Palantir clip from ROTK

[Captain Stern]

Don't know if you've come accross this yet:

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/l/lotrrotk.php

It's clip 5 by the way.

So, instead of using the scene to show Aragorn's will power withstanding that of Sauron's (like in the book), they've made even this scene another scary, action type sequence.

*sigh*

[squinteyedsoutherner]

That must be the Palantir Jackson got from the Repo Man set. Hey was that car in Fellowship a beat up Malibu?

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by squinteyedsoutherner
That must be the Palantir Jackson got from the Repo Man set. Hey was that car in Fellowship a beat up Malibu? I thought it was an SUV.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Captain Stern
So, instead of using the scene to show Aragorn's will power withstanding that of Sauron's (like in the book), they've made even this scene another scary, action type sequence.

*sigh*
All I can say is MORE OF THE SAME. :mad: Overblown action sequences as usual.

[Nurvingiel]

I couldn't get it to play. (And I really don't want to download RealPlayer. I already have Windows Media Player, DivX, and Winamp.)

Does anyone know another source for that?

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
I couldn't get it to play. (And I really don't want to download RealPlayer. I already have Windows Media Player, DivX, and Winamp.)

Does anyone know another source for that?
well it analyses your system and sees what media players you have installed. It showed that I had both Real Player and Windows Media Player and allowed me to select which I wanted to use. It didn't do that for you?

[Silpion]

Is that the extent of Aragorn's willpower with Sauron and the palantir?

The sound of hysterical laughter, that's me.;)

[Nurvingiel]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
well it analyses your system and sees what media players you have installed. It showed that I had both Real Player and Windows Media Player and allowed me to select which I wanted to use. It didn't do that for you? Yes. I selected Windows Media Player, which is the only one I have. Then it said "connecting to media" for about 10 minutes until I gave up and closed the window.

[Cirdan]

Ummm, Foolofatook? Again?

*imagines touch late night script writing session at NL*

Boyens: "Ya know, I just don't know what Gandalf should say in this scene?"

Jackson: "Well, what does the book say?"

Boyens: "Don't with that book business again!"

Jackson: "Just kidding, heh heh!"

Boyens: "How 'bout he says, 'Fool of a Took!', again?"

Jackson: "Whatever. I'll have the WETA boys juice it up so no one will even notice he's talking."

Boyens: "I still can't believe I got this huge a project the first go round. Writing is way easier than they made it sound in those correspondence courses I took."

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Cirdan
Ummm, Foolofatook? Again?

*imagines touch late night script writing session at NL*

Boyens: "Ya know, I just don't know what Gandalf should say in this scene?"

Jackson: "Well, what does the book say?"

Boyens: "Don't with that book business again!"

Jackson: "Just kidding, heh heh!"

Boyens: "How 'bout he says, 'Fool of a Took!', again?"

Jackson: "Whatever. I'll have the WETA boys juice it up so no one will even notice he's talking."

Boyens: "I still can't believe I got this huge a project the first go round. Writing is way easier than they made it sound in those correspondence courses I took."
So VERY true. I don't know what smilie should go here. On the one hand your scenario is funny in which case I would use :D, on the other it is probably closer to the truth than any of us would care to think, in which case I would use :mad: or possibly :rolleyes:.

[jerseydevil]

Oh hell this is how I feel -
:D <- Cirdan's post
:mad: <- scenario
:rolleyes:, :mad: <- Jackson and Boyens
:confused: <- what Jackson was thinking and knows about Lord of the Rings
:eek:, :rolleyes:, :mad: <- the fact that Jackson was able to pull the wool over so many people's eyes for so long
:mad:, :( <- overall feeling on the Lord of the Rings. movies and Jackson

[Nurvingiel]

Yea! I got it to work. They really went to town on that Fool of a Took line. They also overdramatised the scene, naturally. In case you were wondering, they're in Minas Tirith because they took out the whole Orthanc story arc.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Yea! I got it to work. They really went to town on that Fool of a Took line. They also overdramatised the scene, naturally. In case you were wondering, they're in Minas Tirith because they took out the whole Orthanc story arc.
I'm glad you got it to work, I wasn't sure what else to suggest.

Yeah - I could tell they were in Minis Tirith with the wooden doors, I'm wondering if it's Denethor's Palantir that Pippin looks into and NOT Saruman's now. I like the Palantir scene in the middle of the woods as it is in the book.

They even seem to be using "horror" type music. :rolleyes:

[Nurvingiel]

*Makes appropriate "ree ree" music from Psycho along with stabbing motions* Hello Pippin...


