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Fimbrethil
05-05-2003, 08:29 PM
Okay, the second book is the first place it mentions this(I think) and it says that no student is allowed to do magic outside of school well I forgot which book this is in but on the Hogwarts Express Hermione fixes a window using magic. Now that could be over looked and all since they were on the train and I geuss if got technical terms would have already started but I have more! In the forth book at the Quditch(sp?) World Cup they all (except Harry cause he's lost his wand) use the lumos spell and no matter how you look at it it's still against the rules. So did Rowling just slip or was this done porpuse?
LadyGreenleaf22
05-05-2003, 08:49 PM
I read something like this... IN the movie the Chamber of Secrets, Hermione also fixes Harry's classes. I think the no magic rule has something to do mainly with doing magic in front of Muggles. LIke when Harry did magic at the Dursley's he got the notice from Hogwarts, but in Diagon Alley, there are all (more or less) wizards.
gimli7410
05-06-2003, 12:42 AM
yea but the quidditch cup thing was in such extreme circumstances and plus they are pretty lenient i think on minor spells
sun-star
05-06-2003, 05:08 AM
There doesn't seem much point in restricting children from doing magic when they're surrounded by witches and wizards, rather than Muggles who might panic :D Also, it depends how the Ministry detects magical activity. If all they know is that "a spell has been performed at this address" (like the letter Harry got in the Chamber of Secrets when Dobby was the one who had done magic) they can't tell if it was an underage or qualified wizard.
Elf Girl
05-06-2003, 06:50 AM
Yeah, at the Quidditch cup, there were, (a) no Muggles present, and (b) Dark wizards running everywhere. It was permitted because it was necessary. I thing once they are on the train the school year has officially started.
Arcala
05-06-2003, 05:17 PM
I thing once they are on the train the school year has officially started.

Wow, Elf Girl, someone who thinks the same way I do!:) :p :D
durin's bane
05-06-2003, 06:30 PM
It's only doing magic in front of Muggles and when you do huge spells. For example, you'd get a notice if you used Wingardium Leviosa if you used it in front of a Muggle.
Elf Girl
05-06-2003, 07:37 PM
But Wingardium Leviosa is a really minor spell... They were learning it in first year!
durin's bane
05-07-2003, 07:02 PM
Yes, but you'd think a Muggle would notice something floating in the air.
Elf Girl
05-08-2003, 03:13 PM
Good point... ;)
Fimbrethil
05-08-2003, 08:08 PM
Ah! If I only had a brain...I could think of things like that.
Eowyn, Lady of Rohan
05-17-2003, 06:23 PM
Originally posted by LadyGreenleaf22
I read something like this... IN the movie the Chamber of Secrets, Hermione also fixes Harry's classes. I think the no magic rule has something to do mainly with doing magic in front of Muggles. LIke when Harry did magic at the Dursley's he got the notice from Hogwarts, but in Diagon Alley, there are all (more or less) wizards.

Do you mean 'glasses'?
Estel13
05-17-2003, 07:06 PM
1. The Ministry of Magic, and particularly the Department of Magical Law Enforcement DO NOT overlook minor spells.
2. Find a copy of the Decree for the Restriction of Underage Sorcery, and read it.
3. Regardless of whether there are Muggles around or not, they aren't permitted to use magic outside of Hogwarts. Except in emergencies. :)
Elvengirl
05-21-2003, 09:55 AM
Originally posted by Elf Girl
Yeah, at the Quidditch cup, there were, (a) no Muggles present, and (b) Dark wizards running everywhere. It was permitted because it was necessary. I thing once they are on the train the school year has officially started.

no the school year hasnt started yet because in the second book after they steal the car and fly it to hogworts after they get there professer McGonagall gives them detention and then harry says "when we took the car term hadnt started so we shouldnt loose any points for Gryffindor" so there for the term hadnt started yet but i think there allowd to do magic on the train or at least not infront of muggles.
The Ben
06-04-2003, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by Fimbrethil
Okay, the second book is the first place it mentions this(I think) and it says that no student is allowed to do magic outside of school well I forgot which book this is in but on the Hogwarts Express Hermione fixes a window using magic. Now that could be over looked and all since they were on the train and I geuss if got technical terms would have already started but I have more! In the forth book at the Quditch(sp?) World Cup they all (except Harry cause he's lost his wand) use the lumos spell and no matter how you look at it it's still against the rules. So did Rowling just slip or was this done porpuse?

against the rules to what?
LutraMage
06-06-2003, 04:51 PM
against the rules to what?
I believe that would be the Decree for the Restriction of Underage Sorcery - See estel13's comments above.
Fimbrethil
06-10-2003, 02:51 PM
Well I think these are all very valid pionts and I geuss we'll never know. Unless someone was to drag JKR here and force her to post...not that I've tried or anything...:rolleyes:
Lady of Rohan
06-16-2003, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by Elf Girl
I thing once they are on the train the school year has officially started.

Yah but, wasn't it against the rules to use magic in the halls? :confused: I am pretty sure it was, but I am not positive.
Elf Girl
06-17-2003, 10:03 PM
Yes, but it was only punishable by a few points taken from the offender's House, not expulusion or something drastic like that.

no the school year hasnt started yet because in the second book after they steal the car and fly it to hogworts after they get there professer McGonagall gives them detention and then harry says "when we took the car term hadnt started so we shouldnt loose any points for Gryffindor" so there for the term hadnt started yet but i think there allowd to do magic on the train or at least not infront of muggles.
But they didn't get on the train. Since they were viewable by Muggles, the term had not started for them, I think. (Please keep in mind these are hypothesises. (Hypothesese?) Just my opinion.)
wahine
06-19-2003, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by Fimbrethil
Okay, the second book is the first place it mentions this(I think) and it says that no student is allowed to do magic outside of school well I forgot which book this is in but on the Hogwarts Express Hermione fixes a window using magic. Now that could be over looked and all since they were on the train and I geuss if got technical terms would have already started but I have more! In the forth book at the Quditch(sp?) World Cup they all (except Harry cause he's lost his wand) use the lumos spell and no matter how you look at it it's still against the rules. So did Rowling just slip or was this done porpuse?

They can use magic on the train, I believe.
jerseydevil
06-21-2003, 02:12 AM
I think there are several points.

1) They can't tell WHO performed the magic - only the location. So performing magic at the Qudditch World Cup - they would have no idea it was someone underage.

2) I think they're more concerned with Muggles seeing the magic. So minor spells on the train would be overlooked - not to mention that they have adults on the train who could be performing those spells too.

These two points have been made - but I just wanted to reinforce them.

As for the car - there were several things wrong with that. Aduts weren't even supposed to be enchanting muggle items - in case they accidently fell into the hands of a muggle. As for Harry and Ron actually stealing the car - they did it right in broad daylight with people all around. They also didn't have their license. :D