If you could remove one scene...

[Balrog_of_Morgoth]

If you could remove one scene from FOTR and one scene from TTT, what would they be. Keep in mind, I do NOT mean plot changes, such as Osgiliath, Arwen, etc. Just scenes within the movie that didn't seem right to you.

My picks:

FOTR: the part where gandalf is doing the spinning/breakdance scene to the tune of Saruman's staff. Too over the top.

TTT: the part where Frodo and Sam hide under the Elven cloak. When they are looking through the material from underneath, the guy's foot is right beside them. When the camera switched back outside, he is several feet away. I think the scene sucks.

(close 2nd is Legolas' skateboard trick)

[Lady_of_the_Golden_Wood]

I would want Arwen's dumb lovesick "I have made my choice scene" in TTT to go away. :mad:

[Lady_of_the_Golden_Wood]

Originally Posted by Balrog_or_Morgoth

(close 2nd is Legolas' skateboard trick)

I liked that scene. *blushes* I AM NOT A FANGIRL!!!!

Thank you...

[Celebriel]

First, I would remove the Osgiliath scenes, since they never happened.

Second, the scene where Haldir...ahem.

Third, the scenes that make Gimli look like nothing more than half-witted comic relief.

Fourth, the scene where Aragorn is awakened by Brego. C'mon people, he knew it was the horse, not Arwen. *Throws popcorn at the peanut gallery*

[Celebriel]

Wait, that was four. Sorry, I get carried away. ^__^

[Lollypopgurl]

In FOTR: The shot in which Arwen says, "If you want him, come and claim him!" I get annoyed there.

In TT: The scene where Frodo goes: "Nothing..... (three hours go by) Just a dream." Ok, so not the whole scene. Just make him say it quicker. :D

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by Celebriel
Second, the scene where Haldir...ahem.

Shows his chubby face? :D

Anyway...

I think I'd better not get into this. ;)

[Elf.Freak]

FOTR: The Cave Trool scene...hello? my butt was hurting during that!
TTT: well, i wouldn't remove a scene, but edit one. When Aragorn & co meet Gandalf. He says 'Gandalf, yes, that's what they used to call me', but don't Pippin & Merry see him first? Wouldn't they have called him 'Gandalf'?

Legolas' 'Skateboard' trick was cool! (very hard trying to do that in a cardboard box down my stairs, but sisters make such good speed bumps...;))

[Elf Girl]

FotR: If you want him, come and claim him. It would be better to delete the Ford all together than that.

TTT: Aragorn's whole, fall-over-the-cliff, think-a-horse-is-Arwen scene.

[Black Breathalizer]

FOTR: I wanted Gandalf's imprisonment by Saruman to be a flashback that was shared with Frodo. Frodo deserved to know on screen why Gandalf didn't meet him in Bree.

TTT: I know it will happen in the Extended DVD and ROTK, but I would have changed just a few of Faramir's lines to "warm" him up a bit.

Otherwise, we're talking near perfection, folks. :D

[Lalaith]

First I would delete the mean Faramir scences.

And second the whole Aragorn seems to be dead plot. Totally useless.

[Black Breathalizer]

Originally posted by Lalaith
The whole Aragorn seems to be dead plot. Totally useless. Dead plot?!?!? The next movie is entitled The Return of the King for crying out loud!

[Lady_of_the_Golden_Wood]

Why did they make Arwen so, I LOVE HIM I GOTTA HAVE HIM, I WOULD DIE FOR HIM!!!!

She is better in the book.

[Black Breathalizer]

Originally posted by Lady_of_the_Golden_Wood
Why did they make Arwen so, I LOVE HIM I GOTTA HAVE HIM, I WOULD DIE FOR HIM!!!!Because in the book Arwen loved him, had to have him and was willing to sacrifice her immortality for him. Besides the flight to the Ford (which we've debated to death) the only difference from the book is that PJ is focusing on this intriguing love story more than Tolkien did.

[Lady of Rohan]

TTT: When Aragorn thinks that Arwen is a horse

FotR: Galadriel's scary voice (when she suddenly grows taller and she turns blue. That part is really scary....)

