Padme Amidala or Leia

[Lalaith]

Which of these two characters - mother and daughter - do you think is the stronger one?

[Grey_Wolf]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Which of these two characters - mother and daughter - do you think is the stronger one?

Definitely Leia. But holding Padme's youth (in the first and second ep:s) against her wouldn't be sporting I guess.

[Estel13]

Leia, almost certainly. I say almost because they both have true kick-@$$ ability. ;) Man, it's wierd thinking of them as mother and daughter! I nver really thought about it, I guess. *shrugs* Later.....

[Lief Erikson]

I noticed the resemblence immediately- first time I saw the movie. That was one of the things I loved most about Episode 2. Also there is a resemblence in character between Anakin and Luke. They have some of the same basic qualities, only as they grew up, they transformed in different ways. The starters are there for both of them, from the beginning. Also Luke was humble because of the way he grew up- something Anakin was totally different from him in.

[Estel13]

Originally posted by Lief Erikson
I noticed the resemblence immediately- first time I saw the movie. That was one of the things I loved most about Episode 2. Also there is a resemblence in character between Anakin and Luke. They have some of the same basic qualities, only as they grew up, they transformed in different ways. The starters are there for both of them, from the beginning. Also Luke was humble because of the way he grew up- something Anakin was totally different from him in.

yeah, i see it now, thanx! especially that about anakin and luke. :D

[Lief Erikson]

I wrote an essay which is a defense for Anakin and Padmé's relationship, I just haven't posted it here because of fear that someone might steal it and use it :D. But I really didn't say what the similarities were in that post, I just asserted that they existed. I'm glad you can see them now, though :).

It's rather fun that in Empire Strikes Back, even Yoda recognizes the similarity between Luke and his father. "Like his father," he muttered, if you recall (Which I'm sure you do ;)).

[Lalaith]

Another resemblance between Anakin and Luke: They war far to old to start becoming a Jedi.

As this Anakin/Luke things is off-topic, I wonder if we shouldn't start a Anakin/Luke thread. Or is there already one?

[Lief Erikson]

Since Padme and Leia, and Anakin and Luke and Han Solo all figure into the equation, maybe we should make a thread that includes discussion and comparison between all these characters.

[Lalaith]

Since Padme and Leia, and Anakin and Luke and Han Solo all figure into the equation, maybe we should make a thread that includes discussion and comparison between all these characters.
Oh, please don't mention Han Solo! I never liked him. I kinda always wanted Luke and Leia to be together (maybe that's why I also like Nienor and Túrin).

[Gwaimir Windgem]

o.O

Okaaaay... ;)

Personally, I must say I disagree with you. Luke and Leia do fit well together, but they can do that fine and be brother and sister.

P. S. I do like your name. If I ever have a daughter, I'd love to name her that. :D

[Lief Erikson]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Oh, please don't mention Han Solo! I never liked him. I kinda always wanted Luke and Leia to be together (maybe that's why I also like Nienor and Túrin).

Now that's an opinion I'm surprised to hear :). People hating Anakin yes, but people disliking Han Solo???? Surprise! :D

[Lalaith]

Now that's an opinion I'm surprised to hear . People hating Anakin yes, but people disliking Han Solo???? Surprise!
I don't understand it either. My mind oft goes strange ways. I guess it's because of his arrogance in the beginning - when he meets Leia and she tells him that she loves him and he says "I know". Horrible.
Personally, I must say I disagree with you. Luke and Leia do fit well together, but they can do that fine and be brother and sister.
Yeah, that's the problem with it. Like I said, it's just like between Nienor and Turin, everybody thinks they fit together, but everybody also knows that it isn't possible.
P. S. I do like your name. If I ever have a daughter, I'd love to name her that.
Guess why I chose this name? When I'm gonna have a daughter in future, I'll name her Lalaith.

[Jonathan]

Originally posted by Lalaith
I don't understand it either. My mind oft goes strange ways. I guess it's because of his arrogance in the beginning - when he meets Leia and she tells him that she loves him and he says "I know". So you think Han Solo is arrogant, eh? *drawing parallels to why you don't like Aragorn* :D

Originally posted by Lalaith
Guess why I chose this name? When I'm gonna have a daughter in future, I'll name her Lalaith. Are names that come from Tolkien's world fully acceptable? Are there people who are named after various characters from Tolkien's books?

Well, to stay on the subject, I think that Leia is stronger than Padme. In fact I believe all of the main characters from episode 4 to 6 are stronger than those from episode 1 to 3 (maybe with the exception of Yoda, his younger self was probably more vigorous than his older self :D ).

