LOTR = Typical Action Films?

[Nurvingiel]

With JRR Tolkien's books as a handbuilt Aston Martin DB4.

Thanks for clearing the Flight to the Ford scene up for me JD, my point was Arwen didn't cause the flood in the books, but that seems irrelevant now.

A finer detail:
Many pointed out already that making a lot of money doesn't necessarily make a great film. One dimension that hasn't been mentioned is nominal (current) prices are being used to come with a movie's earnings. However, you can only compare costs over time by using real prices, which take inflation and other factors into account. Dredging up some of last year's Econ 102. ;)

BB, you may very well make a good lawyer some day, but I believe your point has been soundly refuted. :)


edit: I meant handbuilt Aston Martin DB4

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
With JRR Tolkien's books as a handbuild Aston Martin DB4.

:D

Thanks for clearing the Flight to the Ford scene up for me JD, my point was Arwen didn't cause the flood in the books, but that seems irrelevant now.

I was just going into detail mostly to educate BB.

A finer detail:
Many pointed out already that making a lot of money doesn't necessarily make a great film. One dimension that hasn't been mentioned is nominal (current) prices are being used to come with a movie's earnings. However, you can only compare costs over time by using real prices, which take inflation and other factors into account. Dredging up some of last year's Econ 102. ;)

Yeah - I've brought this up - BB just ignores this though. Going by todays prices - the block busters of today don't even come close to the money that was brought in by Gone with the Wind and the other classics from the early days of film making.

[Black Breathalizer]

Jackson's films are making mega-bucks AND receiving critical acclaim. I don't recall Phantom Menace, Indiana Jones, the Matrix, or jerseydevil's great Excalibur flick getting Academy Award nominations. But I keep forgetting. You guys know more than all the film critics and the general public :rolleyes:

[hectorberlioz]

oh i remeber Indiana Jones getting academy award noms!
Raiders of the lost Ark was one of the best pic nominees!

[Black Breathalizer]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
oh i remeber Indiana Jones getting academy award noms!
Raiders of the lost Ark was one of the best pic nominees! Hey, it must have been pretty good then, huh? :)

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
Jackson's films are making mega-bucks AND receiving critical acclaim. I don't recall Phantom Menace, Indiana Jones, the Matrix, or jerseydevil's great Excalibur flick getting Academy Award nominations. But I keep forgetting. You guys know more than all the film critics and the general public :rolleyes:
Have you ever SEEN Excalibur? :rolleyes:

And as for Indiana Jones - it was an action flick.

[Nurvingiel]

I love Excalibur, it's such an amazing movie! BB, if you haven't seen it, I definately recommend it. It's beautifully filmed, features some very talented actors, it's suspensful, interesting, and the sad parts make me cry. It has a great soundtrack (featuring part of Carmina Burana by Carl Orff) and has amazingly choreographed battle scenes. It is very much worth watching numberous times, so at least watch it once! :)

Anyway, back to LotR... the trouble with the Academy Awards, they're given to people who are 'due' to win, not necessarily to those who've earned it. (The two can coincide, but this is not required.) Sadly winners of Academy Awards and other such honours (Emmy's, People's Choice, Grammy's etc.) are given to people when it's 'their time to win'.

[hectorberlioz]

Jackson has proved himself unworthy of adapting a masterpiece for the screen.
so what will happen with "THE HOBBIT"?.
if Jackson cant adapt this wonderful easy-read to the screen properly without ONE blemish, I myself will MURDER him with my bare hands.
seriously now, the hobbit cant be a 3 year project at all. he wont have to make changes to the story, since the book isnt long at all...., but i do expect major changes in it...
but its a scary thought that he'll make it at all.

[Nurvingiel]

So basically, if Jackson makes a movie of The Hobbit, he's doomed. :D I don't think he will though. Why would he?

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
So basically, if Jackson makes a movie of The Hobbit, he's doomed. :D I don't think he will though. Why would he?
Because him and the studio are under the impression that the LotR fans love the movies. They're looking at they can make another huge box office success.

[Nurvingiel]

The movies are popular with the masses. Your reason makes sense JD.

But, to make any kind of action film (which The Hobbit would be) you need
1) Plenty of opportunity for action scenes
2) Characters that can be played by big-name, sexy Hollywood actors.

The Hobbit has a lot of action, but the only "sexy" characters are Bard the Lakeman, and maybe Thranduil. Even Jackson wouldn't devote half the movie to them. You may have noticed Jackson doesn't seem to like hobbits in his movies - that's why.

[hectorberlioz]

well, i read that review from the one ring.net, which said that jackson and co. were planning the hobbit.

[thranduil]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel

The Hobbit has a lot of action, but the only "sexy" characters are Bard the Lakeman, and maybe Thranduil. Even Jackson wouldn't devote half the movie to them. You may have noticed Jackson doesn't seem to like hobbits in his movies - that's why.

of course thranduil would be a sexy star in the hobbit :D

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
The Hobbit has a lot of action, but the only "sexy" characters are Bard the Lakeman, and maybe Thranduil.
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Ah, but you're forgetting that PJ could make up a love interest for Bard and have a prequel with Aragorn and Arwen (yeah, Aragorn's really only 10, so you don't think they'd make him 20 or so?). And of course you could bring in Orlando, he'd have a thing for this Laketown girl but she gets attracted to Thorin......., she's got a thing for tossing dwarves, you see. Thranduil finds out about it and tries to think of some way to get his son out of Rhovanion for a while but has to wait almost 80 years for a good excuse.:D

Actually, The Hobbit might be more suited to PJ then LOTR, lots of action and cgi stuff to do and a pretty clear linear storyline, but you'd need someone to keep him "on task", as is said in educanese jargon. I would have some (modest) hope that Philippa Boyens and Fran Walsh might fill such a role.

[Nurvingiel]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
well, i read that review from the one ring.net, which said that jackson and co. were planning the hobbit. Okay then. Maybe I didn't give Jackson enough credit (or too much.)

*reads thranduil's post* But of course! Silly me.

*reads Tuor's post* Aaa! *Falls out of chair unconscious*

[hectorberlioz]

i'd hate to see legolas in there. that would be very,very,very,very evil of jackson.
i hope the world ends before it gets released.

[thranduil]

Why on earth would you be upset that legolas was in it? Hes an elf and could very well be in a shot during the feast when the dwarves are in mirkwood.(he is the prince) Okay actually your right. I'm sick of legolas stealing all the women!!:D

[hectorberlioz]

maybe i wouldnt mind a shot of him in it.
but i'm talking about jackson making him a central character.
thats what i was referring to.

[Nurvingiel]

Legolas only gets a Figwit type apperance though, no lines or plot arc of any kind! And no lingering camera shots either.

[Tuor of Gondolin]

originally posted by Nurvingiel
Legolas only gets a Figwit type apperance though, no lines or plot arc of any kind! And no lingering camera shots either.
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Does he get to make leaps onto horses or dragons, or to skateboard down Erebor?

I hear he takes out an oliphaunt in ROTK, maybe he could help shoot down Smaug? Good eyesight. Oh, I know, he can point out to Bard Smaug's bare spot, replacing the thrush.
(Actually, PJ might like that one).