I also noticed the non-metal gates. Weren't they plated with mithril? That would have looked cool.

Edit: And I love that scene from the book too! They could have had a funny scene without taking cheap shots at Pippin or Gimli! What a novel idea. (Gandalf waking up with a rock for a pillow!)

[squinteyedsoutherner]

In case you were wondering, they're in Minas Tirith because they took out the whole Orthanc story arc.

I thought the doors and walls looked like they were back in Edoras, or at least somewhere in Rohan.

I'm wondering if it's Denethor's Palantir that Pippin looks into and NOT Saruman's now.

I'm pretty sure I've read spoilers that say Denethor doesn't have a Palantir. Who knows.

EDIT,

I just watched it again and I've changed my mind. I think it's Minas Tirith too.

[Cirdan]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Oh hell this is how I feel -


Hmm, no :) though, I see. Funny, I thought about the same thing when I posted it. We need an ambivalently disgruntled smiley. maybe :~

EDIT: wow, i've never been scolded by the software for too many smileys before..:confused:

[Almie]

Too much action there. For some reason this clip looks like a bad horror movie. Maybe it's the music. :rolleyes:

[Cirdan]

Originally posted by Almie
Too much action there. For some reason this clip looks like a bad horror movie. Maybe it's the music. :rolleyes:

You mean like the Frighteners?:D

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Cirdan
Hmm, no :) though, I see. Funny, I thought about the same thing when I posted it. We need an ambivalently disgruntled smiley. maybe :~

I think that's what we need. :~

EDIT: wow, i've never been scolded by the software for too many smileys before..:confused:
That's why I had to break my post up into two seperate ones.

[Nurvingiel]

If it is in Minas Tirith, what the heck was Merry doing there!

*panics* What if he doesn't swear fealty to Theoden and join up with Dernhelm!?

[Elf Girl]

We already know he doesn't swear fealty to Theoden, so I suppose he goes to Gondor with Pippin.

[Nurvingiel]

Oh. Now I know that. *mopes in corner*

I loved that part of the book.
And this means Merry won't kill/help Eowyn defeat the Witch-King.
That completely sucks rocks. :mad:

[Elvengirl]

*sigh*
dissappointed, that's all I can say

[Firekitten2006]

Originally posted by Elf Girl
We already know he doesn't swear fealty to Theoden, so I suppose he goes to Gondor with Pippin.

but i SWEAR i saw a clip or something like that with a pic of him on his knee and Theoden "swearing" him ya know with the sword and all and if hes with pippen wont this totally screw up pippins little growing up time.

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Elf Girl
We already know he doesn't swear fealty to Theoden, so I suppose he goes to Gondor with Pippin.

But we also see clips of Merry riding with the Rohirrim... and we see Gandalf and Pippin (just the two of them) riding into Minas Tirith. How do we know Merry doesn't swear fealty to Theoden?

Don't get too up in arms folks.

[jerseydevil]

Obviously Jackson changed the movie so much - does it really matter anymore? Pippin may ride with Eowyn, but he may never swear fealty to Theoden. Pippin looks into the palantir - but it has been turned into an overhyped action/horror scene. More of the same, more of the same.

[Silmarien]

I saw in one of those official movie companion books (or whatever they are called) that the palantir scene takes place in Edoras.

I have read posts on another forum (written by people who have seen it) that Merry doesn't swear allegiance. On the other hand, he's shown doing it in the trailer. I'm forced to conclude that we'll probably see the swearing of allegiance in the Extended Edition.

Silmarien

[Elf Girl]

Originally posted by Valandil
But we also see clips of Merry riding with the Rohirrim... and we see Gandalf and Pippin (just the two of them) riding into Minas Tirith. How do we know Merry doesn't swear fealty to Theoden?
It's mentioned in the review posted by me below, in the 'new movie review reveals major changes' thread.

[Dúnedain]

Man you all get so bent out of shape over the smallest things, jeez...

BTW that is clearly NOT Minas Tirith, it is Meduseld, plus all the spoilers have said it is Meduseld as well...

[Nurvingiel]

Didn't you mean Merry JD? :D

Well I don't know how obvious it is. It could have been Minas Tirith, but it is better if it's Medusaled. Then it's closer to the book. (Maybe they still do Gandalf's rock pillow, even though they're in-doors.)

Then, Merry would still have a chance to swear fealty to Theoden and ride with Eowyn. I like your theory, it's heartening and it makes sense.

