the **** word usage.

[congressmn]

I was writing a chapter on how God is ****ing humanity. I mean He is literally ****in us.

To bring out the seriousness and to create the right effect in the reader's mind I just can't do without the word "*****.


any advise here on how to avoid the word, and to open up a space for euphemisms?

[Lief Erikson]

It usually is possible to avoid using swear words, but you should rate your story if you see a need for one and have it in there. Like Starr Polish did, saying there's slightly dark content and mild swearing. It's true that putting "*" through the swear words does rather mess them up in a story. To avoid that problem, it's good to have notices in the beginning of your story to warn your readers of possibly less acceptible content. I'd probably say the same rule should apply to things that are not swearing, but are still nasty. Like intense violence, dark content, or sex.

However, I'd prefer it if you didn't post any stories that had any of those problems in more than a mild dosage. It really would just be polite for you not to. Also please don't post anything that others would find offensive to their religious beliefs or anything like that.

So just try to be as broadly acceptible and enjoyable as possible in the story, and if you have things that are necessary but go against those rules, please make a notice in the beginning of your story.

[congressmn]

O thank you much.

but the other reason I use the word, is because in the story i tackle with all the contexts in which THE WORD may find an appropriate place or meaning.

The WOrd is just too versatile, can be used in thousands of situations.

One more question:\

Wouldn't it be different to have so much swearing? would it not be something unique?

The sheer amount, and the many facets in which the word maybe handled in this chapter of the story should really shock the reader a little bit, dont u think?

[Lief Erikson]

I'd imagine it probably would shock some readers. If your story has no option but to involve very large amounts of swearing, I'm afraid I'd have to advise you not to post that one here.

I really just don't like the idea of material beyond the PG-13 rating being posted here.

[IronParrot]

My stance on this, from an administrative perspective, is that we should definitely be sticking to the PG-13-ishness of the board.

I realize that this restricts some stories going a bit beyond that, especially with the use of language, from being posted. However, that should not preclude you from sharing those excerpts privately or off-site, or discussing them otherwise in a way that does not involve posting offending segments.

The primary concern here is that a lot of kids do read this board, so Entmoot has to be kept fairly clean.

[Coney]

The easiest way to get around the liberal use of the F-word is to copy what many comic books did in the 70's......Invent new swear words! ............ That way these new words, used in the correct context, still emphasise the meaning without causing any major faux pas.

(best example I can recall is the "swearing" done by Judge Dredd in the old 2000AD comics).

[Celebréiel]

If your really going for something to be serious and not just shock value, dont use the swears at all. You could draw much larger and varied readers with better words than slang swear words. Unless it totally fits, like a character talking or something.
:rolleyes: I swear alot though so...*shrugs*

[Lief Erikson]

Originally posted by Coney
The easiest way to get around the liberal use of the F-word is to copy what many comic books did in the 70's......Invent new swear words! ............ That way these new words, used in the correct context, still emphasise the meaning without causing any major faux pas.

(best example I can recall is the "swearing" done by Judge Dredd in the old 2000AD comics).
Like in The Wheel of Time :D. I know that some of the swear words used there were real swear words, but definitely not all of them. But those swear words don't really sound that great or fluid in a story. That's actually nearly the same as astrics.

However, unreal swear words will definitely be acceptable in this forum :D. They're definitely not over PG-13 :).

[Lief Erikson]

Originally posted by Celebréiel
If your really going for something to be serious and not just shock value, dont use the swears at all. You could draw much larger and varied readers with better words than slang swear words. Unless it totally fits, like a character talking or something.
I definitely agree with that. It generally is possible to avoid swear words, unless your character is in a real fit of passion or it is in character and is just the way they speak. Even in those cases, it is possible to get rid of them. It's simply inconvenient to, and in some of those cases I'd think it's better to leave them and put a warning on the story.

[IronParrot]

I have very, very, VERY rarely seen swear words used effectively in a way that enhances the writing.

