save me... (SPOILERS!)

[LuthienTinuviel]

yesterday i was in me favourite bookstore, when i happened to see wht LotR movie Visual Companion for RotK. (further known as VC3)
i usually don't buy the visual companions before i've seen the movies, but this time, i figured that i wouldn't have money for a while (my car insurance is due next week) so i swooped in and grabbed a copy.

while flipping though it, i found many exciting a nd disturbing things.
good news first
Eowyn in dernhelm-ish armor
gondor looks lovely
White tree in the courtyard of the citadel looks nice enough
paths of the dead look amazing
i now strongly believe that merry will slay the witch king, and thinking of that, now im getting ideas that part of RotK will give info on past events (like, the first age) of ME
Shelob, Mount Doom, Battle of the Peleonnor Feilds etc are going to be kick arse

now for the bad news.

The evenstar(the jewel, not arwen) breaks somehow.
Tower guards look like thy've got great white ears, in stead of elegant seabird wings
Only three go on the paths of the dead
scouring and grey havens aren't mentioned anywhere.. and now that the evenstar breaks, who knows what arwen will give to frodo?

[hectorberlioz]

*tears stress ball to pieces on reading bad news*

[LuthienTinuviel]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
*tears stress ball to pieces on reading bad news*

i nerly did the same thing.. couldn't say nothing, cause then i was sitting in a cafe.. and my reaction wouldn't have been fitting for a place i plan on being employed in sometime.. haha.

but still.. yeesh..:eek: :eek:

[hectorberlioz]

*broods dark thouhgts*
How did it happen? why?
grrrr.....
*extends wolverine like claws*

[Elf Girl]

Originally posted by LuthienTinuviel
The evenstar(the jewel, not arwen) breaks somehow.
Good. Let's pray it doesn't get fixed.

[hectorberlioz]

The evenstar(the jewel, not arwen) breaks somehow.

PJ's neck breaks somehow

[LuthienTinuviel]

Good. Let's pray it doesn't get fixed.

:D :D wasn't the prettyest thing, was it?

[Lizra]

Well, the good news certainly outweighs the bad!
Of course, knowing about the Scouring of the Shire being out, for the longest time helps! :) Only 3 on the Paths of the Dead has had lots of forewarning too. Evenstar,schmevenstar....:rolleyes: ;)

[thranduil]

I coulnd't care less if the evenstar broke. But I do know what someone in particular will say "That was just another excuse for Jackson to put in some more action." :D

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by thranduil
I coulnd't care less if the evenstar broke. But I do know what someone in particular will say "That was just another excuse for Jackson to put in some more action." :D
It is exactly. Why have it break? What purpose does it serve? It's just for some over the top emotional scene probably. :rolleyes:

[hectorberlioz]

Frodo: I have failed you lady of the wood! *starts sobbing*:rolleyes:

[Millane]

Tower guards look like thy've got great white ears, in stead of elegant seabird wings
WHAT!!!!!!! the gondarians in all aspects look amazing, i looked at the companion and some weapons book and they look incredible, their spear head are very cool and there armour is awesome... ohhh well maybe its just me :D

[Elf Girl]

Originally posted by thranduil
I coulnd't care less if the evenstar broke. But I do know what someone in particular will say "That was just another excuse for Jackson to put in some more action." :D
You know, predicting what people are going to say doesn't make it any less true.

[zinnite]

I love the films, but I do hate many of the changes. This one (about the Evenstar) seems pretty pointless and ridiculous. Is an embodied Sauron (riding on a warg) going to rip it off Aragorn's neck and say "Ha! That's for your ancestor cutting off my fingers and stealing my Ring!"? Or will Jackson have Pippin accidentally break it? Who knows, though I shudder to think...

[Dúnedain]

Ok people, let me ask you one question. Has the movie been released and I just haven't known about it? Exactly, it hasn't, so stop jumping to conclusions until you see it with your eyes...Yes some of the stuff is true, but a lot of things that are out there are nothing but fabrication...

Then again, that's just my opinion :D

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
Ok people, let me ask you one question. Has the movie been released and I just haven't known about it? Exactly, it hasn't, so stop jumping to conclusions until you see it with your eyes...Yes some of the stuff is true, but a lot of things that are out there are nothing but fabrication...