[mithrand1r]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Didn't you mean Merry JD? :D



With PJ&Co one can never be sure. ;) :eek: :rolleyes:

Although some of the changes said to take place in LOTR:ROTK do not sound encouraging, I will wait till I see the movie before I review the film.

Dúnedain,

If there only were minor changes from the book to film, I do not think many people would mind as much.

Added to some of the more drastic changes that have occured in the films (the minor changes) only adds "salt to the wounds" (figuratively of course :p)

Hopefully the film will exceed everyone's highest expectations and be a very good film adaptaion of LOTR:ROTK.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Didn't you mean Merry JD? :D

Well I don't know how obvious it is. It could have been Minas Tirith, but it is better if it's Medusaled. Then it's closer to the book. (Maybe they still do Gandalf's rock pillow, even though they're in-doors.)

Then, Merry would still have a chance to swear fealty to Theoden and ride with Eowyn. I like your theory, it's heartening and it makes sense.
yes - I meant Merry. But as Mithrind1r said - with PJ it's hard to tell and I still have a hard time telling Pippin and Merry apart in the movies.

Dunedain - it's not getting bent out of shape - with the number of changes jackson has made - the movie is becoming pretty much unrecognizable from the book and the chnages have distorted the story. As demonstrated by this scene - Jackson again does over the top action sequence. Looks similar to the exorcism crap.

[Attalus]

Grr, I can't make it work. I hate dialup. :mad:

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Well I don't know how obvious it is. It could have been Minas Tirith, but it is better if it's Medusaled. Then it's closer to the book. (Maybe they still do Gandalf's rock pillow, even though they're in-doors.)

It's not a theory it's a fact, lol. Read any of the people who have written reviews that included spoilers. They speak of this scene happening in Meduseld. Also watch any trailer, Merry does ride with Eowyn.

Besides, outside of all that above info I listed, look at the rooms in that clip. That is no "white city". If you compare the look of that room with the other clips of Rohan they look extremely similar. On the contrary if you look at that clip and compare it to any clips of Minas Tirith, they look nothing alike. :D

[Elf Girl]

I looked up the 'fealty' referance in the review here (http://www.theonering.net/staticnews/1070750601.html). It says not to expect the pledging of fealty, 'or any of that plot line'. I don't know if 'that plot line' would include riding with Eowyn, but I suspect it does.

I presume the trailers include things from the Extended cut.

[Dúnedain]

No the fealty does not include the riding with Eowyn/Dernhelm, that IS in the movie as has been noted by many people who have seen the movie already in advanced screenings...

[CardenIAntauraNauco]

Although I dislike many of Jackson's changes to the movie (especially those of the nature of Arwen, Faramir, and in some ways Theoden) I don't think I could have ever expected a better production of the movie, They had the right idea in alot of the scenes (e.g. Helm's Deep, The Entmoot, Edoras,etc..). They spent alot of time getting the movie together and for the most part they did a very good job as far as making a movie, and maybe a little below average job of making the movie accurate to the book. Most movies made from books are wildly inaccurate.

There were some discrepancies from the book but that certainly doesn't make jackson an idiot. I have heard many people tell me there favorite charachter was Arwen, of course this suprised me, but it made me realize that jackson knew exactly what he was doing. Jackson realized the majority of the movie-going population 1.) are not very bright 2.) Have never read the books. If you think people like good plot's and not much action then explain why The Rock was so popular. The thing is Jackson is selling a movie to mostly stupid people, and his principal objective is not to make a movie accurate to LOTR the book, it is to make money. Which he did quite well.

I don't mean to be lying in the catch but Jackson did put ALOT of work into this, as did many other people and while it is frustrating to hear people go about as if they're experts on LOTR when they haven't so much as opened the book at least they have been able to access some of the enjoyment they could not obtain because of there unintelligence and illiteracy.

I myself like the movies just fine, If you can stomach the changes, there's much to enjoy.

[Nurvingiel]

Originally posted by Elf Girl
We already know he doesn't swear fealty to Theoden, so I suppose he goes to Gondor with Pippin. Actually, I erroneously thought that before. I had (probably) wrongly assumed the the Palantir clip takes place in Minas Tirith. Someone pointed out to me that it's probably in Medusaled. Not only does this make more sense, but it allows for Merry's story line to continue.
I was in Chapters today and skimmed through the RotK visual companion. It showed:
Merry swearing fealty to Theoden, Merry riding with Dernhelm, and Pippin looking very Prince of the Halflings-ish in Gondorian armour.
Now that's a relief! :)

[Elvengirl]

Good to hear. We mustn't get carried away before we the movie, there's just no point. :)