Accents

[Eowyn, Lady of Rohan]

I noticed that Pipin has a sort of scottish accent. Sam has a strong accent, and Frodo has a soft accent. (I think Elijah Wood is terrible at English accents) :p

[Gwaimir Windgem]

He certainly is bad at rolling his Elvish 'r's. :rolleyes:

[Dunadan]

Yeah, I noticed that. Pippin is Scots, Merry and Sam are West Country, Frodo is posh. Where are all the Irish and Welsh in Middle-Earth??

[Gwaimir Windgem]

In Middle-Wales and Middle-Ireland. ;)

[Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn]

pippins is sooo big, in the xtended scene where the hobbits are singing,you cant understan wut hes saying!

[Shadowfax]

There were different regions of the Shire.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Not very big ones; it was a small country.

[Gorhiriel]

Aragorn also has a bit of an accent

[Diamond]

If you have ever seen the version of "Oliver Twist" where Elijah Wood plays the Dodger, you will thank your lucky stars that his accent improved from then to now. I don't know accents (to me English is English, Irish is Irish, Scottish is Scottish, and Welsh is Welsh and sometimes I even mix some up >_<), but believe me... Elijah Wood's has improved times one hundred at least.

Of course... like my band director says, one hundred times zero is still zero... :-X

Di

[BeardofPants]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Not very big ones; it was a small country.

IIRC, it is the size of England. Not that small... plus, look at the regional variation of England.

[Lanelf]

Wow. I didn't know such different accents could evolve, or whatever, in the space of the Shire! Of course, this is coming from a person that everyone keeps saying has a slight English accent. And used to have a lisp. And has NEVER LEFT AUSTRALIA.
And Aragorn's accent - probably came from wandering all over the place and picking up a bit of accent here, a bit there, etc.
Lanelf.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Though he grew up in Rivendell.

Yes, but England is an island; while I'm no expert, I would think that being cut off from other cultures would cause "subcultures" to grow up in the country.

[Dunadan]

I really liked the way they did the accents. Note that the Elves all had pretty much the same accent: their immortality presumably meaning that language did not fragment in the same way. However, the hobbits, being much more settled and "of the earth", all have different accents. Similarly, those men of Numenorean descent have similar accent to the Elves. It might also account for Frodo's "elvish air" that he spoke like them.

Maybe they could've given the Rohirrim a different way of speaking (Eomer: "G'day mate. Got any stubbies in that eskie?)

What accent should they have given them?

cheers

d.

[BeardofPants]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem


Yes, but England is an island; while I'm no expert, I would think that being cut off from other cultures would cause "subcultures" to grow up in the country.

It might as well have been an island. Do you see any other cultures traipsing through the Shire? After Aragorn rose to the throne, it was expressly forbidden for men to enter into the Shire. Your point is rather moot.

[Miranda]

Originally posted by Dunadan
I really liked the way they did the accents. Note that the Elves all had pretty much the same accent: their immortality presumably meaning that language did not fragment in the same way. However, the hobbits, being much more settled and "of the earth", all have different accents. Similarly, those men of Numenorean descent have similar accent to the Elves. It might also account for Frodo's "elvish air" that he spoke like them.

Maybe they could've given the Rohirrim a different way of speaking (Eomer: "G'day mate. Got any stubbies in that eskie?)

What accent should they have given them?

cheers

d.

Well on a drunken night in Newcastle we thought the Rohirrim would make wonderful geordies! Well my insane best mate and I do have some strange notions! Mx

[Millane]

i dunno bout everyone elses accent but they deliberately had Pippin keep his accent... ill have to post later coz a mate has my dvd but they said somewhere in the Directors commentary about it.

[Dwarven Sen]

Billy Boyd is the most eligible man in scotland. I'm going to go to uni there. :D
Why do they say morrrrrrrrdorrrrrrrrr? I've been informed that most americans find it easier to do an irish accent than a scottish, welsh or english, why?
I never imagined arwen would speak elvish with an irish accent.

