The Eowyn Thread

[Black Breathalizer]

Last year, I read a whole bunch of "hand-wringing" posts about how Jackson was soon going to be trashing Eowyn's character in TTT. Well, now that TTT is out, I think it's clear that Eowyn's portrayal was nothing short of brilliant.

Just like the books, Jackson was able to communicate Eowyn's growing attraction to Aragorn without turning it into the "love triangle" garbage that some of you fangirls and fanboys were complaining about last fall.

Miranda Otto, the actress who played Eowyn, was wonderful too. Next to Gollum, she probably had the most memorable moments in the film.

I'd be really interested to see if any of you who had concerns or doubts about Eowyn's portrayal last fall would now agree that -- at least in this area -- Peter Jackson nailed it.

[Millane]

i dunno that damn sword swinging... she was supposed to be a good fighter samwise had the moves and he was just a normal hobbit gardener...
i know i will get my head litterally hacked off into bite sized peices but if Eowyn does really fight like that i would prefer to see Arwen slay that WitchKing... she holds a sword with style;)

come to think of it she anoyred me another time aswell.. she patted Gimli like he was a pet or somethng:p

apart from that she was excellent and might i be so bold a tad attractive;)

[Lalaith]

I just have to say that Miranda Otto as Eowyn was brilliant. I can say nothing bad about her work. She looks cold and lonely sometimes and then, when she smiles you see her total beauty.

[SamwiseGamgee]

I could not agree more. I was very skeptical about how Peter Jackson was going to portray Eowyn (i.e. if he was going to make up some ridiculous love story). However, after seeing the movie a few times, I feel that he did an excellent job. I feel that taking the "I fear nothing" type quote that was in Return of the King and putting it in Two Towers was a really good move on Jackson's part, as it helps the audience get a better sense of her character, whose bravery, as many of us who've read the books now, plays a critical role in Return of the King.

[Millane]

Welcome Samwise...
i couldnt agree with you more except that she should have a bit of swordskill to go with that Bravery...
btw i know this was in an old thread somewhere but how was PJ gunna get Merry to stab the Witch king without his elvish knife??

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Millane
but how was PJ gunna get Merry to stab the Witch king without his elvish knife??

Well, upon them meeting back up with Aragorn, Legolas & Gimli, I would suspect that in RotK when that happens, they will give him back his sword. If you remember, in FotR they were dropped when the Uruk's picked them up....

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Why do I have the distinct feeling you would have said the same thing if he'd made her a scullion maid, and Grima's sex toy? :rolleyes:

[Lady of Rohan]

I thought that Miranda Otto did a teriffic job playing Eowyn! I agree, it was a good idea to put the "I fear nothing" quote in the moviw!

[Lalaith]

I'm looking forward to seeing how PJ is going to introduce the fact, that no man could ever kill the witch-king.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

That said, I also think that she was pretty well portrayed. But I didn't really expect her to be poorly portrayed, so then my opinion isn't what you're looking for.

[BeardofPants]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Why do I have the distinct feeling you would have said the same thing if he'd made her a scullion maid, and Grima's sex toy? :rolleyes:

LOL! :D Good one. :)

[Sylvee Estel]

I liked how Eowyn was potrayed. She is now one of my favorite characters. My friend didn't like her in the books, but after seeing her in the movie she decided she liked her after all. So if that shows anything... I also really really loved her dress! I want it!

[straight_face]

When I was reading the Return of the King for a third time (I think), I came upon a very familiar topic between Eowyn and Aragorn. Check this out:
'Shall I always be chosen?' she said bitterly. 'Shall I always be left behind when the Riders deart, to mind the house while they win renown, and find food and beds when they return?'
'A time may come,' said he, 'when none will return. Then there will be no need of valour without renown, for none shall remember the deeds that are done in the last defence of your homes. Yet the deeds will not be less valiant because they are unpraised.'
And she anwered: 'All your words are but to say: you are a woman, and your part is in the house. But when the men have died in battle and honour, you may leave to be burned in the house, for the men will need it no more. But I am of the House of Eorl and not a swerving-woman. I can ride and wield blade, and I do not fear either pain or death.'
'What do you fear, lady?' he asked.
'A cage,' she said. 'To stay behind bars, until use and old age accept them, and all chance of doing great deeds is gone beyond recall or desire.'

Did you catch those last lines? Keeping in mind that this was in the Return of the King also, after the battle at Helm's Deep and before the Paths of the Dead. I understand Peter Jackson's way of moving lines to other people and switching them around often, but this caught my eye.

[azalea]

I thought Eowyn was portrayed very well. However, I do think when the people of Rohan were going to Helm's Deep that her "Ice Maiden-ness" slipped too much. She was smiling and laughing, etc., and I had always pictured her as staying with the ice maiden thing until Faramir warmed her heart. That being said, the change didn't really bother me, it was just something I noticed. I think it was done to better show her attraction to Aragorn, but I think it could have been more subtle -- a flash of the eyes, a look, etc.

[Jonathan]

Originally posted by Lalaith
I'm looking forward to seeing how PJ is going to introduce the fact, that no man could ever kill the witch-king. Yeah, Éowyn challenging the Witch-King will be one of the highlights of RotK. It is one of my favourite parts in the whole trilogy of LotR. I'm looking forward to see Merry help Éowyn too.

[Legolaslvr!]

Yeah Miranda Otto did a great job of playing Eowyn:)

[Lalaith]

I think it was done to better show her attraction to Aragorn, but I think it could have been more subtle -- a flash of the eyes, a look, etc.

You have to think of all the dumb movie goers around the world. They would not understand subtile hints. Like they would not, if Arwen had that small part in the movie, that she had in the book.
I mean, you have to read carefull and between the lines to realize in the first two books, that Aragorn and Arwen are together.
That's nothing for stupid people.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Hey now, don't be rude to moviegoers! A bunch of my friends are moviegoers!

[Elfhelm]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Why do I have the distinct feeling you would have said the same thing if he'd made her a scullion maid, and Grima's sex toy? :rolleyes:

Yeah, this BB guy just digs a trench, settles in, spouts some unsupportable opinion, and defends it with insults. I think he does more harm to PJ's reputation than good with his intractable posturing.

[Elfhelm]

Also, this should not be title "The Eowyn Thread" because there are many threads concerning Eowyn. This is a thread that wants to entitled "Argue with Black Breathalizer some more, this time dragging Miranda Otto into the mess". bah!

We have many more worthy Eowyn threads and none of them deserves the specific article.

[Lalaith]

Hey now, don't be rude to moviegoers! A bunch of my friends are moviegoers!
I didn't mean to upset anybody. I'm a moviegoer myself. I just love movies and a lot of my friends do. But there are still moviegoers who have never read a book before or are just dumb and should only go to movies with no difficult parts. There are a lot of people who would be intelligent enough to understand hints.
So: no offence to anybody, I talk about really dumb people and not every moviegoer.

[Evenstar1400]

okay getting back on topic here....... yeah i did catch those lines in ROTK..... actually just this morning when i was reading in spanish class (and thank god we had a study hall cause i was getting to the good parts of the book!)

[Lalaith]

okay getting back on topic here....... yeah i did catch those lines in ROTK..... actually just this morning when i was reading in spanish class (and thank god we had a study hall cause i was getting to the good parts of the book!)
Okay, as you are currently reading the book, which is your favourite Eowyn line, which you'd love to hear in the movie?

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Book spoiler:

For living or dark undead, I will smite you, if you touch him.

[barrelrider110]

To me, this quote sums up the essence of Éowyn:"All your words are but to say: you are a woman, and your part is in the house. But when the men have died in battle and honour, you have leave to be burned in the house, for the men will need it no more. But I am of the House of Eorl and not a serving-woman. I can ride and wield blade, and I do not fear either pain or death."
I too thought Miranda Otto's performance was nothing short of brilliant.

[eowyngirl14]

Eowyn is one of my favorite charecters. I am sooo happy they did such a good job on her. I really love her 'I fear neith pain nor death' line in the movie and the rest of that scene even if it is not in the movie. I am not sure what my favorite line in the book of hers is... I really like the way she is described though... something about a white lily being cold with dew... very brilliant...


I WILL SCREAM IF ARWEN KILLS THE WITCHKING! I WILL STORM OUT OF THE THEATER SCREAMING MY HEAD OFF!! (I don't care how much I embaress you evenstart1400):) :)

[Jonathan]

Originally posted by eowyngirl14 I WILL SCREAM IF ARWEN KILLS THE WITCHKING! I WILL STORM OUT OF THE THEATER SCREAMING MY HEAD OFF!!That would be catastrophic. I devote my life to hunting down Peter Jackson if he let that happen :D

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Jonathan
That would be catastrophic. I devote my life to hunting down Peter Jackson if he let that happen :D

lol... which? Arwen kills the witchking? or I run out of the theater screaming like a banshee?:) :)

[Celebréiel]

Im holding on to the hope that somewhere either on this thread or another, someone mentioned that Miranda Otto said that she (her character ;) ) kills the witchking. My last little shred of hope for PJ is that he gets that part good. Yeah,I agree, I think I would honestly get up and leave the theater too if Arwen peeks her head in there. :p
~Celebréiel

[Jonathan]

Originally posted by eowyngirl14
lol... which? Arwen kills the witchking? or I run out of the theater screaming like a banshee?:) :) LOL, I was thinking of Arwen :D
But if you started "screaming like a banshee" I would take that as a sign of Arwen appearing, and I would hunt Jackson down.
'Shh, I'm not hunting wabbitz, I'm hunting Petew Jacksons'

[Lalaith]

Im holding on to the hope that somewhere either on this thread or another, someone mentioned that Miranda Otto said that she (her character ) kills the witchking.
God, thank you. I would also scream in the cinema and that would be a thing which I would not frogive PJ. He wouldn't be one of my idols any more if he did that.
Eowyn killing the witch-king. Hopefully one of the highlights of RotK.

[Balrog_of_Morgoth]

I too was very surprised at the quality. I never gave Eowyn much thought in the books. I didn't really care for her. Actually, I was always mildly disappointed that a character that Tolkien built up so much, such a terrifying figure, was destroyed so easily.

The movie version has really brought her to life for me. She did a fantastic job of showing the emotions of the role. I hope they do a good job of her showdown with the Lord of the Nazgul. I'm certain that she did her part, I just hope the script was written well...

