Things you were happy NOT to see on the ROTK Trailer

[Black Breathalizer]

While I love the new LOTR trailer, I'm also happy that New Line didn't present us with a trailer that spoiled some of the wonderful scenes we'll be treated to in ROTK like they unfortunately did with Gandalf's dramatic reappearance in TTT.

In particular, I'm glad they gave us virtually nothing to visualize from Sam and Frodo's journey inside of Mordor or the piggyback ride up Mount Doom. I'm also delighted that while we saw Dernhelm, we didn't see Dernhelm's confrontation with the Witchking.

What were you relieved NOT to see on the trailer?

[Sween]

I was happy not to see the full reveling of the witch king, The black gate opening, The Eagals, the fall of Bar dur and the grey havens :D

[Black Breathalizer]

Giving us a glimpse of the royal wedding would have been incredibly dumb (but so was showing us Gandalf in the TTT trailer) but it still wouldn't have surprised me to see it.

I was a little surprised that we didn't see a single shot of Pippin and the palantir though.

[Elf Girl]

Maybe he's cutting Pippin and the palantir.

[Black Breathalizer]

Originally posted by Elf Girl
Maybe he's cutting Pippin and the palantir. Nope, I don't think so. Otherwise, they wouldn't have shown the clip on the DVD Preview where Merry tells Pippen that the Dark Lord thinks he's got the ring.

[Elf Girl]

Sarcasm, BB. Sarcasm.

[Black Breathalizer]

Originally posted by Elf Girl
Sarcasm, BB. Sarcasm. 'fraid I'm not familiar with that term, Elf Girl. I'm too much of a boy scout, I guess.

[Dúnedain]

I'm glad they didn't show anything more than just the entrance to the Paths of the Dead. I'm practically obsessed with the Paths of the Dead as it's my favorite part and I can't wait to see it, even thought they are cutting the Dúnedain out of it and Elrond's sons :(

[Black Breathalizer]

I was a little surprised we didn't see one of the Corsairs' ships.

[IronParrot]

Um... the destruction of the Ring.

[Elenna Alaniel]

Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
I was a little surprised we didn't see one of the Corsairs' ships.
maybe it's becouse they woun't be in the movie at all

[The Gaffer]

Nah, the whole Palantir thing is just far too cool a plot device to discard. Why give everything away in the trailer? Aragorn will take control of the Palantir and see the fleet coming. He's got to have some reason to take off into a hole in the ground instead of heading to Minas Tirith with Gandalf! What I do wonder is whether they'll keep the Army of the Dead or not.

[IronParrot]

maybe it's becouse [the Corsairs] woun't be in the movie at all
What I do wonder is whether they'll keep the Army of the Dead or not.

They are. Behind-the-scenes reports from production three years ago indicated that they built some pretty grand models and designs for the Corsairs, as well as the Dead.

Without those two elements, there wouldn't any point to Aragorn taking the Paths and flanking the Pelennor in the first place!

[Elf Girl]

Originally posted by The Gaffer
Nah, the whole Palantir thing is just far too cool a plot device to discard.
As I mentioned before: Sarcasm. Sarcasm.

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by IronParrot
They are. Behind-the-scenes reports from production three years ago indicated that they built some pretty grand models and designs for the Corsairs, as well as the Dead.

Without those two elements, there wouldn't any point to Aragorn taking the Paths and flanking the Pelennor in the first place!


Oh man the Army of the Dead will be so kickass!! I so can't wait :D

*sorry I get giddy like a little schoolgirl when I talk about Paths of the Dead* :D

[Elvengirl]

Originally posted by Dúnedain

*sorry I get giddy like a little schoolgirl when I talk about Paths of the Dead* :D

don't we all? :D

[The Gaffer]

Originally posted by IronParrot
They are. Behind-the-scenes reports from production three years ago indicated that they built some pretty grand models and designs for the Corsairs, as well as the Dead.

Woo hoo!

And will Gimli need a change of underwear when they get to Pelargir? That's something I'm glad they left out of the trailer.

[Black Breathalizer]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
Oh man the Army of the Dead will be so kickass!! I so can't waitConsidering Peter Jackson's 'zombie film' roots, you just know it was one of his favorite parts to visualize. It should be something special to see.

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
Considering Peter Jackson's 'zombie film' roots, you just know it was one of his favorite parts to visualize. It should be something special to see.

That and the way the dead people looked in the Dead Marshes! Imagine them as soldiers!! :D

[Rosie Gamgee]

Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
In particular, I'm glad they gave us virtually nothing to visualize from Sam and Frodo's journey inside of Mordor or the piggyback ride up Mount Doom. I'm also delighted that while we saw Dernhelm, we didn't see Dernhelm's confrontation with the Witchking.

You saw Dernhelm?!?!?! I haven't watched that preview- only the one on the DVD, and from that I got the impression that there was not going to be any Dernhelm. I am sooooooo glad that Dernhelm's gonna be in there though!!

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Rosie Gamgee
You saw Dernhelm?!?!?! I haven't watched that preview- only the one on the DVD, and from that I got the impression that there was not going to be any Dernhelm. I am sooooooo glad that Dernhelm's gonna be in there though!!

Watch the Return of the King Trailer...

http://www.apple.com/trailers/newline/returnoftheking/

[Black Breathalizer]

The Return of the King without Dernhelm would be like the Vatican without the Pope. :)

[Rosie Gamgee]

I haven't got quicktime :( :( :( *sob, sob*

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Rosie Gamgee
I haven't got quicktime :( :( :( *sob, sob*

Then download it, it's only a plugin for the trailers, you can get it straight from that link I posted for the trailer...

