here :D

[Dúnedain]

Sacriledge! One of the issues that came up today in my Kingdom was this:

"Swans on the Dinner Table?"

That's my Kingdom's Animal! lol. I turned that sucker down pretty quickly :D

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain

Now this doesn't mean your Lordship is lessened any, remember we are on a "Great Continent" here :D

Not when your very title makes claim to lordship over the people of my sovereign state!

On another topic: Hey JD, can we somehow 'map' our continent? I suggest we start with the known portions of Middle Earth. If so, I'd like to stake a claim to some area about and including Lake Evendim and preferably extending east to Fornost. So maybe the space between the Hills of Evendim and the North Downs. Better put 'Dunedain' down in the 'Minas Tirith-Pelargir' area... so there's a bit of distance between us. :D We should also leave plenty of room for late-comers.

(EDIT: or do latecomes just keep adding eastword? That area should all be a bit more civilized after all these millenia.)

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Valandil
Not when your very title makes claim to lordship over the people of my sovereign state!

On another topic: Hey JD, can we somehow 'map' our continent? I suggest we start with the known portions of Middle Earth. If so, I'd like to stake a claim to some area about and including Lake Evendim and preferably extending east to Fornost. So maybe the space between the Hills of Evendim and the North Downs. Better put 'Dunedain' down in the 'Minas Tirith-Pelargir' area... so there's a bit of distance between us. :D We should also leave plenty of room for late-comers.

(EDIT: or do latecomes just keep adding eastword? That area should all be a bit more civilized after all these millenia.)

I object to his claim of Lake Evendim. I am just as much entitled to it as he is. If he wants to push me to Minas Tirith, he is crazy, Annúminas is where I grew up as a boy...:D

[gimli7410]

well if we do i got the shire cuz they got pipeweed there:D

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
Sacriledge! One of the issues that came up today in my Kingdom was this:

"Swans on the Dinner Table?"

That's my Kingdom's Animal! lol. I turned that sucker down pretty quickly :D

Swan is a great delicacy in my nation! 'Pressed swan' is delightful! Basted in its own juices... mmmm-MMMMM!!! ;)

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
I object to his claim of Lake Evendim. I am just as much entitled to it as he is. If he wants to push me to Minas Tirith, he is crazy, Annúminas is where I grew up as a boy...:D

Sure he grew up there... but we ran him off! Barely escaped with his head on his shoulders, he did! Arrogant, pampered little royal!!!

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Valandil
Swan is a great delicacy in my nation! 'Pressed swan' is delightful! Basted in its own juices... mmmm-MMMMM!!! ;)

Originally posted by Valandil
Sure he grew up there... but we ran him off! Barely escaped with his head on his shoulders, he did! Arrogant, pampered little royal!!!

Now see, a true and Faithful Dúnedain would never speak that way about Swans, one of our beloved symbols, and treating the Descendant of heirs of old that way, especially as a boy. I think this only makes my claim that much stronger!

[hectorberlioz]

I lay claim to mirkwood!:D :D :D

[brownjenkins]

i want the old forest... TB's my kinda neighbor

[hectorberlioz]

so hich nation is yours, bjenkins?

[brownjenkins]

The Free Land of Snicker-Snack (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=snicker-snack)

best pizza on the continent :D

[Valandil]

Has anyone 'dismissed' an issue yet? I'm about to find out what that does. My issue for today (maybe because of the importance of religion in my country) was the appointment of a spiritual advisor. None of the three choices I was given were that great (all were charicatures - with obvious faults), so I'm choosing to dismiss the issue. I'll keep you posted...

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
Now see, a true and Faithful Dúnedain would never speak that way about Swans, one of our beloved symbols, and treating the Descendant of heirs of old that way, especially as a boy. I think this only makes my claim that much stronger!

Bah! The swan is the symbol of decadent despots... clinging to shadows of past glory. They are the main feature of our traditional "Liberty Day" feast... the very day we kicked your sorry rear-end out of the country! It's equivalent to the "Thanksgiving Day" feast held in certain countries... just with a different bird! :D

[Arien the Maia]

Originally posted by Valandil
Has anyone 'dismissed' an issue yet? I'm about to find out what that does. My issue for today (maybe because of the importance of religion in my country) was the appointment of a spiritual advisor. None of the three choices I was given were that great (all were charicatures - with obvious faults), so I'm choosing to dismiss the issue. I'll keep you posted...

I dismissed a ridiculous issue regarding the New Harry Potter books having Harry call on demons to help him....the options were either banning the books or allowing them so that we didn't have to listen to the crazy Christian zealots....I just dismissed it:p

[thranduil]

i have been accepted in the UN all i need to do is press the confirm button, seems most of you are agains the UN.