[Celebriel]

Shows his chubby face?

*Sniffle* Yes, actually, he was never even at Helm's Deep. But still... *Sniffle* He was very good looking.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
Because in the book Arwen loved him, had to have him and was willing to sacrifice her immortality for him. Besides the flight to the Ford (which we've debated to death) the only difference from the book is that PJ is focusing on this intriguing love story more than Tolkien did.

The reason Tolkien didn't focus on it is because it did not belong in the Lord of the Rings, as he states in his letters.

[Black Breathalizer]

I don't know what Tolkien's LETTERS say, but the books HE WROTE include the love story of Arwen and Aragorn. Jackson didn't make it up. The only difference between the books and the movies is the level of focus. So don't give us any baloney about this romance not belonging in LOTR. It most certainly does.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

No, it is in poor keeping with the story. That is why Tolkien relegated it to the Appendices. Sorry about the confusion; he said that, while he liked the story, it did NOT belong with the main story of the Lord of the Rings, and therefore he put it in the back. :)

[azalea]

In Fellowship, I guess it would have to be the scene when the Nazgul enter Bree and smash the gate down, killing the gatekeeper.

In TTT, I would take out the scene where Galadriel and Elrond are communicating telepathically about the unfolding events. The problem is that that scene is the lead-in for the elves coming to Helm's Deep, so something would have to be done in its place to explain it.

[durin's bane]

FOTR: The scene where Arwen and Aragorn get all "oh honey bunch..." It scares me. ;)
TTT: The scene where Frodo falls in a pool in the Dead Marshes. Dumb, a bit too "I want to eat your brain!"-ish for Lord of the Rings.

[azalea]

Oh, yeah, I agree w/ you about the scene in the Dead Marshes. But PJ couldn't pass up a chance to highlight the macabre.:rolleyes: It does serve a bit of a purpose in that it shows how Gollum stays true to his word, beyond what either of the hobbits expected (that being touched on in the book, but not easily shown in the movie). But then it bothers me that it would have taken Sam that long to get to Frodo.

[Lalaith]

Dead plot?!?!? The next movie is entitled The Return of the King for crying out loud!
I was talking about the scences where Aragorn seemed to be dead and then this horse came and took him to Helms Deep. These scenes have nothing to do with The Return of the King.
Sorry, if I made you missunderstand me. I know that they can't take Aragorn out of the movie (although I don't like him very much).

[Daughter of Elros]

In FOTR: The shot in which Arwen says, "If you want him, come and claim him!" I get annoyed there.

I have learned to tolerate that scene, simply because of the amusing look on her face afterwards. you know. the

"Oh shyte. Scary men wearing black are coming towards me even AFTER I delivered the lame pick-up line. What the fleep am I gonna do?"

(at this point, she looks down at herself and you can practically SEE her going "damn, I have to get this dress to the dry-cleaners- sorry- what? flood? huh? lost myself there for a moment.")

(I apologize, but Arwen is by no means a "deep" character. and I know I wansn't supposed to criticize her here, so I apologize and duck before everyone starts throwing things at me :) )

[Lalaith]

In FOTR: The shot in which Arwen says, "If you want him, come and claim him!" I get annoyed there.
I liked the sentence. But only in english. In german it was odd.

[Insidious Rex]

Originally posted by Lalaith
I liked the sentence. But only in english. In german it was odd.

If you think the German version was odd you should check out the Japanese version. Apparently thats hilarious. Well unless you are a major tolkien head with no sense of humor. in which case you are furious for some reason.

[Galadriel to Frodo] I am dog biscuit! The star will sing with ice. Bring down your eggs and worry!!

[Lizra]

In TTT, I think the Eowyn/Aragorn swordplay bit is rank. They could have found a better way to get to Eowyn's good lines.

I didn't need the hobbit "ear picker" in the extended version of FoTR. Hobbit's aren't that lame!

