What is up w/ Gandalf and Legolas!?

[TopazJedi]

Hey, i was just watching TTT for the umpteenth time when i noticed something freaky. as Legolas and Gandalf walk into Meduseld, they have thier arms linked!! Like what is up with that? :eek: eek!

[Dunadan]

Shhh!

(we know about Sir Ian, but I think there might be some fangirl suicides if Orlando comes out..)

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Precisely what I was thinking. ;)

[TopazJedi]

Fangirl suicides! hahaha! i wasn't suggesting that anything was going on between the actors though. i just wanted other peoples thoughts on what they think was going on in that scene.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

We know, we're just kidding. ;)

[olsonm]

Originally posted by TopazJedi
i just wanted other peoples thoughts on what they think was going on in that scene. Gandalf is just pretending to need help walking.

[Dunadan]

* smutty remark about leaning on his staff deleted *

[Gwaimir Windgem]

:eek:

[Ninquelote]

Ah, Gandalf is just too clever for everyone. :D
In the book both Gandalf and Legolas seem asexual, though. Stupid movie!

There is slash fanfiction about the actors, you know...

[Gwaimir Windgem]

About those two specifically, or actors overall?

Yes, someone told me about RPS. :eek:

[Ninquelote]

Do you mean my fanfiction comment? Actors overall.

Eigansgnsagszfsdingzd;ingf!!!! Gross. Why can't people mind their own business?

[Elf Girl]

I think Legolas was more glad than Gimli and Aragorn that Mithrandir came back, because he knew Olorin's true nature, and what it would mean for Gandalf to die.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Actually, I believe very few knew his true nature. I think it was pretty well limited to the Wise, one of whom a Wood-elf wannabe is certainly not.

[Artanis]

Aragorn guessed Gandalf's true nature, after he had become Gandalf the White.

Legolas might have known who Gandalf really was also. He was a after all a Sinda.

[TopazJedi]

Gandalf is just pretending to need help walking.

Well, that makes sense, that Gandalf was trying to seem old and decrepit to deceive people. But i already thought of that, and it doesn't work because as Gandalf and Legolas walk up to that big round thing in the floor (what was that?) they separate and go around it on either side, Gandalf going to the right and legolas to the left and they never link up again. and when they had thier arms linked, Gandalf wasn't leaning on his staff, even though it would have been a perfect opportunity the show his dependance on the staff. :confused:

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by Artanis
Aragorn guessed Gandalf's true nature, after he had become Gandalf the White.

Legolas might have known who Gandalf really was also. He was a after all a Sinda.

A Sinda who adopted the culture of the Wood-elves.

[Artanis]

It is true that Thranduil and his people took up the culture of the Silvan Elves, but they did not altogether forget their Sindarin lore. Legolas knew what the Balrog was. In Moria he saw that Gandalf was able to fight it, he saw that they were equal in power. If he hadn't known the nature of Gandalf before, it's more than likely he guessed then.

[Dunadan]

In the LOTR books, the Ainur are barely mentioned. When they are, they're referred to as "Powers". So I'm not sure that the Sindar would know what they were (having forsaken the journey to Aman early doors). They are still Moriquendi, after all, and certainly wouldn't have read the Silmarillion! Most of the Noldor had departed long before Legolas was born.

I think it's misleading to read too much of the simple Maiar/Valar typology into the context of LOTR. One of the whole things about them is that their respective powers are tied to their essential natures. The LOTR characters who encountered them would see their unique nature, not their "class" or "type".

So, someone like Gandalf would be seen as someone who has unique powers, not as someone who's "equal to, or of the same kind as a balrog, or Sauron for that matter.

cheers

d.

[will_you_remember_me]

Uggh you guys. They are in character. Though in the book nothing really goes on between Gandalf and Legolas...I don't think. Lemme refresh my memory and get back to ya'll on that. If there were any pairings to be made then it would Aragorn and Gandalf, though I don't really think LoTR is slash.

[Artanis]

Originally posted by Dunadan
In the LOTR books, the Ainur are barely mentioned. When they are, they're referred to as "Powers". So I'm not sure that the Sindar would know what they were (having forsaken the journey to Aman early doors). They are still Moriquendi, after all, and certainly wouldn't have read the Silmarillion! Most of the Noldor had departed long before Legolas was born. Wasn't Oropher one of Thingol's people? I would think he knew about the Ainur, and passed his knowledge on to his son and grandson. I think it's misleading to read too much of the simple Maiar/Valar typology into the context of LOTR. One of the whole things about them is that their respective powers are tied to their essential natures. The LOTR characters who encountered them would see their unique nature, not their "class" or "type".I agree that most of the characters in LoTR would not recognise Gandalf's 'class', if they didn't already know. Yet I think Aragorn did. And I don't see why Legolas should not have recognised it, presuming he had the knowledge mentioned above.

And this discussion is off topic, and should have been in the books forum ... :D

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by will_you_remember_me
I don't really think LoTR is slash.

Very good! You get a hundred percent! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[will_you_remember_me]

../..*(*../..

[Rána Eressëa]

Is everying about sexuality these days or what? :rolleyes:

I mean, really, who cares? Besides obsessed Orlando fans?

[TopazJedi]

Is everying about sexuality these days or what?