Then again, that's just my opinion :D
Well I think I can go by jackson's passed history. let's see - the Flight to the Ford, the Wizards Duel, the exorcism of Theoden, Faramir dragging Frodo to Osgiliath. I think we can expect more of the same ridiculous changes in RotK. :rolleyes:

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Well I think I can go by jackson's passed history. let's see - the Flight to the Ford, the Wizards Duel, the exorcism of Theoden, Faramir dragging Frodo to Osgiliath. I think we can expect more of the same ridiculous changes in RotK. :rolleyes:

Why is negative stuff always said about PJ :rolleyes: And he didn't do anything positive? Come on now...

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
Why is negative stuff always said about PJ :rolleyes: And he didn't do anything positive? Come on now...
I have posted the postive things. All you have to do is read them in the various threads. When I talk about the bad stuff - which in my opion outweighs the good - do I have to mention a good thing? I don't think so.

And why is such negative stuff said about jackson - because he's a hack. He took a book that could have been made into a GREAT movie and created an action flick. Lord of the Rings should have been so much more - not just a dumbed down typical hollywood action movie.

[zinnite]

I think he did some great things--the fact that he pulled off the whole thing in the first place amazes me. He did get quite a bit "right;" but, he also did some things pretty terribly.

At the end of the day, I know I'm going to love ROTK, just like I did the others, despite some major flaws. I also know that when I want the *real* LOTR, all I have to do is open a book.

[Finrod Felagund]

Originally posted by LuthienTinuviel
Tower guards look like thy've got great white ears, in stead of elegant seabird wings
scouring and grey havens aren't mentioned anywhere.


Actually I thought the wings on the helmets looked ok.

And if you look at the soundtrack info, the Havens are quite obviously in the film.

[Turambar1982]

Ok people, let me ask you one question. Has the movie been released and I just haven't known about it? Exactly, it hasn't, so stop jumping to conclusions until you see it with your eyes...


I have to agree with dunedain there. lets first watch the movie and then decide if pj messed up or not.

Originally posted by zinnite
This one (about the Evenstar) seems pretty pointless and ridiculous. Is an embodied Sauron (riding on a warg) going to rip it off Aragorn's neck and say "Ha! That's for your ancestor cutting off my fingers and stealing my Ring!"? Or will Jackson have Pippin accidentally break it? Who knows, though I shudder to think...

Wait and see how it happens. maybe it has a good explanation, although it really seems pointless.

[LuthienTinuviel]

well, my source was a book from newline baout the upcoming movie, so i'd say it was pretty dern reliable.

haha, JD i completly agree with you on something!:p
amazing.

it's not really the fact the the evenstar breaks, it's the quote from around that statement.
i haven't go thte book, so here's the gist.
"the power of the evenstar is broken, and all thoughout middle earth the effect is felt..." or something..
uh oh, more story line changes.

i know im going to love this movie, it's my favourite book out of the three, and im sure it will be done well.. but now, instead of obsessively excited, im more cautiously excited...

[Rosie Gamgee]

Well, the Grey Havens are definately gonna be there, cuz I've read too much saying or hinting that they are. And we already knew that Scouring wasn't gonna be in it.
If I had a stress ball I would have already shredded it. The last book has so many exciting, tender, hopeless, and hope-filled parts that I hope PJ doesn't butcher them just to make the Battle of Pellanor Fields the all-important element.

[Elf Girl]

Except with Saruman gone it /is/ the all-important element.

Did you see /any/ Saruman in the companion, LuthienTinuviel?

*is desperatly trying to prove that Saruman will be in the movie*

You know, I'm glad he's cutting all that stuff! He can't steal my imangination of those from me just because I want to be in the debates!

[Lizra]

Yeah, I'll still expect to see then there. Hopefully the leak is looney. Whatever! :mad:

[hectorberlioz]

I just read a little piece in USA today that said Christopher Lee bieng extremely upset about his not bieng in rotk.
then it had a little quote by jackson that read
"its a fun little piece, but i feel its continueing the two towers instead of starting return of the king"
ummm, it should be like that...jackson. lotr is supposed to be one book....