[azalea]

Originally posted by Lizra

I didn't need the hobbit "ear picker" in the extended version of FoTR. Hobbit's aren't that lame!

I agree! Simple in a sense, but not stupid buffoons!:rolleyes:

[WallRocker]

There's nothing I would want to take out of FOtR(however, I would add a scene. Tom Bombadil would have been nice:))

In TTT i would have taken out the Warg scene and when Frodo and Sam go to Gondor. Those scenes confused me to no end!

[Millane]

i loved the extended Hobbit scene at the start of fellowship... the look on the guys face when he sees the cakes and the guy with a barrel on his shoulder was great :D as for the Eowyn sword scene in TTT that was just pathetic it would have been half bearable if she actually could swing a sword and they didnt have to make it so obvious that it was sped up:rolleyes:
TTT: Aragorn's whole, fall-over-the-cliff, think-a-horse-is-Arwen scene.
he doesnt think the horse is arwen that is why he murmered "Brego" to it and not "Arwen", even if you didnt pick it up Celebriel said it about 3 posts up...
ummm im not gunna complain about anything i will just say what i wuld have done
FotR
*I would have had Gimli go fisticuffs with them elves at the council then again after the "and do you know what this dwarf says to that?"
*Gimli maybe not go missing for about 10 minutes at Amon Hen.
*Gandalf and Saruman ditching the staffs and going fisticuffs

TTT
*just plain bin the skateboard crap
*let Gimli take the Warg down instead of Legolas

hmmm thats all i can think of for now.. i was planning on watching them again tonight so im sure ill come up with more

[Miranda]

In honesty I wouldn't change much! I love the lot but if I had to get rid of something it would have to be the part just after Helm's Deep in TTT (when Sam is doing his little inspirational) and Eowyn hugs Aragorn. That bit just doesn't ring true to me, as I don't think that sort of contact between an unmarried or unrelated male and female would be viewed all that well by the people of Edoras but then again who knows...Mx

[azalea]

Originally posted by Miranda
... Eowyn hugs Aragorn.

I agree with that, more so because I think that it is too "familiar" for those two -- first of all being "nobility," and secondly because they really didn't know each other that well to be comfortable w/ that level of familiarity (definately a "modern audiences" device -- hugging between "unfamiliars" is not looked at askance now, rather it is seen as a normal and positive thing, except by anti-huggers. Just look at all the "reunion" shows on TV, where perfect strangers meet and share a prolonged embrace). Also, it marred my picture of the "ice maiden" Eowyn. Ice maidens don't give warm hugs, especially to men they've just met.

[Celebriel]

Originally posted by Millane
he doesnt think the horse is arwen that is why he murmered "Brego" to it and not "Arwen", even if you didnt pick it up Celebriel said it about 3 posts up... [/B]

Sanku. *Bows* I just get so pissed when the immature members of the audience giggle at that part. *Fume fume*

[Legolas_GreenLeaf]

TTT- I would take out the scene where Frodo falls in a the Dead Marshes...because that was a bit creepy, but it was also good to have it, since it shows that Gollum stayed true to his word. (Where was Sam??)
Oh yeah, and I like the scene when Legolas does the skateboard thing, i thought it rocked...it's just my opinion.. same w/ the horse flip thing he did. Gimli, Legolas, and Aragorn were all more highly portrayed in TTT, which I thought was great.

FOTR - Don't think I would change anything in here, except Gimli wasn't shown too much at times...but he paid back in the Two Towers anyway.:)

Oh yeah, this is off topic, but everyone should go here and VOTE FOR LOTR! PLease! The BEST LINE NEEDS to be Ian McKellen but he's not in the lead.... Who would you pick, Liv Tyler or Miranda Otto?? VOTE please....Copy and paste this : http://www.moviefone.com/features/standAlone.adp?page=ama_2003_ballotbox

[Lalaith]

In TTT i would have taken out the Warg scene and when Frodo and Sam go to Gondor. Those scenes confused me to no end!
I agree. They were totally out of place.

[straight_face]

ReMoVe ArWen.

