Your personal opinions on Wargs?

[straight_face]

xxx When I read "The Hobbit", the Wargs were also called wolves, so I expected them to be as wolves are, in shape and form, yet more foul, ferocious, and larger than average wolves. In the movie the Wargs were like giant hyenas, if you catch my drift. Feel free to reply and explain what you expected the Wargs to look like.

P.S. Did anyone noticed that Shadowfax, well, looked like a female horse? Were they afraid that people would be offended by the body parts of a male horse?

[Sminty_Smeagol]

i always thought shadowfax was silver... I do realize this would look silly, but maybe if they made him light grey with a sheen...

and yeah abuot the wargs. PJ seems to love making monsters. I also didnt picture the orcs as having blue skin, slightly more humanoid than in the films.

maybe shadowfax is transvestite?

[Coney]

Were they afraid that people would be offended by the body parts of a male horse?

There is only so much you really want to see on a 23' x 15' screen:D

[legolasluvr2931]

You know... I kinda thought that they were sorta cute. Besides the fact that they almost killed the main characters and they were mean and nasty and completly inconsiderate of the fact that there were women and children and fathers and hot guys (Legolas/Orlando Bloom!!) there fighting for their lives. How rude! LOL!

[FrodoFriend]

I pictured them as black and more wolf-like too. And I never pictured Orcs as being so extremely deformed and slimy.

[Evenstar1400]

the fotr video game for playstation shows the wargs as being black and wolf like, with ratlike tails. i thought the wargs in the movie were kinda big, and i pictured them as being smaller. as for the video game, i think their picture of the wargs was more accurate (in my mind)

[Dúnedain]

Personally I loved the Wargs, I think it adds another element to middle earth that separates it from the world we know. I thought they looked badass!!

[unregistered]

I also pictures the wargs to be more wolf like.
Now i've only seen this film 5 times (haha tied with sminty) and I can't remember seeing them having tails! Did any see if they did or not?

[Sminty_Smeagol]

Uhhhh.... H/o *puts in TTT(movie version) ps2 game* Yeah they had tails. Not really long ones though. Like, mini cat tails or long dog tails. The tails are only bout 1/3 as long as their bodies. I think they made them the same in the video game atleast... It's the movie version and they look like same otherwise.

Oh btw D I asked cassie if she wanted to go see TTT again with me and she gave me this weird eyebrow thing... lol i want to see it again so we can be tied!

http://www.filmhobbit.com/moviereviews/images/LOTR/twotowers/trailer3/wargs.jpg
grr you cant tell...

http://www.warofthering.net/downloads/movietrailers/wb_special.ram

[Celebréiel]

I agree, ;) I didnt like the wargs either, but honestly compared to the rest of the film, they were the least of my troubles. But yeah..much too....I think someone said rabid over grown hyena? :p I think that fit them well.
~Celebréiel

[Sminty_Smeagol]

I think PJ just loves doing ugly monsters. He overexaggerates ugly things a bit.

[Celebréiel]

Originally posted by Sminty_Smeagol
I think PJ just loves doing ugly monsters. He overexaggerates ugly things a bit.
Yeah i noticed that, I think its his horror movie past showing through. Like with the 'lights' in the dead marshes. :rolleyes:
~Celebréiel

[unregistered]

Originally posted by Sminty_Smeagol
Uhhhh.... H/o *puts in TTT(movie version) ps2 game* Yeah they had tails. Not really long ones though. Like, mini cat tails or long dog tails. The tails are only bout 1/3 as long as their bodies. I think they made them the same in the video game atleast... It's the movie version and they look like same otherwise.

Oh btw D I asked cassie if she wanted to go see TTT again with me and she gave me this weird eyebrow thing... lol i want to see it again so we can be tied!

http://www.filmhobbit.com/moviereviews/images/LOTR/twotowers/trailer3/wargs.jpg
grr you cant tell...

http://www.warofthering.net/downloads/movietrailers/wb_special.ram

So they did have tails? ok

BTW liz i thought we were already tied? 5-5?

[Sminty_Smeagol]

*I can be winning. typo thingy. ANd yes they had tails.

[Dunadan]

I thought they were great. In the books, they're not described in a lot of detail, and PJ's realisation made me reconsider how seriously badass they were (and the orcs who had to ride them).

