Legolas the apparently Unwanted

[Iboen]

I'd like to know why everybody who likes Aragorn always takes the mick out of Legolas, thinking he's a prettyboy. maybe he did'nt really do anything in the first 2 films but he will in the third. If in the book Aragorn and Legolas are best friends whats the point in making the other one better than the other. Therefore i'm sticking up for Legolas Greenleaf, Prince of Mirkwood.

[Millane]

well good for you but the reason people like Aragorn better than Legolas in the movie was because Aragorn was better than Legolas in the movie... Legolas did look like a pretty boy but if all girls didnt get all ooooohy and aaaaahy over him (except of course if he's slaughtering things:p ) then people wouldnt have as much of a go at him

[Lalaith]

Just a short question: Are we talking about the book or the movie Legolas?
I have to say I loved him both in the book and in the movie.
He was cute and handsome in the movie and seemed to be a good fighter.
And he was so funny in the books and also seemed to be a good fighter as well as a good friend.

[Indril Anarion]

Hear, hear!!!


I'm with you, Lalaith!

[Gwaimir Windgem]

I would like to point out that Legolas is in fact not best friends with Aragorn, but with Gimli. :)

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
I would like to point out that Legolas is in fact not best friends with Aragorn, but with Gimli. :)
Yeah, that's true. I doubt that Aragorn had a best friend in the fellowship. Maybe Gandalf.

[Sween]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Yeah, that's true. I doubt that Aragorn had a best friend in the fellowship. Maybe Gandalf.

Aragorn was super best friend to all the fellowship they all love him, well infact anyone does legolas say something to that extent in the book.

I think Aragorn and the hobbits shared a great undersatnding he was with them from allmost the begining and after Gandalf held there love the most.

Its very clear in the book how aragorn loves frodo because of the pain he has suffred

[Lalaith]

I don't think that Aragorn was everyones best friend. He was more the kind of guy how walks alone, without friends. I think the others didn't really fit to him and they didn't understand his fears and expectations.

[Sween]

Originally posted by Lalaith
I don't think that Aragorn was everyones best friend. He was more the kind of guy how walks alone, without friends. I think the others didn't really fit to him and they didn't understand his fears and expectations.

well i think you are very wrong! The hobbits within a few ays hold Aragorn in very high esteem infact by rivendell frodo was ready to beg him to come on the journey with them. Gandalf hold him very highly in eteem and spent a large portion of his time brinigin hiom to be ready for power.

Gimli wouldnt of passed on the paths of the dead but for lovew of him. Legolas also says openly he loves him.

Boromir by the time he dies has been won over by him and accepts him as the king and asks him to save gondor because he sees without him it wont be saved.

as well as in the houses of healing the maid by the time he retunrs says he may be shape with words but has a hert of gold.

Eomir also says openly he loves him his sis was pretty keen an all

[Gwaimir Windgem]

I agree with Lalaith. Aragorn seems to be rather a loner to me. More someone to look up to, for everyone in the company except Gandalf, than a dear chummy person in my opinion.

[Lalaith]

Yeah, in some parts I think you are right, Sween. They all loved him, but that does not say that he was their best friend. To the hobbits he was probably more father and saver (is that the right word?) like and to Legolas and Gimli he was the best leader they could have. But he was not their best friend because he was a lonesome rider.
Or how do you explain it that the hobbits and the others knew that little of him? He wasn't really close to them.

[Sween]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Yeah, in some parts I think you are right, Sween. They all loved him, but that does not say that he was their best friend. To the hobbits he was probably more father and saver (is that the right word?) like and to Legolas and Gimli he was the best leader they could have. But he was not their best friend because he was a lonesome rider.
Or how do you explain it that the hobbits and the others knew that little of him? He wasn't really close to them.

they only knew so little because there was so much to tell and a lot of him i think was need to know. He wasnt such a lonesome person he was acknoledged leader of the Dundain of the north (and there where much more of these than the 30 compainions of his).

As a genral rule i dont love anyone im not mates with as a rule so yes they would of all been good mates.

[Lalaith]

Nobody said that they have not been good friends. But do you love your father? If yes, is he your best friend?
Or another question: Isn't it possible that a private loves his chief, although it is not his best friend (they should not be friends, as a fact).

[Sween]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Nobody said that they have not been good friends. But do you love your father? If yes, is he your best friend?
Or another question: Isn't it possible that a private loves his chief, although it is not his best friend (they should not be friends, as a fact).

im quite indifferent towards my father!

Anyway thats not the point. Aragorn of all the fellowship was one of the most loth to break them up when he get married he wants his friends present and it pains them to break up. From the styler of writing of tolkien i can see why aragorn could maybe be seen as a bit of a loner the POV switches a lot but it never really switches to Aragorn its ussually a hobbits or if a hobbit isnt there gimli or just a non person looking on!

i filmly belive that Aragorn was very friendly with all the fellowship

[Lalaith]

Of course he was friendly and they were friends. but never too close. First not because he had secrets and was a lonley guy and then he was king.
And of course he wanted his friends to stay, but they were not BEST friends. That's the point I want to make clear.
I believe that the person you follow and is your leader and you admire that much, can hardly me your best friend.