[Beor]

I am about to declare war on the United Nations. I posted it on our continent forum, but I thought I'd let you know here, for if you think its not a good idea, I will not do it. We are all on this continent together.

Long Live the Badger!

Beornacorfinaanan: Beautiful forests, Beautiful cities, Beautiful Badgers, and the Iron Fist of Lord Beor the Mighty (Cruel)

[Valandil]

Originally posted by thranduil
i have been accepted in the UN all i need to do is press the confirm button, seems most of you are agains the UN.

Without knowing too much, I just get the impression that you surrender a lot of control of your country to everyone else when you join.

(EDIT: Wanna be our 'Entmoot Mole' to the UN? ;) )

[LutraMage]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
Just wondering if everyone can see my flag?

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/21235/page=display_nation/nation=the_reunited_dunedain

I am curious, because it is larger than the size it says, but they allowed it to be uploaded, can someone tell me what they see? :D Yep, the banner, the white tree, the crown and starts, yep, it's all there and very nice too!

[brownjenkins]

it says this in the faq

I don't agree with any of the options on this issue!
Dismiss it, then. This is the equivalent of ignoring an issue until people stop talking about it and there's not so much pressure to do something. If you were a real government, you'd do this all the time, of course, but in NationStates it's more interesting if you respond to issues by actually making decisions.

[Beor]

If you do join, thranduil, please keep me informed on their doings, so I can better destroy them. Also, if I do invade, keep your vote against immeadiate action. You of course will be spared. ( :D )

[hectorberlioz]

my issue for the day(like Arien's) was harry potter.
well, i never liked little harry, so i banned the books in my nation:D

[LutraMage]

Originally posted by thranduil
i have been accepted in the UN all i need to do is press the confirm button, seems most of you are agains the UN. Confucius he say, (well, actually, that's what LutraMage says!) better to wait and see (to look before you leap) rather than to rush in where fools fear to tread. In other words, I'd say hold off tell we understand the impact of the UN a little more.

[LutraMage]

Originally posted by Beor
I am about to declare war on the United Nations. I posted it on our continent forum, but I thought I'd let you know here, for if you think its not a good idea, I will not do it. We are all on this continent together. Er same thought to you Beor - wouldn't it be better to wait until we know if the UN is of any use before we join/fight it? :confused:

[thranduil]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
my issue for the day(like Arien's) was harry potter.
well, i never liked little harry, so i banned the books in my nation:D

you should put it on 2 issues per day,
i got an organ donation issue where i voted for people to choose if they want to give up there organs instead of the gov. taking the organs w/o permission.
and door to door salesman went on strike and I chose to fire the trouble makers. instead of give them a raise.

[Beor]

Indeed, LutraMage, you speak with wisdom. I have acted rashly, and it is to my dishonor. THat is why I asked first, though, because if I attack, they will come after us all, not just me. If it was just me, I would have already moved in. THanks for the vote, and my shift key sticks, hence the THes

[LutraMage]

Originally posted by Beor
Indeed, LutraMage, you speak with wisdom. I have acted rashly, and it is to my dishonor. THat is why I asked first, though, because if I attack, they will come after us all, not just me. If it was just me, I would have already moved in. It is indeed the path of true wisdom and courage to stay the hand on the sword, to listen to counsel and to follow sound advice even when unwelcome. ;)

[Beor]

With allies such as you, the Empire will outlast the Gods! (:D )

[Valandil]

Just scanned previous UN proposals. Some are very nice ideas, but I can't agree with all of them. Not sure if the list I saw was only the proposals passed - but all the ones I saw DID pass, once taken to a vote. The margins varied... the closest was on euthanasia - which I would oppose.

Remember... you join, they're all yours! Make sure you look closely at what you're getting into.

[LutraMage]

Yep, just looked at the list as well. It really isn't clear that the resolutions actually lead to any difference - does the website change the rules for voting etc if a resolution is passed saying the rule should be changed???? :confused: Not much point in joining if nothing changes when a resolution is passed. What say my fellow Nations?

[Beor]

I am of course in agreement, on some actual grounds. First of all, we are all new nations, and dont need to be bullied around by these so called "United Nations", second, I dont really think it does matter. I havent noticed if anything has changed. Perhaps ere the sun rises twice on the land of the Badger, something will change as a result of the vote.

[Nurvingiel]

I got the same issue as you Thranduil.

My Information Technology workers are on strike, demanding a 20% raise over 2 years! That's too much, but I don't want to fire the troublemakers either, that's not right. But I don't want Unions to gain too much power.

I wish I could just give them a small raise. I think I'll dismiss the issue.

What do you think guys?

