Foster Children in Middle-earth - My first topic :)

[Elenna]

My question is :

Foster children in Middle Earth. Aragorn was fostered by Elrond. Tuor was fostered by the grey-elves. Who else?

Elenna ~ Lady of the Stars

[bmilder]

Congratulations on your first topic, and becoming an Enting :) . I hope you don't mind I've altered the title of your post slightly to make it easier for people to find it.

Frodo was fostered by the Brandybucks, and later by Bilbo.

[Elenna]

No Problem ~ Thanks :)

Elenna ~ Lady of te Stars

[webwizard333]

Wasn't Tolkien a foster child, raised by a priest???

[Elenna]

Yes, actually I believe he was.


Elenna ~ Lady of the Stars

[X Rogue]

Yes, a priest named Francis Murphy, if I recall correctly.

[webwizard333]

Sounds right to me!

[Prince Faramir]

why didn't you let me add you to your friends list on yahoo messenger?

and also to keep it within topic:

eowyn and eomer fostered by theoden...

[Elenna]

Well first of all, because I have no idea who you are.

and Second, How did you get my Yahoo name, I havent posted it?

Elenna ~ Lady of the Stars

[Manwe Sulimo]

It might be in your Profile..?

[Elenna]

Ya know, I got to looking and it actually is, but not in so many words.

Sorry Prince Faramir, but if you really wanna chat use AOl please.

Elenna ~ Lady of the Stars

[Shanamir Duntak]

We don't you use ICQ?

[Elenna]

ICQ, It's a pain!

It infested my computer and dinged and buzzed all over the place for no reason. Took me months to get it all out.

And I like Aol.

Elenna ~ Lady of the Stars

[Manwe Sulimo]

:lol: I can't stand icq either, but I use it all the same(sometimes)... A friend of mine says he had to uninstall it because it went MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO every time he went online... don't see the problem myself, but...

[Elenna]

thats what it did to me, only it Moooooed about everything


Elenna

[Captain Stern]

Elrond and Elros were fostered by Maethros.

Turin was fostered by Thingol.

[Theodred]

I thought Maglor fostered Elrond and Elros.
Eowyn was also fostered by Theoden.

[Ñólendil]

Aragorn by Elrond.

[Galadriel2002]

so if tolkien wuz raised by a priest was he christian??!!?!?!

[galadriel]

yup. Tolkien was Catholic, and Middle-earth is created accordingly, so that his religion could conceivably fit in. Instead of making the Valar your typical mythological gods, he made them angel-types, with a main God, called Eru or Iluvatar. His creation story has many elements that are present in Genesis, and his thoughts on the Last Battle and Arda being remade jive with Revelation. You don't have to interpret his work that way, but if you choose to, it opens up a whole new way of looking at things.

I also remember reading about Tolkien's story about the fall of mankind, but I can't remember any of the details except what's mentioned in the Silmarillion, that they fled from some kind of darkness in the East. I think this story is in one of the books in the HoMe series, but I'm not sure.

[Ñólendil]

It's in Morgoth Ring (Vol. X), Athrabeth Finrod Ah Andreth.

[galadriel]

thanks, Inoldonil. i really want to get the HoMe series and read all these great stories I've heard about, but my library doesn't have them and I'm not eager to dish out the money to buy the books, especially when I have *more* than enough to read for English class (soon I'm gonna start reading Beowulf :eek: ) Maybe I can ask for the first couple of volumes for Christmas or something.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Here are the ones I can think of and they may have all been mentioned already.

From the Silmarillion

1. Tuor by the green elves, I think.
2. Elrond and Elros by Maglor
3. Turin by Thingol
4. And I don't know if this one counts, but Maeglor by Turgon

From LOTRs

1. Aragorn by Elrond
2. Frodo by Bilbo
3. Eomer and Eowyn by Theodon

Could someone refresh my memory as to who the two young Elves were that were abandon in the woods and never heard from again? This was in the Silmarillion, and I am having a total memory block. Thanks

[Ñólendil]

galadriel, maybe you should ask for the last few volumes instead :) Those are the ones I like best (save Lost Road And Other Writings, which contains my favourite Tolkien writing): Morgoth's Ring (X), War of the Jewels (XI) and Peoples of Middle-earth (XII).

Osellë, just a couple things: Tuor was fostered by Annael and his small Sindarin people on the edge of Hithlum and the name of Turgon's nephew was Maeglin. But I don't know if Maeglin was fostered by Turgon, he was a full-grown man when he came to the Hidden Rock. So I'd say it doesn't count.

The two young Elves were Eluréd and ElurÃ*n, the brothers of Elwing, children of Dior and Nimloth. (I possess the Hobbitish hobby of making genealogies, lately I've been very interested in the Houses of Elwë and Finwë, although I haven't yet gone into the descendants of Elros).

