Scenes PJ got right [Archive]

thranduil

11-07-2003, 12:45 PM

Everyone always complains that the "Flight to the Ford" with arwen was horrible, and there upset that Glorfindel was taken out. Think about this. If PJ kept Glorfindel and did the scene like the book, would you even appreciate it? Would you ever be gratefull that he did it, or just keep looking at the scenes he has changed. I am guessing some of us would just take the scene for grantite.

Like Bilbo's party for example, no one really talks about that scene. It really was great and pretty true to the book. Keeping dialog and everything. (Except two little hobbits lighting fireworks, and no flash when Bilbo puts on the ring.) But instead of talking about how good he portrayed this scene people just bag it. I for one think the Party scene was brilliant and PJ made it come to life like I had imagined it. He needs to get some credit for the scenes he made work.

Another scene is the banished Riders meeting Aragorn and company. Yes they hid behind rocks instead of blending in with their cloaks, but small changes really don't matter. The shot kept with the book and made an excellent scene.

There really are lots of great parts of the movies that Jackson certainly deserves his far share of respect, from some real tolkein fans.

flupke

11-07-2003, 01:11 PM

you are absolutely right.
PJ did a great gob.
he made the characters come to life every time.
he made good scenes and realy good scenes.

you can't blame him.
;)

Elfhelm

11-07-2003, 01:16 PM

I wouldn't take any scene in the movie for granite. I have been advised not to interpret Tolkien in a metamorphical way. But I do object to excessive sedimentality in the Arwen scene.

Melko Belcha

11-07-2003, 01:24 PM

The Flight to the Ford scene didn't bother me because Arwen replaced Glorfindel, it was not letting Frodo ride to the Fords himself and his confritation with the Nazgul. The scene in the book for me is a major part to the development of Frodo's character and much more cinematic then what was done in the film. In the book we have a wounded Frodo (a wound that would have overcome even the strongest of Men) standing up to the chief commander of the Dark Lord. And Frodo raising his sword and saying "By Elbereth and Luthien the fair, you shall nether the Ring nor me" and then the Witch king standing up in his saddle and pointing his sword toward Frodo and Frodo's sword shattering is much more cinematic and has much more tension then "If you want him come and claim him".

Now I will say there are some scenes that PJ hit perfect and did great tribute to the book, but it's because of those parts that make me hate the changes so much more. Every scene that he gets right just shows me how good the movie could have been if it would have been followed more closely. For every good scene captured from the book makes the additions that much worse.

thranduil

11-07-2003, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by Melko Belcha
In the book we have a wounded Frodo (a wound that would have overcome even the strongest of Men) standing up to the chief commander of the Dark Lord. And Frodo raising his sword and saying "By Elbereth and Luthien the fair, you shall nether the Ring nor me"

Lets see Frodo offered the ring to Gandalf, Galadriel, Aragorn (okay not really), a nazgul (ttt), man I don't see why he didn't just offer it to him. :D Okay I agree it is a great part, showing how brave and willing Frodo can be.

Another scene that was pretty sweet was entering Khazad dum. Admit! it was portrayed just llike the book! The overflown lakes edges spreading far and to the edges of the mountains. And a puzzling entrance used by the elves. A creature that come from under the mountain into the flooded valley lake.

I see your point Melko, with every good scene it does show how well he could have done the scenes he changed. But I try to think of It as the good scenes over power the ones that have been changed. In a sense make up for the others. I think that good scenes have more weight than bad scenes.

Cassius

11-07-2003, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by Melko Belcha
The Flight to the Ford scene didn't bother me because Arwen replaced Glorfindel, it was not letting Frodo ride to the Fords himself and his confritation with the Nazgul. The scene in the book for me is a major part to the development of Frodo's character and much more cinematic then what was done in the film. In the book we have a wounded Frodo (a wound that would have overcome even the strongest of Men) standing up to the chief commander of the Dark Lord. And Frodo raising his sword and saying "By Elbereth and Luthien the fair, you shall nether the Ring nor me" and then the Witch king standing up in his saddle and pointing his sword toward Frodo and Frodo's sword shattering is much more cinematic and has much more tension then "If you want him come and claim him".