[Beor]

I would fire 'em. At least that way the people know that you are paying attention to their issues, and they know that you will not give, teaching them discipline and loyalty. Or they might rebel. Its cool, though, if you need any assistance crushing the rebellion, I have an army that will help. :D

[Radagast The Brown]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
I got the same issue as you Thranduil.

My Information Technology workers are on strike, demanding a 20% raise over 2 years! That's too much, but I don't want to fire the troublemakers either, that's not right. But I don't want Unions to gain too much power.

I wish I could just give them a small raise. I think I'll dismiss the issue.

What do you think guys? I think I would give them the raise, although it is exaggerated - it's only a one time raise.
That is to prevent any worse situation.
I'm not sure, of course, that it's the right thing to do, but that's what I would do.

[Nurvingiel]

What's your country again Rad? I am going to give them a raise in hopes that it will stimulate our economy.

[Radagast The Brown]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
What's your country again Rad? I am going to give them a raise in hopes that it will stimulate our economy. Err.. Galadradagastia I beleive. :p

That is the only good thing to do there. :)

[Beor]

I've been trying to have a little fun with my people, hope my warmongering didnt offend anyone. I guess I will just have to wait till tomorrow to see what happened due to my big-brother like police force. Later

[thranduil]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
I got the same issue as you Thranduil.

My Information Technology workers are on strike, demanding a 20% raise over 2 years! That's too much, but I don't want to fire the troublemakers either, that's not right. But I don't want Unions to gain too much power.

I wish I could just give them a small raise. I think I'll dismiss the issue.

What do you think guys?

its obvious, im not giving those idiots a raise, I chose to fire them, it does explain we will only fire the troublemakers, leaders you might say in the rebellion. Once the cocky ones are out and the others see what happens they will learn there place. My government will not be a pushover, bullied by little salesman that think there so important. Let them leave it they want.

[thranduil]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
What's your country again Rad? I am going to give them a raise in hopes that it will stimulate our economy.

alright youve made the opposite decision then i made, tomorrow we will see whos economy is better off.

[Beor]

YEEEEEEEEEEE-HAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Fat middle]

The Department of Defense has put its case for a substantial increase in funding for the coming financial year.

The Debate
"These are turbulent times we live in," says Defense Chief Pete Mistletoe. "Turbulent and dangerous. And the only sensible response to that, of course, is to build a lot more weapons. Unless we get the funding we need, I can't promise that we'll be able to defend Fatmidland's sovereign borders from rogue nations and foreign powers. Or those leaky boatloads of refugees, for that matter."
[Accept]


"NO MORE BOMBS," chant the protestors outside Parliament House, in a repetitious and increasingly annoying appeal. Spokesperson Jazz Mistletoe, speaking through a feedback-afflicted microphone, says, "Fatmidland needs fewer weapons, not more! Make the world a safer place! Disarm now!"


I've decided not to support the funds raising for the army. We're having troubles that could be solved with more army, but I think our budget must be too short for paying a large army.

I suspect that the generous earnings from gambling are going directly to the Fat Brother's pockets :D :cool: :D

[Valandil]

Thranduil & Nurvi... I'd be careful in either case. May be best to dismiss. Nurv - you already have a high tax rate... I wonder if the raise may only hurt your economy further by forcing taxes up? (assuming those are gov't workers) Thran - dismissing may do less damage than firing.

Anyway, let us know what your final actions are and the actual outcomes.

I guess this IS only a simple game, but it'd be nice if we weren't so limited with options. ie - if we were able to negotiate something in between 20% and nothing... or find a good alternative rather than three bad choices. Also - in this game we have to be primarily reactive rather than pro-active. Again, proactive options would take a very high level of complexity I imagine.

Sort of a game for 'armchair world leaders', eh? :)

[Earniel]

May I present you the 24th nation of the Great Continent of Entmoot :D:

The Constitutional Monarchy of Ranaland (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=ranaland)

UN Category: Inoffensive Centrist Democracy
Civil Rights: Below Average
Economy: Strong
Political Freedoms: Excellent

The Constitutional Monarchy of Ranaland is a tiny, pleasant nation, remarkable for its burgeoning frog population. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, intelligent population of 5 million have some civil rights, but not too many, enjoy the freedom to spend their money however they like, to a point, and take part in free and open elections, although not too often.

The medium-sized government devotes most of its attentions to Law & Order, with areas such as Religion & Spirituality and Social Welfare receiving almost no funds by comparison. The average income tax rate is 18%. A large private sector is led by the Soda Sales industry, followed by Beef-Based Agriculture and Woodchip Exports.

Crime is a problem. Ranaland's national animal is the frog and its currency is the hyla.