[Lalaith]

So you think Han Solo is arrogant, eh? *drawing parallels to why you don't like Aragorn*
Hmm, yeah, what can I say? But I like Aragorn better than Han Solo.

Are names that come from Tolkien's world fully acceptable? Are there people who are named after various characters from Tolkien's books?
It wouldn't be allowed in Austria. You have to pick "legal" names.

Well, to stay on the subject, I think that Leia is stronger than Padme.
But they were both good fighters. (I know that Padme is, and I guess that Leia was, too)

[Estel13]

Han Solo is my favorite character in SW.:p
My fave SW books are "The Han Solo Trilogy"
by A.C. Crispin. A recomended read for everyone but you, Lalaith!:rolleyes:
And Aragorn is even cooler! *points at sig*:rolleyes:

[Lalaith]

There are actually SW books? I know one and this is "Attac of the Clones". I saw it in the book store and read the last page. I didn't intend to, but it just happend. And ha, it was before I saw the movie. So I knew that they would get married. That spoilt the movie.

[Jonathan]

Great, now you've spoilt the movie for anyone who accidently reads your post and hasn't seen the movie :D

[Lalaith]

Sorry, didn't think of that.

[BeardofPants]

Originally posted by Lalaith
I guess it's because of his arrogance in the beginning - when he meets Leia and she tells him that she loves him and he says "I know". Horrible.

Yeah, but how can you believe that he doesn't love her back? He doesn't have to say the words to mean it: and it's very clear from the expression on his face that he DOES love her. I'm sorry, but that's one of my favourite scenes, and I'm glad that they didn't screw it up by making it soppy. And it was in character for him to saying "I know" rather than "I love you."

[Estel13]

Originally posted by Lalaith
There are actually SW books?

Of course there are! The Correlian Trilogy, The Han Solo Trilogy, The Crystal Star, The Courtship Of Princess Leia, The Phantom Menace, The X-Wing Trilogy..... Need I go on?:rolleyes:
BoP, that's one of my favorite scenes too! Han Solo is my favorite character. He's cool.:cool:

[BeardofPants]

Originally posted by Estel13
Han Solo is my favorite character. He's cool.:cool:

He's mine as well. Luke, OTOH, is a whiney little brat. :p It's just as well Leia had the good sense of 'choose' Han. :D

[Lalaith]

I like the scene too. It made me laugh. But I like Luke more than Han Solo. He is so cute.

[Bombadillo]

The stronger one would have to be Leia, although her mom is much hotter.

[Aralyn]

Lia but only so far as Padme hasn't really had a chance to prove herself.

[Lalaith]

We have to wait for Padme till Episode III.

[gimli7410]

i thought leia was better but i dont know why.

[The Ben]

Leia because she can use the force (a little bit at least).

[Arwen Melain]

I have to agree with Lalaith, we will have to wait for Padme to prove herself. After all, Episode III has not come out yet. :)

[The Ben]

Originally posted by Arwen Melain
I have to agree with Lalaith, we will have to wait for Padme to prove herself. After all, Episode III has not come out yet. :)

Yeah, i guess. We'll just have to wait and see.

[Lalaith]

At least we know that she probably will do a good job saving her children.

[The Ben]

Originally posted by Lalaith
At least we know that she probably will do a good job saving her children.

well yah. isn't it funny that leia gets put with the billionare Alderaan senetor and luck gets put with this old moister farmer who really needs help?

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by The Ben
well yah. isn't it funny that leia gets put with the billionare Alderaan senetor and luck gets put with this old moister farmer who really needs help?
In some way - yes. But a farmer will need a boy and girls deserve wealth (lol). :D

[The Ben]

Originally posted by Lalaith
In some way - yes. But a farmer will need a boy and girls deserve wealth (lol). :D

True i guess. Thats the way they have ever done it and thats the way theyll always do it. confusing huh?

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by The Ben
True i guess. Thats the way they have ever done it and thats the way theyll always do it. confusing huh?
Yup. No, not confusing. But what could a farmer do with a little Princess?! (oops, did I say that? I, the feminist)

[The Ben]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Yup. No, not confusing. But what could a farmer do with a little Princess?! (oops, did I say that? I, the feminist)

how am i suppost to know? Im not a farmer.

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by The Ben
how am i suppost to know? Im not a farmer.
Ah come on .... it must be clear to everybody, that a girl on a desert farm ... no, wait, what am I saying:
A girl can do everything she wants. Leia would have done her job just as good as Luke.

