Small plot points: In RoTK or not?

[Laurelindórenan]

Since there is only one movie left and still a good deal left to cover, what small plot points do you think will be left out of RoTK?

Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth?

The love story of Faramir and Éowyn?

The ruin of Saruman?

The wedding of Arwen and Aragorn?

And the scouring of the Shire is definitely cut, right?

What do you all think? There's just not enough time for everything that's left. :(

[IronParrot]

My speculation is that you have three out of five there. Specifically, the middle three.

I highly doubt we'll see Imrahil when we've already kicked Fatty Bolger and Glorfindel out of the picture. Having too many prominent characters is a huge problem in a movie. LOTR is already stretching the limits of a typical movie audience in terms of the breadth of its cast.

Faramir-Eowyn, the ruin of Saruman and the wedding are sure bets. The first two movies are setting us up for that.

The Scouring of the Shire is out for sure. Hopefully they will still retain the element of apathy towards Frodo and his travels (hence the whole idea of a fading legend), and round out Merry and Pippin's development arc another way.

For the record, I'm not betting on the Woses, either.

[Lalaith]

Prince Imrahil won't be in it, I'm quite sure.
But the Grey Havens will be. Hopefully.

[IronParrot]

Grey Havens are a certainty. Peter Jackson has repeatedly called it his favourite part of the entire novel; plus, the fading of Middle-Earth is one of the themes he's really pushing in the movies.

[Shadowfax]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Prince Imrahil won't be in it, I'm quite sure.
But the Grey Havens will be. Hopefully. The Grey Havens...how could that not be in the film? I would be thoroughly disappointed if it wasn't; that's such a good part.

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
The Grey Havens...how could that not be in the film? I would be thoroughly disappointed if it wasn't; that's such a good part.
He has done other things ... so I don't think it would be a problem just leaving them away ... just loads of disappointed Tolkien followers

[cassiopeia]

The scouring is definitely out, and I would bet Imrahil's out as well. Both love stories will be in, I would imagine, as well as Saruman's ruin (from being spiked, perhaps). ;) :) I think the Woses may be in the movie: imdb has an actor listed as playing Ghan-buri-Ghan, see here (http://us.imdb.com/Name?Kaa,+Wi+Kuki)
There is no way the Grey Havens are out; I'm sure I've read Elijah Wood and Sean Astin talking about filming it. It's going to be so sad.

[IronParrot]

Well remember, IMDB's data is submitted by its readers, so take it with a grain of salt.

And yes, as cassiopeia said and I already noted, the Grey Havens are a sure thing. That is how ROTK will end, and it's been confirmed over and over.

[Snowdog]

The love story between Eowyn Faramir, two characters already introduced, wil be in it in some form, because this stuff appeals to the female audience of which Pj has from the beginning tried to do (Arwen at the ford... :rolleyes: ). They will probably cover the wedding of Aragorn & Arwen in a narrative passing-thoughts way similar to the bit in Two Towers where Arwen is mourning Aragorn's passing while Elrond speaks.

Woses are not a big part of the books and will not make the cut, and if they did film any of that, it may be on the SE ROTK DVD.

Grey Havens will be in, though I think it may be expanded in the SE DVD.

Sarumann... If they just have Grima slip a blade in him .... :)

[galadriel]

You never know about character cuts. For instance, I figured we'd hear nothing about Theodred in TTT, and his death ended up being emphasized more than in the book. So Ghan-buri-Ghan might make the cut if PJ finds him useful. Not so hopeful about Imrahil though... he didn't do much of anything, did he?

Too bad about the Scouring of the Shire... I'm going to miss watching Lobelia attacking "Sharkey's" gang with her umbrella....

[durin's bane]

Lol, that would've been hilarious! :p

Prince Imrahil isn't going to make the cut. But I don't think he did anything signifigant, so it won't be too much of a loss.
The thing with Saruman is definately going to be in there; I've seen screenshots and apparently Grima pushes him on to a spike outside of Orthanc. Not in the book, but at least they're killing Saruman off in some way. At least he's not going to become Frodo's servant or something stupid. :rolleyes:
Ghan-buri-ghan will be in ROTK, but most likely the Special Edition DVD.
And as for the Grey Havens, it'll be there. It just has to.

[Dreran the Green]

I'm sure the Grey Havens will be in there. How else would anyone know what happened to characters like Gandalf and Frodo? I bet PJ will have all the hobbits crying in that scene. I'm not holding any hope for Imrahil, though. What I have been wondering about is how RotK will end? Do you think that they'll do the same ending in the book, that touching little part with Sam, or something different?

[durin's bane]

I'm not sure if this is true, but I've read somewhere that the movie will end with Galadriel.

[justaregularguy]

Answers:

http://pub108.ezboard.com/fthelotrmoviesitegeneraldiscussion.showMessage?top icID=3447.topic

[Lollypopgurl]

Yup, Imrahil's definitely out. :( Sigh.. I always had a soft spot for him.

durin's bane's right. In the extended version commentary, Fran Walsh (or was it Boyens) said that Galadriel would be the first and last person to speak in the trilogy. Kinda makes sense. She talked at the beginning of the first movie, the middle of the middle, and the end of the end.

[IronParrot]

Considering the Grey Havens - and that Galadriel has insofar been the narrator of the story in no small way (like the transitional passage in TTT's midsection) - I think it would be a very appropriate bookend if she gets the last word in.

Anyway, I refuse to read specific spoilers... and if any of you are posting confirmed information, I strongly encourage you to use the Spoiler tags to blur them out.

But that aside: I did read an old report from way back that Beregond is in for sure. I wonder how far they'll take his own little arc (of breaking the laws of Gondor and practically committing treason to save Faramir). I also wonder how much we'll see of his relationship with Pippin, if any. I don't count on Bergil being in, though.