I've only seen the film once, so could hardly remember what they looked like. Thanks for the link to the vid clip; that stunt Legolas does to leap onto the running horse was ultra-groovy.

[GandalfTheWhite]

i agree, i think they looked too much like hyenas, they had huge humps in their backs. PJ is a little too monster crazy

[Blackboar]

I thought they were really cute!!

[unregistered]

Cute eh? Yes they sure were, running around with orcs on there back and devouring men alive... yes very cute.... it makes you want to squeze them like a teddy bear...

[Noahamir]

I thought they looked bad the first time I saw the movie, but I didn't mind them that much the second time.

In my mind though I thnk PJ made them more monstrous looking because trying to replicate large realistic wolves with CGI would have looked more fake because we know what wolves are supposed to look like in real life.

As for having the whole warg battle in the first place, I don't mind that much. I kinda think of it as making up for having no Wargs between Redhorn Pass and Moria in the first movie.

[Tinuviel sings again]

I've always seen the Wargs as being more wolf like than they were in the movie (to be honest, I had no idea what they were when they first appeared on the screen) But I guess they're still ok in a kind of hyena-looking type of way...
The orcs look pretty much just what I thought they would look like, though I might have seen them a little taller...

[Wayfarer]

The wargs in the movie were horrible, IMNSHO.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Orcs should be short; if I am correct, the Uruk-hai were only slightly shorter than humans.

And the Wargs were definitely too monstrous-looking. In FotR, when they fought creatures in Hollin, they couldn't tell if they were Wargs or Wolves at first, if I remember correctly. Either all 9 of them were idiots, or the Wargs were definitely wolfish in appearance.

[Tinuviel sings again]

Well, I guess you're right about the Orcs being short, but I always say them as taller in my mind because of the fact that they used to be elves...
I have a question: Do orcs have children? Or, because they used to be elves do they just live forever? Or what?

[azalea]

Hey, welcome to Entmoot! Your questions about orcs have been debated and discussed in several threads, mostly in the LotR books forum and the Middle Earth forum. If you do a search in each of those forums, you'll find the threads and I'm sure you'll find them interesting. Have fun!:)

[WallRocker]

IMO, the Wargs did not look right. I imagined them more like wolves then overgrown rapid dog/cat/wolf hybrids. Also, I think that the Warg battle shouldn't have beeen in the movie at all. Kind of cool, but not nessecary. Arguably thought, the coolest part of the movie was when Legolas jumped on the horse, and if the Warg battle hadn't been in, that woulsn't have happened:)

[Dúnedain]

This might give greater insight into why the wargs look as they do, this is a painting by John Howe, and as you all know, he was a huge influence on the way things were portrayed in the movies, just as Allen Lee was as well.


http://www.john-howe.com/portfolio/gallery/details.php?image_id=73

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Look pretty wolfish to me.

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Look pretty wolfish to me.

Look at their heads though, the way their mouths are, that looks pretty damn close to the movie wargs I think....

[BeardofPants]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
Look at their heads though, the way their mouths are, that looks pretty damn close to the movie wargs I think....

It looks nothing like the movie wargs. The movie wargs looked like frogs. :rolleyes:

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by BeardofPants
It looks nothing like the movie wargs. The movie wargs looked like frogs. :rolleyes:

Well if you compare them from the movie clip that was compared earlier in this thread, the mouths are very similar to that picture by John Howe....

[francod]

the orcs and the super orcs were way to tough. Let's facce it both those groups go a dime a dozen and the ura-kai looked like a bunch of roid pumped guys just out of golds. It also looked absurd that the band of uri-kai were running from three guys[aragorn,gimli, and leg-o-lam

[samwise of the shire]

I think PJ just loves doing ugly monsters. He overexaggerates ugly things a bit. Take a second look at the Dead Marshes. That made me wince so hard I wrenched my neck.
I like looking at similarities in the movie and pictures by John Howe and Alan Lee. Like the banner in Dunedan's url. The hand on it looks just like the one on the banners in the movie. Very cool.
Rana, I dont know WHAT the wargs looked like but I do know that I have caught enough frogs to know what they look like and those wargs do NOT look like frogs. Personally I think they look like rabid pit bulls on steroids. Actually I didn't think they were that bad. I always thought that the wargs looked like grey timberwolves...only bigger with red eyes and huge hackles. Kind of thin and starved...ready to rip the enemy to bits and peices. Totally harmless looking until suddenly you're ripped to peices and finding yourself travelling the inside of a warg.
Cheers,
Sam

[Insidious Rex]

I thought they looked more avian like. almost prehistoric. big flat spade shaped heads with obscured eyes. it was weird almost to the point of being comical which was a minor detraction. would have like to have seen the traditional sort of classic hell hound creature with red eyes and all that. kind of like the nazgul horses but only wolves. but Im not gonna complain about this. this is totally artistic license and I think we are (I am) really picking nits here.

