Fall of Gondolin...

[Dúnedain]

Ok, I was wondering if this story is printed in full elsewhere outside of what is mentioned in the Sil and Unfinished Tales?

I ask, becuase the story in the Sil seems more like a small portion of it and the story in Unfinished Tales stops before the "Fall of Gondolin" and says to refer to the full story.

Wasn't this Tolkien's first story and writtein in 1916-1917 as well?...

[Dúnedain]

hehe, I just realized it is in 'The Book of Lost Tales Part II' :p

Is it the full story though?

[olsonm]

Yes, but it's the old version and can't be accurately related to the later mythology.

[Artanis]

You should ask Maedhros, he's the FoG expert that I know of.

[Falagar]

As full as you will ever get it! Love that story.

Doesn't matter if some of the ideas were thrown away later (like hordes of Balrogs on steads, or machines made of Iron), it's a fantastic story.
I find the Tuor-part a bit boring, but that only makes the Fall-part greater.

[Melko Belcha]

The Fall of Gondolin in TBoLT is the most detailed account of the story. The only other completed versions of the story are from the Sketch Mythology and the Quenta Noldorian, both can be found in HoME 4: The Shaping of Middle-earth. The Fall of Gondolin in The Sil is almost word for word with the one from the Quenta Noldorian, which was written in the early 1930's.

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Falagar
I find the Tuor-part a bit boring, but that only makes the Fall-part greater.

Awww that sucks! For me, he was the best part of that story :(

[Falagar]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
Awww that sucks! For me, he was the best part of that story :(
Well, that's just me. ;) It's (IMO) boring up 'till the point where Tuor reaches Nevrast, but from there and on it gets better (can't remember his speech with Ulmo in that version very well, but I think it was a bit more detailed than the one we get in the Silm.)

[Artanis]

Originally posted by Falagar
(can't remember his speech with Ulmo in that version very well, but I think it was a bit more detailed than the one we get in the Silm.) Yep! Ulmo's speech in the UT version is so great. Love it.

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Artanis
Yep! Ulmo's speech in the UT version is so great. Love it.

Yeah it is!

Tuor's story is in my top 2 of best stories/books by Tolkien :D

[Maedhros]

Doesn't matter if some of the ideas were thrown away later (like hordes of Balrogs on steads, or machines made of Iron), it's a fantastic story.
The hordes of Balrogs definitely seems to have been rejected in the later mythos but the mechanical monsters not necessarily so.
From The Shaping of ME: The Quenta
At last, and Eärendel was then seven years of age, Morgoth was ready, and he loosed upon Gondolin his Orcs and his Balrogs and his serpents; and of these, dragons of many and dire shapes were now devised for the taking of the city.
Devised sounds like Mechanical to me.

[Attalus]

I, too, find the Tuor part boring, but that is just me. I like the BoLT version better, too, and if JRRT had just edited it a bit, it would have improved the published Sil.