[durin's bane]

Because Aragorn sucks, but his fans just won't admit it, so they pick on Legolas. ;)

[Lady of Rohan]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Just a short question: Are we talking about the book or the movie Legolas?
I have to say I loved him both in the book and in the movie.
He was cute and handsome in the movie and seemed to be a good fighter.
And he was so funny in the books and also seemed to be a good fighter as well as a good friend.

Here, here!

(Oh, and i also agree with Durin ;) )

[Artanis]

Originally posted by Lalaith
I believe that the person you follow and is your leader and you admire that much, can hardly me your best friend. Oh yes, I think they can. Think about Frodo and Sam. They were master and servant, and yet, have you ever seen a more dedicated friendship?

Still I think you may be right about Aragorn's relationship with the members of the Fellowship. He was not close to any of them, except perhaps Gandalf. But they all loved him. Think about Legolas. He postponed his journey to the Undying Lands until Aragorn was dead. It does say something, doesn't it?

I'm unable to compare Aragorn to Legolas, they're both dear to me.

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by Lalaith
He was cute and handsome in the movie and seemed to be a good fighter.
Those were CG arrows and a CG Troll.

Originally posted by Iboen
I'd like to know ..., thinking he's a prettyboy. maybe he did'nt really do anything in the first 2 films but he will in the third.
Re: 'prettyboy'... because he is.

He did far less than the other members of the Fellowship in any of the books. He was an after thought of Tolkien. He was supposed to be another Hobbit but one of less importance than the others.

*looks around* oh, did this become a Legolas Fangirl thread. *walks out*

[markedel]

Aragorn frankly had the heaviest burden save Gandalf and Frodo-and unlike Frodo he had far more knowledge of the quest. The other seven were on a perilous journey, Aragorn on the othe rhand had destiny hanging over him, and a long line of anscestors weighing him down.

[Khamûl]

Please keep discussion of the movies to the movies forum.

[Orion]

Originally posted by Lalaith
I don't think that Aragorn was everyones best friend. He was more the kind of guy who walks alone, without friends. I think the others didn't really fit to him and they didn't understand his fears and expectations.
I think that his closest friends were his fellow rangers, like Halbarad. (Like you said), he could understand Aragorn better than the people in the fellowship could, because they had the same background and they had known each others for a long time.

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by Ruinel
Those were CG arrows and a CG Troll.


Destroy my illusions. *starts crying*
No, seriously. But then nobody of all the actors would have been a good fighter.

[Bombadillo]

I think readers dislike Legolas because he may seem relatively useless to to the fellowship, and because he isn't the coolest, badassest character. And many people don't like movie Legolas because "he doesn't even do anything and he's the only one you hear about." Frankly they're jealous. Perhaps.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Uh, Lai...

Originally posted by Khamûl
Please keep discussion of the movies to the movies forum.

:p

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Uh, Lai...



:p
Talking to me?
I didn't make this ambiguous thread. It's not quite clear if it is about book or movie.

[azalea]

As I was reading this, I was going to make the same comment as Khamul, but he beat me to it. If I had seen this when it was only the first two posts, I would have moved it to the other forum, but since then the discussion has turned from ambiguity to being basically about the character of Legolas (with a tangent discussion about Aragorn), so I'm leaving it here. Comments about movie Legolas can be made in one of the several threads about him in that forum.

[Iboen]

i'm sorry this turned out to be a movie thread but i'd just like to say that (as a last say sort of thing) Legolas (Orlando Bloom) only did nothing in the film because it was his flippin' first film.

He's a newbie just like me. :)

[azalea]

There's no need to apologize -- I was just remarking that since it was placed here and the discussion has been less about the movie that I would be leaving it here.:)

[Lalaith]

the character of Legolas in the book wasn't too often mentioned (so I guess he wasn't that important in the movie either) ... we don't know that much about him

[Seladeen the Hobbit]

the reason people think this is because legolas got a horriable part. i mean, to anyone who hasnt read the books and reliazed that he is REALLY cool and aragon the same. i dont go on either sides but the part in the movie (for legolas) sucked while aragons rocked hard core!

[Lalaith]

I guess that had to have a main character (which was almost Aragorn). but we shoud go back to the book, really

[Wayfarer]

Allright, my restraint is failing.

Everybody, this thread is in the books forum. Either /stuff/ the films or get a mod to move this thread.

Sowwy bout dat, folks.

[Lalaith]

I thought the book Legolas was very funny.

[IthilienPrincess]

Originally posted by Wayfarer
Allright, my restraint is failing.

Everybody, this thread is in the books forum. Either /stuff/ the films or get a mod to move this thread.