[Snowdog]

Give them a number of years. Only time will tell if any movie will be a classic.

[Elf Girl]

Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
The Return of the King without Dernhelm would be like the Vatican without the Pope. :)
But something tells me that if PJ had announced he was cutting Dernhelm you would have been behind it all the way. :rolleyes:

[Black Breathalizer]

Originally posted by Elf Girl
But something tells me that if PJ had announced he was cutting Dernhelm you would have been behind it all the way. :rolleyes: Nope. The Dernhelm scenes are essential to any telling of Tolkien's tale.

I've also heard rumors that PJ may show Sauron in the final battle. I go back and forth on that one. But my gut is telling me that showing the ultimate villain - while essential to most movie climaxes - wouldn't work with the big screen telling of this story. While I readily acknowledge that PJ probably prove me wrong by making it work, my hope is that ROTK will keep Sauron as a behind-the-scenes dark presence.

[Elfhelm]

I keep looking for my namesake. Elfhelm should be in some scene with Dernhelm. He's the one who knows. Elfhelm should have been with Eomer during the banishment, too. It was Elfhelm who fought through to try to rescue Eodred at the Fords of Isen. He hasn't been in any of the films, yet.

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
Nope. The Dernhelm scenes are essential to any telling of Tolkien's tale.

I've also heard rumors that PJ may show Sauron in the final battle. I go back and forth on that one. But my gut is telling me that showing the ultimate villain - while essential to most movie climaxes - wouldn't work with the big screen telling of this story. While I readily acknowledge that PJ probably prove me wrong by making it work, my hope is that ROTK will keep Sauron as a behind-the-scenes dark presence.

Well I honestly don't know how they would do that, however I do know that "The Mouth of Sauron" is listed in the cast on imdb.com so maybe that's where this rumor came from :D

[Black Breathalizer]

In another great casting move, the Mouth of Sauron is being played by that weasly looking actor with glasses who was in The Road Warrior with Mel Gibson.

[Elf Girl]

Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
Nope. The Dernhelm scenes are essential to any telling of Tolkien's tale.

I've also heard rumors that PJ may show Sauron in the final battle. I go back and forth on that one. But my gut is telling me that showing the ultimate villain - while essential to most movie climaxes - wouldn't work with the big screen telling of this story. While I readily acknowledge that PJ probably prove me wrong by making it work, my hope is that ROTK will keep Sauron as a behind-the-scenes dark presence.
You're contradicting yourself. Have you changed your opinion since http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8409 ?

[Black Breathalizer]

Originally posted by Elf Girl
You're contradicting yourself. Have you changed your opinion since (old thread on the subject)? Yep, I'm guilty of changing my mind as charged. I mentioned I've gone back and forth on this issue. On one hand, I can envision how PJ could do an incredibly exciting and dramatic ending involving Aragorn facing Sauron. But ultimately, I agree with the naysayers who felt it would change the entire feel of the trilogy. Unless PJ shows the Dark Lord in ROTK and proves me and others here wrong, I think Sauron works best as the great unseen dark force.

[Elfhelm]

Well, he will have to show himself when they make the pre-pre-prequel, that is when Vig and Liv make B&L, the Movie. Of course, there will have to be a lot of foreshortening with the hound - unless they can find an animator to draw Droopy Dog...

ok, I'm sorry, I'll get serious.

[Echthelion]

Yeah, Dernhelm was seen, as was Shelob and the Paths of the Dead, and what appeared to be Eomer cradling someone and crying...most likely the corpse of Theoden following his duel to the death with the Witch King.

I'll post something else later on...though I am sure that someone already posted something about the inaccuracies of "The Two Towers," especially...*Growl*...the feeble attempt at recreating the Last Alliance by sending elven troops to the Hornburg.

That was meant to be a triumph of Men, not of Men and Elves. Elves were too busy fighting off orcs on their own front - was it not Celeborn who drove out the orcs from Lothlorien during that same time? They were too busy themselves! Not to mention Celeborn and Galadriel heading north to Mirkwood, clearing it out and, with a mere gesture, Galadriel (awesome as she is) bares the pits of Dol Guldur.

8,000 year-old elves who have seen the Light of Valinor do NOT giggle like schoolgirls (for more information, read "Gimli's Request of Galadriel in the Extended FOTR DVD").

Ecthelion
Elf-Lord of Gondolin

[Tuor of Gondolin]

I don't think the turnaround at the Pelennor Fields when Aragorn displays the standard was shown:
"...behold! upon the foremost ship a great standard broke, and the wind displayed it as she turned towards the Harlond. There flowered a White Tree, and that was for Gondor; but seven stars above it, the signs of Elendil that no lord had born for years beyond count."
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originally by Ecthelion
"the inaccuracies of "The Two Towers," especially...*Growl*...the feeble attempt at recreating the Last Alliance by sending elven troops to the Hornburg."
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Even worse was the way the victory at the Hornburg was portrayed. Instead of the triple squeeze of Theoden's charge (which pushed all the orcs/Dunlendings below the dike and was more then the feeble charge in the movie), Gandalf's and Erkanbrand's charge, and the Huorns mopping things up, you had Eomer leading a cavalry charge [down a far too steep slope for
cavalry].

Hmmm, makes you wonder what PJ would have made of a First
Age battle like the Nirnaeth Arnoediad or the Fall of Gondolin.

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Echthelion
and what appeared to be Eomer cradling someone and crying...most likely the corpse of Theoden following his duel to the death with the Witch King.

Or he could be cradling the body of Eowyn, thinking she is dead...



Also, this isn't the thread to discuss The Two Towers...