[The Ben]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Ah come on .... it must be clear to everybody, that a girl on a desert farm ... no, wait, what am I saying:
A girl can do everything she wants. Leia would have done her job just as good as Luke.

Im not a girl either.

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by The Ben
Im not a girl either.
But you are not stupid (I hope).

[hectorberlioz]

Okay ive seen this "I hate han solo" thing to much. Hmphh. There are reasons for han bieng so, ahem "macho", 1. Him and chewie have been in some tight spots( read:the han solo adventures, by brian daley) and han likes to make smart remarks to himself feel better. Theres more i can say...but im already off the subject...as for the original question: LEIA. Padme's really "fake".

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
Okay ive seen this "I hate han solo" thing to much. Hmphh. There are reasons for han bieng so, ahem "macho", 1. Him and chewie have been in some tight spots( read:the han solo adventures, by brian daley) and han likes to make smart remarks to himself feel better. Theres more i can say...but im already off the subject...as for the original question: LEIA. Padme's really "fake".
Why fake?

[hectorberlioz]

She is so cheesy. Giggling like an idiot, something leia would never do. She's so cheap! yes she fights, but she doesnt do it as well as leia. And her voice! she sounds like a teenage girl! and she's SO important the health of the galaxy...:rolleyes:

[HOBBIT]

come off it, padme is great.

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
She is so cheesy. Giggling like an idiot, something leia would never do. She's so cheap! yes she fights, but she doesnt do it as well as leia. And her voice! she sounds like a teenage girl! and she's SO important the health of the galaxy...:rolleyes:
Okay, your opinion.
I don't want to hear it about Anakin. Beware. ;)

[Aeryn Evenstar]

I think Leia is the stronger one. She was born into the Rebellion to one of its leaders. Padme is OK, but she doesn't have that fire that Leia has. She's too soft spoken. And Han Solo is the ultimate "space cowboy." :)

[Anglorfin]

Leia by far. She's had to deal with more than Padme. Padme has only known conflict for a short while, Leia basically all her life. Plus Leia has a little the Force inside her. She has to be strong to learn how to control it someday.

[hectorberlioz]

Sorry guys, i get carried away when telling people padme stinks...oops. No really i am sorry and no kidding.:)

[Lalaith]

Is there any Padme fan out there?

[Anglorfin]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Is there any Padme fan out there?


Besides Padme, I just don't like Natalie Portman in general. She's just so, . . . ehhh.

[Ornelírë Mistë]

Leia is not so great. Never saw the second or third of the new movies (first was awful), but Amidala has a cool first name, Padme. So I'll vote for her. Not fond of her hair or makeup though.

[HOBBIT]

What is wrong with Natalie Portman? I like Padme a lot. I also like Leia. But Padme seems to be very outnumbered in this topic so I will vote for her.

And Episode one was a GOOD movie. In comparison with the original trilogy, I guess you can debate that it doesn't compare, um ok.

But compare it to movies coming out now. The year episode one came out, it was one of the best movies that year - it still is a very good movie.

Don't be such whiny babies. Do you think it gives you power to bitch and complain about things? Does it make you feel better to put down perfectly good things?

What exactly was so wrong with it? The movie was fine and Jar-Jar was fine too.

Episode two was also a really good movie - dragged a little but the second half (YODA WITH LIGHTSABER HELL YEAH) was well worth it. See all 1-3 and THEN make your judgements - episode three has the potential to be amazing.

"the first one was awful" well I think that your OPINION IS AWFUL. :p

[gollum9630]

I think Leia is stronger since she had to put up with more stuff. The one question i have is how Padme will die. Doesnt Leia say her mother died when she was young :confused:

[Lalaith]

How can anyone not like Natalie Portman?

[HOBBIT]

Originally posted by Lalaith
How can anyone not like Natalie Portman?

exactly!

and I wasn't saying that the new star wars movies were the greatest movies ever or better than the original - just that they ARE good movies - not 'awful'

try seeing some of the other recent movies that have come out these past years - that will really give you some good awful flicks.

Episode 1 and 2 by no means rank with those.

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by HOBBIT
exactly!

and I wasn't saying that the new star wars movies were the greatest movies ever or better than the original - just that they ARE good movies - not 'awful'

try seeing some of the other recent movies that have come out these past years - that will really give you some good awful flicks.

Episode 1 and 2 by no means rank with those.
Not another teenie movie etc. ...... It seems to me that real good stories and movies are very rare nowadays.