[Legolas_GreenLeaf]

you can't just remove arwen..that ruins aragorn's life.:)

[Silverleaf]

~FOTR:uhhhhhhh i have no problem really
~TTT: Haldir dieing:(
Namárië

[Nurvingiel]

I'd do the same as you Silverleaf, except I'd delete another pointless scene from TTT - Legolas' shield skateboard. Stupid!

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Amen to that!


I would delete:

I amar prestar aen

The world is changing.

:D

[Lalaith]

I'd do the same as you Silverleaf, except I'd delete another pointless scene from TTT - Legolas' shield skateboard. Stupid!
I thought that scene was great fun. I had to laugh.

[Legolas_GreenLeaf]

I personally DONT think legolas's skateboard thing was stupid... if it was, why?I thought it added more to the excitement of the movie. Same w/ Gimli being a more humorous character....

anyway..i agree that haldir shouldn't have died.:( :( so sad

[Nurvingiel]

At least that part is somewhat relevant to the sub-plot of the Elves leaving Middle-earth though.

[Insidious Rex]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
At least that part is somewhat relevant to the sub-plot of the Elves leaving Middle-earth though.

hows that? It just makes me cringe every time I think about that scene.

[obscenename]

"Because in the book Arwen loved him, had to have him and was willing to sacrifice her immortality for him. Besides the flight to the Ford (which we've debated to death) the only difference from the book is that PJ is focusing on this intriguing love story more than Tolkien did. "

There are many more differences from the book than the Ford and the focus on the love story.

"You can't just remove arwen..that ruins aragorn's life"

And saving the world doesn't count for anything?

In FOTR - Remove the scene in the Extended edition with Aragorn singing/mumbling on the way to Weathertop.

In TT - Aragorn's fall shouldn't even been conceived, let alone left in the film.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by Legolas_GreenLeaf
I personally DONT think legolas's skateboard thing was stupid... if it was, why?I thought it added more to the excitement of the movie. Same w/ Gimli being a more humorous character....

anyway..i agree that haldir shouldn't have died.:( :( so sad

Because Elves are a great, mighty, fair, terrible, fell, and a thousand other adjectives race. A bunch of skaterboys they ain't.

PJ just completely screwed up Gimli. He was a DND dwarf, not one of the Khazad of Middle-earth.

[Legolas_GreenLeaf]

well, when you put it that way....:) :confused:

[Lalaith]

Because Elves are a great, mighty, fair, terrible, fell, and a thousand other adjectives race. A bunch of skaterboys they ain't.
Haven't seen Legolas as a skaterboy ... till now. Horrible picture.
anyway..i agree that haldir shouldn't have died. so sad
Yeah, I hated that too.

[Legolas_GreenLeaf]

Ok ok the hole skating thing wasnt THAT bad...i mean, it is not one of the most worst seens in the entire movie...the fans of the book dont like it but fans of the movie loved it.:)

[Silverleaf]

but I'm a fan of the book(and movie)..and I liked it..just Most fans of the book don't like it;)

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by Legolas_GreenLeaf
Ok ok the hole skating thing wasnt THAT bad...i mean, it is not one of the most worst seens in the entire movie...the fans of the book dont like it but fans of the movie loved it.:)

Nope. I have a list of those. :p It's just an abomination before Elf-kind. :)

[Legolas_GreenLeaf]

ok ok ok i rest my case! everyone has different opinions!:)

[straight_face]

Gimli, I expected, needed to have more dignity, as the dwarves hitherto, and how he was revealed in the book. I do not agree with Peter Jackson's depiction of him.

