Attac of the clones

[Lalaith]

I hope anybody here is able to help me!
I really love Star Wars, but in Attac of the clones I didn't understand the purpose of the clones.
Were they produced for the good side or the evil?
I really didn't understand the whole clone thing and I think it would be necessary to know this to understand Episode III or even Episode II.

[Edro]

It confused me too, but when i saw the movie the 4th time i got it. Y'see, i think, Palpatine/Sidious had just corrupted dooku and told him to deleat kamino from the records. that was so the cloning would be secret. then dooku assassinated Jedi master Sypho-dyas. dooku went to kamino and ordered the clone army in disguise as Master Sypho-dyas.

later dooku, at sidious' command turned all the trade unions in to the Separatists. so then the situation looked desparate and palpatine got emergency powers. then he knew that he had this mighty army ready to smush the Seps. (which i bet he will) then when the Seps are smushed he just goes on and become emperor!:(

come to think of it the war would kill a bunch of jedi that would get in the way too. :eek:

[Lalaith]

Yeah, finally someone answered my question. Thank you.
I think if I read it like 10 times I'll get it. Thanks.

[Elf.Freak]

the clones are just made to follow orders, perhaps anyone's orders...:confused:

[Blackboar]

I thought Christopher Lee was soooo good in this movie!!!
They were programmed to obey ones with the dark force.

[Lalaith]

Christopher Lee seems to fit into every bad guy character. That does not mean that I don't like them.

[Lalaith]

So I guess if Palpatines badness becomes public, the clones will go with him to the dark side.

[Edro]

palpatine also probably wanted to get rid of the potentially rebellious, independant trade federations. after all, all he wants (I think) is to become the most powerful dude in the universe

[Lief Erikson]

Originally posted by Edro
palpatine also probably wanted to get rid of the potentially rebellious, independant trade federations. after all, all he wants (I think) is to become the most powerful dude in the universe

Which he'll do by defeating the Separatists. I agree with you about his ambition; it has been the lust of many past dictators in our own history.

When Palpatine's badness goes public, it won't go public as badness. It'll still seem to be good so that he can maintain his support. Only a few will recognize him for what he really is. Obi-Wan, for one, will see him for who he is. And I really wonder how that will make him think of Darth Tyrannus (Count Dooku), who actually was telling him the truth when he was imprisoned. I expect it won't have too much effect on Obi-Wan's thinking; many ill feelings have already passed between him and Tyrannus.

The clones were produced for the Republic. Palpatine is gaining control of the Republic, and he will simply take the next step, transforming the Republic into the Empire. When he does that, the clones will still be serving the same group (In their sight). They started out serving the Republic and they will continue to do so. The fact that this ruling body has undergone internal changes won't effect them- they still serve this body. And the Republic won't change that much, Palpatine has always been using slow, stealthy powers to gain control. And he always looks like what he is doing is good, which gives him all the greater power. I think that he will continue to do so, though certain individuals (Such as the Jedi Order) will recognize him for what he is and see what he is doing at last, and then they'll die fighting it.

[Lalaith]

I wonder why Palpatine didn't use the Clones in Episode II against the Jedi.

[Lief Erikson]

The Jedi are connected to the Republic and are publicly accepted as peacekeepers in the galaxy. Killing them off would be a plainly evil deed to the galaxy, and besides, the clones wouldn't accept such an order at that time. They were under the command of the Republic, not only under the command of Palpatine at that point. His power hadn't reached its point of strength and he had no reason to give the public for a mass murder.

[Elf Girl]

Originally posted by Lalaith
I wonder why Palpatine didn't use the Clones in Episode II against the Jedi.
The clones had just been ordered in Episode II, so they weren't ready.

[Lalaith]

But they will be in Episode III.
I wonder how Obi Wan Kenobi will be looking then. I hated his beard in Episode II.

[Lief Erikson]

I think he looks much better with a beard than clean shaven, personally. And I love his acting :).

[Lalaith]

Yeah, he's a good actor. I liked him most in Moulin Rouge. Especially his looks.