Yeah. :D

I may not have time to devote much of it to my spanking new country but we'll see.

[Jonathan]

Wow, the Great Continent of Entmoot is growing fast. We got 24 countries in less than 24 hours :)

[Nurvingiel]

I can't find some of your countries for some reason. Can I not read all of a sudden, or has everyone not moved to our fair continent yet?

[Radagast The Brown]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
I can't find some of your countries for some reason. Can I not read all of a sudden, or has everyone not moved to our fair continent yet? Actually, you need to click the 'full list'. When you go to the great continent of entmoot they only show all the rated countries. (I am not rated yet)

[Nurvingiel]

Thanks Radagast. :)

By the way JD, my civil rights are good now (prompted by my legalization of euthanasia). How often are you going to update the stats? They will probably change every day, but you could do the stats every 2 or three days.

[gollum9630]

yah, cuz my UN catagory is Inoffensive Centrist Democracy


pretty soon jonathan might also have to do this:p

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by brownjenkins
it says this in the faq
That's not the UN FAQ. That was the general management of your OWN issues - not the Un issues.


The UN is your chance to mold the rest of the world to your vision, by voting for resolutions you like and scuttling the rest. However, it's a double-edged sword, because your nation will also be affected by any resolutions that pass. (You can't just obey the resolutions you like and ignore the rest, like real nations do.)


By the way - I think we should organize under a Constitution of some sort. This way we can decide on big issues together - like whether to join the UN or declare war and so forth.

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Fat middle
I've decided not to support the funds raising for the army. We're having troubles that could be solved with more army, but I think our budget must be too short for paying a large army.

I suspect that the generous earnings from gambling are going directly to the Fat Brother's pockets :D :cool: :D

I had the same question, except I chose to raise my army :D

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Eärniel
Ranaland's national animal is the frog

Boooooooooo! We want the snakes ;)

[Radagast The Brown]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
I had the same question, except I chose to raise my army :D I would choose the same if I were you. Looks more important to me - to protect your country, or have more money...

[Dúnedain]

At this moment in time I do not want to be part of the UN, I want to grow my country and influence it in my own manner, not have to live by resolutions made by some central (weak) body :p

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Thanks Radagast. :)

By the way JD, my civil rights are good now (prompted by my legalization of euthanasia). How often are you going to update the stats? They will probably change every day, but you could do the stats every 2 or three days.
I know - it's going to get difficult to update all the countries. Also - I have run out of room on my post - so I think Jonathan may have to put ones in his post below mine. Unless I get SGH or someone to add a post inbetween - but I don't think that's possible. Not sure - I have to find out.

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
I know - it's going to get difficult to update all the countries. Also - I have run out of room on my post - so I think Jonathan may have to put ones in his post below mine. Unless I get SGH or someone to add a post inbetween - but I don't think that's possible. Not sure - I have to find out.

It's not possible, unless you start a new thread. Unfortunately it is done by time so you can't add a new post to a certain spot when it is a day later...

Let's just create a new thread that lists the Continent and ask the admins to make it sticky :D

[jerseydevil]

I have two issues. The one I already passed. And the other I'm still really debating...


The Issue
Far-right-wing Nazi supporters plan to stage a rally in the city center tomorrow, giving voice to their violent, racist views.

The Debate
1. "Frankly, I'm appalled that the government can even consider allowing this travesty to go ahead," says prominent Jewish banker Elizabeth Clinton. "We can't let these animals broadcast their message of hate. Surely Great New Jersey is too civilized for that."

2. "It's exactly because we're civilized that we must let the demonstration proceed," says free speech campaigner Jack Dodinas. "We may not like what they have to say, but in this society, people have the right to argue whatever political view they want, no matter how hateful, selfish, or stupid it is."



The Issue

The increasingly militant Animal Liberation Front struck again last night, freeing dozens of chickens bound for delicious snack packs.

The Debate
1. "These nuts have got to be stopped," demands concerned consumer Steffan Summers. "They need to face the fact people want snack packs, no matter how many innocent chickens must be sacrificed. Besides, chickens would do the same to us if they had the chance."

2. "These Liberationists are highlighting an important issue," pleads Tobias Broadside. "Too often, animals are put through needless cruelty, just to make their flesh taste a little more deliciously succulent. I'm sure we could ban the more horrific abuses without putting too much of a dent in our national obesity figures. Couldn't we?"

3. "Animals have feelings too!" yelled protestor Pip Barry, before being set upon by hungry passers-by. "Free the animals! Ban meat-eating!"

4. Economist Melbourne Broadside has an alternative. "You don't need to take away the people's right to choose. You just need to build the costs of animal suffering into the price. A tax on meat-eating, in proportion to the amount of cruelty involved, would do the trick. Plus think of the benefit for the national coffers! Of course, poor people wouldn't be able to afford meat, but that's just more incentive for them to get jobs."