[Black Breathalizer]

Eowyn and Merry's confrontation with the Lord of the Nazgul is one of my most anticipated scenes from the entire 3 movie trilogy. And for the record, even I will enthusiastically bash Peter Jackson if Arwen replaces Eowyn there. :D

[Coney]

Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
Eowyn and Merry's confrontation with the Lord of the Nazgul is one of my most anticipated scenes from the entire 3 movie trilogy. And for the record, even I will enthusiastically bash Peter Jackson if Arwen replaces Eowyn there. :D

:eek: :eek: :eek:

*THUD*

*climbs to feet*

BB you've just restored my faith in human nature:)

[cassiopeia]

*SPOILERS*

I would bet a lot of money against Arwen killing the Witchking. PJ does change certain things from the book, but surely he wouldn't change this. Eowyn has to kill the Witchking, IMO. What else will she do? I doubt the only think she would do in the movies is marry Faramir. That's not part of her character. She is a fiesty young women. They let Arwen confront the Nazgul, surely they can give Eowyn some action.
And, of course Miranda Otto is fantastic, after all, she's an Aussie. :D

[BeardofPants]

Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
And for the record, even I will enthusiastically bash Peter Jackson if Arwen replaces Eowyn there. :D

I think I just died of shock. :eek: ;)

[Lalaith]

I wonder if the wedding of Faramir and Eowyn will be in the movie.

[eowyngirl14]

I hope the have the scene where Faramir kisses Eowyn when they are stnading on the castle wall thingy... that was one of my favorite scenes! :) (Faramie should have had black hair!)

[Lalaith]

I hope the have the scene where Faramir kisses Eowyn when they are stnading on the castle wall thingy... that was one of my favorite scenes! (Faramie should have had black hair!)
I loved that part. It was that romantic. When I read it I just thought, who says Tolkien isn't romantic.
I love this part. I has to be included in the movie.

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Lalaith
I loved that part. It was that romantic. When I read it I just thought, who says Tolkien isn't romantic.
I love this part. I has to be included in the movie.

I agree completly!:) :D :)

[Jonathan]

Originally posted by eowyngirl14
I hope the have the scene where Faramir kisses Eowyn when they are stnading on the castle wall thingy... that was one of my favorite scenes! :) (Faramie should have had black hair!) That is one of my favourite scenes as well! I was inspired by that part when I wrote my signature (look at the bottom of this message).
I remember being very confused when I saw that David Wenham, who plays Faramir didn't have black hair. I mentioned his "wrong" hair colour in the "SPOTTED MISTAKES!" thread (http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6501&perpage=20&highlight=faramir%20black%20hair&pagenumber=7). Fortunately, Éowyn was blonde in the movie :D

[azalea]

Yeah, they had wigs and/ or hair dye for almost everyone else, it seems like they could have done that for him! But he still looked good;) .

[eowyngirl14]

Yeah, he looked good, just different than I had expected him too!:) :)

[Elvedans]

But he had feminine eyes!

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Elvedans
But he had feminine eyes!

lol... that's funny! I didn't notice his feminine eyes... oh well, guess I'll have to see it again!:D

[Jonathan]

Originally posted by Elvedans
But he had feminine eyes! What's wrong with feminine eyes? :D I think it suits him in a way. It makes him look differently compared to his brother Boromir.

[Lalaith]

Hey, nothing bad about David Wenham playing Faramir. If he has feminine eyes he looks just as good as without (I did not notice that either).
but I think that David Wenham looks much prettier as Faramir than as "himself". And ... has anybody here seen Moulin Rouge? He plays this queen ... very funny compared to Faramir.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

But in the book, he and his men are described as distinctly reminding Frodo of Boromir; in the movie, they are more like Aragorn.

[Elvedans]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Hey, nothing bad about David Wenham playing Faramir. If he has feminine eyes he looks just as good as without (I did not notice that either).
but I think that David Wenham looks much prettier as Faramir than as "himself". And ... has anybody here seen Moulin Rouge? He plays this queen ... very funny compared to Faramir.

I didn't know DW was in Moulin Rouge. Are you sure we're thinking of the same one? There isn't a queen in the one I'm thinking of. Are you talking about the old one or the new one?

[BeardofPants]

Yeah, he's in there:

http://us.imdb.com/Title?0203009

[Elvedans]

WOW I didn't know Audrey was DW! HA HA HAAAA how cool is that - Faramir the drag queen! HA HA HAAAA!

[BeardofPants]

I have to watch it again; I don't remember who Audrey was. :rolleyes:

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Hmm, does anyone know where I can find a picture of this Audrey character? I must confess this is intriguing. Faramir as a lady? :eek:

[Diamond]

Audry was the lyricist in the beginning of the film who got really hacked off when the rest suggested that he and Christian work together to write "Spectacular, Spectacular"... that is hilarious. I can't stop laughing over that. :p

What's wrong with feminine eyes? I think it suits him in a way. It makes him look differently compared to his brother Boromir.

I liked Faramir in the movie. I thought they did a good job with him. He and Boromir looked alike, but different. If that makes any sense. They looked like brothers, but different enough. I'm going to stop there before I end up saying something I didn't mean.