[Miranda]

Originally posted by Dwarven Sen
Billy Boyd is the most eligible man in scotland. I'm going to go to uni there. :D
Why do they say morrrrrrrrdorrrrrrrrr? I've been informed that most americans find it easier to do an irish accent than a scottish, welsh or english, why?
I never imagined arwen would speak elvish with an irish accent.

Maybe its because quite a few of the settlers in AMerica were of Irish origin. Also southern Irish is far softer and easier to imitate than Scottish or Welsh. As for english, I would imagine it could be easier but then it depends on what accent. The West Country accent is actually closer to the american dialect than anything else so my drama teacher tells me- maybe that's why Sean A was so good as Sam! Mx

[FrodoFriend]

There is actually an explanation of Middle Earth accents in the Appendices, and I think it's pretty cool that they represented this in the movies too. In this case it's a "Good one, PJ!" from me. The Shire was sort of an equivalent to England, and their speech is said in LotR to sound strange, different from the Westron of other peoples.

[Dwarven Sen]

Still sounds funny to me.

[Dunadan]

Originally posted by Miranda
Well on a drunken night in Newcastle we thought the Rohirrim would make wonderful geordies! Well my insane best mate and I do have some strange notions! Mx
You've got it! "Whyaye min, ur ye lukkin at me sizta like?"

BTW, Scotland isn't in England:rolleyes:

Sean Astin's accent was indeed really well done.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by BeardofPants
It might as well have been an island. Do you see any other cultures traipsing through the Shire? After Aragorn rose to the throne, it was expressly forbidden for men to enter into the Shire. Your point is rather moot.

It certainly seemed to me to have pretty well constant contact with Bree. Elves, Dwarves, etc. are recorded as travelling across the Shire. While I'm sure it wasn't exactly a center of cultural diversity, it wasn't an island.

[BeardofPants]

I didn't say it was an island -- I said it might as well have been. But I'll just repeat FF's post here for convenience:

Originally posted by FrodoFriend
There is actually an explanation of Middle Earth accents in the Appendices, and I think it's pretty cool that they represented this in the movies too. In this case it's a "Good one, PJ!" from me. The Shire was sort of an equivalent to England, and their speech is said in LotR to sound strange, different from the Westron of other peoples.

[Eowyn, Lady of Rohan]

I never noticed Aragorn had an accent. Elrond and arwen sort of do.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

I meant a cultural island.

Yes, their speech sounded different from 'normal' Westron, but I don't think it said they had several different dialects in the Shire, did it?

[shirefarmer]

where did i read that they "chose" billy boyd and his scottish accent (mmmmmm scotland) because pippins ancester Bullroarer "invented" golf and because golf was invented in scotland. if that makes any sense, if it does its pretty clever.

:D :D :D :D

[Gorhiriel]

Good one Shirefarmer! I didn't know that!

[Draken]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dunadan
[B]You've got it! "Whyaye min, ur ye lukkin at me sizta like?"


Theoden: Howay mon! Wor Saruman's fair canny, like!
Eomer: Ya divven't knaa? He gans doon Stadium o Light!
Theoden: Ee's a ****in' red an' white? I'll ****in' **** 'im!

[Insidious Rex]

Originally posted by Draken
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dunadan
[B]You've got it! "Whyaye min, ur ye lukkin at me sizta like?"


Theoden: Howay mon! Wor Saruman's fair canny, like!
Eomer: Ya divven't knaa? He gans doon Stadium o Light!
Theoden: Ee's a ****in' red an' white? I'll ****in' **** 'im!

Hey is this the same dialect that John Cleese uses in the Cheese Shop sketch?

[Draken]

Only ever seen that sketch once and it was a long time ago. Don't remember Cleese ever doing a Geordie accent but could be wrong!

[Insidious Rex]

Originally posted by Draken
Only ever seen that sketch once and it was a long time ago. Don't remember Cleese ever doing a Geordie accent but could be wrong!