Any thoughts? I already voted on the Nazi one.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
It's not possible, unless you start a new thread. Unfortunately it is done by time so you can't add a new post to a certain spot when it is a day later...

Yeah - I would be able to though if I had full control. :) I could just go into the database and change the time in the record. :)

Let's just create a new thread that lists the Continent and ask the admins to make it sticky :D
There is no way they would go for making it sticky that's for sure.

I had some other ideas - but they won't really work.

[Radagast The Brown]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
I have two issues. The one I already passed. And the other I'm still really debating...





Any thoughts? I already voted on the Nazi one. About the first one - I would obviously cancel it, in my country there'll be no nazism or racism.

I didn't rerally understad the second one. I have to go to sleep anyway - see you all tomorrow.

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
I have two issues. The one I already passed. And the other I'm still really debating...





Any thoughts? I already voted on the Nazi one.


I would vote 1 for both. I am running a Kingdom not giving people free reign to rule! :D

[Dúnedain]

By the way, JD clean out your pm's so i can reply to you!!!

[Dúnedain]

lol Valandil's country is run by basket weavers and woodchip experts, LOL!!!

Also, I see all this talk about war and bombing people. How do you fight? I don't see that option...

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
Also, I see all this talk about war and bombing people. How do you fight? I don't see that option...
It's not a real option. You need to go into the forums and it explains the process there - it's more like roleplaying when it comes to war. The forum is a bit slow during the day though - everyone seems to be on it while at work. :p

By the way - I need all the people who have created countries today to post who you are.

Here is the list of countries...

The Jingoistic States of Ploeterpoep
The Constitutional Monarchy of Ranaland
The Borderlands of Mornar Essiria
The Free Land of Snicker-Snack

[brownjenkins]

Originally posted by brownjenkins
The Free Land of Snicker-Snack ~ Big Daddy Brownjenkins

we don't have a "leader"... i'm just a cultural figurehead

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
lol Valandil's country is run by basket weavers and woodchip experts, LOL!!!

Also, I see all this talk about war and bombing people. How do you fight? I don't see that option...

If it's WAR with me you want... (and why else mention the two in one breath?) - then I'm quite sure my basket weavers and wood-chippers can take your door-to-door insurance salesmen!

We have a one-year military service obligation... that means my entire citizenry makes quite a formidable militia! :D

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Valandil
We have a one-year military service obligation... that means my entire citizenry makes quite a formidable militia! :D

So does my country and I just passed a law to increase my military and defense spending :D

BRING IT!!

[jerseydevil]

Announcement! Announcement!

Okay - certain things have come to my attention. We have to organize a bit.

1)We should set up a central government and unite together and form the United States of Entmoot I think. You will still be able to vote on your issues as you like - but we should have some sort concensus on things - such as war and the UN.

2) We should develop a Constitution that develops what the role of this government will be and what power it has.

3) It has been suggested several times that we have a map. At first I was thinking about just using the US map, I can be in NJ - jonathan be in NY and we just move westward. I have a feeling this might cause problems with Europeans who will then want to use a European map. Therefore - do you wish to draw up a completely unique map, use the real world map (keeping us all on one continent for the time being), or what?

4) Dunedain and Valandil fight over the title High King. Valandil does NOT want Dunedain to have this title. I would like Dunedain and Valandil to present their issues and then during the course of the day people can vote. tomorrow we will tally up the votes and that wil be the outcome. (This is one of the reasons I think we need a Constitution and Government).

If you have any ideas or suggestions - let me know.

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Announcement! Announcement!

Okay - certain things have come to my attention. We have to organize a bit.

1)We should set up a central government and unite together and form the United States of Entmoot I think. You will still be able to vote on your issues as you like - but we should have some sort concensus on things - such as war and the UN.

2) We should develop a Constitution that develops what the role of this government will be and what power it has.

3) It has been suggested several times that we have a map. At first I was thinking about just using the US map, I can be in NJ - jonathan be in NY and we just move westward. I have a feeling this might cause problems with Europeans who will then want to use a European map. Therefore - do you wish to draw up a completely unique map, use the real world map (keeping us all on one continent for the time being), or what?

4) Dunedain and Valandil fight over the title High King. Valandil does NOT want Dunedain to have this title. I would like Dunedain and Valandil to present their issues and then during the course of the day people can vote. tomorrow we will tally up the votes and that wil be the outcome. (This is one of the reasons I think we need a Constitution and Government).

If you have any ideas or suggestions - let me know.

I don't want to retype my stance all over again, lol...