Actually, if you'll read my previous post, i was trying to get other people's logical opinions on why that happened, because i hoped there was some other reason, and I couldn't think of anything else. i especially was hoping this, because i didn't want to think of that kind of thing every time i watch that scene. and now that i think about it, what Olsomn said does make sense. if you think about it, Gandalf wasn't trying to fool Wormtongue or Theoden, he was trying to make Hama think that he was decrepit and needed help. so after passing Hama, he didn't have to pretend anymore.

P.S. could the people who are debating about the stuff in the books please not post here, because the stuff you are talking about doesn't have a lot to do with the subject of this thread, and if you keep on posting, im afraid that the administrators will lock the thread. thanks :cool:

[Elf Girl]

I think Legolas and Gandalf had linked arms because they were friends, and glad to see one another. Just friends.

[LuthienTinuviel]

:rolleyes:

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by Elf Girl
I think Legolas and Gandalf had linked arms because they were friends, and glad to see one another. Just friends.


Hehehehe! :D

[Ninquelote]

Go friendship!

[gandalfstormcrow]

Gandalf was pretending to be a decrepit old man and that he need his staff for walking support. If he hadn't put on this clever show, Hama probably wouldn't have let him in otherwise. Nobody would suspect a poor, old man.

[Elessar the Elfstone]

Hey A few minutes before gandalf says to hama he is old and needs his staff but when he enters meduseld instead of leaning on his staff he's linking arms with legolas:D so wouldn't hama guess something and request him to leave if he dosn't leave his staff outside.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

That's just what I was thinking. The reason Gandalf did that was to keep his staff. Why not lean on his staff then?

[Bombadillo]

I didn't notice that and don't really want to explain it. But there was another scene in Rivendel that I noticed (and I'll look for a picture), where Gandalf bends down not facing the camera, and Legolas is staring at his ass with one eyebrow raised.

[TopazJedi]

Hahaha! :) LOL! Could you be more specific on where that was (eg. lines said before or after, or name of scene). You know what? I just thought of something. What if the actors did those two things on purpose, to see if crazed fans like me would notice. Maybe they will reveal in the commentary of ROTK that the whole thing was put on to scare the legolas fans. ;)

[Elfhelm]

"Would you deprive an old man of his prop?"

In the book I think it is Aragorn who assists the "helpless, old" Gandalf hobble in as the pretext for letting him keep his staff.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Tho' why would someone help him? Why not just lean on his staff, as the purpose was so that he could keep it to lean on? :confused:

[Elfhelm]

I'm going to guess that both Tolkien and PJ felt it necessary for Gandalf to enact a false feebleness because we are too thick in the head to get it otherwise?

[straight_face]

Why did someone make this pointless post? *Gasp! Just because Gandalf and Legolas are linked arm in arm for a few seconds, they're obviously into sexual activity or *gasp* they might even be gay!*



You people make me sick.

[Elfhelm]

Originally posted by straight_face
Why did someone make this pointless post? *Gasp! Just because Gandalf and Legolas are linked arm in arm for a few seconds, they're obviously into sexual activity or *gasp* they might even be gay!*



You people make me sick.

Yeah! Now if they did that scene from Gods and Monsters, THEN there might be a discussion. What about the scene where two guys are ... like ... hugging! omigosh! Imagine if they actually kissed like in the BOOKS! oh my!

[Elf.Freak]

Originally posted by TopazJedi
Hey, i was just watching TTT for the umpteenth time when i noticed something freaky. as Legolas and Gandalf walk into Meduseld, they have thier arms linked!! Like what is up with that? :eek: eek!

they're not gay! if you noticed, that guy says 'I need to take your weapons, as commanded' or something like that, and he wants to take Galdalf's staff off him. Gandalf says 'you wouldn't rob an OLD man of his walking stick, would you?' and is allowed in. Legolas is just 'helping' him walk because he is old!

i bet this has been posted...if not...duh! it comes to everyone now, doesn't it??? plus...L/G just ISN'T right!

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by straight_face
Why did someone make this pointless post? *Gasp! Just because Gandalf and Legolas are linked arm in arm for a few seconds, they're obviously into sexual activity or *gasp* they might even be gay!*



You people make me sick.

You didn't really think we were serious, did you? :confused:

[straight_face]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
You didn't really think we were serious, did you? :confused:

Explain to me what the central point of the original post was then.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

i wasn't suggesting that anything was going on between the actors though. i just wanted other peoples thoughts on what they think was going on in that scene.

As was posted by the same person who made the original post.

[Elfhelm]

As for anything going on between the actors - one of them might have the occasional impossible dream, but so what? I've been his fan for a long time and I am sure he is truly taken by the immense energy of these young men. Why not let the old queen dream? He's given more to the art than most of us ever will in our entire lifetimes.

[Rían]

Gandalf's goal is to keep his staff. He sweet-talks Hama outside the door, so he gets to keep it. However, once he is INSIDE, he wants to CONCEAL his staff, esp. from Grima, who was smart enough to specifically tell Hama to take it from Gandalf. Therefore, he leans on Legolas' arm to make it look like, to Hama, that he had to give up his staff before coming in and he doesn't have it anymore. It's only when Gandalf is in the room a bit and starts to stand up straighter that Grima realizes Gandalf still has his staff, and Grima says "Rats! I TOLD you to forbid his staff!" (or something like that).

And that's MHO :cool: