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Elyse610
09-12-2000, 11:28 PM
Since ents and men were the 2 original first races, where did the hobbits come from? Are they their own species or a mixed breed?
L@ur@y Elven Warrior
02-25-2003, 02:29 PM
Sorry I can't help you
Laurus Nobilis
02-25-2003, 02:48 PM
Tolkien said that hobbits are a sub-species of humans or something of the like. I can't remember where I've read it, though- I *think* it was in the Letters.

You probably can find the actual quote in an online Tolkien FAQ, though.
Sister Golden Hair
02-25-2003, 02:57 PM
Laurus Nobilis is correct. Hobbits are a sub-race of Men.

Moving to the Hobbit forum.
:)
gimli7410
02-25-2003, 09:20 PM
i just read that in the appendixes but i cant remember it so check the appendixes of the books in the back:)
Beleg Strongbow
02-26-2003, 09:31 AM
What does this have to do with the book: The Hobbit? This should be in the Middle Earth forum because it's not about the book, but the race.
Lord Manafirogh
02-26-2003, 04:06 PM
Who created them?
One of the valar?
Sister Golden Hair
02-26-2003, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by Beleg Strongbow
What does this have to do with the book: The Hobbit? This should be in the Middle Earth forum because it's not about the book, but the race. I think it fits better in the Hobbit forum.:p
Sister Golden Hair
02-26-2003, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by Lord Manafirogh
Who created them?
One of the valar? Hobbits were a sub-race of Men. Men were created by Iluvatar. As far as I know, the Valar were not capable of creation.
Lord Manafirogh
02-26-2003, 04:40 PM
Hobbits were a sub-race of Men. Men were created by Iluvatar. As far as I know, the Valar were not capable of creation.
I though aule created the dwarfs. I think one of the valar created the hobbits but they didn't have the power so they came out small.:D
Sister Golden Hair
02-26-2003, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by Lord Manafirogh
I though aule created the dwarfs. I think one of the valar created the hobbits but they didn't have the power so they came out small.:D Aule did create the dwarves, and that was a no no. They were not of free will though until Iluvatar gave them life. He then placed them in a deep slumber until the coming of his children.
Lord Manafirogh
02-28-2003, 03:02 PM
yeah thats my point the can create people but they need promition from illuvatar. Hobbits just came out of no where.
Alquagarwaen
03-06-2003, 07:29 PM
The firsts that awake were the elves, and they awake to the ents,
then, lot of time later, the men awake in Numenore.
About hobbits is nothing about`em in LOTR, the Silmarillion, or Unfinished Tales, but they awake in the 3rd age, after the first war against Sauron.That is all what I know about their creation.

Respectfully...
Alquagarwaen.
"Barûk Khazad! Khazad aimênu!!"
cian
04-08-2003, 08:07 AM
'The beginning of Hobbits lies far back in the Elder Days that are now lost and forgotten. Only the Elves still preserve any records of that vanished time ... (...) ... Yet it is clear that Hobbits had, in fact, lived quietly in Middle-earth for many long years before other folk even became aware of them.' ~JRRT FOTR

And:

'It is plain indeed that in spite of later estrangement Hobbits are relatives of ours (...) but what exactly our relationhip is can no longer be discovered.' ~JRRT FOTR

In Tolkien's letters he states things more plainly: that Hobbits were a diminutive branch of the human race.

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