[Sheeana]

Oh well, so much for the Saruman dying on a spikey wheel thing. :rolleyes:

[Black Breathalizer]

You guys just have to wait a little longer. It will all be in the ROTK extended edition.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
You guys just have to wait a little longer. It will all be in the ROTK extended edition.
Why does it have to be in the extended edition? If it's an important enough part to have in the movie -then it should be in the movie. The extended edition is just scenes they decided to cut and have pasted back into an extended edition to make more money. :rolleyes:

[Sheeana]

Jersey Devil, meet Brickwall, Brickwall, meet Jersey Devil...

[hectorberlioz]

I'm surprised Christopher Tolkien hasnt complained about PJ's changing so much.
I guess it was a lot of money.........

[hectorberlioz]

here.
"Since The Two Towers couldn't sustain a 7 min 'wrap' after Helm's Deep, we thought it would be a good idea to save it for the beginning of the Return of the King," says Jackson. "The trouble is, when we viewed various ROTK cuts over the last few weeks, it feels like the first scenes are wrapping last year's movie, instead of starting the new one. We felt it got ROTK off to an uncertain beginning, since Saruman plays no role in the events of ROTK (we don't have the Scouring later, as the book does), yet we dwell in Isengard for quite a long time before our new story kicks off."

My Commentary: we dont care. we want saruman in!

[LuthienTinuviel]

oi, oi , oi..

mixed feelings settting in...

hopelessness ensueing..

....it's growing dark...








:rolleyes:

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Hector: Actually, I think it's Tolkien Enterprises (a company that bought the rights) that gets the money, not the Tolkien Estate. As for Christopher Tolkien, he has remained absolutely silent about it, I believe.

[Falagar]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
I'm surprised Christopher Tolkien hasnt complained about PJ's changing so much.
I guess it was a lot of money.........
He doesn't like the films (had a fight with his son over it, if the rumours are true), but he can't do anything about it. The movie-rights were never his, all he can do is sit and watch.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Falagar
He doesn't like the films (had a fight with his son over it, if the rumours are true), but he can't do anything about it. The movie-rights were never his, all he can do is sit and watch.
That's what I had heard too. That Christopher hated Jackson doing the movies. I don't necessarily think he is completely against the books being made into a movie - but I think he was against the type of movie that Jackson made.

[zinnite]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
That's what I had heard too. That Christopher hated Jackson doing the movies. I don't necessarily think he is completely against the books being made into a movie - but I think he was against the type of movie that Jackson made.
I came across a BBC artcle a while back about the issue, and it turns out it is a rumor. However, he (Christopher) only said the rumors weren't true (about his son, public remarks regarding the films); he didn't say one way or the other how he himself felt about the films. I'll try to find the article and link to it here, if the link is still working (I read it many months ago, and it was quite old when I found it).

My guess is, though, he won't be rushing out to the video store on Tuesday or standing in line for tickets in December ;)

[hectorberlioz]

Hector: Actually, I think it's Tolkien Enterprises (a company that bought the rights) that gets the money, not the Tolkien Estate. As for Christopher Tolkien, he has remained absolutely silent about it, I believe.
oh, i see.

He doesn't like the films (had a fight with his son over it, if the rumours are true), but he can't do anything about it. The movie-rights were never his, all he can do is sit and watch.
oh, i see more to the puzzle...

That's what I had heard too. That Christopher hated Jackson doing the movies. I don't necessarily think he is completely against the books being made into a movie - but I think he was against the type of movie that Jackson made.
interesting...

[Curufinwe]

From the BBC dated Friday, 7 December, 2001


"My own position is that The Lord Of The Rings is peculiarly unsuitable to transformation into visual dramatic form," he said.

"The suggestions that have been made that I 'disapprove' of the films, vent to the extent of thinking ill of those with whom I may differ, are wholly without foundation."

He added that he had never "expressed any such feeling".

link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/1697884.stm

[zinnite]

That's the article, you beat me to the punch. :)

[TopazJedi]

Tower guards look like thy've got great white ears, in stead of elegant seabird wings

I don't know about the wings. They looked okay to me, and from what i can tell, those helmets were the ceremonial armor, not the regular ones (those we saw pretty plainly in the FOTR prologue) This is the helmet you are talking about, right? http://home.comcast.net/~jedirose1/miscrotk20.jpg Do you think you could scan in the broken evenstar picture in and post it?

[LuthienTinuviel]

the book didn't have a picture of the broken evenstar (otherwise i'd frame it.. now that the nasty looking piece is busted) it just says that the evenstar "shatters".. i may be able to scan in the passage if you can't take my word for it, but i'll have to do t later, i've got family over now, and can only get away for small amounts of time..