Exactly what I think. I also believe that. Frodo is made to seem more helpless in the movies. Where is that inner courage that Tolkien focusus on. :confused:

But I have to agree with thranduil about Moria. It was the best, period. The whole mines were extrodinarily good. The gates were as Tolkien himself drew them And we can't forget how well the Balrog was depicted. It followed every single detail that Tolkien wrote, from the sword to the many pronged whip to the shadow and flame.

Bacchus

11-07-2003, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by Cassius
And we can't forget how well the Balrog was depicted. It followed every single detail that Tolkien wrote, from the sword to the many pronged whip to the shadow and flame.
Not to mention those appendages on its back...:D

Sister Golden Hair

11-07-2003, 02:51 PM

I thought you would bring that up.:p

Cassius

11-07-2003, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by Bacchus
Not to mention those appendages on its back...:D

er?:confused:

The wings?:confused:

making no sense, must...rack...brain...for...answer...

Sister Golden Hair

11-07-2003, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by Cassius
er?:confused:

The wings?:confused:

making no sense, must...rack...brain...for...answer... Yes, of course that's what he means.:p

Cassius

11-07-2003, 04:08 PM

I was just confused, since I have run across people (not neccessarliy on this site) that think that the spine of fire is an appendage of some sort. :confused: I am as confused as you are with that one but I had to make sure. It still is a little embarrassing though...:o

But yes, my point is that I doubt anyone could have done better, as you will/would read in my Khazad Dum thread.

Bacchus

11-07-2003, 04:12 PM

Sorry, Cassius, i was making a joke. The wings/no wings debate is legendary. My personal opinion is that balrogs had wings, and i was having fun with the fact that PJ agrees with me.

Cassius

11-07-2003, 04:28 PM

The winged debate isn't really active in my area (where I live). I have to say I agree with you about it. Jokes are fun when made in good cheer.

*side note* would anyone respond to a thread (in a different forum) about how the Balrog was woken up?

Sister Golden Hair

11-07-2003, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by Cassius
The winged debate isn't really active in my area (where I live). I have to say I agree with you about it. Jokes are fun when made in good cheer.

*side note* would anyone respond to a thread (in a different forum) about how the Balrog was woken up? You may want to do a search first. IIRC, there are threads about that. If you don't find anything more recent than six months old, than feel free.

Cassius

11-07-2003, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
You may want to do a search first. IIRC, there are threads about that. If you don't find anything more recent than six months old, than feel free.

I shall do so, thanks for the input.

One more thing about what Jackson did right was the appearance of the ringwraiths. I have a figure of one on my T.V., and it is just so cool looking. Did you know that the song for the wraiths is sung in the old human language?

Cassius

11-07-2003, 04:48 PM

Oops, i forgot what IIRC was:o

azalea

11-07-2003, 10:28 PM

If I Remember Correctly.

Lalaith

11-08-2003, 05:53 AM

I have to agree, all in all it was a really good movie.

jerseydevil

11-08-2003, 06:23 AM

Originally posted by thranduil

Another scene that was pretty sweet was entering Khazad dum. Admit! it was portrayed just llike the book! The overflown lakes edges spreading far and to the edges of the mountains. And a puzzling entrance used by the elves. A creature that come from under the mountain into the flooded valley lake.

Entering Moria is not that accurate - there are no dwarf skeletons lying around. Most of it is okay before that part except for gandalf ridiculousl pushing the gates of moria inward to try opening them - when he knows full well they only open outward. :rolleyes:

I see your point Melko, with every good scene it does show how well he could have done the scenes he changed. But I try to think of It as the good scenes over power the ones that have been changed. In a sense make up for the others. I think that good scenes have more weight than bad scenes.
i disagree - because the screw-ups have a long lasting affect to the whole plot. There is no way he can fix aragorn in my eyes, Frodo has wasted time being dragged to Osgiliath - not to mention trying to GIVE the ring to the nazgul who just ends up flying away. There are too many character changes and plot changes for me to be statisfied and right now I wish the xena-elf would just die.