Well he only has a few lines where he actually sounds like that. For the most part hes playing this snotty chatty over educated fellow who is trying to buy some cheese in a cheese shop that doesnt have any cheese. Have a look at this and youll see what I mean: THE CHEESE SHOP SKETCH (http://www.ironworks.com/comedy/python/cheeshop.htm)

[Dunadan]

Definitely not being a Geordie in the Cheese Shop sketch. IIRC, that accent was a posh-ish southern English one; the one he lapses into is supposed to be Yorkshire, I think.

LOL, Draken. What a hoot.

Eomer: Waaats this? An elf, a man anna dwaarf, aall dressed up furra sat'day neet.?
Aragorn: I say, old chap, whom do you serve?
Eomer: Ah serve mesel ah doo, anall help mesel tae yor heed if ye dinna watch ya lip, ya suthun bastaad ye.

[Draken]

Witch King: "Hinder me? Thou fool. No living man may hinder me."
Eomer: Is wor callin wor lass a lad?
Eowyn: Ee ****in' is an' aall.
Eomer: Howay pet, bray the soft gobshite.

(A few seconds later)

Eomer: Howay Eowyn mon, ee's dissolved, like. Ee's ad enough pet, jus' walk away.
Eowyn: Why aye mon. Light wor a tab, pet.

[samwise of the shire]

I've been informed that most americans find it easier to do an irish accent than a scottish, welsh or english, why? I find that the Scottish accent is easier to do than an Irish accent...something about the r's...not as trilly in the Scottish accent as they are in an Irish Accent.
I never imagined arwen would speak elvish with an irish accent.
No I dont think she would've Dwarven Sen because she was a princess, and probably wouldn't have spoken in a rustic dialect...it would seem to me that someone like Sam, or maybe Frodo would have something like an Irish accent because they're from the country and more rustic and what not...Arwen is more noble...not as countrylike I guess...just the elvish thing I guess.
Cheers,
Sam
ps. the Cockney accent is one of the hardest accents to do...so you have to give Elijah a break, he did his best with "Oliver Twist".

[BeardofPants]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Yes, their speech sounded different from 'normal' Westron, but I don't think it said they had several different dialects in the Shire, did it?

Well there was certainly a differentiation between the classes in terms of accents, and culture.

Please note that I never mentioned dialects. I was talking about culture. And while I don't think the distinctions were as great as modern day England, I certainly think there was some differences between the different farthings, and particularly between Hobbiton and Buckland.

[Dwarven Sen]

Originally posted by BeardofPants
It might as well have been an island. Do you see any other cultures traipsing through the Shire? After Aragorn rose to the throne, it was expressly forbidden for men to enter into the Shire. Your point is rather moot.

Cool! MOOT POINT!!

sorry that was off topic, Thank you to everyone telling me i was being silly about the irish accents of americans and irsh not being nobility, i actually do appreciate it.

off topic again- there is actually another thread called accents and i'm getting dammned confused again.

[sun-star]

I'm sure you can have noble Irish people. But Arwen probably wouldn't have had the accent of a rural Irish peasant :)

BTW, what kind of accent is Gimli supposed to have in the film?

[Dwarven Sen]

Scottish? vaguely anyway.Yer full of suprises mr bagg'ns

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Miranda
Maybe its because quite a few of the settlers in AMerica were of Irish origin.

Quite a few of the settlers were also Scotish as well. For instance a lot of those that settled the country side, specifically in western Virginia (which all western land was considered Virginia, hehe :D) were known as the "Scotch-Irish"...

Ahhhhhhhh my History degree has done something for me afterall :D

[Lanelf]

Like Dunadan said, Sean Astin's accent was well done - except for a sentence or so in Rivendell, when he's talking to Frodo about how "We did what Gandalf wanted, didn't we?" He sounds quite different there - but I guess everyone has their off days.
Hee hee... Sean Astin... *wanders off like a fangirl*
Lanelf.

[Andúril]

We seem to be forgetting Astin's accent in the lines:"What are you doing? Those wraiths are still out there!