If it was possible to cut someone out of the movie, who would it be?

[Eowyn, Lady of Rohan]

If it was possible to cut someone out of the movie, who would it be?

I choose Arwen, (sorry arwen lovers! It's true!;) )

[Dreran the Green]

There already are a lot of people that have been cut out, I miss Old man Willow. You don't know how much I was looking forward to that scene where Pippin and Merry get stuck in the tree, that was funny:)
If I had to pick someone else to get cut, it'd be either Arwen *mumbles apologies to her fans* or...well, no one. All the other people who could have been cut were.

[Elf Girl]

ARWEN! *silence in absence of apologies to fans*

[Elfhelm]

So, if there is no Arwen, why doesn't Aragorn marry Eowyn?

I'll cut that dispeptic elf, what-his-name the one who bites it at Helm's Deep that everyone is ticked about... Doesn't even LOOK like an elf. sheees!

[Elf Girl]

Originally posted by Elfhelm
So, if there is no Arwen, why doesn't Aragorn marry Eowyn?
Ah... Point taken. But still, I'd rather have no Arwen than that evil little over-egotistic scumful... *mutterings*

[Shadowfax]

Haldir. I didn't like him.

[Dreran the Green]

You better hope LOTR316 doesn't read this. She LOVES Haldir :D

[Coney]

Peter Jackson (and I'm not talkin' his cameo's)

[Wayfarer]

Peter Jackson

[Ruinel]

Tom Bombodil... oh, wait... he was already cut. :D

Second thought, whoever decided that Orc were to be birthed from mud... that confused the hell out of me when I saw it. {Scene: me at the movies, watching the birthing of Orcs; "huh? What's this all about? Whatthef**k!!!! That's not right! That's just not right!" Everyone else in the theatre: "shshshshshshsshshshshshshsshshshshsh!!!!!!!!!}

[Dreran the Green]

I always wondered about the mud...

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by Coney
Peter Jackson (and I'm not talkin' his cameo's)

LOL! :D

[Ragnarok]

I think the question should be the other way around what characters should have been in the film that were cut. Too many were cut in the first place and I really can't think of any characters that should have been cut. :mad: :(

[Anglorfin]

They should have cut the Elves from Helm's Deep :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[IronParrot]

No, Arwen shouldn't be cut. Although her role is minimal (in both the book and the film) it's essential to understanding Aragorn as a character. The film is a bit more overt about this than the book, but it's something common to both.

Who, then? Well, there were a number of characters who are hardly there as it is, and if I were an editor constrained by time, I wouldn't have a hard time cutting them - Celeborn, for instance, or Hama. But in all honesty, I like the scope of the cast the way it is. Maybe Rosie Cotton, but her role was expanded ever so slightly in FOTR:EE, and I'm sure her presence in FOTR means she'll return in ROTK in some capacity.

[Bombadillo]

Originally posted by Coney
Peter Jackson (and I'm not talkin' his cameo's) Very good idea.

But I think Celeborn. He doesn't ever do anything in LotR besides greet the fellowship in Lorien and then later he just leaves. His role is literally to say 'Hi' and Bye.'

[durin's bane]

Arwen. She sucks. *crickets chirp because there is lack of apologies to Arwen fans)

[gimli7410]

frodo. i hated that guy.:p actually arwen and celeborn they were both pretty pointless

[Elvengirl]

Um yeah and then who takes the Ring? :p
I'm sorry but I'd have to say Arwen

[Falagar]

Lurtz. Or Haldir. Or both.

[cassiopeia]

I don't think you could cut out Rosie Cotton. Tolkien liked to tie up lose ends, so we really need Sam to marry so his children can pass the Red Book down. I think there will be something about the Red Book in ROTK, so Rosie is needed.
Arwen needs to be in so Aragorn can marry her and thus Gondor will have a king for many years to come. Every hates Arwen because she turned 'Xena' in the FOTR. If the film's writers changed her role I'm sure we would like her much more. :)
Definitely Lurtz could be cut out, and perhaps Hama as well. What about Legolas? The only thing he suceeds in doing is bringing crazed fan girls to movie forums...:D

[Lalaith]

Arwen should be replaced with Glorfindel.
Haldir in TTT.

