X-men 2

[gimli7410]

what did you think of it

[IronParrot]

Am going to see it as soon as I finally get around to seeing the first one again. I haven't seen the first one since it came out three years ago. I remember thinking that it had a lot of sequel potential.

Anyway, I'll be posting my thoughts here soon.

[Treebeard's apprentice]

I liked it. They did a good job of making it still seem like a comic book with the camera effects and special effects and stuff. For example, the extreme close-ups on some character's eyes is a very comic-book thing to do. Also, slowing down and speeding up different parts of action scenes make it pretty interesting.

I also like how Phoenix has a good intro/foreshadowing without giving too much away and leaving plenty of room for more sequels -- yay!

[Huan]

X-Men 2 was...was... oh good golly gosh it was just light-years better then the first one. Watching Pyro being corrupted into Magneto's Brotherhood, Wolverine's fight with Lady Deathstrike, my beloved Jean Grey phoenixing out like that. Oh I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. Whoever would have thought that I'd get such a charge from seeing Siryn of all people on screen?!!!! And those little touches like Hank McCoy on the tv or Colossus using his powers, even better that moment when Colossus tells Wolverine "I can help you," but Logan turns down the help for the sake of the kiddies, setting up a potential "fireball special" that doesn't transpire in this movie but could very well still and now MUST occur in episode three. Edge...of..my... seat.
BUT...

[Huan]

On a strictly nit-picky note, the opening: Nightcrawler (my favorite X-Man mind you) kicks arse all down the West Wing of the White House, incapacitating every Secret Service man in the joint on down through the Oval Office. My quesiton is: ummm, why doesn't he just teleport into the Oval Office and catch the president off his (and the Secret Service's) guard? That's just logic. Sure it looks better the other way but c'mon.

[Varda Oiolosseo]

I sooooooooooo can't wait to see it! I loved the first one!
I'm off to see it in a couple of hours!! I can't wait! :D :D

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Me like plenty. :D

I remember I had some minor complaint, but I can't remember it now...:p

[Lalaith]

I want to see it. But somehow I don't have the money. Damn. Will go at the end of the month. Hurray. Can't wait to see it.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

I know this will shock everyone, but my favourite X-Man (besides Storm :D) is...-gasp- Nightcrawler! :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Indril Anarion]

I LOVED it!!!! It was a million times better than the first! My fav X-Men are Jean Grey, Nightcrawler, and Pyro (has the attitude, but is sooo cool)

Mystique was so cool too...when she snuck into the underground base and makes it in, while shooting a bird to the bad guy...so cool!
I give it 5 out of 5 stars...
There has to be a third movie...there's just gotta be!
:D :D :D :D :D

[Lalaith]

Damn, I want to see it. See evil Ian McKellen

[Jonathan]

I want to see Gambit, he's my favourite X-man.
Is he included in the film?

[Firekitten2006]

cant wait! goin on Friday to see it!!! :D

[Treebeard's apprentice]

ummm, why doesn't he just teleport into the Oval Office and catch the president off his (and the Secret Service's) guard?

Because if he can't see where he's going, he might end up half-inside a wall or something. That was where that whole faith thing came in with Storm later.

[Huan]

oh yeahhhhh...never mind :) .

[Satine]

doesnt any one like kitty, the one who walks throghwalls, othewise known as shadowcat, she is so kool, she rox!!!! well i think so !!!!!!!!!!!!! She is sooo kool even in the cartoon one episodes

[Millane]

god it was so awesome!!! soooo much better than Spiderman and now im thinking it will be better than the hulk... i loved Colossus i agree totally with Huan... gotta go see it again. Magneto's scene with the guard was absolutely awesome... One minor complaint was lack of blood the good blood was the flashback of wolverene but the rest was alright but should have been like wolverenes flashback... I loved wolverene in this because he reminded me and my friends of another friend who is a beer pig just like wolverene and oh so many similarities


ooooooh i couldnt help noticing another aussie up to 4 now soon we'll be ruling this entmoot:p

[Huan]

I love Kitty Pryde, Satine. After Nightcrawler she was my favorite mutant as a kid (it's now rapidly becoming Jean Grey). In fact, when the first movie came out I was a little disappointed that they kind of turned Rogue into the Kitty Pryde figure. I'm over it now :) . Oops, afternoon showing in twenty minutes; don't want to be late for my second viewing of it.