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
I don't want to retype my stance all over again, lol...
Then cut and paste.

Additionally - as part of the Constitution.

5) we should set up a court system to handle disputes such as this between states.

[Dúnedain]

Here is an easy solution. Considering the fact that the Dúnedain come from the West, I would be privy to take California and Hawaii if we use the US map, that way it could represent Numenor and the Western parts of Middle Earth. Also, with that said, I could still be the High King, because I would be in relation to my Kingdom. After the Fall of Hawaii, the Faithful moved on to California where we took up the rule of those faithful and hence I became High King of the Reunited Kingdom of the Dúnedain. I am still a man of the West in relation to us using that map. I have the name (Dúnedain), I have the position (common sense would dictate that a "Reunited Kingdom of The Dúnedain" would need a High King, especially once REUNITED), I have the logos (my flag is that of the White Tree, the Seven Stars and the Crown), my Kingdom's animal is the Swan (which is long reverred among my people back to the days before our beginning with Tuor, who was in essence one of the Fathers of the Numenorean Kings) and the motto (Seven stars and seven stones and one white tree), all in relation to my descendency of the Kings of Old...

[jerseydevil]

Another idea I have - which i don't know if it will be granted or not - is to have our own Forum. That way we can have discussions concerning our country and states and have multiple threads - which will prevent this from getting so clugged.

We can have moderators based on the Constuition and elected officials will manage the forum then.

This took off far faster than what I thought. Any thoughts regarding this?

[gollum9630]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Another idea I have - which i don't know if it will be granted or not - is to have our own Forum. That way we can have discussions concerning our country and states and have multiple threads - which will prevent this from getting so clugged.

We can have moderators based on the Constuition and elected officials will manage the forum then.

This took off far faster than what I thought. Any thoughts regarding this?

that would be pretty cool, and far less confusing, there are so many things in this one thread right now i am lost

[mithrand1r]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Announcement! Announcement!

Okay - certain things have come to my attention. We have to organize a bit.

1)We should set up a central government and unite together and form the United States of Entmoot I think. You will still be able to vote on your issues as you like - but we should have some sort concensus on things - such as war and the UN.


Sounds like a good idea. It will ultimately depend on the form that this gov't adopts before I'll join in though.

Originally posted by jerseydevil
2) We should develop a Constitution that develops what the role of this government will be and what power it has.


See ans to 1)

Originally posted by jerseydevil
3) It has been suggested several times that we have a map. At first I was thinking about just using the US map, I can be in NJ - jonathan be in NY and we just move westward. I have a feeling this might cause problems with Europeans who will then want to use a European map. Therefore - do you wish to draw up a completely unique map, use the real world map (keeping us all on one continent for the time being), or what?


How about using a modified map of Pangea. That way almost everyone can have what they want and everyone can still be on one "island"

Originally posted by jerseydevil
4) Dunedain and Valandil fight over the title High King. Valandil does NOT want Dunedain to have this title. I would like Dunedain and Valandil to present their issues and then during the course of the day people can vote. tomorrow we will tally up the votes and that wil be the outcome. (This is one of the reasons I think we need a Constitution and Government).

If you have any ideas or suggestions - let me know.

Dunedain can be high king of the West and Valandil can be high king of the East. ;)

[mithrand1r]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Then cut and paste.

Additionally - as part of the Constitution.

5) we should set up a court system to handle disputes such as this between states.

I think Millane has this covered. (with his iron fist. ) ;)

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Another idea I have - which i don't know if it will be granted or not - is to have our own Forum. That way we can have discussions concerning our country and states and have multiple threads - which will prevent this from getting so clugged.

We can have moderators based on the Constuition and elected officials will manage the forum then.

This took off far faster than what I thought. Any thoughts regarding this?

I think this would be the best idea, that is if the Admins allow this. It would be very helpful and would take away from the clutter as well...Especially since we already have 25 countries created!!

[jerseydevil]

Well if we get our own forum created - which I think I may be able to convince people of - hopefully - we would have a representative government.

The governments powers should be limited.

I will try to get the forum negotiated and then maybe we can go and discuss our central government. I'm looking at something similar as the United States - where the states retain their rights. I'm for state rights. I leave local issues up to the states. Declaring war and joining the Un should be a central decision though in my view. If we decide to join the UN - we can then all vote on a delagte and so forth.

As for the court system - that needs to be representative. Not all the power in one person.


As I said though - we will talk more about a central government if I can get the forum. It will be too difficult to manage a central government in one thread. It's hard enough trying to manage this with 25 states.

