What are we going to do? [Archive]

Sister Golden Hair

10-27-2003, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by Attalus
What are we going to do when we get through with the Silmarillion Project? Make a sticky? Archive it and post a permanent link? What are your ideas? Hmmm, haven't given it much thought. It should be preserved though, shouldn't it, especially after everyones hard work? Yeah, maybe we can do something in the way of storing it. We can gather up all the chapters and bunch them together in the archives or something. Let's see what others think we may be able to do.

Maedhros

10-27-2003, 09:54 PM

I think that would be a good idea SGH. A place where one could read all of the chapters intros would be awesome.

Artanis

10-28-2003, 03:54 AM

Not just the intros please, I'd like to have easy access to the entire threads (which may have been what you meant anyway).

If you're gonna bury them in the archives I'd like to display a link to it also, to let newbs and guests know it is there.

Sister Golden Hair

10-28-2003, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by Artanis
Not just the intros please, I'd like to have easy access to the entire threads (which may have been what you meant anyway).

If you're gonna bury them in the archives I'd like to display a link to it also, to let newbs and guests know it is there. That's a very good idea Artanis. We can put up a thread with the link, and I'll lock the thread and stick it to the top of the main page.

Attalus

10-28-2003, 11:03 AM

I agree with Artanis that some of the commentary is as valuable as the intros, themselves. I dunno how to do it, though, because it would be one long thread. Maybe each Intro author could pick the most valuable comments, properly attributed, of course.

Artanis

10-28-2003, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by Attalus
I agree with Artanis that some of the commentary is as valuable as the intros, themselves. I dunno how to do it, though, because it would be one long thread. Maybe each Intro author could pick the most valuable comments, properly attributed, of course. No, one long thread is not practical. If I understand SGH right, she's suggesting to put up a new sticky thread, in which we could put up links to each of the project threads in the first post.

Lefty Scaevola

10-28-2003, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by Attalus
What are we going to do when we get through with the Silmarillion Project? Have an orgy to celebrate? or perhaps a costume party? My place?

Artanis

10-28-2003, 12:06 PM

Heh - I'll go for the costume party. :p

azalea

10-28-2003, 04:01 PM

For some reason I thought they were going to stay in the forum, so that there would be a thread for each chapter where people could discuss, ask questions, etc., either when they read it for the first time or re-read it. But at the very least I say archive them, and I vote for the entire threads.

Sister Golden Hair

10-28-2003, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by azalea
For some reason I thought they were going to stay in the forum, so that there would be a thread for each chapter where people could discuss, ask questions, etc., either when they read it for the first time or re-read it. But at the very least I say archive them, and I vote for the entire threads. Well, I don't know about leaving them in the forum, won't they eventually fall into the abyss after awhile?

I thought we could just move each one to the archives, and then have a stuck, locked thread in the Sil forum, with the link to each chapter. Anything else would be difficult to do, and I think (not sure) that if they stay in the forum, they will eventually be lost.

Maedhros

10-28-2003, 05:20 PM

Posted by SGH
I thought we could just move each one to the archives, and then have a stuck, locked thread in the Sil forum, with the link to each chapter. Anything else would be difficult to do, and I think (not sure) that if they stay in the forum, they will eventually be lost.
This is probably the best idea.

Attalus

10-28-2003, 06:51 PM

I'm all for that: a sticky thread with links to each individual, archived thread! Cool.

Sister Golden Hair

10-28-2003, 10:31 PM

Well, bad news guys. Ben said NO! He said that there is no reason to move them to the archives. I told him that we hateses him forever.:(

Artanis

10-29-2003, 02:58 AM

But - what's the difference? You could still put up links to them in a sticky thread, or did Ben say no to that too?

Sheeana

10-29-2003, 03:14 AM

Given what a unique project it was, I must say that I'm surprised that he doesn't want it archived. And yet those crappy pranking threads are?! :confused: :rolleyes:

Earniel

10-29-2003, 07:13 AM

Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
Well, bad news guys. Ben said NO! He said that there is no reason to move them to the archives. I told him that we hateses him forever.:(

Well that's a little disappointing. Surely they are as worthy of memory as the pink-and-purple-day-threads. Or are there not enough people involved in the Sil-project or something like that to be put in the archive?