[FoolofaTook]

Great film. Loved the scene when the commandos infiltrated the school and Wolverine fights them. I also liked the foreshadowing of Pheonix.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Gah! Evil spoilers! :mad: :mad: :mad: Wicked, nassssty 'Mootersss! :p

[Huan]

eeek, didn't even occur to me. I guess I just assumed everyone would see it on opening weekend. Sorry, Gwaimir (why isn't there a smilie conveying a really sheepish don't-hit-me expression?). Meanwhile, when I got home from my second helping of X2, the first movie "happened" to be on television, and I have to say, though I definitely dig the original movie, I'm beginning to understand those people who said that X-Men was basically an extended trailer for X-Men 2. I mean, the first movie is like a high school play compared to the second one. Another thing that occured to me seeing them one after another like that: maybe Professor X should consider taking a sledgehammer to Cerebro. I mean, how many times do villains have to sabotage a device you hook up to your own BRAIN before it outlives its usefulness? Another spoiler, I know. Go see the movie already! :)

[Gwaimir Windgem]

No, I saw the movie. I was referring to all the talk of "Phoenix". :p

[Huan]

Oh. Well my feeling is, if anyone doesn't know what happens to Phoenix, they deserve to have it spoiled for them. You know, that was my only disappointment on the first viewing: I was anxiously waiting for a cinematic version of the comic's iconic money shot of Phoenix bursting out of the water (where in the comic she says "I am fire and life incarnate! Now and forever I am Phoenix!" or some gobbledygook like that). I was so sure at the very end when you see that birdlike shape rising in the water that the flick would end with Famke Janssen bursting from the water, and I was SO FRUSTRATED. But I'm over it now.

By the way, I just love saying the name Famke Janssen. Famke Janssen. Sometimes I just repeat it over and over.

[Elfhelm]

Oh darn, somebody better lock the thread I stupidly started.

But in there I did put a link in case anyone doesn't know about the Pheonix Force. Or you could just type Pheonix Force into Goggle and see what that tells you.

Nightcrawler rocked. What a crazed medieval mentality. Still no Beast, no Gambit, but another cameo for Kitty Pride.

They are totally botching the X-men stories. It's bad enough we had to reconcile several writers' disagreements over the years, but now we have another non-standard timeline. Sigh.

[Huan]

Well, the movie is a thing unto itself. All of the changes help to keep the movie coherent. I haven't had a problem with a single change. By the way, the Beast was in fact in the movie: when Mystique hits on the guard in the bar, the tv shows a talking-head discussion of the "mutant problem," and one of the talking heads is Dr. Hank McCoy. The other was named Shaw, and I know that's a reference to the comic but I can't remember who it is. Maybe the guy the X-Men fought in space before the shuttle crash that created Phoenix. I am personally praying that they never include even a cameo of Gambit, as I don't believe in him, Bishop, Cable, or any other mutant who appeared after 1988, when I quit reading anything with an X on it up until Grant Morrison took over the writing.

[Bombadillo]

Well if I ever get off the moot today, I'll walk to the theatre and see it. When I saw the first one I though it pretty much sets you up for a crap sequel, but a lot of people are saying it's really good. And now that I know the storyline (Dark Pheonix Saga) I think it and the rest will also be very good.

[Arathorn]

I've seen it 4 times since wednesday last week. I like it. Much, much better than the first one, with which I think they held back a lot. Personally, I don't care if they change anything from the comic books as long as it becomes coherent based on the premises onscreen. You can always call it another alterverse or pretend it's some mutant's dream.

[Bombadillo]

Woohoo! I finally did see it yesterday. I agree Arathorn, they did hold back a lot. It was great.

In the beginning when the camera was traveling through space, was anybody else waiting for Patrick Stewart to say "Space, the final frontier...."?

[Huan]

Arathorn, to be fair it wasn't the filmmakers holding back on the first one, it was the fact that the studio wouldn't give them either the money or sufficient shooting schedule to make the film they wanted to make, the reason being, I believe, that the superhero thing was considered riskyat the time, as the last superhero movie was Batman and Robin. And studios being how they are, they blamed the flop of that movie on superheroes in general rather than the fact that Batman and Robin sucked.

[Arathorn]

Fair enough, Huan. The understandably cautious investors held back on the support. :) My main point is that, although I enjoyed the first X-Men movie, I never felt like watching again or buying a DVD. X-2 has me going back time and again to look for things to nitpick and easter eggs to hunt. It was awesome!

I also liked that they didn't go easy on the violence since most of the fans have been exposed to that through the comic books anyway. The only thing they did hold back on in this one was the blood but Logan's meat-mincing and Pyro's home-cooking scenes were nicely done.