[azalea]

Originally posted by samwise of the shire
...ready to rip the enemy to bits and peices. Totally harmless looking until suddenly you're ripped to peices and finding yourself travelling the inside of a warg.
Cheers,
Sam

I just had to laugh after reading your closing "cheers" written after that nice comforting description of wargs.:)

[Diamond]

The Movie!Wargs sort of reminded me of the Death Dogs from the movie "Willow". Just an observance.

Di

[Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn]

i think the orcs were good, but the wargs were to vicious

[Coney]

Originally posted by Diamond
The Movie!Wargs sort of reminded me of the Death Dogs from the movie "Willow". Just an observance.

Di

That's what they reminded me of! I could remember the scene, but not the name of the film.

Ta Di :)

[Nurvingiel]

My own metal image of Wargs is a being that looks a bit like a wolf, except two to three times larger, with fur of various shades of grey. Their eyes reflect an evil intelligence - don't forget Wargs have their own language. They have powerful muscles and their coats aren't matted. They have long snouts and many large fangs.

This clashed unhappily with PJ's Wargs. First, I had to get over the fact that that particular battle didn't actually happen. Then, I thought the Wargs looked a bit too motley, didn't look smart enough, and I didn't like their flattened faces.

I did like the fact that they were sufficiently cruel, vicious and evil. This was probably the most important aspect anyway.

[Insidious Rex]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
My own metal image of Wargs is a being that looks a bit like a wolf, except two to three times larger, with fur of various shades of grey. Their eyes reflect an evil intelligence - don't forget Wargs have their own language. They have powerful muscles and their coats aren't matted. They have long snouts and many large fangs.



sounds like the creature from An American Werewolf in London.

[Draken]

I like Wargs, but probably couldn't eat a whole one.

[Aranwe]

the Uruk-hai were only slightly shorter than humans

The Uruk-Hai were bred to be stronger and different to other orcs - not affected by daylight etc. They were also sometimes referred to as half-orcs in the books, so they've obviously been mixed with soemthing else :)

The Moria orcs were a lot shorter than Men, and the orcs in the prologue were a lot shorter than the elves in the last alliance (but then elves are tall anyway...)

[Nurvingiel]

Originally posted by Insidious Rex
sounds like the creature from An American Werewolf in London.

Really? Is that a movie or a book?

Draken LOL! :D

[Insidious Rex]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Really? Is that a movie or a book?

Its a movie from the early 80's. A classic dark horror with comic undertones and a great soundtrack. An American Werewolf in London (www.fast-rewind.com/amwerewolf.htm )

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by Aranwe
The Uruk-Hai were bred to be stronger and different to other orcs - not affected by daylight etc. They were also sometimes referred to as half-orcs in the books, so they've obviously been mixed with soemthing else :)

The Moria orcs were a lot shorter than Men, and the orcs in the prologue were a lot shorter than the elves in the last alliance (but then elves are tall anyway...)

Actually, I'm pretty sure that Half-Orcs are something entirely different from Uruks; 'men with goblin-faces' I think they are described as in the books.

I think that other then Uruks, all orcs were considerably shorter then Men, which would include the ones in Moria.

[Celebréiel]

Theres a nice sketch of races sizes for the movie in the book 'art of the fellowship of the ring' if anyone saw it...it was kinda interesting. But yeah, I think all the orcs were smaller than men.

[Wayfarer]

The Uruk-Hai were not, in the books, the same things as half orcs. The Uruk-Hai were bred by sauron, and they were simply a larger, hardier race of orcs who were acclimated to life aboveground.