I also agree with Melko - i did not have a problem with Arwen or anyone taking Glorfindel's place. As far as Lord of the Rings was concerned he was a minor character overall. My problem was with taking the strenght of frodo and giving it to xena-elf. Frodo needed that moment for character development.

The Balrog scene was really one of the few scenes I liked. I liked the scenary of the Shire - but gandalf and his stupid facial expressions annoyed me - he was more clown than wizard. I hated Merry and Pippin - who were my favorite characters in the book. The party was good - except for again - the town idiots - merry and Pippin. They seemed pretty braindead. The camera shot going down into the caverns of isengard was cool - but then it continues on and follows that stupid moth up to orthanc. Rivendell was cool - but then you have the ridiculous council and arrgogant Elrond. Not to mention that stupid Narsil scene where Aragorn is all weeping that he's weak and is afraid of his heritage. The Balrog was my favorite scene - but then Gandalf does that stupid fall thing. Lothlorien was okay - except then you have Haldir with a double chin and five o'clock shadow and the ice queen Galadriel.

There I added some stuff that I liked - but the hated moments far out weigh what I like in the movie.

Valandil

11-08-2003, 06:31 AM

JD, sounds like you might be happier if you just skip the third... or are you planning to go anyway?

jerseydevil

11-08-2003, 06:36 AM

Originally posted by Valandil
JD, sounds like you might be happier if you just skip the third... or are you planning to go anyway?
I was going to go - 12:01am of course - just like a frigging lemming. :rolleyes: Anyway - I need to be able to say what i like and don't like about the movie. I did actually come back from TT with some positive reviews - but that was mostly because Jackson hacked up FotR so much - my expectations couldn't have been more low. Anyway - have to see what major part Jackson completely screws up in RotK now.

Nazgul King Squirrel

11-08-2003, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by thranduil
Everyone always complains that the "Flight to the Ford" with arwen was horrible, and there upset that Glorfindel was taken out. Think about this. If PJ kept Glorfindel and did the scene like the book, would you even appreciate it? Would you ever be gratefull that he did it, or just keep looking at the scenes he has changed. I am guessing some of us would just take the scene for grantite.

While I would have liked to see Glorfindel, it could have been substituted with little harm to the plot. The problem was the way PJ made further changes to that.

It was not necessary to have Aragorn surprised by Arwen. In fact, I thing if he had stick to the book there he could have managed easily a good scene, with more tension that the one on film. Neither was it necessary to have Arwen ride with Frodo. What for?

Super-elf faces the riders, so?

Having Arwen act as Glorfindel and temporarily partially healing Frodo, putting him on a horse, pursued by the black riders and letting him have his moment, despite the apparent impending doom, only to be saved by Gandalf and Elrond, well, that would have work better, much better.

As for Bilbo, I have enjoyed much that part.:p

Sheeana

11-08-2003, 02:55 PM

Yes, JD really hates the movies... How many times did you go and watch Fellowship, JD? :rolleyes: :p

hectorberlioz

11-08-2003, 03:23 PM

I think all the bilbo in shire scenes were all very well done. I think that goes for most of the shire parts as well.

jerseydevil

11-08-2003, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by Sheeana
Yes, JD really hates the movies... How many times did you go and watch Fellowship, JD? :rolleyes: :p
I went like 8 times trying to like the damn movie. I have always admitted that I had gone multiple times - it didn't mean I actually liked them. I really was trying to like them though. With Two Towers I gave up - I only saw twice.

thranduil

11-08-2003, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
I think all the bilbo in shire scenes were all very well done. I think that goes for most of the shire parts as well.