I can't wait for the Faramir/Éowyn in RotK... I really loved it in the book, and I hope they do a good job of that in the movie. :D

Di

[Lalaith]

Yeah, there must be a huge similarity between Boromir and Faramir in the movies. I knew that Boromir died and would not come again but his brother would appear but I know some people who irritated their similar look. My cousins were like:
Yeah, we saw a trailer. Gandolf and Boromir come back
and I was like: Gandolf - yes. But not Boromir thats just his brother Faramir.

[Lalaith]

http://david-wenham.net/misc/misc58.jpg

As wanted a picture of georgeous David Wenham as Audrey.

[Lalaith]

http://david-wenham.net/misc/misc43.jpg

I thought that was very funny, too.

[Black Breathalizer]

I should have NEVER looked at that pic. I'll never be able to look at Faramir the same way again. :)

Based on that photo, here's my guess at how they hook up in the next movie:

Faramir: What do you fear m'lady?

Eowyn: A cage. And you, m'lord?

Faramir: A stain on my satin dress.

Eowyn: Omigod. I would have never guessed. Did you know that I like to dress up as A MAN and wield a sword?

Faramir: (nodding his head knowingly) I think at last we understand each other, Eowyn of Rohan.

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
I should have NEVER looked at that pic. I'll never be able to look at Faramir the same way again. :)

Based on that photo, here's my guess at how they hook up in the next movie:

Faramir: What do you fear m'lady?

Eowyn: A cage. And you, m'lord?

Faramir: A stain on my satin dress.

Eowyn: Omigod. I would have never guessed. Did you know that I like to dress up as A MAN and wield a sword?

Faramir: (nodding his head knowingly) I think at last we understand each other, Eowyn of Rohan.

LOL!! I should never have looked atthose pictures either! *bangs head on desk!*

[Lalaith]

Disturbed your devoted love for Faramir?
And ... that scene is cool. Write a suggestion to PJ.

[Lalaith]

Okay, I think I have good new to all of you who hope, the Eowyn/Faramir scenes are included. I just read about a trailer of RotK were a Eowyn/Faramir scene is included. So there is hope that their kiss is in the movie.

[Jonathan]

Originally posted by Lalaith
http://david-wenham.net/misc/misc43.jpg

I thought that was very funny, too. Nice, I could never had imagined Faramir like this! It will be fun to read the LotR-trilogy again with these pictures in my mind :D

[Eowyn, Lady of Rohan]

I think whoever played Eowyn, did an exelent job. I think that they probably worked hard to get that part. She looks exactly how i thought she would.You've drawn far to much attention to yourself Mr. Underhill!!

[Jonathan]

Originally posted by Eowyn, Lady of Rohan
I think whoever played Eowyn, did an exelent job. I think that they probably worked hard to get that part. She looks exactly how i thought she would. Yes, Miranda Otto was perfect as Éowyn. I think that there is no one in the LotR movies who suits in his/her role as well as her, (maybe except for Gandalf, McKellen did a great job in doing the old wizard).

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Hmm, the links didn't work for me...:confused:

[The Lady of the Wood]

i totally agree that miranda otto did a great job playing eowyn!also shes gorgeous!

[eowyngirl14]

I could have been a good Eowyn... too young for the part though! :) :) Miranda Otto is sooo cool! She did such a good job!

Whend do they rotk trailers come out??:) :)

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Any more pics of Audrey? I want to see Ms. Faramir! ;)

[Lalaith]

First, about Miranda Otto playing Eowyn. She did her job perfectly fine and I think that she has both, the coldness of a warrior and the needed beauty and love of the White Lady of Rohan. She just had the right balance between the two parts of the role.
Imagine her beautiful smile in one scene and her cold face in another. Perfect.
Whend do they rotk trailers come out??
I don't know, but it is the same style like they did it last year. Show a 4 minute trailer after the fiml in the cinemas. BTW, does anybody know if the long Trailer included on the Extended DVD is that one from last year?

[Elvedans]

Ugh! Miranda Otto is a complete DOG! (No offense any dog lovers out there!);)

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Elvedans
Ugh! Miranda Otto is a complete DOG! (No offense any dog lovers out there!);)

me thinks you made a little error in your previous post... you see, you type "Miranda Otto is a complete DOG!" BUt you really meant Liv Tyler is a complete dog. Very understandable mistake... I will forgive you, THIS TIME! Don't let it happen again!

[Evenstar1400]

carrie liv tyler isnt a complete dog.... shes cool! shes getting married so OB cant hit on her! yay!

[eowyngirl14]

well... Arwen is a dog... but atleast shes one less person orlando can't get too!:) :) Even Arwen is too good for ORlando!:) :)

[Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn]

i did think he portrayed her very well

[Lalaith]

What strange discussion is that Who deserves whom?

[Lalaith]

well... Arwen is a dog... but atleast shes one less person orlando can't get too! Even Arwen is too good for ORlando!
And .... Arwen can't have Orlando at all, because Arwen is a fictive character and Orlando exists in real life. Ha.

[Narsil's Master]

I would say Eowyn was potrayed very well but if she is going to get some fighting action i think arwen could kill a few orcs herself!