[Legolas_GreenLeaf]

I agree to some extent.:D

[Indril Anarion]

FOTR: Would have liked Merry to solve the riddle, instead of "disturbong the water". It would have given the audience a sense that Merry is a bit more serious and it would have been a better transition into TTT when he confronts the Ents

TTT: I loved Legolas' skateboard trick, but wish that the whole scene where Frodo takes the ring to Gondor would disappear, it never happened in the book....wish Faramir would have been nicer to Frodo too

[Legolas_GreenLeaf]

guess what Indril Anarion? you are my new best friend...I couldn't agree with you more about FoTR and merry..and w/ legolas and the whole skateboard event...:D

[Nurvingiel]

Originally posted by Indril Anarion
FOTR: Would have liked Merry to solve the riddle, instead of "disturbong the water". It would have given the audience a sense that Merry is a bit more serious and it would have been a better transition into TTT when he confronts the Ents. I thought Froso solved it in the book. I'd delete the Osgiliath stuff too though. :)

[Gwaimir Windgem]

I'm almost positive it was Gandalf.

straight_face, I completely agree with you.

[Millane]

yes i agree completely straight-face Gimli needed lots more dignity some of which would have been got out of taking down that warg instead of legolas coming and f***ing it all up:mad:

ummm someone had a link to some Movie Award crap, what sort of queers vote there *damn fangirls* since when was Orlando Bloom a better supporting Actor over Sir Ian and like hell that eminem song was better than The Hands That Built America:mad:

[Lalaith]

Oh god, don't let me think of that Osgiliath thing. That part was really disturbing.

[Legolas_GreenLeaf]

ummm someone had a link to some Movie Award crap, what sort of queers vote there *damn fangirls* since when was Orlando Bloom a better supporting Actor over Sir Ian and like hell that eminem song was better than The Hands That Built America
Millane: that was the point of it!! Ian should beat orlando, thats the point of voting! eminem is in the lead too. RelaX!
and im not an obsessed fangirl by the way. ;)

[Lalaith]

Remember the MTV Movie Awards last year? I voted like one hundret times for Orlando Bloom.

[Nurvingiel]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
I'm almost positive it was Gandalf.

straight_face, I completely agree with you. You're right. Here's the quote from the book: With a suddenness that startled them all the wizard sprang to his feet. He was laughing! 'Ihave it!' he cried. 'Of course, of course! Absurdly simple, like most riddles when you see the answer.'
Picking up his staff he stood before the rock and said in a clear voice: Mellon!

Gandalf, p. 404, FotR

[Legolas_GreenLeaf]

Gandalf figured out the password, but with a hint from merry...so merry was actually correct in the first place...if that is what you are talking about.
I also agree that merry shouldn't have been the one to disturb the water, i think it was boromir who did it in the book. right?:)

[TheRingIsMine]

boromir did disturb the water in the book. i guess he'd seem too much like a dumb human if he did it in the movie.

[Nurvingiel]

Yeah, make Pippin seem like a dumb hobbit. And in the book, all he did with the well (which was in a different place, but whatever) was throw one stone in it, not an armoured skeleton. Then there was the sound of a hammer.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

I think that you are actually thinking Pippin, not Merry.

[Lalaith]

In the movie Merry and Pippin are dumb, but I don't remember Merry beeing dumb at all and Pippin wasn't that dumb. He was just not the brightest.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Right! I completely agree with you. Except that Merry isn't TOO dumb in the movie.

[Lalaith]

The way Merry and Pippin were introduced in the movie wasn't good. And the reason why they joined Frodo and Sam was even worse. It looked like they just had decided to join them and didn't really know what they were doing.
In the book their reason was really cute and brave.

[Legolas_GreenLeaf]

I agree...FoTR made merry and pippin look like they were morons...but then again, they are hobbits and they didnt really know what they were getting themselves into at the time. The Two Towers, however, makes them look more brave too..forcing the Ents to fight and everything. Anyway,
The Return of the King will show more of their true personalities...hopefully!:) ;)

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by Lalaith
The way Merry and Pippin were introduced in the movie wasn't good. And the reason why they joined Frodo and Sam was even worse. It looked like they just had decided to join them and didn't really know what they were doing.
In the book their reason was really cute and brave.

I know! it's like (not exactly, but not too far off):

Bang!
M&P: "O, Hi, Frodo! Whatcha doing?"
F: "Embarking on an epic quest to save the world by destroying the One Ring of Sauron in the Fires of Mount Doom, and going through countless hardships and obstacles on the way."
M&P: "Sounds like fun! We'll go with you!"

