Arwen at Helm's Deep.......

[Dúnedain]

I was over at theonering.net the other day and came across this article. Check this out, maybe this will tie in some gaps for what we think might happen in RotK as far as Arwen coming to Aragorn goes....

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Was Arwen At Helm's Deep?
Demosthenes @ 4:25 pm EST

Council of Elrond regular Fran recently did a bit of screencapping from a Two Towers bootleg. She discovered something interesting.

It appears that WETA missed a few shots of Arwen at Helm's Deep, and that if you look closely enough - and freezeframe an awful lot - you can probably spot her in the final charge.

Here's the proof. We think.

http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/5819

http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/5820

http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/5818

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Well there are some pics of her and what was found.....

[Shadowfax]

Well, from what I understand, those pics you posted with "arwen" in them are just there because that was their original plan, to have her in the battle, but then (thankfully!) they took her out, so I don't really see what you're trying to say...?

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
Well, from what I understand, those pics you posted with "arwen" in them are just there because that was their original plan, to have her in the battle, but then (thankfully!) they took her out, so I don't really see what you're trying to say...?

Actually that's not true, I have a copy of TTT, downloaded it last week, and I found this scene in it. What they said in that article is that there is a scene where you can actually see Arwen, which I have as well once I found the part and went slow looking. I mean it looks just like her, and you can see it in the pics they made, it isn't something from an original plan, it is actually in the movie we all saw....

[Black Breathalizer]

It's just an illusion, Dúnedain.

All those damn elves just look alike. ;)

[azalea]

So do you think that's where she was going when she left Rivendell? Did they make her one of the elves that came w/ Haldir, and she just stayed in disguise or something? If it is supposed to be part of the movie and wasn't an idea they abandoned, I wonder how it will be addressed in RotK. It would be better for them just to have her show up w/ the banner in Gondor at her appointed time!:)

[Artanis]

Originally posted by azalea
It would be better for them just to have her show up w/ the banner in Gondor at her appointed time!:) And replace Halbarad. :(

[azalea]

Actually I meant under the silver banner at the end with all the elven-folk -- sorry to be unclear. But you're right, they may do it that way. In fact, it's probable, if the rumors of her bringing Narsil are correct.

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by azalea
So do you think that's where she was going when she left Rivendell? Did they make her one of the elves that came w/ Haldir, and she just stayed in disguise or something? If it is supposed to be part of the movie and wasn't an idea they abandoned, I wonder how it will be addressed in RotK. It would be better for them just to have her show up w/ the banner in Gondor at her appointed time!:)

Actually, that's the weird thing. She wasn't with the elves, she came down with Gandalf and the Rohirrim, as she was on horse back during that sequence....


From what I read, Halbarad is not in it at all :( And Elrohir & Elladan will be replaced by Legalos:(

[Evenstar1400]

between the time the elves arrived and the battle began, when would arwen get the chance to give aragorn narsil? he was around people at all times.

[Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn]

intresting

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Evenstar1400
between the time the elves arrived and the battle began, when would arwen get the chance to give aragorn narsil? he was around people at all times.

huh? I never said she showed up with the elves, read above and you will see the light my child :D

[Kalimac]

The three images above are not the only Arwen remnants or evidence that was found . . there are other images . . Initially, Legolas is the only one who shown with a white horse . . however when Theoden, Aragorn, Legolas and company storm out of Helms Deep . . well, check out the following pictures:

http://www.imagemagician.org/images/kalimac/arwenhorsett1.jpg
The charge from Helms Deep shows Legolas on his white horse . . but wait . .

http://www.imagemagician.org/images/kalimac/arwenttt3.jpg
There now are TWO similar riders on white horses . . is one a digitally reworked Arwen?

And, here are a couple spoiler pictures from a year or two ago . .

http://www.imagemagician.org/images/kalimac/arwenhd.jpg
Early Arwen at Helms Deep

http://www.imagemagician.org/images/kalimac/arwentthd.jpg
Another shot of Arwen at HD

Compare them to this recent screen cap from The Two Towers:
http://www.imagemagician.org/images/kalimac/arwenhdtt.jpg
Arwen fighting at Helms Deep

Remember that this is just a curiosity . . these are remnants of scenes with Arwen . . PJ changed the script to exclude her and chose to try and remove her digitally . . he just didn't get all of her taken out. That's all. Anyway, I hope it doesn't mean she arrived in disguise with the elves and just pops up . . . nah, this is just a curiosity. All the remnants in the future will probably be removed . . when the DVD/video is released she will be totally erased. :p

[WallRocker]

Maybe it's just my computer, Dúnedain, but those pics look awfully blurry:) I'm just thankful that they dicided not to put Arwen in at Helm's Deep:D

[Melkor's significant othe]

Worse still is the thought, that she's in disguise with the soldiers and she ends up playing the 'Dernhelm' role and kills the WiKi !!
Shocking - don't do it PJ!