I would say that mostly goes for all of us. These parts really were well done. JD admit I bet you even liked these parts.

jerseydevil

11-08-2003, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by thranduil
I would say that mostly goes for all of us. These parts really were well done. JD admit I bet you even liked these parts.
I have never complained about those parts. Except when it came to Gandalf hitting his head oin the chandelier. I don't like Gandalf in the movies - but that doesn't really have anything to do with Biblo - even if they are in the same scene.

thranduil

11-08-2003, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by jerseydevil
I have never complained about those parts. Except when it came to Gandalf hitting his head oin the chandelier. I don't like Gandalf in the movies - but that doesn't really have anything to do with Biblo - even if they are in the same scene.

Oh don't tell me the chandelier scene was overdone too. Ha, was that too much action that wasn't in the book?:D

Sister Golden Hair

11-08-2003, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by thranduil
Oh don't tell me the chandelier scene was overdone too. Ha, was that too much action that wasn't in the book?:D That wasn't in the book, but I see no problem with throwing in some humor in the movies as long as they don't get carried away with it like they did with Gimli.

jerseydevil

11-08-2003, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by thranduil
Oh don't tell me the chandelier scene was overdone too. Ha, was that too much action that wasn't in the book?:D
I had a problem with it because jackson portrayed Gandalf has a dottering old fool. Walking behind Saruman wimpering "Oh - please there is more time right?" - with Elrond talking down to him, with trying push the gates of moria inward when he KNEW they only opened outward (ha ha ha ha :rolleyes:) Then Gandalf's stupid a$$ facial expressions. Gandalf is another character jackson hacked and reduced down to a hollywood cliche.

By the way - with how many times Gandalf had been in Bag End - you would think he would have enough brains to remember that the chandelier was there. I was an Isatari.

thranduil

11-08-2003, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by jerseydevil
I had a problem with it because jackson portrayed Gandalf has a dottering old fool. Walking behind Saruman wimpering "Oh - please there is more time right?"

I was an Isatari. :D

Really, How?

Saruman is head of the white council, it is not unreasonable that gandalf looked up too him and agreed with him. As for dottering old fool, I think you've gone off your rocker.

But apparently you can not enjoy any good old humor. Since I guess humor was not in the books.

jerseydevil

11-08-2003, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by thranduil
Saruman is head of the white council, it is not unreasonable that gandalf looked up too him and agreed with him.

They were respectful toward each other - gandalf would not have been following behind Saruman begging for forgiveness.

As for dottering old fool, I think you've gone off your rocker.

Why - when it was demostrated over and over again. His facial expressions, his hitting his head, him pushing the gate of moria inward, his wimpering behind saruman, his wimpering while talking to Elrond.

But apparently you can not enjoy any good old humor. Since I guess humor was not in the books.
I can enjoy humor - and I have many stupid comedies - but makingcheap comic things was unnecessary in LotR. There were plenty of humor in the Lord of the Rings itself - without having to resort to cheap site gag stuff.

Earniel

11-08-2003, 05:51 PM

Nehheh. A thread about the scenes that PJ supposedly got right and it's turned again in a debate on what he didn't get right. :p

Radagast The Brown

11-08-2003, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by Eärniel
Nehheh. A thread about the scenes that PJ supposedly got right and it's turned again in a debate on what he didn't get right. :p :p

I do agree with JD about most things in his first post. Elrond was horible, and Gandalf was an idiot, not becuase of the doors of Moria though, because I can guarantee 99% of the people who watched the movie didn't notice, and if noticed didn't know anyway (I didn't notice :o). I think the scene with Boromir and Aragoern was unnecessary.

jerseydevil

11-08-2003, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by Eärniel
Nehheh. A thread about the scenes that PJ supposedly got right and it's turned again in a debate on what he didn't get right. :p
That's because there isn't much to discuss when it comes to things Jackson got right. :D :p

Earniel

11-08-2003, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by jerseydevil
That's because there isn't much to discuss when it comes to things Jackson got right. :D :p

And there are already so much threads where you can discuss just that. But perhaps we can try to keep this thread for the good points, no? However rare you may find them. :p ;)