And I also agree with some of you guys: My favorite scene was Ganda..er... Magneto's escape. Woooha!

[Huan]

Yeah, my favorite thing about the movie's bloodlessness is that the illusion of nasty violence is handled through the sound effects. When Wolverine cuts someone it SOUNDS brutal. And that scene when Lady Deathstrike just goes medieval on Logan: shunk-shunk-shunk-shunk-shunk-shunk!!!

[Dreran the Green]

I am going to see it tomorrow:D

[Gwaimir Windgem]

"Many are my names in many coutries, he said. Mithrandir among the Elves, Tharkun to the Dwarves; Olorin I was in my youth in the West that is forgotten, in the South Incanus, in the North Gandalf, and in America Magneto."

I agree that was probably my favourite scene, although now that I know what the end was...it's something of a tossup. I LOVE the whole Phoenix concept. :D

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Speaking of Lady Deathspike, some of the people in the theater were sick! When she clunked on the bottom of the tank, there were several laughs! That was NOT funny! It was realistic (considering the circumstances :p), it was dramatic, but it was NOT funny! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Celebréiel]

I heard laughs too, Gwaimir. I thought it was kinda morbid that they laughed! :confused:
Anywho, loved Nightcrawler. Heck I loved the whole movie, and all the characters! :D Im going to see it again tomorrow!!

[Arathorn]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
"Many are my names in many coutries, he said. Mithrandir among the Elves, Tharkun to the Dwarves; Olorin I was in my youth in the West that is forgotten, in the South Incanus, in the North Gandalf, and in America Magneto."


LOL! Can I borrow this quote, Gwaimir? Please pretty please with mutant genes on top? :D

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Throw in a million bucks, and you got a deal. ;)

[Huan]

Alas Gwaimir, the unwashed also laughed when Gollum was shrieking at being burned by the elven rope around his neck. Pearls before swine.

[Arathorn]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Throw in a million bucks, and you got a deal. ;)

Here's a million middle-earth bucks. ;) Thanks!

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Pleasure doing business with you, sir. :D

[Dreran the Green]

Heeheehee...Just saw it today! Very cool! Better than the first!! I counted seven strange similarities between it and LotR. Mwahaha...LOVED Magneto. yay! Magneto! Was it just me or did someone shout "Sarumaun!" right after he said they should've killed him when they had the chance????
VERY GOOD MOVIE!!! :D

[Legoles]

If anyone has'nt seen this movie,




















































tough luck.

[markedel]

It was very good. I never saw the first ne, but it had a nice comic book feel to it.

[Ragnarok]

Overall it wasn't that bad. ( I never saw the first one) I had a few problems with it and some of the lines were a little cheesy. The plot wasn't that bad and the effects were great. But I felt a little dissappointed for an X-men movie but it was worth the time and money. :)

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Similar dilemma to the LOTR movies, eh? ;)

[Huan]

Ragnarok, that you could be disappointed by this one proves that you didn't see the first one :) . Me, there's not a single thing I would change.

[Elfhelm]

Things I would change:

1.) The costumes. OK, call me purist but I'm not into this matching leather thing.
2.) Rogue um doesn't fly?
3.) Cyclops is so much like Scott Summers... oh... that I'll keep, though I never liked him, ever!
4.) A little less wookie in Sabertooth, please (first movie).
5.) A little more Cairo in Storm's accent, please.
6.) Hey, how come Marie is suddenly not southern?

But I loved the movie and I'll see it again, at matinee price.

[Dreran the Green]

MWAHAHAHAHAHA......I would like to change it so that at one point or another Magneto shouts "You shall not pass!" to someone/thing:D :D :D

Yay.

[Huan]

Elfhelm: Personally, I think the lack of spandex costumes is genius. I love that they've followed suit in the comics. You couldn't get away with it with Spider-Man or Superman, but it uniquely works for the X-Men. They're a bunch of mutants: why dress like superheroes? I didn't notice much difference in Rogue's accent in the two movies. Most people have expressed the exact opposite opinion concerning Storm's accent. They hated her stilted pseudo-African accent in the first one, which is why she dropped it this time. Flight is in fact not one of Rogue's powers. Comic-book Rogue acquired the ability to fly, and her super strength, when she permanently stole the psyche of Carol Danvers aka Ms. Marvel. Who knows? In an upcoming movie Rogue might permanently steal the mind and powers of someone who can fly, just like the comic. That would be cool. By the way, as I said before, I quit reading X-Men in 1988, and having started back, I never see Rogue. Is she dead? What's happened to Rogue?