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Inoldonil
galadriel, maybe you should ask for the last few volumes instead :) Those are the ones I like best (save Lost Road And Other Writings, which contains my favourite Tolkien writing): Morgoth's Ring (X), War of the Jewels (XI) and Peoples of Middle-earth (XII).

Osellë, just a couple things: Tuor was fostered by Annael and his small Sindarin people on the edge of Hithlum and the name of Turgon's nephew was Maeglin. I knew that about Turgon's nephew's name, but I don't know how I came up with Maeglor. Duh! Sorry.

[Ñólendil]

I thought it a bit odd that one with such a hazy memory would recall so precisely matters relating to Thingol and his apparent murder of Finrod. :p

Possibly your inner mind remembered Maglor, or his earlier name Maelor. You probably combined Maeglin and Maglor.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Inoldonil
I thought it a bit odd that one with such a hazy memory would recall so precisely matters relating to Thingol and his apparent murder of Finrod. :p

Possibly your inner mind remembered Maglor, or his earlier name Maelor. You probably combined Maeglin and Maglor. Hazy memory? Explain. :mad: I never said he murdered Finrod. Ahhh, so you admit he had a hand in Finrod's death? :rolleyes:

[galadriel]

Good idea; I've heard a lot of good stuff about X and XII, and it stands to reason that I should get XI as well.

Hey Inoldonil, I'm a geneology lover too. It's one of my weirdest habits. Sometimes when I'm bored I find myself sketching out the ancestries of Earendil and Elwing, or discovering that Elrond is Celeborn's second cousin twice removed as well as his great-grand-nephew....

Did I mention that I've had way too much free time this summer? :)

[Ñólendil]

'I thought it a bit odd that one with such a hazy memory ... '; i.e., it didn't make sense you would remember so many things about Thingol and Finrod (precisely), but forget Aredhel's son was Maeglin (not Maeglor). And indeed, you didn't forget and 'Maeglor' was just a casual slip of some sort. The 'murder' comment was just a joke at your expense. I know you didn't say that, but it doesn't mean I can't push your buttons ;)

Well met galadriel! No, you didn't mention that, but we're in the same boat! Second cousin twice removed? Hmm. Let me see, Lúthien and Galadhon are first cousins, so Dior and Celeborn are second cousins, which means Elwing and CelebrÃ*an are third cousins, which means Elrond is his children's fourth cousin. Yeah, I guess that's second cousin twice removed. Great-grand-nephew ... Celeborn's niece is Nimloth and her daughter is Elwing, Celeborn grandnephew, so, yep, Elrond is his great-grand-nephew. I guess I never looked at Celeborn and Elrond's relationship before. Have you noted that Galadriel and Celeborn are second cousins?

There's a later text published partly in Unfinished Tales and partly in Peoples of Middle-earth, where Celeborn is a Telerin Elf and grandson of Olwë. I am inclined to believe JRR Tolkien did not realize he had made Celeborn and Galadriel first cousins* in light of how that is viewed in other relationships, such as Maeglin and Idril, or Tar-MÃ*riel and Tar-Calion. I also don't accept that text because the author had undoubtedly forgotten that Celeborn was stated to be a Sindarin Elf of Doriath in Road Goes Ever On and the Appendices to the Lord of the Rings. Also that text has it that Galadriel could have returned after the War of Wrath, but chose not to, whereas in Road Goes Ever On there's a ban set upon her return. The Elmo descent is definitely better.

*Technically hey could have been brother and sister, but there's no way Tolkien intended him to be a son of Eärwen!

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Inoldonil
'I thought it a bit odd that one with such a hazy memory ... '; i.e., it didn't make sense you would remember so many things about Thingol and Finrod (precisely), but forget Aredhel's son was Maeglin (not Maeglor). And indeed, you didn't forget and 'Maeglor' was just a casual slip of some sort. The 'murder' comment was just a joke at your expense. I know you didn't say that, but it doesn't mean I can't push your buttons ;) Fair enough. Wiat til I find some buttons of yours to push. Mr.Funny guy.:p :D

[galadriel]

Yup, I noticed the second cousin thing. And I've read about the Celeborn=Telerin elf concept in Unfinished Tales. But I certainly never realized that this made them first cousins!! That's pretty funny. This fact must have slipped past Tolkien, since he *definitely* would not view it as acceptable.

I don't think that Tolkien actually forgot his previous statements about Celeborn. He was just dismissing them and playing around with other possibilities. If he had ditched the concept of Celeborn coming from Doriath, he probably would've updated the Appendix of LOTR (having already revised it once) and, hopefully, changed Celeborn's descent!!