The Half-Orcs that were interbred with the dunlendings were in many cases able to pass as men. The squinty-eyed-southerner in bree is an example, as are the ruffians in the scouring of the shire. They were larger than orcs, but they were not the steroidal monstrosities that were shown in the film, they would have been humans with an orc like cast to their features.

[Aranwe]

But in the movie I'm pretty sure that Gandalf ( i think it was gandalf) says somethign like "Saruman has crossed orcs with goblin-men (the half-orcs, I assumed) that can travel at great speed in daylight" or something like that... don't have the dvd handy so I can't check.

My earlier post is pretty confusing now that I re-read it :rolleyes: sorry bout that

[Meriadoc]

I think the wargs were cool:cool: Peter Jackson did a great job on them I was emmprest.

[Orcrist]

I thought that the Wargs would be big bad wolves.

*starts to hum "who's afraid of the big bad wolf"*

....... And I also thought Shadowfax would be HUGE and white and sparkly. Kind of.

But I thought that the Uruk-Hai's would be bigger then men, and that they would be pretty gormless, and only obey their commands. Oops!

[Edro]

I never really had a good mental picture of the wargs.. somewhat like wolves but really dark gray.. and bigger. but that was it.

as for the Uruk-Hai, they were supposed to be "man-high" and look like a cross between men and orcs. i thought they did. but the orcs were to slimy.

this is kinda stupid, but i always thought that orcs kinda sent out spores and the spores fell into orcy breeding holes and new orcs popped outa the mud. after all you never see any female orcs.;)

[Lollypopgurl]

Didn't Tolkien write somewhere that Elves and Orcs "breed the same way"? *Tries to imagine baby Elrond falling out of a mud hole* o_O

[Nurvingiel]

The concept of Elrond as a baby is hard enough...

Welcome to the Moot Edro! My mental image of Wargs is similar to yours, and also a bit fuzzy. My Wargs certainly did not look like motley, defective hyenas though.

[Black Breathalizer]

I was not too keen on Jackson's version of wargs but I thought all the various types of orcs were dead-on perfect. One of the best things he did was give us a number of different types of orcs rather than having all of them look alike. I hated the pig-snouted orc clones of Bakshi's film version.

[Merlin]

Originally posted by azalea
I just had to laugh after reading your closing "cheers" written after that nice comforting description of wargs.:)

But, he always does that, or maybe he's a she. Any ways I thought the wargs looked like bears. The first time I saw them I thought they were bears! Anyone agree?:confused:

[Gwaimir Windgem]

That's a she. ;) At least, I think so. If it's samwise of the shire, it's a she. If it's Dunadan, then I believe it's a he. :)

[gimli7410]

i thoguht the wargs looked great and the moved like wolves ne way and they r from middle earth which in tolkiens mind is different from normal earth

[GrayMouser]

Nope, didn't like the Wargs- Wargs should be wolves, not hyenas.

Also, they seemed to move too fast; the horses seemed greatly outclassed- it made the victory of the Rohirrim look unrealistic.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by gimli7410
i thoguht the wargs looked great and the moved like wolves ne way and they r from middle earth which in tolkiens mind is different from normal earth

No, it isn't. Please learn a bit before making assumptions. The
Wargs were MOST un-Wargish. They may have been 'cool monsters' (which IMO they weren't, particularly), but they were not Wargs.

[gollum9630]

they looked ok, but they did not look like wolves. I figured out what they were ny the goblins riding them, and i had to tell that to my brother who had no clue what they were

[Elf Girl]

In the Hobbit, "wolves" and "Wargs" is used interchangebly for the Warg-ish breed of wolf.

Wow that was a pointless post.

[Nurvingiel]

There are a lot of differences between the Hobbit and LotR, so this similarity might not be intended in LotR. Sometimes artistic liscences taken by directors don't sit well with many fans (even though a lot do) and this is one of them.

[#1GaMGeeGuRL]

I remember that movie Willow. We had to watch it at school once. I pictured the wargs being white and really skinny but really big for some odd reason, that's what I thought when I read the Hobbit. But all in all, I think the wargs were done pretty well. Hey the should make stuffed animals of them!

[Nurvingiel]

Aww, cute little warg! A lot of people don't like the movie Wargs, so I'm glad you do like them.

It's the face and the fur I don't like. Okay, that counts for a lot. I'd totally buy the stuffed animal though!