Smeagol

[L@ur@y Elven Warrior]

Smeagol is so cool with his Biig blue eyes and Gollum is so horrible he's mean i don't like him.

[WallRocker]

I'd agree, Smeagols awesome, Gollum's mean but this really belongs in the LotR movie section.

[Nurvingiel]

Well, this should only be in the movie section if we're talking about Smeagol.Gollum in the context of the movie.

Because we could talk about book-Gollum and it would be all good. Of course, if you're using the movie's description, then you've kinda tipped the balance. ;)

I like Gollum, in the book, quite a bit - even evil Gollum.

I also like the movie's interpretation of his character, so I'm prepared to talk about either. :)

[Elf Girl]

Smeagol is very touching. He really was good, once. In my opinion he is the best example of the evil-ness of the Ring.

[L@ur@y Elven Warrior]

Yeah my sister Kiwi said that Gollum is different in the books than the movie. I haven't read all the yet I've just started FoTR because I just got the books for chirstmas.

[azalea]

This thread needs to be about Gollum in the book if it is to stay in the book forum. If it is to be about the movie, I will move it to the movie forum.

[L@ur@y Elven Warrior]

Gollum is strange in the book but even stranger in the movie.

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Elf Girl
Smeagol is very touching. He really was good, once. In my opinion he is the best example of the evil-ness of the Ring.

I totally agree with this, and I think Tolkien even hints at this as well when Gandalf was speaking of Smeagol's life....


Originally posted by L@ur@y Elven Warrior
Yeah my sister Kiwi said that Gollum is different in the books than the movie. I haven't read all the yet I've just started FoTR because I just got the books for chirstmas.

I totally disagree, I felt the movie was pretty dead on with how I read the character Gollum in the book....

[Curunír]

Gollum is my precious.

Sméagol too.

You are not my precious.

;)

Gollum is.

yeah.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Gollum seemed to me to be pretty accurately portrayed. His skin was the wrong color, and Slinker didn't light his eyes green, but that's about all I can think of.

[durin's bane]

Smeagol is pretty cool, and I thought he had really changed, but his old self gained control, and that nearly cost Sam and Frodo their lives. I've never really liked Gollum, but I pitied and even had had a glimmer of like for Smeagol.

[samwise of the shire]

I think Dunedain that L@ur@y Elven Warrior was talking about his face and physical traits. Like I seem to remember reading in FOTR that Gollum had webbed feet...like a swans, and Gwaimer is right about the green light. But if you looked close enough when Faramir is talking to Gollum in Henneth Anun and he says "Because he took my...PRECIOUSS" there is DEFINITELY a gleam there if only a pale blue one.
I found that the book Gollum was less pitiable and sad than the movie Gollum. I couldn't imagine him as wretched because all of the LOTR baddies have rather charismatic personalities and strong will powers, while Gollum is weak. I felt no pity for Gollum because I hadn't seen him...but now he's a truely pathetic creature for me to imagine.
Welcome to the Entmoot L@ur@y Elven Warrior. You'll enjoy it here.
Cheers,
Sam

[RosieCotton]

Originally posted by samwise of the shire
I think Dunedain that L@ur@y Elven Warrior was talking about his face and physical traits. Like I seem to remember reading in FOTR that Gollum had webbed feet...like a swans, and Gwaimer is right about the green light. But if you looked close enough when Faramir is talking to Gollum in Henneth Anun and he says "Because he took my...PRECIOUSS" there is DEFINITELY a gleam there if only a pale blue one.
I found that the book Gollum was less pitiable and sad than the movie Gollum. I couldn't imagine him as wretched because all of the LOTR baddies have rather charismatic personalities and strong will powers, while Gollum is weak. I felt no pity for Gollum because I hadn't seen him...but now he's a truely pathetic creature for me to imagine.
Welcome to the Entmoot L@ur@y Elven Warrior. You'll enjoy it here.
Cheers,
Sam

I have to agree. I always hated Gollum in the books, but once you see him its almost impossible not to feel bad. I also noticed the gleam in his eyes there. It is soon after this that Gollum wins over Smeagol again and there is the forshadowing of Shelob. I think that Gollum is one of the most well done characters in the book and the movie.
Rosie

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Except that I accidentally said Slinker instead of Stinker. :rolleyes: Yup, picked the right title!

[Guardian_of_the_Forest]

Gollum wasn't exactly what I pictured him to be.

[Narsil's Master]

i think smeagol is cool and its hilarious how he constantly argues with himself

[ArwenEvenstar]

me and my best friend can do a perfect impression when he's going "he's gone! He's left us!"

lol he's a scitzo(sp???)

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by Narsil's Master
i think smeagol is cool and its hilarious how he constantly argues with himself

You find the torment and mental anguish of a wretched, pitiable creature to be hilarious?