[Daughter of Elros]

alright then. Who's with me? a convention. we'll get ahold of some of those lovely ME weaspons and use them in various painful ways on PJ. or whoever made these descisions.

and by the way- Spoiler-

cutting scens from the house of healing. damn you to the inner fires of eternal hell, PJ, damn you.

ah well. I suppose that I won't kill PJ. or injur. being as he's done well so far. not great, but failry well. I may send a strongly worded letter though


Or twenty.
*g*

-DoE

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Daughter of Elros
cutting scens from the house of healing. damn you to the inner fires of eternal hell, PJ, damn you.
I don't see why it would be surprising that he would cut that out. It's not action oriented. I guess he could have changed to action - have a couple of stray orcs come in and then Faramir jumps up and protects Eowym. That is how she falls in love with him adn gets over Aragorn.

This it the scene - 20 orcs storm into the houses of healing. Faramir awakes to see them pawing at Eowyn. He jumps up and stands between them and her. He fights and fends off the 20 orcs single handedly. The camera moves to slow motion - showing Faramir slashing and thrusting at the orcs with his blade. The shot then pans to Eowyn. You see her clasp here hands together abover her heart and let's out a big sigh as if to say "Oh my hero" :rolleyes: That's how Jackson does things.

[thranduil]

Originally posted by Daughter of Elros
alright then. Who's with me? a convention. we'll get ahold of some of those lovely ME weaspons and use them in various painful ways on PJ. or whoever made these descisions.

and by the way- Spoiler-

cutting scens from the house of healing. damn you to the inner fires of eternal hell, PJ, damn you.

ah well. I suppose that I won't kill PJ. or injur. being as he's done well so far. not great, but failry well. I may send a strongly worded letter though


Or twenty.
*g*

-DoE

You seem more upset that HOH is cut then SOTS. I personally don't mind HOH being cut, but I didn't really expect it to be in there anyways.

[cassiopeia]

If you want some "interesting" ROTK spoilers, go here (http://www.frodosharem.org/Docs/rotkspoilers.htm)

Anybody want to go and strangle PJ? :( I'm sorry, but Frodo sending Sam back home is the stupidest thing PJ has done so far. I fear the ROTK will be nothing more than a big battle on Pelennor Fields. :rolleyes:

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by cassiopeia
If you want some "interesting" ROTK spoilers, go here (http://www.frodosharem.org/Docs/rotkspoilers.htm)

Anybody want to go and strangle PJ? :( I'm sorry, but Frodo sending Sam back home is the stupidest thing PJ has done so far. I fear the ROTK will be nothing more than a big battle on Pelennor Fields. :rolleyes:
Does this give me permission to continue to strangle PJ? :D Oh - and to create toliet paper with his face on it.

[cassiopeia]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Does this give me permission to continue to strangle PJ? :D Oh - and to create toliet paper with his face on it.

Of course. Too bad you weren't doing it a few years ago when they were filming. :)

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by cassiopeia
Of course. Too bad you weren't doing it a few years ago when they were filming. :)
Well - back then I thought the movies were going to be the way jackson was describing them. "oh - I can't change that - the fans would have my head". or "This is a movie by a fan for the fans of Lord of the Rings". :rolleyes: If I knew then what I know now - I would have been.

[Artanis]

Originally posted by cassiopeia
If you want some "interesting" ROTK spoilers, go here (http://www.frodosharem.org/Docs/rotkspoilers.htm) Better than I feared. But only 10 minutes of conclusion after the destruction of the Ring seems all too short.

[Black Breathalizer]

Thank you for posting the spoiler link, cassiopeia. That was quite interesting.

[BeardofPants]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
- and to create toliet paper with his face on it.

Too late.... Although, perhaps your version won't leave vivid-pen marks on my butt... :rolleyes:

[thranduil]

Originally posted by cassiopeia
If you want some "interesting" ROTK spoilers, go here (http://www.frodosharem.org/Docs/rotkspoilers.htm)

Anybody want to go and strangle PJ? :( I'm sorry, but Frodo sending Sam back home is the stupidest thing PJ has done so far. :

I can't tell you how, but I have received the "official" script.