[The Ben]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Not another teenie movie etc. ...... It seems to me that real good stories and movies are very rare nowadays.

Star Wars has a good story behind it.

[hectorberlioz]

oh please lalaith! good movies are rare but the newest star wars movies are not part of that category. dont take me wrong i like the new star wars movies, yes i definitely like them.

Hobbit: you cant just vote for padme because she's persecuted. watch all the sw movies then judge.

[Rosie Gamgee]

I like Leia better. She's not as stupid as Padme (please forgive the word 'stupid'- 'tis my opinion). I mean, Padme saw what Anakin's anger could do to him, how rebellious he was, and his juvenile ideas about how the government should work. And yet she marries him anyway! Duh.
Leia is smarter. She can hold her own in a blaster-fight, and her hairdos are much more practical. She's important to her cause, but she doesn't have to get her way all the time just because she is.

[hectorberlioz]

AMEN!

[HOBBIT]

Hobbit: you cant just vote for padme because she's persecuted. watch all the sw movies then judge.



1. Why can't I?
2. You think I haven't? Of course I have, and much more than once at that :p My user name here used to be "captain Tarpols" for crying outloud, the gungan guard dude from Episode one (yes i know its spelt tarpals)


And I'm not just voting for Padme because she is being persecuted here, I really also like here.

[hectorberlioz]

alright then, sorry.

[jellyfishannah]

What do you mean, how can someone not like Natalie Portman? There are gazillions of people on here and you don't expect different opinions to come flying at you? I don't really like her either, to tell you the truth. And to tell another truth, I absolutely despise Padme. Why? Because she is cheap, like hectorberlioz said. She definitely (in my opinion) wouldn't stand a chance against leia. :) Here are a few reasons:

1. Where Leia is in control..Padme is a bossy little brat. She is ACTING. You can see it. You are not supposed to be able to see acting.:rolleyes:

2. Leia doesn't act like an idiot around her 'crush' then tell him " No! We musn't! I have so much self control..blah blah blah.." So contradicting! No wonder Anakin has problems!

3. Ok...and the fact that she still calls him Ani really...ugh!

Sorry if I go a bit far on this subject....Ntalie Portman is an ok actress. I've never seen a good movie with her in it, though. And I don't count the starwars prequels as good movies right now. I am in a very bad mood.
:) ;)

[hectorberlioz]

C'est charmant cherie

[Rosie Gamgee]

Wha....?

[hectorberlioz]

what? what do you mean?

[Lief Erikson]

"It is charming, dear."

[hectorberlioz]

oh really? i thought it was more like "it was charming darling"
oh well the both are pretty much the same anyway....

[jellyfishannah]

Hey! I know this is sorta off the topic but...MAJOR SPOILER!!!I hear Anakin is going to lose his temper and choke Padme!! :eek::eek: :p MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!! lol. Ok. I know I'm evil

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
oh please lalaith! good movies are rare but the newest star wars movies are not part of that category. dont take me wrong i like the new star wars movies, yes i definitely like them.

Hobbit: you cant just vote for padme because she's persecuted. watch all the sw movies then judge.
Late reply. Oh-oh.
Well.

I would count SW to the better movies these days. I mean if you think of the background story.
Maybe the execution of the story wasn't always the best, but nowadays you can barely see a good story in most of the movies.

As for Padme and Leia ... maybe I'll make my final decision when I have seen Padme in Episode III.

[hectorberlioz]

and you will like leia more in the end, no one can take padme for too long...:p .
hey, you can see my fan art sw-ep3 at the force.net, i have a thread for it somewhere...

[Lalaith]

Oh well, with me loving Natalie Portman, I will like Padme.
But I really have to wait, shouldn't judge because of the actress. :D
I'll go and have a look.

[hectorberlioz]

*hypnnotizes Lalaith by playing a sleepy tune on the flute*\
you hate padme amidala...

Lalaith: I hate padme amidala...


:p :p :p

[Lalaith]

Lalaith: I hate Padme Amidala


no, wait, I don't hate her. Padme and Ani are such a cute couple.

Leia would be more probable to win, if she hadn't taken this idiot of Han Solo. I don't like him.

[hectorberlioz]

hector: you are in love with han solo...*subtle wave of hand*

Lalaith: i LOVE han solo!

[Lalaith]

You won't get me to love this rude guy.
I wanted Luke and Leia to be together ... yes, I know, they are siblings, but still. Why is there nobody for Luke, damn Jedi rules.

[The Ben]

Ummmm...... sure.