Sowwy bout dat, folks.

this is about legolas, it doesn't necessarily fit exclusively into either forum, i think it's fine if we discuss Legolas in the movie and book

[azalea]

Well, you see, the problem with that is that we have a strict policy here that ALL discussion of the movies be confined to the movie forum (see thread at top of this forum), since really, the movie is just an interpretation of TLotR. This forum is exclusively for discussion of the book, and the movie has no relevance here. That is why any movie discussion is confined to that forum.
So as I said, the course of this particular discussion led us to analyzing the character of Legolas and his relations with the other members of the Fellowship. That is a perfectly legitimate discussion, and logically fits here. Again, the movie is irrelevant here (IOW, it is not appropriate to use movie Legolas in analyses of the book or in defense of arguments pertaining to the books, because the movie isn't the source material. Conversely, we do use instances from the book when discussing the movie in its forum, because the book is the source material.)

There are, as I said, at least two or three threads in the movie forum that would be entirely appropriate to discuss Legolas as he is portrayed in the movies, and I encourage anyone who wishes to do so to, well, do so!:) But posting about the movie here makes no sense, because in this forum we discuss the books!

Now doesn't that make sense, everyone?:)

BTW, welcome to Entmoot, IthilienPrincess.:)

[Lalaith]

It makes sense, of course.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by Wayfarer
Allright, my restraint is failing.

Everybody, this thread is in the books forum. Either /stuff/ the films or get a mod to move this thread.

Sowwy bout dat, folks.

Hey, you know the fangirls...Can't help themselves. ;)

[IthilienPrincess]

Originally posted by azalea
Well, you see, the problem with that is that we have a strict policy here that ALL discussion of the movies be confined to the movie forum (see thread at top of this forum), since really, the movie is just an interpretation of TLotR. This forum is exclusively for discussion of the book, and the movie has no relevance here. That is why any movie discussion is confined to that forum.
So as I said, the course of this particular discussion led us to analyzing the character of Legolas and his relations with the other members of the Fellowship. That is a perfectly legitimate discussion, and logically fits here. Again, the movie is irrelevant here (IOW, it is not appropriate to use movie Legolas in analyses of the book or in defense of arguments pertaining to the books, because the movie isn't the source material. Conversely, we do use instances from the book when discussing the movie in its forum, because the book is the source material.)

There are, as I said, at least two or three threads in the movie forum that would be entirely appropriate to discuss Legolas as he is portrayed in the movies, and I encourage anyone who wishes to do so to, well, do so!:) But posting about the movie here makes no sense, because in this forum we discuss the books!

Now doesn't that make sense, everyone?:)

BTW, welcome to Entmoot, IthilienPrincess.:)

Thanks, azalea. I didn't mean to cause a big thing, but some people only have the movies to go by. I'm just saying that discussing the character Legolas could be done using the movies or books. I totally understand the policy though. sorry!

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Sad, isn't it, that some people only watch those (erhem) movies without reading the books...But it's their own choice.

[IthilienPrincess]

yeah it is, they're missing out.

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Hey, you know the fangirls...Can't help themselves. ;)
Nothing agains Fangirls. I'm a Book-Legolas fangirl.
IMO he is the funniest person in LotR and that's why I like him (mostly).

[Iboen]

OK, OK! i get the picture. but if i did ask for this thread to be moved to the movies forum, we wouldn't be able to refer to the book Legolas WOULD we? hmm? :P

[Linaewen]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Nothing agains Fangirls. I'm a Book-Legolas fangirl.
IMO he is the funniest person in LotR and that's why I like him (mostly).

He's pretty funny. I think Gimli and Bilbo are pretty darn hilarious as well.

On topic: I don't think Legolas was the most insignificant member of the Fellowship. He's not so much of a useless person as some people have made out. He DID contribute.

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by Linaewen
He's pretty funny. I think Gimli and Bilbo are pretty darn hilarious as well.

On topic: I don't think Legolas was the most insignificant member of the Fellowship. He's not so much of a useless person as some people have made out. He DID contribute.
He didn't do less than Gimli (was that grammatically correct?).

[Linaewen]

Originally posted by Lalaith
He didn't do less than Gimli (was that grammatically correct?).

Yes, that is correct. (In both respects)

[durin's bane]

Originally posted by Lalaith
He didn't do less than Gimli (was that grammatically correct?).

Exactly right. Even though Legolas wasn't the most important, he still played more of a part than Gimli.

[azalea]

Originally posted by Iboen
OK, OK! i get the picture. but if i did ask for this thread to be moved to the movies forum, we wouldn't be able to refer to the book Legolas WOULD we? hmm? :P

Yes, as I said in my post, the books CAN be and ARE talked about in the movies forum, because the books are the source material for the movies. If you as the thread starter meant for it to be about the movies, then I can move it there. But I felt that the subject fit better here, where it was originally posted, because of the subject matter of the posts at the point when I first read the thread.

IthilienPrincess: No problem! :)