[Elvengirl]

Originally posted by cassiopeia
I don't think you could cut out Rosie Cotton. Tolkien liked to tie up lose ends, so we really need Sam to marry so his children can pass the Red Book down. I think there will be something about the Red Book in ROTK, so Rosie is needed.
Arwen needs to be in so Aragorn can marry her and thus Gondor will have a king for many years to come. Every hates Arwen because she turned 'Xena' in the FOTR. If the film's writers changed her role I'm sure we would like her much more. :)
Definitely Lurtz could be cut out, and perhaps Hama as well. What about Legolas? The only thing he suceeds in doing is bringing crazed fan girls to movie forums...:D
And Viggo doesn't bring fan girls? ahem*looks at Cassiopia's title Viggoholic* ;) :D

Yes, Rosie is needed and as she doesn't play a huge part, I thought she was acceptable.

And I don't think Arwen should be removed from the story completely, but yes, PJ's interpretation of her character should.

Lurtz didn't contribute anything to the movie except a pretty cool action-filled fight scene w/ Aragorn. He could be cut out.

[Fat middle]

Originally posted by Eowyn, Lady of Rohan
If it was possible to cut someone out of the movie, who would it be?
not Haldir, ALL elves at Helms Deep should be cut out.

[Artanis]

Originally posted by Fat middle
not Haldir, ALL elves at Helms Deep should be cut out. But Helms Deep would have been invaded without them. You would have to place Eomer and his men there instead.

I would have cut out movie-Faramir and put in book-Faramir. But I'm afraid that would work only for those who have read the book.

[Elf Girl]

Originally posted by Artanis
But Helms Deep would have been invaded without them. You would have to place Eomer and his men there instead.
Yeah. Like in the book.

[durin's bane]

Originally posted by gimli7410
frodo. i hated that guy.:p

Lol. They don't really need to cut him out, they just need to make him grow-up. :p Or make him like the book Frodo (that Frodo rules!)

[Indril Anarion]

Originally posted by cassiopeia
What about Legolas? The only thing he suceeds in doing is bringing crazed fan girls to movie forums...:D

Sooo not true...it was Legolas who saw the Warg spies coming in TTT and killed the cave troll in FOTR...he plays an important role...but, I have to say that I like Legolas in the book better...:)

[Balrog_of_Morgoth]

If we are talking about literally cutting a character from the movie it would have to be Arwen. Even if you didn't add Glorfindel (which they should have) you could conceivably get away with it without hurting the story much. All the sappy Arwen/Aragorn stuff could be replaced with more character development and some good dialogue.

[Bombadillo]

On second thought, I wouldn't want to cut Celeborn out of the movie. True, he did nothing, but his absence would sure upset readers. At least me anyway.

So to answer the question differently, I'd cut the elves out of Helm's Deep and remove Elrond from the beginning sequence of Sauron's death.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Evidently, Glorfindel, Tom Bombadil, Old Man Willow, Halbarad, Gloin, Elladan, Elrohir...:(

[Balrog_of_Morgoth]

I know where you are coming from as far as removing Elrond from the Last Alliance scenes, but I think having him there is important to add weight and importance to his character later on in the movie, especially for non-tolkienites.

[Elvengirl]

Whoa, wait a minute are you saying Elrond was not in the Last Alliance? in the book? I gotta check this out...................

[cassiopeia]

Elrond was at the Last Alliance. We are discussing who could be cut from the movies, if we really, really, really had to.

[Anglorfin]

Sad to say it, but Gil-Galad. Even though he was only in the Prologue they didn't need to show him. Even as it is, I think if they were to put him at all in the first place they should have made him a more important figure in the Prologue than just seeing his face once.

[Elvengirl]

Originally posted by cassiopeia
Elrond was at the Last Alliance. We are discussing who could be cut from the movies, if we really, really, really had to.
OK, phew :o :D

[Gwaimir Windgem]

I'm with Coney and Wayfarer on who SHOULD be cut, despite who was...:(

[Fingolfinrox]

I would have cut out movie-Faramir and put in book-Faramir. But I'm afraid that would work only for those who have read the book.

Yeah I agree with you Artanis. But supposing I could only just cut a character, it would be.... I don't know. I suppose they're all better then nothing. *Grovels before Haldir haters*

[Iboen]

Eowyn. (no offence to the creator of this forum!) but i just think she's dead weedy. (plus th fact she fancied Aragorn)

[Elvellyn]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Arwen should be replaced with Glorfindel.


You want Glofindel to marry Aragorn?:eek:

[Gwaimir Windgem]

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Elf Girl will not be pleased...:eek:

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by Iboen
Eowyn. (no offence to the creator of this forum!) but i just think she's dead weedy. (plus th fact she fancied Aragorn)
I'm just wondering... but, did you read the books?

My choice to cut from the film... PJ... I don't like the changs he's made from JRRT's vision. That and there's that horrific rumor going around about the ending.... *shudders*.... excuse me... I need to go throw up now.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

-comforts Ru-

Here's a barf bag. :(

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
-comforts Ru-

Here's a barf bag. :(
*Takes barf bag... heaves undigested lunch into barf bag... hands it back to Gwai... *

thanks, buddy :D

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Erm...keep it. ;)

[Bombadillo]

Save it to chuck at the movie screen once RotK comes out in theatres.

[Ruinel]

Great idea!!! *sticks bag in ziplock bag, then another ziplock bag, then puts it in the freezer labeled: bring to RotK in Dec*

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by Ruinel
Great idea!!! *sticks bag in ziplock bag, then another ziplock bag, then puts it in the freezer labeled: bring to FotR in Dec*

Wouldn't that be RotK...;)

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Wouldn't that be RotK...;)
GAH! I'm tired! Yes, you are correct. I'll edit my post. :D

[Eowyn, Lady of Rohan]

Originally posted by Iboen
Eowyn. (no offence to the creator of this forum!) but i just think she's dead weedy. (plus th fact she fancied Aragorn)

No offense taken. If they'd taken out all the kissing, and added in Glorfindle in Arwens place, it would've been ok. But PJ's interpretation of her just sucked. She was likable until PJ ruined her character. :mad:

[Silpion]

I would cut out Lurtz in FOTR. At first, I was going to say Celeborn should be cut but I would be disappointed if I had seen the Fellowship enter Caras Galadhon only to be met by Galadriel. Even though movie Celeborn spoke very s-l-o-w-l-y, I was glad to see him by Galadriel's side.

[aki]

absolutely, eowyn!

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by Elvellyn
You want Glofindel to marry Aragorn?:eek:
Of course not.
But Arwen also does not marry Aragorn in FotR.
I don't want Arwen in FotR.
She may have her small part in RotK, though.

[aki]

but i don't like eowyn's part in the two towers.

[brownjenkins]

i don't know if i would cut galadriel... but definitely recast

[ethuiliel]

I don't want Arwen in FotR.
She may have her small part in RotK, though.
That sounds perfect.

But if I had to completely get rid of a character, it would be Lurtz. *sudders*

[Mrs Maggot]

i don't know if i would cut galadriel... but definitely recast

Why? what's wrong with Cate Blanchett?

And I would definitely cut the pink sponge-head orc!

[ryttu3k]

Cate Blanchett was a fantastic Galadrial o.o

But I'd cut Lurtz, definately.

[AL.D]

I agree with Mrs Maggot.
Cut Pink Sponge Head Orc...or at least re-cast him.
(Maybe just re-cast his head!):)

Am I the only one who actually liked Liv's action-elf Arwen in FotR? I thought she was great. Much better than the drippy, snivelling, wistful thing she turned into in the other two films.

[Lalaith_Elf]

Definatly bring back Glorfindel. And cut Mr. Potato Head (the orc commander in RotK), I just can't take it seriously with him there.

And I don't like what they did to the end. BRING BACK SARUMAN AND THE SCOURING OF THE SHIRE!!!!!!!!!

[Aewionen]

Originally posted by Lalaith_Elf

And I don't like what they did to the end. BRING BACK SARUMAN AND THE SCOURING OF THE SHIRE!!!!!!!!!

YES!!!!!! I was so mad when I saw that Saruman wasn't there!

Cut Eowyn? Why? Without her, Legolas would most likely kill the Witch King. (heaven forbid!) But then again he is a man...at least Arwen didn't do it! And who would marry Faramir? Would Grima be going after Arwen or......:eek: Eomer:eek: Merry also wouldn't meet up with Pippin. Iboen, Arwen fancied Aragorn too.....

I would probably say......the that random elf guy.....(you can't cut anymore out!please! except maybe Arwen in FotR)

[Aragorn_iz_cool]

The dead. If done right, the movie didn't need to show them, just show the Gray Company (who should have been their :( ) and somehow show that invisible people are walking behind them. Then have those guys from Lebbinin (bad spelling, I know) come to the Pelinor like in the book. Having the dead kill everyone easily was so anti-climactic.

[Lalaith_Elf]

I think that they needed to include the dead, but I agree that they did it wrong. The Grey Company should have been with them, but I can understand why they cut them. It would have been to much hassle to introduce new characters, and maybe too confusing to those who have never touched the books. Also they should have changed the colour of the dead. I forgot where I read it, but I'm sure they shouldn't be bright green!! And it did seem somewhat anti-climatic. Again they probably did it to keep the right pace of the movie, but in my mind the Dead didn't just sweep over Sauron's Army killing them instantly (or what seemed like instanly).