:rolleyes:

[Lalaith]

Bang! M&P: "O, Hi, Frodo! Whatcha doing?"
F: "Embarking on an epic quest to save the world by destroying the One Ring of Sauron in the Fires of Mount Doom, and going through countless hardships and obstacles on the way."
M&P: "Sounds like fun! We'll go with you!"
LOL

I'm really looking forward to seeing Merry helping to kill the witch king. That will make him look much braver and brighter.

[Nurvingiel]

Actually, I don't think Merry was portrayed that badly in the movie. It's Pippin's character that will strongly benefit from becoming a knight of Gondor! Ooh, I'm really looking forward to that, I love Pippin!

[Lalaith]

But they seemed a little dumb to me, I can't help.

[Melko Belcha]

I would change the title of the movies

The War of the Ring
A dumbed down simplified version of the literary masterpiece The Lord of the Rings by JRR Tolkien
Directed, Rewrote, Simplified, and Massacred by Peter Jackson
1. The Belittled Fellowship of the Ring
2. Exorcisng of the King
3. The War of the Purists

[Lalaith]

How dare you? You have forgotten to mention Arwen in the titles!!!!!!

[Nurvingiel]

How about:

The Fellowship of the Ring including Arwen
The Two Characters of Arwen and Aragorn
and
The Return of the Main Character, Aragorn.

My obvious sarcasm shouldn't indicate any dislike for the movies, because I greatly enjoyed them and didn't think they were 'massacred'. But it is good to poke fun at things to keep it in perspective.

[Lalaith]

Really funny, Nurvingiel. I like the titles.

My obvious sarcasm shouldn't indicate any dislike for the movies, because I greatly enjoyed them and didn't think they were 'massacred'. But it is good to poke fun at things to keep it in perspective.
I love sarcasm. And what you are saying is just what I'm thinking. I love both, movie and books.

[Melko Belcha]

Sorry, I sound more harsh then I meant.
And your right massacred was out of line. The reason I said that was for some of the character changes, not as much for the other changes. I see where PJ was going with some of the changes, but I feel that most failed. He says he has to cut stuff out, which I accept, but when you throw in huge long scenes that are more visual appealing than anything to do with the story or character development then to me it makes no since. I always love a good action scene but not over character development.

One scene to change.
In the theater version of Fellowship I would replace the stairway scene in Moria with the gift giving scene. IMO it has more to do with the story
In TT the whole Osgiliath scene. I felt it just didn't come off well. But they did make Osgiliath look awsome.

[Lalaith]

Yeah, Osgiliath was looking great, but it was totally out of place.

[Nurvingiel]

Originally posted by Melko Belcha
One scene to change.
In the theater version of Fellowship I would replace the stairway scene in Moria with the gift giving scene. IMO it has more to do with the story.

I agree with that, they already had a 'can-he-jump-the-gap' scene earlier with Frodo jumping onto the Buckleberry ferry.

I would have liked the gift giving scene because Gimli shows how he's really grown as a person, by asking for the three hairs. Then, in TTT, he could have squared off with Eomer over that instead of, "Give me your name horsemaster, and I will give you mine." Gimli is actually a lot more curteous than that.

[Legolas_GreenLeaf]

I agree with that, they already had a 'can-he-jump-the-gap' scene earlier with Frodo jumping onto the Buckleberry ferry.

hmm..can-he-jump-the-gap scene? that's a new one !:D

[Lalaith]

hmm..can-he-jump-the-gap scene? that's a new one !
but true

[Merry42]

I think i would remove all of the scenes with arwen in TTT. And the Love scene in FotR

[Merry42]

Give me your name horsemaster, and I will give you mine." Gimli is actually a lot more curteous than that.

Actually i think Gimli does say that

[Legolas_GreenLeaf]

yeah I think he did too...not positive though :)

[Nurvingiel]

Maybe it's time for a Two Towers re-read. Or I could pass exams. Hm...