As for that I think that Bilbo's birthday party looked rather well done. It looked cheerful and, well, hobbit-y IMO. :D

jerseydevil

11-08-2003, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by Eärniel
As for that I think that Bilbo's birthday party looked rather well done. It looked cheerful and, well, hobbit-y IMO. :D
Okay - done. Thread can be closed - we discussed the one item Jackson got right. :D

He did screw it up with Merry and Pippin - the town idiots

Balrog_of_Morgoth

11-09-2003, 01:57 AM

There are all kinds of small and large things that he has gotten right. Here are some of my favs off the top of my head:

Bilbo's party
Orthanc
How the ring itself is depicted
Balrog/Moria/Bridge of KD
Argonath/Falls of Rauros
Black Riders
Casting 90% excellent
Looking for King's Foil (up until Arwen arrived)
Weathertop (for the most part)

Balin's Tomb - just as I imagined it, even though the fight with the troll was different

Caradhras
Rohan

Earniel

11-09-2003, 08:38 AM

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Okay - done. Thread can be closed - we discussed the one item Jackson got right. :D

He did screw it up with Merry and Pippin - the town idiots

JD, you're impossible. :p

Elvengirl

11-09-2003, 09:25 AM

I thought most of the extended scenes were good. They added a lot more accuracy to the story. The gift giving scene was very good, except for Sam's gift.
I thought the Moria/Balrog scene was awesome.
I loved the Shire/ birthday party scenes.
several others too

To me the good scenes outway the bad. The reason I like the movies is because in the scenes that are pretty accurate (maybe not 100%, but pretty close) I feel as if I am watching the books, I am seeing Middle Earth. It's awesome. Yes, there are scenes were I am just well...:mad: , but I didn't expect them to be perfect. There is no way PJ can make up for some of the damage he has done. But there are scenes that were very well done and I appreciate seeing them. When watching them now I just skip the scenes I don't like and it's all good :)

Cassius

11-11-2003, 05:16 PM

Moria is the indisputable champion of coolness!!!

jerseydevil

11-11-2003, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by Elvengirl
When watching them now I just skip the scenes I don't like and it's all good :)
There is nothing that jackson can do to make up for Flight to the Ford and I can't skip over all of xena-elf. I wish I could replace jackson's Flight to the Ford with Bakshi's.

Radagast The Brown

11-11-2003, 05:39 PM

originally posted by Balrog_of_Morgoth
Balrog/Moria/Bridge of KDMoria was good, I agree. My problem was with the balrog. I hated him. His face and horns made him look like a cow to me.

I have no problems with all your other scenes that are mentioned.

I think that mainly the movie is good - it can be better, it's not perfect, but I enjoyed watching it. (at least most partsof it...)

thranduil

11-12-2003, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by Radagast The Brown
Moria was good, I agree. My problem was with the balrog. I hated him. His face and horns made him look like a cow to me.

I would have thought you like him judging by your picture!
HaHa! Well you might want to edit your profile then.:D

crickhollow

11-22-2003, 04:14 AM

The thing that I most especially liked in FotR was that I could always tell where the company was, before any dialogue gave it away. The scenery was fantastic.

Nurvingiel

11-22-2003, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by Radagast The Brown
Moria was good, I agree. My problem was with the balrog. I hated him. His face and horns made him look like a cow to me.

Really? Even though I didn't picture the Balrog with horns, I thought it was extremely well done. Actually, that whole entire scene was awesome. The battle between Gandalf and the Balrog is so amazing, and the scene afterwards is beautifully done. Even though I know Galdalf isn't dead, I always shed a tear anyway. That entire scene is actually my favourite part of FotR and TTT. I love the flashback in TTT of Gandalf and the Balrog when he's telling what happened to Legolas, Aragorn and Gimli.

What a great thread, I love talking about the movie.

Some scenes that are well done that we don't really notice are exactly as they should be. Every scene in the movie can't be the one to stand out in your mind, you can only have a few. So if we don't notice a scene, it deserves credit because it only enhances the powerful scenes. Doing this is another credit to good directing.