[Lalaith]

I felt like screaming when I read on a site, that PJ had filmed Arwen at Helms Deep. Fortunately he decided just right and took her out of that parts. (but she can be seen, if you look close enough)

[LuthienTinuviel]

yea, arwen was supposed to stay with a rohan woman named morwen when everyone else was at HD, then shewould somehow sneak away to HD adnd fight...
im so glad that he changed his mind.

heehee, BB, you should be happy, PJ has moved up from "utterly detestable" to "almost likeable" on my scale!

[squinteyedsoutherner]

Does anyone know if the elves that were leaving Rivendell with the lanterns were originally the elves that arrive at Helm's deep? When Arwen looks back at Elrond in that scene Elrond looks angry, not relieved that his daughter is leaving. Both groups are wearing hoods of some dark colour. That would also explain why Haldir is added via special effects to the arriving group of elves at the Hornburg, although he was in that battle in "real footage", was perhaps Arwen the original lead elf? Were the lanterns that were held by those elves in Rivendell originally something else, like banners, but were changed (with fx) when the scenes were reworked? was the scene of the elves leaving Rivendell meant to be the response to Galadriels speech? Why else would Galadriel be trying to persuade Elrond?


Or am I just smokin' too much?

[Shadowfax]

Wow, that's a really good point, I'd never thought of it like that before. Could have been like that.

[durin's bane]

I'm not really sure. From what I can remember, I thought Arwen and Elrond were in Rivendell having their little chat about death and stuff while the battle of Helm's Deep was going on. :confused:

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Well, the Elves were moving awfully slow to get to Helm's Deep in time for the battle.

And about Elrond...He always looks angry. ;)

[Lizra]

Now I want to see the original version, with warrior Arwen!:(

[Draken]

Hey you know me. The more Arwen scenes the better.;)

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by squinteyedsoutherner
Does anyone know if the elves that were leaving Rivendell with the lanterns were originally the elves that arrive at Helm's deep? When Arwen looks back at Elrond in that scene Elrond looks angry, not relieved that his daughter is leaving. Both groups are wearing hoods of some dark colour. That would also explain why Haldir is added via special effects to the arriving group of elves at the Hornburg, although he was in that battle in "real footage", was perhaps Arwen the original lead elf? Were the lanterns that were held by those elves in Rivendell originally something else, like banners, but were changed (with fx) when the scenes were reworked? was the scene of the elves leaving Rivendell meant to be the response to Galadriels speech? Why else would Galadriel be trying to persuade Elrond?


Or am I just smokin' too much?

Just smokin' too much ;)

I actually think those Elves leaving Rivendell were those leaving for the Grey Havens, which would make the laterns, the pace of their walk, and the song they were signing understandable. I didn't quite understand Elrond's mean look on his face, except I thought about it and I think it was because he foresaw that Arwen was leaving Rivendell for Lothlorien, but she was just appeasing her father to make it appear that she was going to the Havens....

[azalea]

Well, I hope he doesn't make it as if she's LIED to her father! That would make it even more like the "wayward teen" portrayal!

[Black Breathalizer]

Originally posted by azalea
Well, I hope he doesn't make it as if she's LIED to her father! That would make it even more like the "wayward teen" portrayal! Isn't Arwen a little old to be considered a wayward teen? ;) :)

But deceiving her father is exactly what Arwen is fixing to do. ROTK will open with her having the sword-that-was-broken reforged and then secretly taking it with her when she leaves Rivendell for the Grey Havens...via Rohan. :)

[azalea]

Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
Isn't Arwen a little old to be considered a wayward teen? ;) :)



Yes, that's my point.

And your RotK scenario sounds bad for exactly that reason. Why would she need to deceive him? She's a grown elf woman who is free to do what she wants! That is why I have said in other posts that if it isn't this way, then it should be: the viewer is supposed to think that group of elves is leaving for the Havens, but is actually going to Gondor. But from what you're saying, she perhaps will show up in Rohan (does this mean she was at Helm's Deep after all?) -- is this before they all go to Isengard? Or just before the Paths of the Dead? I'm not one of those that barks at each minor change from the books, but character changes irk me. Arwen is not the "deceive her father" type. That would weaken her character, IMO, and I hope it isn't done that way. If it is, so be it, but I don't have to like it.

[Black Breathalizer]

Originally posted by azalea
I'm not one of those that barks at each minor change from the books, but character changes irk me. Arwen is not the "deceive her father" type. That would weaken her character, IMO, and I hope it isn't done that way. Arwen?...what character change?

The fact of the matter is none of us can really say with authority what Tolkien's Arwen was like. The Arwen parts of LOTR (including the appendix) are open to different equally-valid interpretations. Just because Jackson didn't give you YOUR personal perception of Arwen, doesn't mean that his Arwen is any less true to Tolkien's vision than yours.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

PJ's Arwen is a silly, stupid girl half of the time, and a confident, wise warrior princess the other half. The second half, I suppose MIGHT fit Tolkien's vision, though she seems like a heck of a lot more of a behind-the-scenes character. Anyway, I HIGHLY doubt she was schizophrenic in Tolkien's vision.