[ethuiliel]

And I would definitely cut the pink sponge-head orc! How could I forget him? :confused: If I had to choose between cutting that orc and cutting Lurtz, I would definetly cut him.

[Mrs Maggot]

Well i suppose you could use his head to wipe the floor with…

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

sorry,
i don't think anyone should have been cut,
they were all characters which helped the plot along in some way, and people like tom bombadil, Radagast the Brown, Glorfindel and Gildor, to name but a few, are sorely missed
:D

[Nurvingiel]

Sadly, even Arwen shouldn't be cut. :D But we could do away with Lurtz or another made-up character as ethuiliel suggested. :)

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

i am speaking only of those characters that appear in the books...

chrys

[Nurvingiel]

Oh, sorry Chrys. In that case, I vote for Gothmog (aka sponge head orc). However much I dislike Arwen's portayal in the movie, her presence is important (but not at that certain infamous scene that will not be named. :D)

[b.banner]

Originally posted by gimli7410
frodo. i hated that guy.:p actually arwen and celeborn they were both pretty pointless that would be stupid because he is the one who destroys the ring! i would have to say arwen

[b.banner]

i cant forget denethor:D

[Willow Oran]

Do you realize just how many characters were cut from the story in making the movies? There are enough cut characters to create a sizable army, and since most of the characters who were cut are among the more elite characters from Middle Earth it would be a really effective army too. I think they should have left characters in the scenes they were supposed to be in, and not added un-nessecary characters where they weren't needed. But really, if they cut any other character who was originally in the story it would leave some definite gaps in the plot line.

[Twista]

Not someone, a group. The whole Warg scene in TTT. Annoyed me greatly.

[Telcontar]

NOBODY!!!

They already cut out enough characters as it already was.

[Lalaith_Elf]

I know this is a little off-topic... but the other day I was looking for a potato to make chips and the one I pulled out of the bag looked exactly like the sponge headed orc.... I sat for about 10 minutes with my pirate DVD on pause comparing the two... again he should have definatly been cut out!

[Mrs Maggot]

I wonder if he's related to Mr potato Head from toy Story…

[Nazgul King Squirrel]

Originally posted by Telcontar
NOBODY!!!

They already cut out enough characters as it already was.


Well then, cut PJ:D

[Lalaith_Elf]

Originally posted by Mrs Maggot
I wonder if he's related to Mr potato Head from toy Story…

I think that it's quite possibe that he is....

Well then, cut PJ

Good idea.;)

[b.banner]

it wouldnt be good to cut out anybody actually .accept the made up characters like lurtz spongehead orc and the other ones.

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

'Spongehead Orc'

AKA Gothmog, the lieutenant of Minas Morgul
isn't actualy a made up character
he is in the books, although hes mentioned only once, as rallying troops after the fall of the witch king, BUT he isnt referred to as an orc in the books, tolkien doesn't specify what race he is, although most people believe he was a Black Numenorean, like the Mouth of Sauron (who i was extremely disappointed not to see in the film:( )

[b.banner]

thats weird because i just finished the books recently! and i didnt read about him?

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

Originally posted by b.banner
thats weird because i just finished the books recently! and i didnt read about him?

i now quote from the book:
(ROTK [book 5], Chapter VI 'The Battle of The Pelennor Fields'

"... they had been mustering for the sack of the City and the rape of Gondor, waiting on the call of their Captain. He now was destroyed; but Gothmog the Lieutenant of Morgul had flung them into the fray; ..."

go to www.glyphweb.com/arda (the Encyclopaedia of Arda)
and look up gothmog for more information.

[Beor]

I dont know if this is the right place to post this, but I just watched the FOTR again yesterday, and I really cant stand the part when the movie is leading in, and they have Galadriel (the lovely Cate Blanchett) say:
The world has changed; I can feel it in the water.

This really irks me, because everyone in the whole damn Middle-earth knows that the place was changed. Did the whole sinking of great Numenor (Sp?) escape her, to where she all of a sudden realises that there is a whole island missing? And did it also escape her that all the land west of the Ered Wetherin (Blue Mts, I think, need to check the map again, I'd imagine) sunk into the ocean when the Valar came and destroyed Melkor or whatever?

I know its a little thing, but it really gets to me. Sorry. This should probably be in the vent thread.

Oh, and i think they should get rid of the jackass who decided to kill that one dude in that one scene that didnt even exist in the book. I cant remember his name for the life of Hamas! that was it. Get rid of the guy who had him killed right there.

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

yes, in the book, hama doesnt die until the orcs attack the hornburg there was no need for him to be killed off in that awful warg scene

[Mrs Maggot]

The world has changed; I can feel it in the water.