And whatever people say about Galadriels scenes, you have to admit Cate Blanchett is perfectly cast in that role. Even though most of her scenes are not in line with the book, Galadriel's character is excellent. She and Sam are my favourite characters in the book, and Galadriel and Sam remain my favourite characters in the movie. It's a credit to PJ from my point of view that my two favourite characters are the same in the book and the movie.

Silme*Christian

11-28-2003, 07:26 PM

I thought that the Helms Deep scenes were great, exept for Haldir's death in that movie, which should never have been considered!

Nurvingiel

11-28-2003, 07:44 PM

There were a lot of cool aspects of Helm's Deep. The presence of Elves will not be mentioned. Whoops! ;) I especially like the courtyard scenes.

Silme*Christian

11-29-2003, 12:30 AM

Helms Deep was great and I hope he makes the Lats Battle in Gondor even better (if that could be possible). Lots of the ex. ed. TT scenes were cool too!

entss89

12-01-2003, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by Silme*Christian
Helms Deep was great and I hope he makes the Lats Battle in Gondor even better (if that could be possible). Lots of the ex. ed. TT scenes were cool too!

i totally agree. the fight scene was awsome!

Nurvingiel

12-01-2003, 07:46 PM

Actually, all the fight scenes are well choreographed. The scene where Boromir dies is really sad, and I'm always close to (or in) tears.
I'm sure he'll do a great job of the Battle of Pelannor Fields, battles are what Jackson does best IMO.

jerseydevil

12-01-2003, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Actually, all the fight scenes are well choreographed. The scene where Boromir dies is really sad, and I'm always close to (or in) tears.
I'm sure he'll do a great job of the Battle of Pelannor Fields, battles are what Jackson does best IMO.
The battle scenes are one of the few things Jackson does good. That's why LotR is nothing but an action movie.

Nurvingiel

12-01-2003, 08:46 PM

I was so impressed that you joined this thread! I thought, "Good for JD, he can see through his hate and point out something good about the movie!" But you went and took a shot at Jackson anyway! :) That's not what this thread is for.

Someone, it may have been you, criticized Black Breathalizer for never admitting Jackson did anything wrong. Well, I'm challenging you to find something about the movie that you liked, jibe-free! :)

zinnite

12-01-2003, 09:48 PM

One scene that blew me away when I first saw it was the very first shot of Edoras--on that little hill in front of the mountains. It was perfect.

jerseydevil

12-01-2003, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
I was so impressed that you joined this thread! I thought, "Good for JD, he can see through his hate and point out something good about the movie!" But you went and took a shot at Jackson anyway! :) That's not what this thread is for.

Someone, it may have been you, criticized Black Breathalizer for never admitting Jackson did anything wrong. Well, I'm challenging you to find something about the movie that you liked, jibe-free! :)
I have said things that Jackson got right or that I liked. I don't consider my comment about jackson making LotR into an action movie as a jibe at jackson - I consider it a fact.

Nurvingiel

12-01-2003, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by jerseydevil
I have said things that Jackson got right or that I liked. I don't consider my comment about jackson making LotR into an action movie as a jibe at jackson - I consider it a fact. I think it's a valid opinion, but an opinion none the less. Anything that starts with "I think" is an opinion. (That's my opinion :))

I agree zinnite, I loved that scene! I had pictured it differently, but I thought it was cool.

jerseydevil

12-01-2003, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
I think it's a valid opinion, but an opinion none the less. Anything that starts with "I think" is an opinion. (That's my opinion :))
But where did I use "I think" in the the comment in question....

The battle scenes are one of the few things Jackson does good. That's why LotR is nothing but an action movie.

Nurvingiel

12-01-2003, 10:51 PM

To me, at least, it was implied. I know you didn't actually say "I think", but it would have been appropriate to say "I think LotR is nothing but an action movie." You are stating your opinion.