The major exception I can think of was a short story that won my campus newspaper's literary contest this year, and its contents are inappropriate for this board anyway.

[elvendrummer87]

i think swearing takes away from the creativity of the story. it's one thing if your character is swearing in a different language (like in the Rhapsody trilogy or the Tiger and Del books) because it's expanding upon the culture of that world. if it's not a fantasy story, i'd say leave it out. your smart enough to think of better words than those.

[IronParrot]

But if you're doing a fantasy story in a "medieval" setting, as many fantasy stories tend to be, you have to remember that the characters are naturally in a conservative cultural environment, so they wouldn't really be talking dirty anyway, especially if they are members of high society or royalty. If you have peasantry or low-class characters like Tolkien's portrayal of Orcs, go ahead and make the language harsh: but otherwise, definitely avoid it. The "swearing in a different language" thing should not be used recklessly.

[congressmn]

o thank you , u guys. but Ip it aint in a medievel setting at all.
it's in a setting where the likes of Baby-K thrive...

[Coney]

Originally posted by congressmn
o thank you , u guys. but Ip it aint in a medievel setting at all.
it's in a setting where the likes of Baby-K thrive...

o_O ......... I take it you mean South Africa?

[BeardofPants]

Er.. winged be-thonged hussies? ;)

[Coney]

Originally posted by BeardofPants
Er.. winged be-thonged hussies? ;)

I'll have you know the wings are purely onamental:mad:

(as for your other two points.............well, we live in hope;) )

Ok, K.....yer can stop scowling at me now;)

[IronParrot]

o thank you , u guys. but Ip it aint in a medievel setting at all.
I know, I was referring to the comments about how if it's in another world, you can make up your own swears...

[congressmn]

o I have ****ed the idea about using swear words. I am ok with normal vocabulary which cleverly does the job in its place.

[Estel13]

Ok, well, I actually agree with Coney on this one.:eek: For instance, in the books I'm reading right now, the most common swear is "vulk" or "vulking". Satisfying to say, but not above PG-13. :)

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Never mind.

[Entlover]

Originally posted by congressmn
[B]but the other reason I use the word, is because in the story i tackle with all the contexts in which THE WORD may find an appropriate place or meaning.
The WOrd is just too versatile, can be used in thousands of situations.

Wouldn't it be different to have so much swearing? would it not be something unique?
]

Uh, I mean this in the kindest possible way -- what planet have you been living on?
Where I come from, lots of people use the f word constantly -- as in every other sentence. They are not people I enjoy hanging out with, but they abound. An awful lot of literature uses swearing frequently too.

The fact that the word is so versatile means it has little real meaning -- like "great", it's lost it's specific meaning.

When somebody's pit bulls attacked my dog, all I could think of to do was scream "F-- you!" at him. It's the lowest I've ever sunk. How much more effective it would have been to yell "Control your dogs or I'll sue you for every cent you'll ever make!"

Gotta be more inventive. Eshew vulgarity.

[Entlover]

I can't help but add: you may feel that God is not addressing our problems the way you'd like him to, but consider that humanity may just have some responsibility too.

People are responsible for 85% of the misery in the world, nature for the rest. God is not forcing us to indulge in murder, violence, war, greed etc. In fact Christians believe he intervened to point us to a more desirable course of action.
End comment.

And I said it all without swearing.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

I take it that you are a Christian, Entlover? :)

[Entlover]

Yes I am.
Didn't I send you an email or a PM about that?

[Gwaimir Windgem]

I don't think so...:confused: Maybe you did, and I missed it.

[Entlover]

Okay, I pmd you again.
You post in a lot of places!

[congressmn]

u dont have to be mean or mad everytime you use that word. it can be used in the nicest of ways.

anyhow, let us but not argur on this. i have shunned the idea of writing that piece ne way.

[Entlover]

Cool. But we're not arguing, we're discussing.
In the nicest of ways.

[congressmn]

ok continue in your nice ways then...