[The Ben]

Um, they were ment for the Republic, but since the Republic is the Empire. So in "So in AttacK of the Clones", they were build for the sith, in other words the evil.

[IronParrot]

I believe you mean she spelled "Attack" incorrectly. Now stop being a jerk. :p

[The Ben]

Yes, this is how brothers always react to each other.

[The Ben]

Um, they were ment for the Republic, but since the Republic is the Empire. So in "So in AttacK of the Clones", they were build for the sith, in other words the evil.

[gimli7410]

Originally posted by The Ben
Um, they were ment for the Republic, but since the Republic is the Empire. So in "So in AttacK of the Clones", they were build for the sith, in other words the evil.

stupid this is. you just said the same thing twice. :o jesus now i no why your a really smelly orc.



on attack of the clones i got shivers when i saw all those first clones coming to back up the jedi but the movies are a bit disapointing. i dont know what hapened to lucas. the first ones in the 70s were much better:(

[Bombadillo]

I should watch it again before I post, but it's not every day someone posts in the Star Wars forum.

So, if I remember correctly, they were supposed to be cloned from Jengo Fett to obey orders of the good guys. But then either something was sabotaged or they wer later corrupted, because the eventually became storm troopers, although that woasn't the initial intention (at least not openly).

Sorry for not clearing anything up.

[Rosie Gamgee]

I thought that a bad-guy-in-disguise-Jedi was using his reputation as a good-guy with the Talosians (or whatever aliens they are- the ones that made the clones) to get them to make a clone army.
Just thinking about this makes me confused. Because whoever it was must've been hiring Jango for A) his services as a bounty hunter, and B) the use of his genes to create all those clones. Do they ever tell you who it was in the movie? I haven't watched it in a while.

Say Bombadillo, isn't Tolkien the fantasty 'go'? :D :D

[Bombadillo]

Originally posted by Rosie Gamgee
I thought that a bad-guy-in-disguise-Jedi was using his reputation as a good-guy with the Talosians (or whatever aliens they are- the ones that made the clones) to get them to make a clone army.
Just thinking about this makes me confused. Because whoever it was must've been hiring Jango for A) his services as a bounty hunter, and B) the use of his genes to create all those clones. Do they ever tell you who it was in the movie? I haven't watched it in a while. I think you're more right than I am. And it was probably Senator Palpatine as the bad-guy-in-disguise, but I'm ont sure of that either. I remember Obi Wan and the Jedi council were surprised to hear of the army, and when Obi Wan reached the planet, he didn't really know what to expect but he was there to find out what else he was hiding.

Say Bombadillo, isn't Tolkien the fantasty 'go'? :D :D Hahaha! I thought it was you. Welcome to the Moot!

[The Ben]

Originally posted by gimli7410
stupid this is. you just said the same thing twice. :o jesus now i no why your a really smelly orc.



on attack of the clones i got shivers when i saw all those first clones coming to back up the jedi but the movies are a bit disapointing. i dont know what hapened to lucas. the first ones in the 70s were much better:(

hey! not as bad as you. Geez

[gimli7410]

Originally posted by The Ben
hey! not as bad as you. Geez



yes.....

[The Ben]

Originally posted by gimli7410
yes.....


all right, whos side are you on?

[gimli7410]

uhhhh the dark side:p

[The Ben]

Originally posted by gimli7410
uhhhh the dark side:p

uh huh. at least we're on the same side now.:rolleyes:

[azalea]