Besides you saw how arwen took out 5 nazgul with only the help of a raging river1:)

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Lalaith
And .... Arwen can't have Orlando at all, because Arwen is a fictive character and Orlando exists in real life. Ha.

thats what you think. i seen Legolas before... then I rean home screaming!

[Gwaimir Windgem]

She didn't take out the Nazgul. Elrond did. :p

[Diamond]

::toasts marshmallows over the flames:: S'mores, anyone?

Di

[Lalaith]

Besides you saw how arwen took out 5 nazgul with only the help of a raging river1
That was the movie-Arwen. You can't take her serious.
i seen Legolas before... then I rean home screaming! You saw Legolas. Cool. Got an autograph?

[Lalaith]

I just discovered that PJ originally casted another woman for the part of Eowyn.
Her name is Alison Doody. She got pregnant and so Miranda Otto got the part. When I look at pictures of both I have to say that Miranda Otto was the better choice. She has not such a sweet Doll-Face like the other woman.
Alison Doody (http://us.imdb.com/Name?Doody,+Alison)

[Black Breathalizer]

I hadn't realized that Alison Doody was originally cast as Eowyn. This appears to be yet another example of how the fates conspired to help Jackson create his masterpiece. No one could have played Eowyn better than Miranda Otto, including Alison Doody.

www.alisondoody.gobot.com/ photo.html

[Gwaimir Windgem]

*blink* Not a very good Eowyn, but she's sure purty!

[Lalaith]

She is quite pretty, but I miss the Eowyn-cold-face, that Miranda Otto played so well.

[Elvedans]

Nope i dont like her.

[Lalaith]

Nope i dont like her.
Miranda Otto or the other woman?

[Elvedans]

The other woman.

[Linaewen]

I think Miranda Otto portrayed Eowyn very well, and I can't really picture the other woman as her.
Eowyn was portrayed very well in TTT, compared to what they did to poor Faramir and the Ents anyway.
And i can't really picture that other woman doing the sword swinging scene

[Lalaith]

Right!

[Indril Anarion]

I thought Eowyn was portrayed well, especially when she blew off Grima. I thought it was important that they had that sword thing between her and Aragorn shows the audiemce that she knows the tricks of the trade. I liked the way that they showed that she liked Aragorn, but not to such a degree that, like Black Breathalizer said, it turned into a crappy love triangle.

[TinuvielChild]

Besides all that, Miranda Otto's rather prettier than Allison Doody, especially in the scene with GrÃ*ma. Love her outfits! I love PJ's interpretation of Eowyn, much better than his portrayal of Arwen.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

I disagree. I think Allison Doody's considerably prettier. She is one of the few whom I would call 'beautiful', from that picture. (Maybe she should have gotten a black wig and been Arwen!)

But I do think it highly unlikely that she could have equalled or topped Miranda Otto's performance of Eowyn.

[Lalaith]

Besides all that, Miranda Otto's rather prettier than Allison Doody, especially in the scene with GrÃ*ma. Love her outfits! I love PJ's interpretation of Eowyn, much better than his portrayal of Arwen.
Eowyns outfits are really cool. Remember her dress when she is standing in Edoras in front of Meduseld and looking upon the landscape. That beautiful white dress. I love it, it's georgeous.

[Lizra]

Oh! Ms. Doody seems better to me too! She looks sterner, and fairer, and older.
The scene where Aragorn is leaving with the fellowship, and Arwen is looking at him....what did they do to her there! Those giant ears make her look like she is 15. She looks sick, elves should not look sick! Even if the "love of their life" is leaving on a perilous adventure!

[Gwaimir Windgem]

I wouldn't say that she seems sterner, or older than Miranda Otto.

[Elvedans]

She doesnt have the cold eyes of a shieldmaiden.

[Lalaith]

She doesnt have the cold eyes of a shieldmaiden.
I really think that Miranda Otto is a beautiful woman, but she really has the cold eyes of a shieldmaiden. That's what makes her perfect for playing Eowyn.

[Elvedans]

Originally posted by Lalaith
I really think that Miranda Otto is a beautiful woman, but she really has the cold eyes of a shieldmaiden. That's what makes her perfect for playing Eowyn.

I know, i meant that the other woman didnt have the cold eyes of a shieldmaiden. Miranda Otto is Eowyn to a T.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

I agree, Miranda Otto is an excellent choice for Eowyn. (How many times have I said that now... ;) )

[straight_face]

My cousin thought Eowyn looked like a pigeon.

[Linaewen]

How does she look like a pigeon? Oh damn, since i read that now all i can think of is a pigeon's head stuck on Eowyn's body. Uh oh...

[Lalaith]

I agree, Miranda Otto is an excellent choice for Eowyn. (How many times have I said that now... )
You can't say that too often because it is just true. PJ did an excellent job on her.

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
I disagree. I think Allison Doody's considerably prettier. She is one of the few whom I would call 'beautiful', from that picture. (Maybe she should have gotten a black wig and been Arwen!)

But I do think it highly unlikely that she could have equalled or topped Miranda Otto's performance of Eowyn.

For some reason I always thought you were a girl- but from this psot it seems that you are a guy... I couldn't find a picture of you on the 'A picture of me thread'- so could you tell me please?