[Evenstar1400]

i thought it was cool how tolkien made gollum be the one to destroy the ring. i mean, as i was reading the books i didnt expect he would be the one to do it.... after all he was corrupted by it the most, other than sauron himself

[Elf Girl]

I don't think Sauron was corrupted by the Ring, rather he gave his corrupted-ness to the ring as he made it.

[L@ur@y Elven Warrior]

I thought that Smeagol would have looked different but he sounds the same as I thought.

[azalea]

As this is really tending to be about Gollum in the movie, I'm moving it to the movies forum.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

I agree with Elf Girl; He was corrupt long before the Ring-making ever began, and the chief lieutenant of Morgoth, I believe.

[straight_face]

You've got to remember all that has happened to Gollum to make him the way that he is. He can't help being an evil imp, can he?

[Black Breathalizer]

I never ever felt pity for Gollum in the books -- and I've read the books countless times over the years.

But when I actually saw Gollum for the first time in the movie theatre, I really did view the character in a whole new light.

After seeing the movie on opening night, I said to my daughter, "you know, I'm just like Frodo---now that I've seen him, I do pity him." :)

[Gwaimir Windgem]

straight_face; I wouldn't call Gollum evil; pitiful, wretched, and wicked, yes, but not evil.

[Nurvingiel]

I loved and hated book Gollum, and movie Gollum moved me just as much. This says a lot, since I felt Gollum was a very powerful character.

I loved Gollum when I pitied him and wanted Smeagol to come out on top.

Hated him when he pissed off Sam, my favourite character!

Go Sam!

[L@ur@y Elven Warrior]

I felt so sorry of Smeagol because Golllum was always telling him want he should do and Gollum is not evil he is just like that because of the way he has lived his live.

[L@ur@y Elven Warrior]

Kiwi is saying that I'm Gollum and that she is Smeagol. She is so wrong!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dúnedain]

Not sure if anyone noticed, but I was watching my copy of TTT before, yes I have a copy :), and I paid close attention to the Gollum/Smeagol scenes. If you notice, the only times you see his eyes bright blue, it is when he is Smeagol. When he is Gollum, the brightness goes away in his eyes and you can barely tell they are blue. I just thought it was awesome the way they did that, even though it is a small little feature, it shows Smeagol breaking through the evil Gollum!

[L@ur@y Elven Warrior]

Yea it is amazing how they make Gollum and do all of his movements and stuff like that.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

But they still forgot the green glow. :p

[L@ur@y Elven Warrior]

But they still did a good job on Smeagol.

[straight_face]

Originally posted by L@ur@y Elven Warrior
Gollum is strange in the book but even stranger in the movie.
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[L@ur@y Elven Warrior]

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[gimli7410]

barrow downs is a pretty good site. how long do their themes last there?

[azalea]

Please stay on topic. PMs are great for that kind of thing.:)

[Indril Anarion]

I love the way that the Gollum/Smeagol split personality thing was played out. I love Smeagol, he's so cute and you pity him. Gollum on the other hand, doesn't evoke one ounce of sympathy out of me.

[Fanëar]

i loved smeagol and gollum I felt so sorry for him in FotR and I thought he was sooooo cute in TTT too bad he has to go andbite of frodos finger and somehow make sam go blind(?)

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Fanëar
i loved smeagol and gollum I felt so sorry for him in FotR and I thought he was sooooo cute in TTT too bad he has to go andbite of frodos finger and somehow make sam go blind(?)

huh? he doesn't make Sam go blind....

[Fanëar]

thats why I put the ? I had heard that so I was wondering

[cassiopeia]

Umm, Gollum makes Sam go blind when his loincloth falls off.

[Fanëar]

yea uh huh

[englishnerd]

I had a response to Gwaimir Windgem's comment about Gollum not being evil...you know, it depends on what you define as evil. Is the evil inherent in him, or is it the power to do evil that makes him evil? Because I think everyone in the film has at least one opportunity to do evil in some way. Galadriel has the opportunity to take the ring., so does Gandalf and Elrond and countless others. I don't think it's the opportunity to choose evil that defines a character as evil. It's the choices they make based on their character; Boromir chose to try to take the ring, but Aragorn did not. Thus, Boromir, though not an "evil" character (like an orc or the ringwraiths), did in fact do evil. So in one sense, everyone has the opportunity to do evil, everyone has a choice in every action, attitude, and word. hmmm...what do you think?

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Yes, I agree with you. Smeagol also 'did' evil, but I do not think he was evil. I see more as a starved and ancient Hobbit, tortured and driven by the Ring to madness.

[Fanëar]

i agree with you. i never really thought of it like that. im glad you brought another perspective into it.