[Kalile]

In The Two Towers, I would remove the scene where Legolas jumps on a shield and goes sliding smoothly down stairs at night in the rain, while shooting arrows into combat. That is not even remotely possible, even for an elf. Just because a lot of girls swooned and went goo-goo doesn't mean they have to be so cheesy and fake.:mad:
The whole love story was a little weird too. That whole thing was nonexistant in the book. Oh well. Most people never know the difference. *sigh*

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Maybe it's time for a Two Towers re-read. Or I could pass exams. Hm...

Bah! Who needs exams! ;)

[Lalaith]

TTT goes first!!!!! I re-read it the beek before I went to the cinema, just to be sure to catch every mistake.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Mistakes? :rolleyes: Bah, every one was purely intentional! :mad:

[Lalaith]

Yeah, I guess PJ just wanted some book-fans to die from anger.

[Legolas_GreenLeaf]

Yeah, I guess PJ just wanted some book-fans to die from anger.
PJ didn't make these movies *just* for the book fans...

I know many people who are fans of the movies and not the books...and the LotR movies wouldn't be making as much $$ if he made it *exactly* like the books...and anyway, that is impossible.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by Legolas_GreenLeaf
PJ didn't make these movies *just* for the book fans...

I know many people who are fans of the movies and not the books...and the LotR movies wouldn't be making as much $$ if he made it *exactly* like the books...and anyway, that is impossible.

He didn't these movies *at all* for the book fans?

*shrugs* Their loss. Um...there is a difference between liking an action movie and liking a literary classic.

I wouldn't expect it to be *exactly* like the books. But to sacrifice the essence and spirit of Tolkien to make more money (which it might very well have, as their are millions of fans of the books world-wide, who probably would have paid more if it had been more true to the original.

[Dúnedain]

If I could I'd remove the part where the moron sitting behind me in the theater says "It's over? That's a bad way to end it!" Gotta love it when they don't realize it has 3 parts :D

Oh, sorry didn't realize you meant the actual movie ;)

[Legolas_GreenLeaf]

lol Dúnedain
I wouldn't expect it to be *exactly* like the books. But to sacrifice the essence and spirit of Tolkien to make more money (which it might very well have, as their are millions of fans of the books world-wide, who probably would have paid more if it had been more true to the original.

True:) But there are more fans of the movies than the books, I believe.... But I just think that no one could have done better than PJ at this. He did stay as true as possible to the book fans, but, come on, that is tough job!

Everyone just criticises him because of all the very little things he didn't include in the movie (and what he did include), and the movie would be 6 hours long if he hadn't!


Anyway, the books are always better than the movies...so better to read them, than watch them. right?

[Gwaimir Windgem]

I disagree. He could have been truer to the books. The problem was priorities, which were more inclined towards monsters" and action scenes than the stuff of Tolkien's book.

[Legolas_GreenLeaf]

I disagree. He could have been truer to the books. The problem was priorities, which were more inclined towards monsters" and action scenes than the stuff of Tolkien's book.

That is true but, "monsters and action scenes" are what makes a good movie though.

I agree that Tolkien could have been better portrayed.

The action scenes are what draws the movie fans in, while books-fans can't help but enjoy seeing such a great book being on a film. So....everyone is happy. I think that was PJ's goal - To impress the book-fans AND the movie fans. if the movies only drew in the book-fans, it wouldn't have gotten as far as it has.

I don't know im just rambling now. sorry.;)

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by Legolas_GreenLeaf
1) That is true but, "monsters and action scenes" are what makes a good movie though.

2) I agree that Tolkien could have been better portrayed.

3) The action scenes are what draws the movie fans in, while books-fans can't help but enjoy seeing such a great book being on a film. So....everyone is happy. I think that was PJ's goal - To impress the book-fans AND the movie fans. if the movies only drew in the book-fans, it wouldn't have gotten as far as it has.

4) I don't know im just rambling now. sorry.;)

1) In certain types of movies, yes. But there are many movies which have no combat at all, but are very good and successful.