But I don't think he would say no to the sticky thread, can he?

azalea

10-29-2003, 04:04 PM

:eek: That's really surprising. Well, maybe a stuck link thread would allow people to access them even after they fall into the abyss (I've actually come across many threads that are in the abyss when I've done searches), so perhaps by keeping the link up there, people will be able to get to them, even if the threads can't be seen when paging through the forum (right?).

Artanis

10-29-2003, 06:09 PM

Azalea, are you telling me that you can't read all threads from the beginning and up till today in this forum? It seems to me that I can. :confused:

Sister Golden Hair

10-29-2003, 08:33 PM

Well, he did say we could have the sticky, and we can make it like an index with each chapter title and then the link to the chapter. He said that threads that aren't archived do not fall into the abyss. He said there is no abyss. I have to agree with Sheaana here, I think the project was unique and worthy of being in the archives, more than all the stupid joke threads. Oh well, what's a mooter to do?:(

Maedhros

10-29-2003, 11:37 PM

Posted by SGH
Well, bad news guys. Ben said NO! He said that there is no reason to move them to the archives.
Well, that is what happens when the people who call the shots are not true Silmarillion lovers.:(
In praise of Folly.

Sheeana

10-29-2003, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
He said that threads that aren't archived do not fall into the abyss.

My MAIN concern is not that it will "fall into the abyss", but rather that because it's not in the Archives, it could well be deleted during a future tidy-up. Did Ben give a reason for not wanting to archive this unique project? Would it take up too much space or something? :confused:

Sister Golden Hair

10-29-2003, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by Sheeana
My mine concern is not that it will "fall into the abyss", but rather that because it's not in the Archives, it could well be deleted during a future tidy-up. Did Ben give a reason for not wanting to archive this unique project? Would it take up too much space or something? :confused: I can't really say that he gave a reason, other than it wasn't neccessary to archive it. He isn't a big talker you know. I asked about it, and he just didn't see a need to do it. I said "okay." I don't see what the problem is, It isn't like it is going to take up more bandwidth or anything. The project is long, but the threads and posts already exist, nomatter if it be here or in the archives. But, his is the final word.

Maedhros

10-30-2003, 01:09 AM

The good thing is that the quality of the archives thread will be maintained. The quality of those threads is not in the same league as those of the Project.;)

Artanis

10-30-2003, 04:18 AM

Originally posted by Maedhros
The good thing is that the quality of the archives thread will be maintained. The quality of those threads is not in the same league as those of the Project.;) Exactly. Well spoken. :p

azalea

10-30-2003, 02:56 PM

Artanis: To answer your ques., I have been given threads when I've done searches that weren't listed on any of the pages in the forum (this has happened at least three times, but not very recently, so I can't remember what they were). If there is no abyss, then the only other thing I can think of is that they were deleted threads that somehow came up because they still exist somewhere, even thought they were taken out of the forum (they could POSSIBLY have been archival, but I don't think so -- next time it happens I'll check and let everyone know, for fun. I believe in the abyss;) ;) ).
[Also, threads do disappear (like the first lines game in the General Lit. forum), but I think that's due to "cleaning out" threads.]

EDIT: I FOUND THE ABYSS!!
Out of curiousity, I did a search of the General Lit. forum for "first lines game." That didn't come up, so it must have been deleted, but a thread came up called "new game," and guess what? It isn't listed on either of the pages in General Lit.! And it isn't on any of the archive pages either! It is an old thread (2000), but it proves one thing: THE ABYSS EXISTS!!:D

Sister Golden Hair

10-30-2003, 05:38 PM

I have always thought the abyss existed.

Lefty Scaevola

10-31-2003, 01:01 AM

I recalll searching at another forum, which uses VBB, The search turn up, among other things, a post of mine from which the search term had earlier been edited out. Somewhere in the database for the post were former words which had been edited out, perhaps a reord of prior versions of the post.