Gollum- Doess master no why filthy fat hobbit stays fatsss?
Sam- Hold on there stinker!
Frodo- quiet Sam, let Gollum speak!
Gollum- Fat hobbit has been eating your share of the filthy elvish foodsss!
Frodo gasps!
Gollum throws Sam a quick smirk
Frodo- Sam how could you!
Sam- Its not true Mr. Frodo! Theres not much left in him but lies and deceipt!
Frodo- Hes been true to his word!
Sam looking heartbroken.
Sam- No Mr. Frodo.
Frodo- Sam, go home.
Sam turns around and slowly walks away with his head down.

A few scenes later.

Shelob is having a tuff time finishing off this little runt.
Frodo's consious while battling with Shelob- I could really use Sams help right now.
Sams is sitting on a rock with a depressed look on his face and he realizes something- What have I done!!!! Gandalf said don't you leave him old Samwise Gamgee.
Sam realizes he needs to help Frodo, gets up and runs through the caves and finds Frodo about to be stung by a giant spider!
Frodo sees Sam and yells- My dear Sam, I'm sorry for sending you home, youve come back just in the nick of time!
Sam seeing mr. Frodo in danger acts quickly. Sam runs and jumps on his back, slides under the spider and sticks his blade up (sword) and the spider sinks right into it.
Sam- that was a close one, right Mr. Frodo. Sam- Mr. Frodo?
Sam- Frodo???
Sam looks at Frodo and sees that Frodo has been stung!!!
Sam sobs and the audience cries!!!!!! (non tolkein audience!)

Hey it looks like this scene might not be so bad after all!:D jk

[Black Breathalizer]

That is totally ridiculous. Why make it spoiler-proof? It is total fantasy. Someone is pulling our leg. Frodo and Sam may well separate but it sure as hell won't happen that way.

[mithrand1r]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
I don't see why it would be surprising that he would cut that out. It's not action oriented. I guess he could have changed to action - have a couple of stray orcs come in and then Faramir jumps up and protects Eowym. That is how she falls in love with him adn gets over Aragorn.

This it the scene - 20 orcs storm into the houses of healing. Faramir awakes to see them pawing at Eowyn. He jumps up and stands between them and her. He fights and fends off the 20 orcs single handedly. The camera moves to slow motion - showing Faramir slashing and thrusting at the orcs with his blade. The shot then pans to Eowyn. You see her clasp here hands together abover her heart and let's out a big sigh as if to say "Oh my hero" :rolleyes: That's how Jackson does things.

If you want to do the scene right, then why not hand Faramir a chainsaw and be done with it. :) :p

I can just picture it now. The hum of the motor. The Howard Shore musical score (or if you prefer Puccini ;)). The slow motion hacking and slicing of orc limbs, heads, etc. with blood splatter in all directions. After the orcs are dispatched, Eowyn & Faramir embrace and the scene fades to black.

It would be an improvement. ;) (j/k)

[Khamûl]

Does Gollum do what he does in the book on the stairs of Cirth Ungol -- return to find Frodo asleep and then go to caress him, possibly turning good again...before Sam wakes up and catches him?

noOf course not, that would be too subtle for PJ. :rolleyes: And I love that scene too.

Assuming that that guy actually has seen the movie.

[kennebecc]

>>Assuming that that guy actually has seen the movie<<

He's seen the movie. There are far more spoilers than the ones posted . . Marty has an entire thread devoted to it. He saw the movie on Thanksgiving Day and agreed to a Q&A type spoiler thread. He did it last year for The Two Towers too.

Here's the entire thread . . do not go here unless you don't mind being heavily spoiled.



Heavy SPOILERS: Marty's Spoiler Filled ROTK Q&A (http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=13&threadid=74209)

[Artanis]

OMG!
No Faramir & Eowyn romance! :( :(

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Artanis
OMG!
No Faramir & Eowyn romance! :( :(
So - I see that the number of Jackson haters will be going up. :D I hope people accept the movies for what they are soon - ACTION movies. I'm sure the hour long Pelenor Fields battle will be great. I'm sure the Army of the Dead will be great. But the sad thing is - there was SO MUCH more to the stories than ACTION SCENES!!!! :mad:

[squinteyedsoutherner]

According to Marty:


How long is the Battle for the Pelennor fields? Most of the film
Is it longer than Helm''s Deep?
yes

That's certainly what I was fearing.