My problem with this line si more that it was actually said by treebeard in the books. Why give it to Galadriel? Why not have Treebeard say it? :confused:

[Beor]

Oh, someone really says this? Well, talk about being a jackass. Good point with having Galadriel say it though, and I'll tell you why they gave it to G rather than Treebeard, its because they dont want you to take the trees too seriously, they are no better than dwarves in PJ's eyes. :mad:

by the way, I am happy:D but not about this:mad:

[Lotesse]

Falagar, you say Haldir? No! I loved Haldir! Now Celeborn, on the other hand, could probably have taken a cut - far too vacuous of a character portrayal, taking up precious screen time with his monotone dialogue. So silly. And someone mentioned the elves at Helm's Deep - I agree, although it WAS cheaply gratifying to see them come in at the last minute to help out; such a Hollywood moment :rolleyes: .

I liked PJ's little cameos. He IS the director, after all; he gave us Lord of the Rings in film when every studio had previously never even considered such a project. I, for one, appreciate this fact enormously even though I take issue with a great many un-called-for liberties he took with Tolkien's story and characters. Still and all, his vision provided all of us with enjoyable, entertaining and beautifully filmed movies about Lord of the Rings.

Other than that, I can't think of any other actors that should have been cut. Au contraire, I think many MORE actors should have been cast, and portraying characters we should have seen, like Glorfindel, and Tom Bombadil, and Erkenbrand, and a host of others...

[tolkienfan]

I think that if Celeborn had been cut I would be upset about it. If you didn't like the way he spoke then you could recast him or something. He doesn't add too much to the story but I think it was nice to have him there.

[ItalianLegolas]

Some of the hobbits. To many hobbits. It was like an invasion of hobbitses. ;)

No, I would say... Gothmog

like the Mouth of Sauron (who i was extremely disappointed not to see in the film )

Well if your that desperate to see him, Chrys, hes in the RotK game. ;)

[Lotesse]

Mouth is in the Extended edition, too, you guys.

*grits teeth* baby steps to 90 seconds, baby steps to 90 seconds...

[ItalianLegolas]

Mouth is in the Extended edition, too, you guys.

Oh yeahhhhh, I forgot about that.

[TomthePilgrim]

Yeah, Mouth was definitely something I would not have missed. (besides, it would have allowed for more 'House of Healing' scenes') :)

When we discuss something like this, we have to keep in mind that the Movie trilogy is no more than a retelling of the Book trilogy. Each generation changes the old stories; Tolkien re-wrote to old stories that he had found to fit his times, and Jackson has done the same.
The elves arriving to support Rohan at Helm's Deep was not in the book, but most of the fans I know approved of the change. The conversation with Saruman in the beginning of ROTK is another addition I like, if only to give Christopher Lee another chance to shine as Saruman.
I'd have loved seeing a well-portrayed Tom Bombadil. I'd have loved to see more of Buckland and the conversation with Farmer Maggot. However, when all is said and done, the Jackson movies are an outstanding representation of Tolkien's world, one unlikely to be outshown for many years (decades?) to come.

That being said, I could have done with a lot less Arwen. (and a lot more Eowyn) ;)

[Curubethion]

Well if your that desperate to see him, Chrys, hes in the RotK game. ;)
He's also in the ROTK EE.

[Holbytla]

Wisely said, TomthePilgrim (I happen to agree :p). Except that MoS should absolutely be there, but not in that manner. He made an almost comic appearance, not what you would expect in that stage of the film, aarrgh! Not the sinister, dark, menacing, arrogant, impressive figure I pictured. And his horse was all too small..

Come to think of it, I don't think any characters should be cut, but too many where too much altered, for my taste. Didn't like the interpretation of the Breelanders, the Army of the Dead, Faramir (almost forgiven in TTT EE and Rotk..), the wargs, Arwen should be in, but not Sissy - Arwen. She is a wise Lady who is essential to the plot, and I'm sure I could add more, but why be so negative? I would also love to see Farmer Maggot (one of my fave chapters that!), and TB. But, as they're not important for the plot so to speak.. It's important to keep in mind that book and film are two different mediums and that the films are mere interpretations. Filmwise I loved the Elves at Helm's Deep (the music score added much to the impressive arrival). I believe PJ succeded in many ways, but it wouldn't have hurt him to trust Tolkien's own words and dialogues more.

I'm not sure if Tolkien actually rewrote myths and stories to fit his own times? I mean, old - fashioned heroic romances? And I suppose he rreinvented rather than rewrote, though heavily inspired. Somehow it was spot on :) .

Holbytla