Also- Eowyn is perfect she can do no wrong! She is my favorite charecter if she doesn't kill the witch king I will scream! There we go! Got that all of of my conscious!

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Yes, I am. :)

Male, that is.

I posted a picture in the Picture of Me Request thread (though it'd be easier to go to Rian's Entmooter Picture Links thread), just a few days ago (Monday).

[Lalaith]

For some reason I always thought you were a girl- but from this psot it seems that you are a guy... I couldn't find a picture of you on the 'A picture of me thread'- so could you tell me please?
Embarrassing but true, I thought about that too. Especially when I read your post on the fangirl thread. I thought you are male, Gwaimir, but some time I had my doubts. Sorry.

[Elvedans]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Yes, I am. :)

Male, that is.

I posted a picture in the Picture of Me Request thread (though it'd be easier to go to Rian's Entmooter Picture Links thread), just a few days ago (Monday).

I always knew you were a guy, you are so male!!

[Lalaith]

Back to Eowyn, I'd say.

[Nurvingiel]

Usually I join threads like this when they're first started, but what the hey. Now I feel like I'm joining in just for the sake of adding my two cents. Oh wait, that's because I am. :p

Anyway, I like how Eowyn was portrayed/acted in the movie, and I really liked the exchanges between her and Aragorn. I thought the part where they were escorting the refugees to Helm's Deep. Their conversation there was really well done. I got the feeling that Eowyn was falling in love with Aragorn, but his heart still belonged to Arwen. Maybe I just saw it that way since I already read the book.

Did anyone who hasn't read the book see it that way?

[Lalaith]

Usually I join threads like this when they're first started, but what the hey. Now I feel like I'm joining in just for the sake of adding my two cents. Oh wait, that's because I am.
I know that feeling. I just don't want to interrupt running discussions or re-read all the pages that have been posted before.

Did anyone who hasn't read the book see it that way?
Is there really anyone on Entmoot who hasn't read the books? That would be my question.

[Nurvingiel]

I'm sure there's a few people who haven't, out of the many Mooters.

What I really want to know is what someone's first impression of the Eowyn-Aragorn connection was in the movie, if they either didn't read the books at all, or read them after watching the movie.

[azalea]

I can tell you that my mother in law has not read the books, and she thinks they will get together.

[Lalaith]

I think I've got to ask some non-readers. When I read the book I never really thought they would get together, although Arwen was hardly mentioned.

[Elvedans]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel


Anyway, I like how Eowyn was portrayed/acted in the movie, and I really liked the exchanges between her and Aragorn. I thought the part where they were escorting the refugees to Helm's Deep. Their conversation there was really well done. I got the feeling that Eowyn was falling in love with Aragorn, but his heart still belonged to Arwen. Maybe I just saw it that way since I already read the book.




No no, I completely agree with you. I'm sure that is exactly the way PJ wanted us to see it.

[Linaewen]

I can tell you that my mother in law has not read the books, and she thinks they will get together.

How can she tell? I can't even see any links between movie-Eowyn and movie-Faramir. Fascinating

[Lalaith]

How can she tell? I can't even see any links between movie-Eowyn and movie-Faramir. Fascinating
I think Azalea meant that Eowyn and Aragorn will be together.

[Linaewen]

I think Azalea meant that Eowyn and Aragorn will be together.

I see.
Well does anyone know anyone else who may think that Faramir and Eowyn will get together? (non-readers that is)

[azalea]

Yes, I meant that she thinks that Eowyn and Aragorn will end up together. No one I know who has seen it and not read the books has any idea about Eowyn and Faramir.

[Lalaith]

It's strange but when I first read LotR and came to TTT and the characters of Eowyn and Faramir, I had the feeling that they would be the perfect couple. I don't know why, because they had not met each other at that time.

[Elf Girl]

A friend of mine who hasn't read the books said she thought Faramir would fall in love with Arwen... :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Lalaith]

A friend of mine who hasn't read the books said she thought Faramir would fall in love with Arwen...
Scream. Breathing. My heart stops beating. Arwen and Faramir. Yuck. That's the strangest combination I ever heard of. Now I have to recover.

[Elvedans]

How the hell would that happen? They haven't even met yet!!!!
Mind you, neither have Eowyn and Faramir but... I mean... urrgh that's just weird!!!!!

[Elf Girl]

She seemed to be under the impression that Arwen would come to Gondor to see Aragorn, but Faramir would fall in love with her.

[Lalaith]

She seemed to be under the impression that Arwen would come to Gondor to see Aragorn, but Faramir would fall in love with her.
Then she wasn't that wrong. I mean, Arwen is coming to Gondor.

[Elf Girl]

Yeah, but about Arwen and Faramir, she was WAY off.

[Lalaith]

Non-readers will NEVER understand Tolkiens world. We have to be kind. Not everybody discovers this great book. We're the blessed in this world, we have read it. (lol)

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Yes, sometimes I would refer to my parents (poor folks never have/did read LOTR :( ) as "unenlightened" as a joke, when they asked what we were talking about, and the subject was LOTR, or something similar which they wouldn't know about.

[Lalaith]

I'm trying to get my mum to read LotR.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Don't think there's any hope for mine. :( *sniff* So sad. :( :(


And one last time:

:(

[Starr Polish]

Once my mom stops reading her weird "best seller" or "book club" books, I'm going to convince her to read LOTR. She still hasn't seen either movie, but she shall, yes, she shall (my mom's big on "bonding", and I'll make her watch FOTR with me). She's fond of big books, and LOTR is one big book. :D

[Gwaimir Windgem]

My mom saw Bakshi and Rankin-Basses ROTK, so she knows what happens! ;)

[Starr Polish]

I've seen the Bakshi version too. No wonder she's a lost cause! I'm glad I saw Peter Jackson's version and read the books first.

Stoopid ninety second rule...:mad:

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Personally, I think Bakshi captured the spirit of Tolkien better than Jackson. At least his dwarf wasn't an idiot.

Hoom...hum...ON-topic: Miranda Otto was a good Eowyn, though actually I liked RB's Eowyn a lot, too.

[Starr Polish]

RB = Rankin Bass, right? Not Ralph Bakshi, since his Eowyn didn't even say anything. ::sigh:: I haven't seen Rankin Bass's ROTK, but I have seen stills, and Eowyn looks almost too small to be convincing. However, I'll have to get my hands on the movie first (the library people already think I'm a freak, checking out BBC LOTR twice, LOTR twice, requesting the get the Silmarillion, and checking out cartoon movies...LoL).

MO did a very good job with the material she was given. I can't wait to see her shine in ROTK.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

O, yes, of course. Silly me, forgot his first name began with R. Could certainly cause confusion.

MR - Miranda Rotto? Did you not like her Eowyn? :p

[Starr Polish]

What are you talking about, you half-witted apprentice loremaster? Sheesh, turning 18 sure goes to your head ;)

Sorry, had Moulin Rouge on the brain, and I haven't slept well in a week.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Och, now I've gone senile and decrepit. :(
Hey, wait a minute...
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You can't fool me! :p

[Lalaith]

My mum loves PJ's LotR, so maybe she will read the books some time.
I have only seen PJ's LotR and can't judge the others, but I love PJ's Eowyn (back to the topic).

[Lalaith]

Hey, I just read that Eowyn will slay the Witch-king in Rotk. I'm really sure that it will be in the movie, because they are currently re-shooting this part of the movie. Hurray.

[Jonathan]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Hey, I just read that Eowyn will slay the Witch-king in Rotk. I'm really sure that it will be in the movie, because they are currently re-shooting this part of the movie. Hurray. If Éowyn is going to slay the Witch-King, there might be a chance that she gets wounded, just like she did in the book. And if she's wounded, there is a chance that she has to go to the Houses of Healing. If that happens, there is some hope that she will fall in love with Faramir. And that is something I'd really like to see.

PJ left out many things in his two films, like Tom Bombadil and Gimli falling in love with Galadriel (though I think you could see that in the extended version). It would be sad if he left out the Éowyn-Faramir affair in his third film.

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by Jonathan
If Éowyn is going to slay the Witch-King, there might be a chance that she gets wounded, just like she did in the book. And if she's wounded, there is a chance that she has to go to the Houses of Healing. If that happens, there is some hope that she will fall in love with Faramir. And that is something I'd really like to see.

PJ left out many things in his two films, like Tom Bombadil and Gimli falling in love with Galadriel (though I think you could see that in the extended version). It would be sad if he left out the Éowyn-Faramir affair in his third film.
That's even better. Black and blonde hair mingling in the air.

[analyveth]

eowyn and faramir has got to make it into the film, even if it's just a hint of attraction and a then a final reference. i can't wait to see eowyn v witch king either. that's the cool thing about the movies - that if pj's brought arwen's character out, it's likely we'll get a more satisfying treatment of this eowyn event, bringing the female characters to the fore and all that ;) my ultimate question about rotk is how in the name of all things immortal and pointy-eared will they keep the film to a laymen audience friendly length??? :confused:

[Lalaith]

Nobody will remember Arwen, if they once saw Eowyn fighting. :D

[azalea]

Originally posted by analyveth
how in the name of all things immortal and pointy-eared will they keep the film to a laymen audience friendly length??? :confused:

The rumour is that it (the theatrical version) will be about 3 1/2 hours long. And I will NOT step out for one moment to use the restroom the first time I see it, even if it kills me!:D

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by azalea
The rumour is that it (the theatrical version) will be about 3 1/2 hours long. And I will NOT step out for one moment to use the restroom the first time I see it, even if it kills me!:D
I will sit in there even if it lasts 5 hours.

[Jonathan]

Originally posted by Lalaith
I will sit in there even if it lasts 5 hours. I heard a rumour that the film was indeed going to last 5 hours. But I have nothing against that. The more RotK, the better. I know I'm going to sit there hoping that the film won't end.

And I sure hope that the Éowyn's fight with the Witch-king will be a looong one :D

[Nurvingiel]

Originally posted by azalea
The rumour is that it (the theatrical version) will be about 3 1/2 hours long. And I will NOT step out for one moment to use the restroom the first time I see it, even if it kills me!:D In case it does last five hours, and you like to have a large pop, well, there's always adult diapers. ;) Just kidding! I wouldn't leave either.