You know, I don't much miss Tom Bombadil or Bill Ferny or the Sackville-Bagginses or Quickbeam or Radagast, so much I missed Fatty Bolger. :)

But in another sense, I do prefer that the main or semi-main characters are developed, even at the expense of minor characters being present at all. A smaller, better-developed cast is better than a broad one that is spread too thin, I find. If anyone wants me to offer specific filmic examples, just ask.

[Black Breathalizer]

My predictions:

Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth? Out completely.

The love story of Faramir and Éowyn? Will be hinted at in ROTK theatrical release and highlighted in the ROTK Extended DVD.

The ruin of Saruman? In the theatrical release. More detail in the ROTK Extended DVD

The wedding of Arwen and Aragorn? In the theatrical release -and a few more character moments in the Extended DVD.

And the scouring of the Shire is definitely cut, right? Yes.

Also...

I predict there will be no Ghan-buri-Ghan. I predict we will see Sam and Rosie together and also their daughter. We will of course see the Grey Havens and I expect the voice of Galadriel to end it---I think it would be cool if the scene faded to black and we just hear Galadriel's voice the same way the movie opened.

[mithrand1r]

Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
My predictions:

Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth? Out completely.

The love story of Faramir and Éowyn? Will be hinted at in ROTK theatrical release and highlighted in the ROTK Extended DVD.

The ruin of Saruman? In the theatrical release. More detail in the ROTK Extended DVD

The wedding of Arwen and Aragorn? In the theatrical release -and a few more character moments in the Extended DVD.

And the scouring of the Shire is definitely cut, right? Yes.

Also...

I predict there will be no Ghan-buri-Ghan. I predict we will see Sam and Rosie together and also their daughter. We will of course see the Grey Havens and I expect the voice of Galadriel to end it---I think it would be cool if the scene faded to black and we just hear Galadriel's voice the same way the movie opened.

Black Breathalizer,

I think your guesses are good as to what will probably occur in the upcomming films. (Especially considering what has already occured with the other two films.)

I think they will leave out the chance meeting with Saruman, Grima Wormtongue and the Hobbits on the Hobbits return trip from Gondor.

[IronParrot]

I think they will leave out the chance meeting with Saruman, Grima Wormtongue and the Hobbits on the Hobbits return trip from Gondor.
And that's assuming Saruman even lives that long. If the Scouring is out, such an encounter would be pointless anyway.

The book mentions a bitter, offstage parting between Arwen and Elrond. It would be interesting to see if this is going to be alluded to and offscreen, or actually shown (in either cut).

[PippinTook]

I can't believe they are cutting out sharky!!!! they will put in the wedding and eowyn romance, (personally i loved that part) i know i'm a sucker, but oh, well. the prince won't make it either, and the havens will be in or i will fly to nz and slap pj my self for being stupid:)

[gollum9630]

we deffenitly know there will be no sharky and scouring of the Shire because Galadriel gave sam rope instead of a box. :mad:

[galadriel]

I would be surprised if they didn't highlight Eowyn and Faramir.... It seems like the kind of drama that they would milk for all it was worth.

I like the idea of showing the Elrond/Arwen parting, however briefly... one more reason to break out in tears (which I have a feeling I'll be doing a lot)!

[IronParrot]

Adaptation-wise, Eowyn is arguably the best-handled character thus far, so it wouldn't make sense not to complete her story arc.

[Lalaith]

Yesterday I watched The Fellowship again and there was something interesting that Galadriel said.
She said to Aragorn, that they won't ever meet again. I think that's strange because I thought that she attended the wedding in the book.

[IronParrot]

Yes, I noticed that as well. It does have some interesting implications for the "Fields of Cormallen" chapter and the wedding...

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by IronParrot
Yes, I noticed that as well. It does have some interesting implications for the "Fields of Cormallen" chapter and the wedding...
But I want to see Galadriel again.
god, now we discover all the cruelties PJ will do to us

[Aragorn's Sister]

Originally posted by Laurelindórenan
Since there is only one movie left and still a good deal left to cover, what small plot points do you think will be left out of RoTK?

Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth?

The love story of Faramir and Éowyn?

The ruin of Saruman?

The wedding of Arwen and Aragorn?

And the scouring of the Shire is definitely cut, right?

What do you all think? There's just not enough time for everything that's left. :( 12
I think the whole thing with Faramir will unfortuantely left out.

They won't cut out Aragorn/Arwen because Arwen was brought so much into the story and everyone who hasn't read the books is going to want to know what happens there.

Yeah, I'm sure you're right 'bout the Scouring of the Shire because it's not even shown in the mirror of galadriel.

I wish they would just make the movie as long as it has to be coz which Tolkien fan wouldn't sit through it to get everything. We should get a global petition signed for an uneditted version of the whole story!!

[IronParrot]

I think the whole thing with Faramir will unfortuantely left out.
Well, I'd hedge a bet that it's definitely in. Considering the amount of attention already given to Faramir and Eowyn as characters, their respective character arcs will be completed... how much is pared down and left for the DVD release is the real question.

[Kalimac]

The following are confirmed SPOILERS:

The romance of Faramir and Eowyn occurs and they do get married. There is an early report from AICN describing the kiss.

The wedding of Aragorn and Arwen is also confirmed by early spoiler reports from AICN, Eonline, other sources. There is a description and photograph of Arwens wedding gown.

Confirmed reports that the Grey Havens was filmed, and their are set pictures

The Scouring won't take place, but that doesn't mean the hobbits do not return home and on the way run into Saruman and Wormtongue . . although most indications are that the Saruman story will be wrapped up before that the end of the War of the Ring.

Jackson has stated that the movie will run as long as it takes to tell the story .. and NL seems to be agreeing with this (from recent news reports).