Preview for Return of the King....

[Dúnedain]

Ok this really needs its own thread as well. As most of you know there is a 10-minute preview of Return of the King on the TTT DVD that just came out a couple days ago.

Let's get some dicussions going on about it :D

I watched it again today and I am kind of worried about the whole Eowyn thing. In the preview it appears that she rides with the Rhorrim, along with Merry, as Eowyn and not as Dernhelm. There is a shot of her and Merry on the same horse and it is clearly her and not dressed in armor like Dernhelm. Hopefully that is before they leave for Gondor and not on the trip there. If you look further there is also a shot of Pippin holding Merry as Merry is in obvious pain, that is most likely after the slaying of the Nazgul dude.

Gollum should be awesome again, because we are going to get to see his treacherousness once again, and of course SHELOB!!!! If you watch the end of the preview just as it cuts back to PJ there is a shot on the TV they are watching of Frodo trying to cut Shelob's webs at the cave exit :D

I also posted this in the other DVD thread:

Ok so I got the TTT DVD yesterday and I've watched the 10-minute preview for Return of the King. I want to comment on one thing, my favorite part of RotK, which is the Paths of the Dead. I will spare those of you who haven't seen it yet with the spoiler code :D

Ok, so I am all very excited about Return of the King, because it is going to be the best movie out of all of them, just as the book was the best out of all of them :D I've been sweating wondering if Paths of the Dead was going to be in the movie and now I know it will be because I saw the 10-minute preview on the DVD. I am however going to be disappointed if it turns out the way it looked in the preview. Only disappointed in the sense of who goes to the Paths of the Dead, not it's looks. It appears to only have Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli going to the Paths of the Dead and there are none of the Dúnedain taking the trip as it happens in the book. I really hope it doesn't happen that way, because that would mean the Dúnedain will most likely be cut from other things and this would suck because they are such an integral role to the story of Aragorn :( Either way I will be happy and excited to see Paths of the Dead, but disappointed in that respect!

[ladyisme]

I noticed that about the paths of the dead too. It's true that I am also looking foward to Shelob but, I am most looking foward to the Battle of the Pelinor Feilds since I've been told that it is especially spectacular. ;)

[Sween]

As for the Paths Of The Dead it would not make sence from the way Aragorn has been protyed in these films for a load of trusty kinsmen to turn up and he be there acknoledge leader would it now? Its a shame i know but it just wouldnt make sence for them to be there

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Sween
As for the Paths Of The Dead it would not make sence from the way Aragorn has been protyed in these films for a load of trusty kinsmen to turn up and he be there acknoledge leader would it now? Its a shame i know but it just wouldnt make sence for them to be there


I think it would, because they have talked about "Rangers" a lot in the movies and now we would get a chance to see them :D

[durin's bane]

I really want to see Shelob's tunnel. It looks so amazing! Too bad we couldn't fully see Shelob, though. :( I'm also looking forward to Pelennor Fields and the Paths of the Dead. I hope Eowyn slays the Witch King, because I saw her riding as herself and I couldn't tell whether it was to or from the fight. It'll suck if they have Arwen come and kill the Witch King and go all kissy-kissy on Aragorn. :rolleyes: Anyway, Return of the King looks really cool. I can't wait until December rolls around. :)

[genewyn]

i heard (sources not listed*hehe*) that Arwen is going to show up in the battle of Pellenor Fields fully armored and ready to "save the day" if i will. HOW STUPID IS THAT??? she was practically an unimportant charictar in the book compared to the characters they cut to make room for her. it makes the movie more movieish if they just have her instead of having to explain glorfindel and the history of the "shield maidens of rohan" and the profecy of "not by the hand of man shall the witch king fall" or su'in like that (im not positive about the profecy so excuse my errors). n e way, ur not alone in ur feelings!!

[Snowdog]

I hope the Battle of the Pelennor shows the Easterlings and Southrons fighting as their own units, and mot intermingled with Orcs... I had wished there would have beem more differences shown between the Easterlings and Southrons, but that is ok... The size of the Oli's sure are demonstrated in that cut on the TT DVD!

On the Paths, it pretty much has to be the three of the Fellowship, since there is no 'Dúnedain of the North' or any mention of Arnor in the movie. The 'Rangers', when not mentioned as Aragorn, refer to Faramir's command in Ithilien, also a bunch of cool dudes!

[Rosie Gamgee]

About Arwen: She's supposed to be going on a ship to Valinor (in the movies). In the books, she makes a banner for Aragorn's ships. Perhaps she will come to the Fields with the Elven ship instead of Aragorn.
I'm worried about Dernhelm, too. I will be so bummed out if he/she is not in ROTK. He/she was one of my favorite characters, and if the get rid of him/her, then there won't be the fantastic line: "No living man am I!"

[Dreran the Green]

They won't get rid of Dernhelm, PJ wouldn't go that far...I hope...

I have heard as well that Pellenor fields is supposed to be amazing, but what I'm really looking forward to are the scenes in Shelob's lair and when Pippin looks into the palantir. I can't wait to see what Shelob is going to look like.

[Agalayth]

Because of all the friends I've been managing to drag into my house because of school's start, I've seen the preview like five-six times now, and I still can't get enough of it. It looks simply amazing. I just really hope that when Aragorn says, "He has gone unchallenged long enough," it doesn't mean that he's going to duel with Sauron. I remember hearing that it would happen, I think from theonering.net, and that would be such a pity. Also, I really hope Arwen doesn't have a large part. She's just too unimportant in the books. Pellinore Fields looks simply incredible. I cannot wait.

[Gerbil]

That challenge probably refers to Aragorn looking into the Palantir, and there's a similar scene in the book (although I think it's only mentioned in hindsight by Gandalf).

[Melko Belcha]

Watching the preview I noticed that all the scenes with the battle had sunshine, is there going to be no Dawnless Day? Nothing in the preview gave me any hint of the great black cloud that covered the land. Maybe I missed it or maybe it just wasn't in any of the scenes that they showed.

[Lollypopgurl]

Oh, good point! I hope they don't leave the Dawnless Day out! :(

I was really hoping for something from the Grey Havens, but oh well.

[IronParrot]

Here's something that really caught my attention in the ROTK preview.

They're making it much more overt that when Pippin looks into the palantir, Sauron thinks he may the Ringbearer, who plans to deliver the power of the Ring to Aragorn. This makes sense - it's implicit in the book, and I love how they're making this explicit here as the trigger that gets Sauron to attack Minas Tirith prematurely. Seeing how Pippin develops from film to film to film is something I'm really looking forward to when I finally see all three back-to-back.

However - here's a bit of an issue. In the end of TTT, when Frodo encounters the Nazgul, I thought of it as the moment where Sauron now knows where the Ring is - and thinks it's heading across the river to Minas Tirith from the eastern direction.

Possible contradiction? How can he think that Frodo and Pippin are Ringbearers at the same time?

[Black Breathalizer]

Originally posted by IronParrot
here's a bit of an issue. In the end of TTT, when Frodo encounters the Nazgul, I thought of it as the moment where Sauron now knows where the Ring is - and thinks it's heading across the river to Minas Tirith from the eastern direction.

Possible contradiction? How can he think that Frodo and Pippin are Ringbearers at the same time? I do not believe that the Nazgul saw the ring. Tolkien described them as having poor eyesight. The ringwraith would have noticed the ring if Frodo had succeeded in putting it on but Sam stopped him in time.

The reason I feel strongly that Mordor didn't know about the ring in Osgiliath is because that scene was created by Jackson to capture the essence of Tolkien's scene in the book when the Witchking and his troops left Minas Morgul and sensed a presence in the valley at the bridge. The Witchking eventually moved on without realizing Frodo was there - and I believe that Jackson was basically saying the same thing about Frodo and the Witchking's "meeting" in Osgiliath.

[Wayfarer]

You are a dunce, Black Breathalizer.

There is a world of difference between a scene where the nazgul vaguely senses the ring from maybe a quarter mile off, and a scene where that same nazgul doesn't notice it when it's right under his nose.

It's pathetic.

[IronParrot]

Nuh-uh.

The encounter between Frodo and the Nazgul seems to be established in the film as a pretty clear provocation for Sauron's assault on Gondor.

That said, it could be that when Pippin takes the palantir, Sauron doesn't really have a durn idea where he is - but that is highly doubtful. You'd think he'd be able to tell which palantir is Isengard's and which is Minas Tirith's.

In any case, this issue is one that will have to be addressed. We'll know in three months.

[Kalimac]

Hmmm, wasn't the fell beast in Osgiliath wounded by Faramir? So . . assuming that the Nazgul saw Frodo with the Ring, just how long would it take the Nazgul to report back to Sauron, if it's fell beast is wounded or dead? :rolleyes:

[azalea]

It's possible we'll get some clarification about that in the EE, but I guess Sauron can't tell one hobbit from another, so thinks they're one and the same. The only problem with that is, as I said in another thread and someone said above, how could he have gotten from Osgiliath all the way to Isengard that quickly? Perhaps Pippin will look into the palantir in Gondor. Like IP said, we'll just have to wait a few months to find out for sure!

[LuthienTinuviel]

i hope he doesn't screw it up!

[Rosie Gamgee]

Originally posted by IronParrot
Nuh-uh.

The encounter between Frodo and the Nazgul seems to be established in the film as a pretty clear provocation for Sauron's assault on Gondor.

That said, it could be that when Pippin takes the palantir, Sauron doesn't really have a durn idea where he is - but that is highly doubtful. You'd think he'd be able to tell which palantir is Isengard's and which is Minas Tirith's.

In any case, this issue is one that will have to be addressed. We'll know in three months.

Sauron knows that a hobbit has the Ring, because Gollum told Him, right? In the books it says that Sauron didn't think that anybody would try to destroy the Ring, cuz He never thought He'd miss it if it came to Mordor. So His Nazgul report that they sensed the Ring in Osgiliath, which is pretty close to Minas Tirith. Then, about the same time, or a little after, He gets a call on the palatir from- he thinks- Saruman. Now I don't think one can see faces when one looks in a palantir, cuz in the books Sauron thought at first he was talking to Saruman, and then asked "What are you?" because he could sense after a moment or two it was not him, but something else. Pippin tells Him he is a hobbit. Two different reports of a hobbit near Minas Tirith who potentially have the Ring. He sends a Nazgul over to investigate (that was in the book). Pippin gets to Minas Tirith, and (according to PJ in the preview) Denethor thinks he has the Ring, because of the riddle about the halfling and Isildur's Bane. So the he goes and gets on the palantir, and Sauron finds out that the Ring is in Minas Tirith and sends His army out to get it before someone can use it.
Sounds logical enough to me, although that is not how I interpreted the whole episode in the book. And then there is the fact that Merry and Pippin are in Edoras (obviously) when Merry says "Don't you understand? The Enemy thinks you have the Ring! He's coming for the Ring."

[Black Breathalizer]

People, you need to pay attention!!! The ringwraiths have a keen scene of smell and poor sight. They sense the ring WHEN FRODO PUTS IT ON OR IS CLOSE TO PUTTING IT ON!!!!

Examples:

The black rider scene: The rider only begins to sense the ring as Frodo gets closer and closer to putting it on.

The riders *know* where the ring is the exact moment that Frodo puts on the ring in Bree.

The riders *see* Frodo when he puts on the ring on Weathertop.

The Nazgul senses something in the area of the swamp as Frodo struggles to keep from putting on the ring. He leaves once Sam helps Frodo.

The Nazgul sense something in Ogiliath as Frodo struggles to keep from putting on the ring (THE SAME as in the book's Morgul Valley). He leaves when Sam helps Frodo.

[Gamigar]

[QUOTE] I just really hope that when Aragorn says, "He has gone unchallenged long enough," it doesn't mean that he's going to duel with Sauron. I remember hearing that it would happen.

i wouldn't worry about it, i mean, i heard a rumor that the extended FotR was gonna be rated r because Arwen and Aragorn, well....um...made..uh...
you know, went farther than kissing in rivendell.

[Gamigar]

Wait a minute, how could Sauron think that Pippin had the ring when his ringwraith saw Frodo hold out the ring???!!!

[cassiopeia]

Originally posted by Gamigar
Wait a minute, how could Sauron think that Pippin had the ring when his ringwraith saw Frodo hold out the ring???!!!

Apparently the Ringwraith didn't see or feel the Ring. :rolleyes:

[Dúnedain]

I can't wait :D

[Yodaman]

Dernhelm is in ROTK, okay? Not to be rude, but I think that you would know about her by know. There are no live action pictures of her, but there are pictures of her action figure. You can find them at www.thegd.com. It's an awsome site. Lol.

Yodaman.

[Rosie Gamgee]

She better be!!!

I think when Aragorn says "He has gone unchallenged long enough" he's talking about Saruman.
He's obviously in Rohan when he says it, so I'm betting it's before he and Theoden and Gandalf set out to Isengard (and then they find Merry and Pip enjoying the spoils of battle!:D :D hee hee, love that part!!)