[Dúnedain]

The issue updates are making me mad! First they take forever and second I only got 1 issue today even though mine is set for 2 :mad:

[gimli7410]

i dont think the forum idea will work. i mean we wont be playin this game forever. i could only see specific threads. and why are we calling our places states and not provinces:p

[jerseydevil]

We lost a country by the way - "The Jingoistic States of Ploeterpoep" left. Does anyone know who they are?

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by gimli7410
i dont think the forum idea will work. i mean we wont be playin this game forever. i could only see specific threads. and why are we calling our places states and not provinces:p

I don't know about you, but mine is neither, it's a Kingdom!

I think the forum idea will work, it will be cleaner and separate where we dont have to search all over for things and the admins/mods wont make us post in only one thread. If it's in one thread we won't get anything done or organized or me declaring war on Valan...errr nevermind :p

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by gimli7410
i dont think the forum idea will work. i mean we wont be playin this game forever. i could only see specific threads. and why are we calling our places states and not provinces:p
Because Provinces is so lame. :p Anyway - it's Nation States.

I think the forum idea could work because others might join that are not part of this now. Even if your country departs - you can actually give your country to someone else if you get tired of it. Just put your country up on the auction block.

We can make this very interesting or we can just go our own way. I for one would rather do the interesting thing.

[gimli7410]

provinces kick ass:D

well its all up to ben or tristan for the forum. have you asked them yet:confused:

[thranduil]

ANNOUNCEMENT

as of now I am a United Nations representative, I would like all of the residents of Entmoot Continent to know I will be reporting your activites to the UN as well as making sure there is no bad talking or planning to go against the UN. First I will give a warning and then the second time I see any of that kind of conduct I will report the nation to the UN and let them deal with it as they will.

thankyou

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by thranduil
ANNOUNCEMENT

as of now I am a United Nations representative, I would like all of the residents of Entmoot Continent to know I will be reporting your activites to the UN as well as making sure there is no bad talking or planning to go against the UN. First I will give a warning and then the second time I see any of that kind of conduct I will report the nation to the UN and let them deal with it as they will.

thankyou

I vote to remove thranduil from our continent :D

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by gimli7410
well its all up to ben or tristan for the forum. have you asked them yet:confused:
I'm talking to SGH right now. I'm going to write something up that will go into the Moderator forum. We'll see where it goes from there.

[thranduil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
I vote to remove thranduil from our continent :D

if any of this talk goes on in the nationstates forum your name will be given to the UN.

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by thranduil
if any of this talk goes on in the nationstates forum your name will be given to the UN.

Go right ahead, they can't do anything to me as I am not a part of the UN...

[thranduil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
Go right ahead, they can't do anything to me as I am not a part of the UN...
hmm... you got me there. The UN can go to hell for now, of course i didn't join. Just see'n how much of a stiff ass I would be. :D

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by thranduil
hmm... you got me there. The UN can go to hell for now, of course i didn't join. Just see'n how much of a stiff ass I would be. :D

I know you didn't join, cuz you didn't have the UN icon next to your name :p

[BeardofPants]

I have just moved that minorities will NOT be portrayed as gross stereotypes in my infamous Pantsdom soapies. :D

[Valandil]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Another idea I have - which i don't know if it will be granted or not - is to have our own Forum. That way we can have discussions concerning our country and states and have multiple threads - which will prevent this from getting so clugged.

We can have moderators based on the Constuition and elected officials will manage the forum then.

This took off far faster than what I thought. Any thoughts regarding this?

I think we should wait just a bit before turning this into a separate forum. Sure, it has taken off at first... but will we all stay this interested for the long run? Maybe yes, maybe no... but it's hard to say right now.

As for a map, since it is Entmoot, and therefore Middle Earth, which binds us together, I think it would be best (and most fun) to use the Middle Earth map. Or at least try that and see if we can do it without too much dissent. (right now the only contention is between myself and Dunedain over Annuminas - and, off the record, that's all only in good fun! :D ) We could limit square mileages to something reasonable - maybe 40,000 square miles max. (that's about 102,500 sq. km for metric users - we could even say 100,000 sq km max for all...) We COULD even add a mirror-image of New Jersey appendage to the western edge of the ME map someplace...:)

[Earniel]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
Boooooooooo! We want the snakes ;)
Do it in yer own country! ;)

Originally posted by jerseydevil
By the way - I need all the people who have created countries today to post who you are. [...]

