pronunciation

[The Lady of the Wood]

im reading the sil for the 2nd time and was wondering how you pronounce the e as in manwe and ingwe and finwe? :confused:

[Melko Belcha]

Look in the back of the book.

The Silmarillion - Notes on Pronunciation.
E - at the end of words is always pronounced as a distinct vowel, and in this position is written e(I have no idea how to put the dots above it). It is likewise always pronounced in the middle of words like Celeborn, Menegroth.

[Dúnedain]

Manwe, Pronunciation: ma'nweh soo'limoh

Ingwe, Pronunciation: ee'ngweh

Finwe, Pronunciation: finwe'h


Got that from the Encylopedia of Arda :D

[Laurus Nobilis]

Unlike in English, the last 'e' of a word is pronounced in Quenya.

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by The Lady of the Wood
im reading the sil for the 2nd time and was wondering how you pronounce the e as in manwe and ingwe and finwe? :confused:

There is a section called "Note on Pronunciation" in the back of the following books:
The Silmarillion
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (Appendix E)

I am not aware of any pronunciation help in any of the other books, but I don't own all of them. You can also go to www.ardalambion.com (http://www.ardalambion.com) for "The tongues of Arda". There is a tutorial for Quenya and Sindarin, as well as other languages of ME.

Anor caluva tielyanna!

[Falagar]

Anor caluva tielyanna!
Anor is Sindarn, Anar is Quenya...or was it a typo? ;)

[Shadowfax]

manwe = man-way
ingwe = ing-way
finwe = fin-way

That's always how I've pronounced them, plus, check out the notes on pronounciation (they say to pronounce the 'e').:)

[Radagast The Brown]

I've always thought it's pronounce as :
Manve, Ingve and Finve. IN Hebrew you can't know if it's v or w, because there is no letter for 'w', and the inveters of the hebrew language had to pronounce this letter somehow. They chose the letter that says 'v' too... that what I tought until I saw the English names.

[Elvedans]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
manwe = man-way
ingwe = ing-way
finwe = fin-way

That's always how I've pronounced them, plus, check out the notes on pronounciation (they say to pronounce the 'e').:)

I say it like that too. I always have trouble with Earendil and Earnil and Earwen though

[Falagar]

Manwë is not pronounced like english "-way". The ë should be pronounced. Everything is pronounced like it's written in Quenya, and it should (I think) be pronounced like "Manve[h]". I think (but I'm not sure...) that the w in earlier Quenya later became v...

[Melko Belcha]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
Manwe, Pronunciation: ma'nweh soo'limoh

Ingwe, Pronunciation: ee'ngweh

Finwe, Pronunciation: finwe'h


Got that from the Encylopedia of Arda :D

This is how I have always heard them pronounced.

Elvedans I listened to the movie in the part where Galadriel in giving Frodo the Phial, she says 'This is the light of Earendil, our most beloved star'. It's hard to catch but I finally got it.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

I know it's supposed the be pronounced 'e' but I always end up pronouncing it 'ey' (as in they or whey).

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by Falagar
Anor is Sindarn, Anar is Quenya...or was it a typo? ;)

Marlya! Ni alistima mi Quenya! Ta na typo, tunga nacca!
:D

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by Falagar
Manwë is not pronounced like english "-way". The ë should be pronounced. Everything is pronounced like it's written in Quenya, and it should (I think) be pronounced like "Manve[h]". I think (but I'm not sure...) that the w in earlier Quenya later became v...
Not "v"... it is pronounced with a "w" not changed to v. *puts head in hands* I'm not sure if this will help, but I'm going to try...
make an open pucker with mouth but with the lower lip slightly protruded, like you're going to say oooooh... now try to make an "H" sound with an "ooooo" after it. That is a "W" sound. It's Man-Weh, not Man-Veh. :)

The "e" has the little dots over it to remind you to pronounce it. It is and "e" as in the English word "end" like -eh.

[Shadowfax]

Yeah, that's what I thought.:)

[Elvedans]

Originally posted by Melko Belcha

Elvedans I listened to the movie in the part where Galadriel in giving Frodo the Phial, she says 'This is the light of Earendil, our most beloved star'. It's hard to catch but I finally got it.

Yeah, she says it like "Air-rendil" but you can't always trust the movie can you? I thought it was more like "Ay-arendil" or "Ee-arendil." What about Ea on its own, as in the sea?

[Melko Belcha]

I hear it a little different. I don't know.
I say Eh-ah-ren-dil, Earendil
Like Eh-o-wyn, Eowyn
If I'm not right, o well, I like the way it sounds. I will give credit to the movie, they did search out for someone who know it really good.

The E at the beginning of Eowyn and Eomer is the same that I use at the end of Manwe.

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by Melko Belcha
I hear it a little different. I don't know.
I say Eh-ah-ren-dil, Earendil
Like Eh-o-wyn, Eowyn
The "eh" and "ah" are supposed to be pronounced separately, like you have it. Like Eh-ah-rehn-dil. I think that in the movie it is actually mispronounced (Cate Blanchett, but not here fault, after all she is only an actress).

[Fat middle]

if they're pronouncing Airendil, they're misspronouncing it.

the pronunciation of both sindar and quenya is very close to Spanish (and most latin languages).

man-way, ing-way... it's also incorrect.

Dunedain and Melko Belcha put the right pronunciations, but have in mind that the "h" doesn't sound.

[Falagar]

Actually, she managed to pronounce it Ërendil! :rolleyes: