Radagast

[Istari Aiwendil]

I was wondering if any one had any information on the location of the blue wizards(ALATAR and PALLANDO)???

[Xivigg]

I think i have

but it's from ICE gaming product so it's not cannon

i think the only cannon think you'll find is that they travel to east

[Inoldonil]

Tolkien never really drew maps of the far East, but Alatar and Pallando were somewhere over there. Have you read Of the Istari in Unfinished Tales? The Ithryn Luin were Maiar of Oromë, they traveled into the far East, it may have been their fate to stay there. According to that version they fell into evil, though 'doubtless in different ways' than Curumo. They ended up starting magic cults that outlasted the fall of Sauron.

But Tolkien's later revised idea was that Alatar and Pallando were actually Morinehtar and Rómenstamo, Darkness-slayer and East-helper, and they were largely successful, though they still passed into the East. In this latter version they came to Middle-earth in the Year of Dread in the Second Age, with Glorfindel.

[Istari Aiwendil]

ok thanx

[Morkhon]

Why is this page messed up?

[easterlinge]

So the Blue Wizards came over a long time before Gandalf, Radagast and Saruman?

If Morinehtar and Romenstamo were (partially) successful, it means the First Batch Wizards did a lot better than the Second Batch Wizards, cos they opposed Sauron before he lost his Ring, while Gandalf, Saruman and Radagast opposed him after he lost the Precious.

Of course the Blue Wizards did their early work while the Numenoreans were at peak strength, which may have helped....


Has anyone written fanfic concerning the adventures of the Ithryn Luin?

[Inoldonil]

Well, they didn't fail their task, as Aiwendil and Curumo did, so in that respect they were more successful, but otherwise they were sent with a different mission than the other three an Age later. I once quoted the relevent passages here on Entmoot. Gilthalion luckily recorded our conversation here, so, well, here it is:

. (In the revised version, Pallando and Alatar were actually Romenstamo and Morinehtar, and they came in the Second Age and were successful, save in finding Sauron's hiding place after his first death).

Alatar and Pallando were successful? In what? What did they accomplish? I'm really curious.

Here's the revised notes on the Blue Wizards: "No names are recorded for the two wizards. They were never seen or known in lands west of Mordor. The wizards did not come at the same time. Possibly Saruman, Gandalf, Radagast did, but more likely Saruman the chief (and already over mindful of this) came first and alone. Probably Gandalf and Radagast came together, though this has not yet been said. [note from Inoldonil: Gandalf says in the Hobbit that Radagast is his cousin] ... (what is most probable) ... Glorfindel also met Gandalf at the Havens. The other two are only known (have) exist(ed) [sic] by Saruman, Gandalf, and Radagast, and Saruman in his wrath mentioning five was letting out a piece of private information.

[Note from Christopher Tolkien: The reference of the last sentence is to Saruman's violent retort to Gandalf at the door of Orthanc, in which he spoke of 'the rods of the Five Wizards' (The Two Towers p. 188.) Another note is even rougher and more difficult:]

The 'other two' came much earlier, at the same time probably as Glorfindel, when matters became very dangerous in the Second Age [note 26]. Glorfindel was sent to aid Elrond and was (though not yet said) pre-eminent in the war in Eriador [note 27]. But the other two Istari were sent for a different purpose. Morinehtar and Romenstamo [note 28]. Darkness-slayer and East-helper. Their task was to circumvent Sauron: to bring help to the few tribes of Men that had rebelled from Melkor-worship, to stir up rebellion ... and after his first fall to search out his hiding place (in which they failed) and to cause [?dissension and disarray] among the dark East ... They must have had very great influence on the history of the Second Age and Third Age in weakening and disarraying the forces of East ... who would both in the Second Age and Third Age otherwise have ... outnumbered the West.

Note 26: [These notes go with the text Glorfindel II, when my father had determined that Glorfindel came to Middle-earth in the Second Age, probably about the year 1600 (p. 382).]

Note 27: [With this reference to Glorfindel's part in the war in Eriador cf. the note cited on pp. 378-9.]

Note 28: [Elsewhere on this page this name is written Rome(n)star.]"

[Inoldonil]

I suddenly realized this topic has nothing to do with The Hobbit, so I moved it to this forum. ;)