The Constitutional Monarchy of Ranaland: Prime Minister Eärniel :D

Originally posted by jerseydevil
3) It has been suggested several times that we have a map. At first I was thinking about just using the US map, I can be in NJ - jonathan be in NY and we just move westward. I have a feeling this might cause problems with Europeans who will then want to use a European map. Therefore - do you wish to draw up a completely unique map, use the real world map (keeping us all on one continent for the time being), or what?
What about a map of Middle-earth? [EDIT: I see one of the High Kings beat me to it. :)]

Otherwise, personally I don't mind whether it's an American or a European map. If we all can't agree on one of those, we can always take Africa. :D

Originally posted by thranduil
as of now I am a United Nations representative, I would like all of the residents of Entmoot Continent to know I will be reporting your activites to the UN as well as making sure there is no bad talking or planning to go against the UN. First I will give a warning and then the second time I see any of that kind of conduct I will report the nation to the UN and let them deal with it as they will.
What? Getting tiranical already? Rather early isn't it?

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Valandil
I think we should wait just a bit before turning this into a separate forum. Sure, it has taken off at first... but will we all stay this interested for the long run? Maybe yes, maybe no... but it's hard to say right now.

I think it will have a greater chance of surviving if we do our own forum. Like I said - just because one person may lose interest doesn't mean new users won't be interested or that that other existing memebers will stay interested. The thing is - this thread has become completely unmanageable with a ton of conversations going on at once. SG likes the idea of a seperate forum - so I'm working on it.

Need to address the map issue later. :)

[Dúnedain]

If we use Middle Earth which version? Would it be the ME of the LotR's era or would we use the ME of the Sil era?

[Elfmaster XK]

If we use Middle Earth which version? Would it be the ME of the LotR's era or would we use the ME of the Sil era?

Has everybody read the Sil? I think that the LotR version is better known.

(Created the Borderlands of Mornar Essiria, Dictator E XK.)

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
I think it will have a greater chance of surviving if we do our own forum. Like I said - just because one person may lose interest doesn't mean new users won't be interested or that that other existing memebers will stay interested. The thing is - this thread has become completely unmanageable with a ton of conversations going on at once. SG likes the idea of a seperate forum - so I'm working on it.

Need to address the map issue later. :)

Agreed and Agreed. I think we should focus first on seeing if our own forum is a viable thing, then from there create a map...

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Elfmaster XK
Has everybody read the Sil? I think that the LotR version is better known.


But the map in the Sil is much bigger with greater areas to have, and could probably lead to less disputes. If we use the LotR ME map it could be too small, unless people want to use Mordor and the Hither Lands :D

[Elfmaster XK]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
But the map in the Sil is much bigger with greater areas to have, and could probably lead to less disputes. If we use the LotR ME map it could be too small, unless people want to use Mordor and the Hither Lands :D

Well I created a psychotic country, so wouldn't mind using Mordor. The name even has Mor in it. :p But I do see your point. Democratically, everyone should vote! :rolleyes:

[Nurvingiel]

I think we should leave the "area where your country is situated" stuff to being not concrete. We already have a dispute of the title of High King, why have two people go to war over Gondor at the same time? I think it complicates things needlessly.

As for the UN, I'm not sure what your role in it is Thranduil. Why would you report our statistics? I don't have anything to do with the UN, I don't see why my country matters to them. The rights and freedoms of my people are protected - I don't want my country to be fiddled with by an organization that I don't believe in, because I don't think they're concerned for the well-being of my citizens.

About your announcement JD, I think we should open as many threads as we need in this forum to conduct business properly. We could open a new thread solely for discussing the Constitution. (A note on the Constitution; I think it will be very difficult. Some countries have completely opposite philosophies. Who's to say the a dictator is wrong and a democracy is right, or vice versa? They would both have trouble abiding by the same constitution. However, maybe not everyone needs to be a part of it if they find themselves in the minority.)

Lastly, this thread would be a lot less cluttered if people consolidated their one-liner spammish posts into a longer post. (I'm not accusing anyone, we've all done that about 20 times.)

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
I think we should leave the "area where your country is situated" stuff to being not concrete. We already have a dispute of the title of High King, why have two people go to war over Gondor at the same time? I think it complicates things needlessly.

I support waiting until we get further along - like Dunedain said.

About your announcement JD, I think we should open as many threads as we need in this forum to conduct business properly. We could open a new thread solely for discussing the Constitution. (A note on the Constitution; I think it will be very difficult. Some countries have completely opposite philosophies. Who's to say the a dictator is wrong and a democracy is right, or vice versa? They would both have trouble abiding by the same constitution. However, maybe not everyone needs to be a part of it if they find themselves in the minority.)

I had talked to SGH about that - but I didn't want to clog general messages or the other forums with Nation States threads. If we had our own forum - we can then vote in our own moderators and conduct business in there. I have ideas I presented to SGH.

Everyone be patient though - SGH said it may take a couple of days to make a decision on whether we get our own forum. She's going to work on it and she thinks it's a really good idea. Look at the One Ring Musical thread - completely useless.