[zinnite]

Originally posted by squinteyedsoutherner
According to Marty:


How long is the Battle for the Pelennor fields? Most of the film
Is it longer than Helm''s Deep?
yes

That's certainly what I was fearing.
I have read in several articles that Pelennor battle takes up fully one-third of the film. And don't forget about the battle at the Black Gate. Almost all of the film is going to be battle scenes. Which makes me wonder why some potentially great action scenes, such as Gandalf's confrontation with the Witch King, are not going to be included? (I have read that in several "major spoilers" articles here and there, so it may or may not be true...)

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by squinteyedsoutherner
According to Marty:


How long is the Battle for the Pelennor fields? Most of the film
Is it longer than Helm''s Deep?
yes

That's certainly what I was fearing.
I'm not surprised though. :rolleyes: So when do we start gathering the lynch mob? :p

[zinnite]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
I'm not surprised though. :rolleyes: So when do we start gathering the lynch mob? :p
Well, I already have my tickets for the 17th, so I'm going to play 'wait and see.' I'm free on the 18th, though... ;)

[cassiopeia]

I have another ROTK spoiler for ya all:

Denethor sets himself on fire, but instead of burning on the pyre, he runs out of the citadel and into a river. I'll leave it up to JD to comment on that. :)

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by cassiopeia
I have another ROTK spoiler for ya all:

Denethor sets himself on fire, but instead of burning on the pyre, he runs out of the citadel and into a river. I'll leave it up to JD to comment on that. :)
Hmmmmmmmm. Let me put it this way - do I kill Jackson now - or later? Can anyone say overblown action? :rolleyes:

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Spoilers.

Jackson is a bad man. :(

[zinnite]

Originally posted by cassiopeia
I have another ROTK spoiler for ya all:

Denethor sets himself on fire, but instead of burning on the pyre, he runs out of the citadel and into a river. I'll leave it up to JD to comment on that. :)
So, does that imply Faramir is not attacked by Nazgul, does not almost die, and is not almost burned alive by Denethor and saved at the last minute by Pippin, Beregond, and Gandalf?
Damn.

[cassiopeia]

In case you're wondering where I'm getting all these spoilers, I have some friends who have been lucky enough to watch some early screenings of the ROTK.

About Faramir: he is attacked and dragged into the city by a horse.

Heavy Spoilers

Arwen apparently rides to the Havens with the other elves -- she has decided to leave Middle-earth -- but has a vision of an elf child and knows it's hers because it has the Evenstar. So she goes back to Rivendell. ???

Aragorn meets Elrond and Elrond TELLS him to take the Paths of the Dead. ???

At some point during the Frodo/Shelob scene, Frodo and Gollum fight, and Frodo pushes Gollum of a cliff! ???

And lastly the Grey Havens. Gandalf rides with Bilbo in a cart, and the four hobbits travel to the Havens. Gandalf says it's time to go and Frodo gives Sam the books, kisses him on the head and gets on the ship and smiles.

??? is indicative of me swearing and wanting to do bad things to PJ. :rolleyes:

[cassiopeia]

Well, I've found out what happens regarding the palantir.

Pippin finds it in the waters of Isengard and goes and picks it up. Saruman and Grima are not at all in the movie. So Saruman just lets his precious palantir float away. Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

I've read lots of very detailed reviews of the movie, and while I'm very disapointed at many scenes -- especially many Sam and Frodo scenes -- I think I will enjoy the movie. It could have been better, but it's too late now. :(

[Artanis]

Originally posted by cassiopeia
Aragorn meets Elrond and Elrond TELLS him to take the Paths of the Dead. ???
That's almost as in the book, it is just a direct communication instead of a messenger between them.

Hadn't heard of the Frodo/Gollum thing before, it doesn't sound good.

[cassiopeia]

I agree it is somewhat like the book, but from what I recall Elrond only says via his sons to remember the Paths of the Dead -- not actually telling him to go. I suppose it's not as bad as other changes.

[Nurvingiel]

Originally posted by cassiopeia
Arwen apparently rides to the Havens with the other elves -- she has decided to leave Middle-earth -- but has a vision of an elf child and knows it's hers because it has the Evenstar. So she goes back to Rivendell. ??? Isn't there some random pointless scene in TTT where Arwen is riding away, right before the battle of Helm's deep.