It is hard to differentiate between a well-supported opinion and a fact. In this case, I happen to think your statement still falls under that category of opinion, but this is my own personal opinion. The fact that I happen to agree with you aside. (Though I would say it's a great action movie.)

Anyway, action movie or no, what aspect did you completely enjoy? I'm not intending to personnaly attack you, I'm just curious. :)

jerseydevil

12-01-2003, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Anyway, action movie or no, what aspect did you completely enjoy? I'm not intending to personnaly attack you, I'm just curious. :)
I liked the scenary and I liked the one shot where the camera circles down over isengard - but then he has that damn moth (oh sorry - it's just that for everyone good scene - jackson some how screws it up)

Nurvingiel

12-01-2003, 11:02 PM

Haha! Okay, good enough. I liked that scene too. (Even though the moth made me laugh, and it probably wasn't supposed to.)

Gandalf: A moth! I haven't eaten in three days!
Moth: Wait! I can magically carry a message to --
Gandalf: *eats moth*

Now that the book and movie are separate, I don't really mind this scene.

Oh no! You're polluting me! This was supposed to be the thread where I say positive things about the movies, not make fun of it! I dump on them enough in other threads. Oh well. It's all good, jolly times. :D

The Gaffer

12-02-2003, 05:36 AM

LOL. But hey, don't diss the moth!

If you can have talking thrushes with intimate knowledge of dragon anatomy, you can bloody well have messenger moths.

Nurvingiel

12-02-2003, 01:40 PM

Well I may be part of an ancient, long-lived race of moths who spoke the many languages of Middle-earth, but I don't think it has the endurance to get Gwaihir from his eeryie (sp?).

Hm...

Moth: *whew* I'm bushed. I just flew all the way from Orthanc. *spirals dizzily to rest on Gwaihir talon*
Gwaihir: *raises foot* I'm a bird, albeit a large one.
Moth: *pant* Yes, I have a message from Gandalf -
Gwaihir: You are a moth.
Moth: ...
Gwaihir: *eats moth* Wait, he said something about Gandalf and Orthanc. I'll go see how he fares. Maybe I shouldn't have eaten the little fellow. Moths aren't part of my natural diet.

Sending a moth as a messenger to a bird seemed funny to me, though Gwaihir probably doesn't really eat moths. I don't actually have a problem with that scene. (Radagast might though.) :)

Bacchus

12-02-2003, 10:54 PM

I think that PJ absolutely nailed Boromir. Moreover, I think that in this particular case, PJ's characterization was more effective than Tolkien's-by which I mean that one has to very carefully read Boromir in the books in order to discern the character qualities that are quite evident in the movies.

Nurvingiel

12-03-2003, 12:12 AM

I enjoyed Boromir in the movies too! I agree, he was right on. I think Boromir was equally successful in both the books and the movies. Books are more subtle than movies, because of the nature of the media. It makes sense that you should have to 'read into it' to understand a subtle and complex character like Boromir.

Finrod Felagund

12-04-2003, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by Elfhelm
I wouldn't take any scene in the movie for granite. I have been advised not to interpret Tolkien in a metamorphical way. But I do object to excessive sedimentality in the Arwen scene.

LOL! I get it...you do have a sense of humour. I laugh...hahahaha!

And in regards to Boromir...I think Sean Bean was exactly what was needed...he was brilliant and I loved him in this role!

mithrand1r

12-04-2003, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by Finrod Felagund
As for Aragorn's attraction to the upright maiden Eowyn, (Miranda Otto) it's immediately understandable. She obviously posesses the only soap and shampoo in the entire kingdom of Rohan. It's tickling to see a film where every horse is better groomed than every human—Gandalf excepted (but, then, he's whiter than white). ~Alan Dean Foster

This is a funny quote. :):D

I wondered about that myself. (not so much about the horses, but why everyone from Rohan appeared so grimey.)

I think that PJ&co did a good job with the opening part that had galadriel talking. (I would have prefered to show this during the council of elrond, but the scene itself was done well)