[Arathorn]

Originally posted by Dreran the Green
MWAHAHAHAHAHA......I would like to change it so that at one point or another Magneto shouts "You shall not pass!" to someone/thing:D :D :D

Yay.

Well he did say: "The War... has begun!". :D He just dropped the "...for Middle-Earth...".

[Bombadillo]

Magneto was awesome either way. I was really excited when he sucked the iron out of the guard's blood and then rocked with it.

But alas, the movies do have the same problem as LotR.

[Khamûl]

Originally posted by Huan
By the way, the Beast was in fact in the movie: when Mystique hits on the guard in the bar, the tv shows a talking-head discussion of the "mutant problem," and one of the talking heads is Dr. Hank McCoy.I was wondering if anyone else caught that. I looked at my girlfriend and said, "That's cool because he becomes Beast later." I want Gambit to make an appearance.

[Arathorn]

Originally posted by Khamûl
I was wondering if anyone else caught that. I looked at my girlfriend and said, "That's cool because he becomes Beast later." I want Gambit to make an appearance.

I think Gambit's name was on Strycker's computer when Mystique was checking it out. There are a lot of others in there but I don't quite remember.

[gimli7410]

I can't wait to see it on friday.

[Huan]

I just noticed Gambit's name on the list of mutants on Stryker's computer. That scene is gonna be great for the DVD, when I can freeze-frame on that list and the desktop on the other computer, where Mystique pulls up the schematics of Cerebro and Cerebro II. So far I've noticed Project Wideawake. I bet Sentinels are somewhere on that desktop. Really, someone tell me what's happened to Rogue in the comic book.

[Elfhelm]

Ah! Thanks for the reminder about the absorbtion of Ms. Marvel's powers and all that Kree warrior stuff. Obviously, since she is now following the TV altered universe plot instead of the original Rogue story, she's going to be a misunderstood teenager forever. I liked it better when she rebeled against authority by leavng Mystique and joining Prof X.

I haven't seen the new comics. I'm wasting my money on musical instruments instead lately. :)

I don't see any indication that she has left the X-men. They say she's been flirting with Gambit and they are on the Blue Team.

Anyway, and for what it is worth, I guess we'll never see that gorgeous X-Woman in skintight green and yellow spandex flying freely over billowing clouds in the movies. Tell me that wouldn't SELL! sigh...

p.s. They are showing her in red and blue now, and she was last featured in X-Treme X-Men #19, 12/2002

[Huan]

Ah, I guess I just don't ever happen to pick up the books Rogue happens to be in. But I only regularly read Grant Morrison's anyway. I don't bother with all that ultimate and x-treme stuff. I still think they might engineer in the movies so we see Rogue flying at some point.

[Elfhelm]

But I hear Grant Morrison is going to turn the entire series on its head and change personalities and everything. The "New" X-Men, coordinated with the movies, as if the old X-Men never happened. That's what I was told, anyway.

[Aralyn]

Originally posted by Elfhelm
Things I would change:

1.) The costumes. OK, call me purist but I'm not into this matching leather thing.

At least it's not Spandex


2.) Rogue um doesn't fly?


:confused: Um in the comic book she flies. Remember X-men versus fantastic four? She flies in that one.


I haven't gotten to see it yet and my 'rents might not let me.
Have no idea why. Something about how Mystique is nude.

EDIT: Just noticed someone posted about your comments. Sorry

[Firekitten2006]

Ok I havent gotten to see it, really busy lately, but I heard a rumor that Jean Grey dies. Is that true?

[gimli7410]

Originally posted by Firekitten2006
Ok I havent gotten to see it, really busy lately, but I heard a rumor that Jean Grey dies. is that true?

even though i have heard things about that make sure you guys put it as a spoiler because i havent seen it yet:p

[Firekitten2006]

:( hope its not true....lol never really have read the comics so i dont know if that happened in the comics or not.

[Elfhelm]

We did put it as a spoiler, then people kept talking about it so much that it ceased to be a spoiler, I guess.

To explain about Jean: hmmm... X-Men has been around for an incredibly long time. In fact, September will mark the 40th anniversary of X-Men #1.
http://www.geocities.com/mbrown123/greatest_comics/xmen1.html
During those 40 years, many plot twists have come along in which one or another of the team is thought dead. Also during that time, some of them, I won't say who, not only got married to each other and had children, they travelled to the future when their children were now physically older than them and then returned to altered timelines, etc. Fairly frequently the writers change. New writers do one of three things: they can just continue the tangled storylines they inherited, they can attempt to straighten it all into a simple linear plot, or they can cause a catastrophe and start over. When they went to make an X-Men cartoon a la Saturday morning, they wiped the slate clean and started over. From this clean slate, they began to rewrite some of the old plots. Now they have begun what is obviously a whole series of movies. They started, again, from a clean slate, and they are, again, rewriting old plots into a single linear theatrical timeline.