[Evenstar1400]

yeah, but aragorn could also be talking about sauron. i heard somewhere there might be a head to head battle between the two as a build up to the climax..... (i think its just to piss us fans off and to see how long aragorn can last against sauron before he gets squished like a pancake.)

then again, i could be wrong. sauron needs the ring to have a body and if he doesnt have a body he cant go against aragorn.

but then again, aragorn could be talking about a mental challenge, like what he did in the palantir.

or i could be entirely wrong.

i just cant wait to see the battle on the pelannor fields. i read in an article its supposed to make helms deep look like "a hobbit family picnic."

yay!

[Entlover]

It just occured to me, thinking about that totally senseless scene with the fell beast in Osgiliath, that the Nazgul sensed but did not see the ring, BUT the fell beast saw the ring -- though not being any more intelligent than a rutabaga it tried to grab it but could not communicate it's findings to the Nazgul, and then it's attention was distracted by being shot by Faramir.

[The Gaffer]

Imagine that. He he he. Mass walkout of entire fan-base.

Good points about the Osgiliath ring-waving incident. I suppose it's conceivable that Sauron didn't know there was more than one hobbit.

Methinks PJ had been at me home brew when that bit was scripted, but I'm pleased to see reports that they're going to make more out of Pippin and Aragorn using the Palantir.

[Elvengirl]

Doesn't Miranda Otto say that she had read and copied all of Eowyn/Dernhelm's lines from the book and kept them with her so as to fully learn, understand, and become her character. Per that it sounds like (I hope) her part will be pretty accurate to the book, that her lines will be the same.

It does look like the Dunedain will not be in The Paths of the Dead, which will be dissappointing, but how can Jackson remove them? Their role is essential to winning the battle at Pelennor. Who'd show up to save the day?
But then again at Helm's Deep Jackson added the Elven army so who knows what could happen. :eek:

I can't wait to see how Merry and Pippin are going to be, if they are going to mature into little warriors. Oh, and Shelob should be wicked and Frodo and Sam, and Gandalf, and the confrontation with Saruman, and the Grey Havens, and oh,....... everything.
Overall it looks like it will be very good. We'll have to wait and see.

I'm excited! :D

[Evenstar1400]

(as counted on LOTR TT 2003 wall calendar) exactly... 80 days till ROTK!!!!!!!!!

yay!!!

[Valandil]

Those of you concerned about Aragorn's challenge... not to worry. It's about a direct quote from the book, "Too long has he gone unchallenged since he returned to his tower" (or something like that) about 2/3rds of the way thru chapter "The Last Debate". It does refer to Aragorn's use of the palantir - revealing himself to Sauron and wresting control of the sphere from him.

I, er... DON'T have the whole thing memorized, but had recently re-read ROTK to get myself tuned in for the upcoming third movie.

Ahhh... you know, I didn't used to think so - but more and more, I see lembas as a kind of chocolate-chip cookie... maybe even, "baked in magic ovens in an elf factory" - but that's dating myself. :)

Go Cubs!!! (can I say that here?)

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Elvengirl
It does look like the Dunedain will not be in The Paths of the Dead, which will be dissappointing, but how can Jackson remove them? Their role is essential to winning the battle at Pelennor. Who'd show up to save the day?


I agree that it sucks that the Dúnedain won't be in the picture but it wasn't just them that saved the day, remember there is also, "The Army of the Dead", so knowing that the Army of the Dead is going to be in the movie I bet their role will be expanded and maybe even get up to the Pellanor Fields, but I have no clue really just guessing :D

[Elvengirl]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
I agree that it sucks that the Dúnedain won't be in the picture but it wasn't just them that saved the day, remember there is also, "The Army of the Dead", so knowing that the Army of the Dead is going to be in the movie I bet their role will be expanded and maybe even get up to the Pellanor Fields, but I have no clue really just guessing :D

Yes, that's true, it's definitely a possibility.

He may even use the Army of the Dead only in Pelennor field and just take out the fighting in the south.

:D

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Elvengirl
Yes, that's true, it's definitely a possibility.

He may even use the Army of the Dead only in Pelennor field and just take out the fighting in the south.

:D


Yup that's what I was thinking, I mean that would translate well into the movie, and I wouldn't have that much of a problem with it, even though I wish I wasn't cut from the movie :D

[Elvengirl]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
Yup that's what I was thinking, I mean that would translate well into the movie, and I wouldn't have that much of a problem with it, even though I wish I wasn't cut from the movie :D

I wouldn't have a problem either, and it would work well into the movie. It'd make sense. :D Picture the Army of the Dead in combat with the host of Mordor. hehe exciting :D

Though I do wish the Dunedain would be there. :( :)