What happened to all of those threads people started after E2 came out?:confused:
Anyway, I guess I'll post this here -- I watched it again last night on HBO (that was my third time seeing it), and it made me so excited to see #3!:D Just one more year, right?
Re: the question at hand -- it is a confusing issue, and I don't even understand some of the explanations people were giving in this thread! But to put it simply, my take on it is as follows:
The bad guys ordered the clones. The good guys found out and used them against the bad guys. The thing is, the good guys and the bad guys are one and the same, except for the Jedi, because we know that Palpatine becomes the Emperor , so it really makes no difference. The war was started as a way for him to get legit ultimate power. Now all he has to do is to get rid of the Senate, which he has done in ANH. Not all of the good guys are bad guys, because they don't all know what's happening. Even most of the bad guys (ie, the Trade Federation) don't know what's really happening. They are being used; they are being set up as the "bad guys."
There is some mystery in the whole Sifo Dias (how is that spelled) in that a) did they (bad guys) use his name to order the clones (as in, someone pretended to be him) or b) had he actually ordered the clones for the bad guys (whether of not he knew they were bad at the time)? I noticed on this viewing the way Mace Windu and Yoda looked at each other very surprised and had that certain look -- I think (hope) we're going to get answers to this in E3.
I'm interested to see how they'll off Dooku and replace him with Annikin. I'm also eager to see how Luke ends up with Lars and Veru, and how Leia ends up elsewhere w/ Organa or whatever and how Vader/ Annikin didn't know about her (Padme must have them in hiding or when he's not there and splits them up or takes Leia with her somewhere -- why?), and how Obi Wan ends up on Tatooine (presumably to watch over Luke, but then of course we have that one little inconguency -- "Ben" is overcome with astonishment when Luke says R2 is looking for Obi Wan Kenobi. If he were there because of the whole thing, he wouldn't have "forgotten" who he was, he'd always be mindful of it, one would think).
There are other things, but I can't think of them off hand -- sorry to ramble, but as I said, watching it again made me think about it all.
So am I on track in my assessment of the origin of the clones?

[IronParrot]

This is actually open-ended, but the way I understand it is this:

1) There was once a Jedi by the name of Sifo-Dyas, who was killed sometime around the same timeframe as The Phantom Menace.

2) After Sifo-Dyas' death, someone using his name ordered the clone army. This could be either Palpatine or Dooku. (The theory goes that this unidentified villain killed Sifo-Dyas and then impersonated him.)

3) Also around this time, Dooku leaves the Jedi Order and starts the Separatist faction, luring in the Trade Federation as an ally (since the TF ran to him for help after their defeat in The Phantom Menace).

The setup is as follows: Dooku leads a Separatist movement, his master Sidious controls the Senate - since he is the Chancellor, of course. They create a war in Attack of the Clones - and the massive clone army sweeps in.

This leads me to propose that the construction of the clone army was predicated on two basic reasons:

a) Having the army pre-built and ready to go would mean a swift and crushing victory over the Separatists - thus consolidating the Republic/Empire without too much trouble.

b) Developing a military presence in the Republic will allow Darth Sidious to consolidate power and form the Empire, in exactly the same way as Caesar, Hitler, etc.

So in Attack of the Clones, the Jedi are working for the "bad guys" of the Classic Trilogy. As for the Separatists, Dooku is basically leading them to suicide.

By the way, it's two more years until Episode III... May 2005.

[azalea]

Originally posted by IronParrot


By the way, it's two more years until Episode III... May 2005.

:( *sniff*

Your take on the matter seems to be what I thought, too, so that assures me that I know what's going on as much as anyone. Good.:)

[gimli7410]

i cant wait till 2005, thats too long. thats like....2 years. does anyone know what the title is:confused:

[IronParrot]

Nope, there won't be a title released until probably around August or September 2004.

I know a guy who's been on set (via a friend of his who works in the props department) but I haven't asked him anything about it, since I want to go into the film with as clean a slate as possible.

[The Ben]

Originally posted by IronParrot
Nope, there won't be a title released until probably around August or September 2004.

I know a guy who's been on set (via a friend of his who works in the props department) but I haven't asked him anything about it, since I want to go into the film with as clean a slate as possible.

What? I havn't been around for a while.

[Lalaith]

But does a title really reveal much about the movie? I doubt it.

[The Ben]

Originally posted by Lalaith
But does a title really reveal much about the movie? I doubt it.

Attack of the clones did

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by The Ben
Attack of the clones did
Yah, but we know anyway how it is going to end ... just the way isn't clear yet.
But you couldn't guess too much from the fact that you knew that there would be clones.

[The Ben]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Yah, but we know anyway how it is going to end ... just the way isn't clear yet.
But you couldn't guess too much from the fact that you knew that there would be clones.

True True, thats nice.