So if a character seems to vanish and is thought dead, rest assured they are going to return in some enhanced form.

If you want to know Jean's real story, visit any one of the thousand X-Men fan site and read her bio. Then you'll realise why she's limned with preternatural flames as she diverts the floodwaters so the rest of the team can escape.

[Huan]

Well put, Elfhelm! As for Morrison changing everything to fit the movies, I haven't heard anything about that, but I hope it's just one of those internet rumor-type things.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

I already can't wait for the third one...:D Although I've never read the comics (not much into comics :o ) I positively ADORE the whole Phoenix concept. The mingling of Fire and Life in the Phoenix has always been something I loved. :)

[Huan]

Hey, this is driving me nuts: where in the world do I know the actor who plays Pyro from???? Someone help me!

[Elfhelm]

imdb.com say he made several guest appearances on NBC's Third Watch as the character Sergei?

[Estel13]

WOLVERINE ROX!!! That's all I have to say. ;)

[Firekitten2006]

a hah. Ok i get it now. :) I watched the TV show in the 90s. Is it just me, or in that show didnt Wolverine have some sort of a girlfriend? Never read the comics...maybe i should. lol

[gimli7410]

hey i just saw it last nite and it was insane. i loev nightcrawlers part and when steelman or whatever hsi name is just blasts through the wall. Oh and lady deathstrike was wolverine girlfriend but he killed her in the movie

[Tahquamenon]

was wondering if it was as good as the first one ... they did a great job with the first movie :)

[IronParrot]

Just saw X2.

I have never read the comics, so I can't comment on matters of adaptation, but as a film?

Well, I had a lot of problems with the first film, and this one fixes all of them. I was very impressed with this film, and to me the franchise is now worth following, though it had such a shaky start.

Full review soon.

[gollum9630]

way better than the first. cant wait to see it again

[Varda Oiolosseo]

yay!
I have finally seen it!
It was brilliant! My grandma came with me and she kept jumping it was funny!

It was a brilliant film! About 9 years ago when i was 6/7 i used to read the comics and if you went to this resturant you could get a free X-men glass, i had loads it was so cool! :D

[The Ben]

This one was obviosly better then the last one. It makes the last one seem like a "meet the x-men" show.:D

[soadfan]

i liked it. i thought hugh jackmans part in the movie was great as well as nightcrawler.

[The Ben]

Originally posted by FoolofaTook
Great film. Loved the scene when the commandos infiltrated the school and Wolverine fights them. I also liked the foreshadowing of Pheonix.

You spoiled the plot. Oh well. I've already seen it.

[gimli7410]

then what was he point of you saying that:confused:

[Indril Anarion]

I LOVED it! It was soo awesome! I haven't read the comics, but I love the movie! Nightcrawler and Jean Grey are my favs. I also liked Pyro...That whole scene where he causes trouble in the cafeteria at the museum was great, as well as that fiasco at Bobby's (aka Ice Man's) house. Was a great movie overall!:D :D I want to see it a million times more!

[The Ben]

I like it because this saying:

Because the Istari are actually mutants from X-men and X2. See, one of them has laser vision like Cyclops, another one of them can transform like Mystique, another one can conjur up storms like Storm, one of them can read your mind like Professor X, a different one can suck the life out of you like Rouge, and of course Dreran the Green has magic knuckles like Wolvarine!

[gollum9630]

Originally posted by Indril Anarion
I LOVED it! It was soo awesome! I haven't read the comics, but I love the movie! Nightcrawler and Jean Grey are my favs. I also liked Pyro...That whole scene where he causes trouble in the cafeteria at the museum was great, as well as that fiasco at Bobby's (aka Ice Man's) house. Was a great movie overall!:D :D I want to see it a million times more!

i never read the comics either, but i loved the old cartoon that was on. To bad they cancelled it:(

[turtlelover]

that was a great movie Pyro is the best The fire thing is so cool!:D

[gimli7410]

Originally posted by turtlelover
that was a great movie Pyro is the best The fire thing is so cool!:D




i hope in the next one he can create fire and stand it so he has a suit of fire.

[Lalaith]

Ack. And I still haven't seen it. It is so frustrating.