Artanis

10-31-2003, 03:10 AM

Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola
I recalll searching at another forum, which uses VBB, The search turn up, among other things, a post of mine from which the search term had earlier been edited out. Somewhere in the database for the post were former words which had been edited out, perhaps a reord of prior versions of the post. That's actually pretty scary. :eek: :p

SGH, why not put up the sticky thread with the links right away? Is it possible to edit posts in a closed thread?

Sister Golden Hair

10-31-2003, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by Artanis
That's actually pretty scary. :eek: :p

SGH, why not put up the sticky thread with the links right away? Is it possible to edit posts in a closed thread? Well, that would mean having several stickys up while the project is still going on. A sticky index, the current chapter being discussed, the re-assignment sticky, and the assignment sticky. that's a lot.

To answer your question about editing in a closed thread: No, you can't. Only mods/admins can do that.

I have an idea. Until the project is finished, we can bump all the chapters back to the main page. I wonder if we'll get in trouble for that though, because that will bump current discussion down. What to do?:(

Earniel

11-01-2003, 10:26 AM

If we were to do nothing untill all chapters were discussed and just let the discussed chapters slip from the main page to the next pages of the forum, would there be any danger that we'll lose some of the chapter-discussions? If not, I wouldn't bump all the chapter-discussion-threads.

I agree that putting up a seperate sticky with the chapters-links now would clog the Sil-forum with too much stickies. But I was thinking, the assignment thread has all the chapters in the first post, right? Why can't we edit that first post and put instead of chapter one a chapter one (http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6567)? We could gather all the links of the chapters already discussed there.

I'm sorry if this post sounds a little incoherent (went away til late yesterday. ;))

Attalus

11-01-2003, 11:41 AM

I like that, Earnil, if SGH would consent to do it, that is.

Sister Golden Hair

11-01-2003, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by Eärniel
If we were to do nothing untill all chapters were discussed and just let the discussed chapters slip from the main page to the next pages of the forum, would there be any danger that we'll lose some of the chapter-discussions? If not, I wouldn't bump all the chapter-discussion-threads.

I agree that putting up a seperate sticky with the chapters-links now would clog the Sil-forum with too much stickies. But I was thinking, the assignment thread has all the chapters in the first post, right? Why can't we edit that first post and put instead of chapter one a chapter one (http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6567)? We could gather all the links of the chapters already discussed there.

I'm sorry if this post sounds a little incoherent (went away til late yesterday. ;)) That sounds good to me. Get to work Earniel.:D

Fat middle

11-02-2003, 06:29 AM

Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
Well, he did say we could have the sticky, and we can make it like an index with each chapter title and then the link to the chapter. He said that threads that aren't archived do not fall into the abyss. He said there is no abyss. I have to agree with Sheaana here, I think the project was unique and worthy of being in the archives, more than all the stupid joke threads. Oh well, what's a mooter to do?:(

What's the problem with the stupid joke threads? I love them :p But I agree this project should be at hand in the future. The stick could be a good solution, but I wan't to think a bit if something better can be done.

BTW, sorry everybody, I've been absent from the moot again in the last weeks. Have been very busy and too tired even from mooting, though I've missed it a lot.

Earniel

11-02-2003, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
That sounds good to me. Get to work Earniel.:D

I was wondering whether you were joking or not. Anyway, I had a little time so I've added all the links to the existing chapters in the Silmarillion Discussion Chapters Assignements-thread.

I hope Maedhros will forgive me for messing in his post. Now tell me I'm a good lil' 'mooter and give me a chocolate cookie. :D

Artanis

11-02-2003, 05:06 PM

Eärniel, you're my heroine. :)

Sister Golden Hair

11-02-2003, 05:11 PM

Ypu are a good little mooter, and here's your chocolate cookie.:)

Attalus

11-02-2003, 06:20 PM

*Adds an Oreo on his own* Yay, now if it stays a sticky, it won't disappear!

Earniel

11-02-2003, 06:26 PM

Yeay! :D

*disappears with cookies*

*crunching sounds*

:p

Maedhros

11-02-2003, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by Eärniel
I hope Maedhros will forgive me for messing in his post. Now tell me I'm a good lil' 'mooter and give me a chocolate cookie.
Good work, but it seems that you forgot the Ainulindalë and Valaquenta, but I have put their respective links.:)