There's no way PJ would leave out the Witch-king battle, I think he's gonna do that part really well. Merry will get his time to shine! I just hope Pippin isn't left in the lurch.

I also think he will have Eowyn and Faramir fall in love, that would wrap up the 'love triangle' book-style, something I'm sure he finds preferable to making up something new. Okay, we'll see on that one.

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by Jonathan
I heard a rumour that the film was indeed going to last 5 hours. But I have nothing against that. The more RotK, the better. I know I'm going to sit there hoping that the film won't end.

And I sure hope that the Éowyn's fight with the Witch-king will be a looong one :D
I already thought that about TTT. I sat in the Cinema and wished the movie would go on forever. And then it came to it's end and I was like "that can't be all".
To be true, I couldn't enjoy the first time watching it, because I always had in mind, that the movie will soon be at it's end. That destroyed the whole movie for me.

[Linaewen]

Originally posted by Lalaith
I already thought that about TTT. I sat in the Cinema and wished the movie would go on forever. And then it came to it's end and I was like "that can't be all".
To be true, I couldn't enjoy the first time watching it, because I always had in mind, that the movie will soon be at it's end. That destroyed the whole movie for me.

I was the opposite. I was waiting for it to end. (Never happened before in movies)

From a while ago: my friend detests Eowyn and thinks that she and Aragorn will get together. (As soon as she said this, I thought "Entmoot") I am itching to tell her what really happens, but I don't want to ruin it for her.

[analyveth]

Originally posted by Lalaith
I already thought that about TTT. I sat in the Cinema and wished the movie would go on forever. And then it came to it's end and I was like "that can't be all".

totally, i'm not going to want to leave my seat when rotk is over. i'll cry right through the credits. oh god let's not think about it.
:(

[azalea]

This is starting to go off topic, but IF the movie were to last 5 hours, they'd have to have an intermission (ahhhh:) ). But maybe it's the EE that will be 5 hours. Yay!
(I wish I could see the movie with other 'mooters. That would be fun. No one I know here is as into it as I am. :( ).

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by azalea
This is starting to go off topic, but IF the movie were to last 5 hours, they'd have to have an intermission (ahhhh:) ). But maybe it's the EE that will be 5 hours. Yay!
(I wish I could see the movie with other 'mooters. That would be fun. No one I know here is as into it as I am. :( ).
Yeah, that would be cool. It is horrible to go to the cinema with somebody who only goes for your sake and isn't obsessed and amazed and everything.

Back to Eowyn I guess: The will be so cool in RotK.

[Linaewen]

Originally posted by Lalaith

Back to Eowyn I guess: The will be so cool in RotK.

The what will be cool?

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by Linaewen
The what will be cool?
Again. Queen of miss-spelling. SHE will be so cool.

[Linaewen]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Again. Queen of miss-spelling. SHE will be so cool.

No, no. I wasn't trying to pick on you this time. I was just confused, is all.

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by Linaewen
No, no. I wasn't trying to pick on you this time. I was just confused, is all.
oh, okay. What do you think. Will PJ make this part right or wrong?

[Linaewen]

I don't know. Her portrayal in TT was excellent. But, I still wonder how (if they do) Faramir and her will fall in love. I don't think it can be done as in the books... you know, her suddenly realising it or whatever (Will get quote soon).

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by Linaewen
I don't know. Her portrayal in TT was excellent. But, I still wonder how (if they do) Faramir and her will fall in love. I don't think it can be done as in the books... you know, her suddenly realising it or whatever (Will get quote soon).
I see the problem within Faramir. I mean he was really dumb in the movie. How will they make him cute and understanding in RotK?

[Linaewen]

Originally posted by Lalaith
I see the problem within Faramir. I mean he was really dumb in the movie. How will they make him cute and understanding in RotK?

Not so much dumb. More evil, I think.

To your question: I do not know. This was speculated about previously. I think that he will do some spontaneous/sudden heroic deed that she sees and will prompt her to fall in love. Also, they already started that 'understanding' bit when he released Sam and Frodo from Osgiliath.

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by Linaewen
Not so much dumb. More evil, I think.

To your question: I do not know. This was speculated about previously. I think that he will do some spontaneous/sudden heroic deed that she sees and will prompt her to fall in love. Also, they already started that 'understanding' bit when he released Sam and Frodo from Osgiliath.
PJ has driven himself into a diffucult situation. but it is his own fault.

[Nurvingiel]

Maybe Faramir will have this dramatic transformation once he meets the fair Eowyn. (Or maybe being near death with the Nazgul wound will change his perspective.) He could turn out okay, or at least okay enough for Eowyn to love, because we already saw some of the 'transformation' when he let Frodo and Sam go.

[Lalaith]

Well, we will have to wait till December to see what PJ will do.

[cassiopeia]

Originally posted by Lalaith
PJ has driven himself into a diffucult situation. but it is his own fault.
I don't think so. The scriptwriters would have had (I assume) the script for the ROTK written at the same time as TTT. They would have had the whole scenario mapped out. I just hope that it is close to the book.

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by cassiopeia
I don't think so. The scriptwriters would have had (I assume) the script for the ROTK written at the same time as TTT. They would have had the whole scenario mapped out. I just hope that it is close to the book.
Well, I guess that's true. But they did change the script afterwards.