2) :)

3) Speak for yourself. :p I only saw TTT once. Mutilation (which I do feel was what happened with that one) of a spectacular work of literature doesn't make me, for one, 'happy'.

4) A kindred spirit! ;)

[Melko Belcha]

I fully agree with Gwaimir Windgem about other movies that have no action being successful. Look at Titanic, the story sold that movie, not action or the special effects, it was the beautifully told story. And look how good it did.

That's how I feel about the comedy to. When I go to see a serious movie and comedy is thrown in it makes me loose intrest. Some stuff in Fellowship I did kind of like, mainly the Hobbit stuff early in the movie, but after that it's out of place.

Plus Dwarves are my favorite characters of Tolkien's because in most fantasy Dwarves are always the comical ones. But Tolkien's come off as being a truely proud and stubborn race. I guess that does describe most Dwarves, but Tolkien's are unique IMO.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

O.O

The Dark Lord agrees with me. Is that a good thing? ;)

[Melko Belcha]

Don't worry about it.

After I was kick out into the Void me and Iluvatar sat down and talked over a cup of tea.

No seriously, he beat some sense into me.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Good for him! ;) So Sauron needn't have proselytized Ar-Pharazon after all? tsk, such a waste. :D

[Lalaith]

You can say what you want, I like the movies, although there are many things which could be done better. But well, I don't focus on these things and just watch the whole work together and I'm satisfied. The things that are adapted well are really good and some changes I actually do understand (although I don't like them).

[Nurvingiel]

Even so, I'm sure there's a scene you could do without.

I love the movies too, but I'd still delete the skateboarding scene.

:D

[Lalaith]

I didn't like the whole Osgiliath/Faramir is bad stuff.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

As do I. Great movies. I love the movies. I just hate the adaptations. :p

[Elvedans]

Does it have to be from TTT because there is one scene in FOTR that i don't like. I don't like the whole Saruman/Gandalf two-old-men-having-a-fisticuffs-in-a-dark-room scene. It makes me cringe, its a bit tacky with all the "uh!" "hyah!" Rah!" sound effects.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

:eek: That was one of my favorite PJ-scenes! :mad:

[Melko Belcha]

The Wizard Fight
Bilbo's freak-out in Rivendell
and Galadriel's light show

To me these are the worst scenes in Fellowship. My stomach turns everytime I see them, it's like a bad D&D knock-off.

[Elvedans]

Yuk no. I didn't mind the Osgiliath scene, it made me practically scream and jump out of my seat when frodo nearly stabbed sam! My friend had fingernail marks in her hand for about a week afterwards.

[straight_face]

I really like the part at the end where Sam is talking and it shows the various scenes of Gandalf, the Ents, etc. I especially like Gollum's hinting about Shelob... :D :D

[Legolas_GreenLeaf]

I don't know why...but TTT and the FOTR both satisfied me completely. I wouldn't remove any scenes from either of them. I don't know.... I was completely satisfied with the movies. :) It seems like I'm the only one.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

You obviously haven't read Black Breathelizer's posts. :p

[Elf Girl]

Originally posted by Legolas_GreenLeaf
I don't know why...but TTT and the FOTR both satisfied me completely. I wouldn't remove any scenes from either of them. I don't know.... I was completely satisfied with the movies. :) It seems like I'm the only one.
:eek: Be careful! You'll end up as hated as BB!

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Bah! A number of people felt that way! It was just BB's militant Jackson devotion and even more militant attitude that Jackson's movies were equal to or better than (I think the latter) Tolkien's book that made him...a bit unpopular, but I wouldn't say hated.

[Elf Girl]

Well, BoP hates him...

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Well, and LT. :p

[Legolas_GreenLeaf]

I just felt that way because I honestly thought PJ wouldn't and couldn't pull it off.


Be careful! You'll end up as hated as BB!
Who is BB?:D

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Black Breathelizer. If you dig around in this forum, I'm sure you'll find some of his posts. :) Also in GM he told us our Ent was out of date, and we needed to change it for one from the movie. :rolleyes:

[Legolas_GreenLeaf]

Oh, I see. :)