[Black Breathalizer]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
PJ's Arwen is a silly, stupid girl half of the time...I HIGHLY doubt she was schizophrenic in Tolkien's vision. Believe what you will, my point is that you have absolutely nothing to base your opinion on. If people are going to complain about how PJ has deviated inappropriately from the books, don't give me your feelings or serious doubts, give me specific examples from the book.

I think we've come up with yet another new fan category, The "I'm sure I know what Tolkien WOULD have said" Purist. ;) :)

[Coney]

I think we've come up with yet another new fan category, The "I'm sure I know what Tolkien WOULD have said" Purist.

Is P Jackson going to be the first to be labelled with this new title? :)

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Yeah, right, like he cares. :rolleyes: He just wants money!

[squinteyedsoutherner]

Does anyone know why Arwen was removed? Is the director reacting to public opinion? Is there another explanation?

[Lizra]

[i]Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
PJ's Arwen is a silly, stupid girl half of the time,

Why do you say that? Silly, stupid girl...?????? Explain please!

[Gwaimir Windgem]

She's a blubbering teenager, for Yavanna's sake! She is portrayed as a rather silly girl in TTT, who has a boyfriend that Daddy doesn't like. Also, when Elrond told her that when Aragorn died, she would wander through Middle-Earth alone forever, she certainly seemed to be buying it (Though I'm pretty sure it was stated that she would lose her immortality). She really struck as a lovestruck teenager who didn't know what she was getting herself into.

[Lizra]

Hmmm, I didn't see it that way at all. She was deeply in love with Aragorn, (hoo boy! :) ) yet she was an elf! This would be a horrible "between a rock and a hard place" situation, I would cry too!

Her father was just being a father, but of course this only made an impossible decision more heart rendering. If she had not cried and been emotional, it would have been weird! (IMO) I do not think of elves as emotionless machines.....I do not see the teenager part, She wasn't wearing her hair in a pony tail, listening to irritating music, or rolling her eyes alot! ;) :)

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Hehe, that's true about the teenager part. But she is c. 3000 years old, if I am correct; surely she is old enough to pick her own boyfriend?

Elves aren't emotionless, but I just don't see Elves acting like that.

[BeardofPants]

Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
Arwen?...what character change?

The fact of the matter is none of us can really say with authority what Tolkien's Arwen was like.

Well, I would hope that any descendent of Luthien (and therefore, Melian) WOULDN'T behave like a spoiled brat. :rolleyes:

[azalea]

Just to make it clear what I was talking about for anyone who might have misunderstood me:
My original post was in response to Dunadain's prediction that Arwen was telling her father she was going to the Havens, but was instead going to...somewhere else, it doesn't matter where. My reaction was that I hope that is not how it plays out in RotK (which we don't know about since it hasn't come out!) because showing Arwen Undomiel, Evenstar of her people, lying to Elrond about going to the Havens and instead going somewhere else mars her character in two major ways. First, it would make her a liar, which is not something that anyone in the world would think she'd be. Secondly, it would undermine her autonomy as a mature elf woman. In other words, by having her lie it would show the audience that she is not a strong, independent adult who is free to make her own decisions ("It is mine to give to whom I wish," remember?). Arwen wouldn't deceive Elrond, and everyone knows it. PJ has set her up that way in FotR and in the flashback scenes in TTT. By going w/ the "deception" scenario, he'd be going against his own characterization of her. A character change, if you will. He'd of course also be changing her character from the book, which is where PJ got her character from: a beautiful elf woman in a strong leadership position, beloved by all who knew her. Characterization as I was using it had nothing to do w/ scene changes, we all know about those, and I wasn't referring to anything like that. If I were to do that, I would be complaining about the whole scene between her and Elrond, but I'm not. I'm simply saying that I hope that Dunedain's prediction does not happen.
I hope this clears it up for everybody, because I know you wanted to know all this in great detail, didn't you?;)

[LuthienTinuviel]

haha lizra, i think that females are the only ones who would understand the teary scene of arwen! (well unless your BB.. hmm wait a minute...:eek: )

but anyways.. i thought of the scene as something like arwen has always had the comfort of knowing that she will live forever, having that invincible feeling if you will, so to realise that she will become mortal (and as my dear friend, gwaimir pointed out in another thread) and since mortals don't know what becomes of them when they die, she suddenly realises that she doesn't have that comfort anymore, even if she knew that she would die, she didn't really know...

the only way i can think of explaining this is, checking the box on the back of your driver's liscense saying that your an organ donor. it forces you to think about your death and what will become of you, even though everyone knows that they will die someday it isn't something that you really know. and it's scary, death is terrifying, horrible and sad. ive had two friends die this year and another who is alive might not make it, so pardon me if i sound morbid at all.

it is a very scary moment when you have to think of your own death, so i guess that's why i really like the scenes with her and elrond.
BTW elrond always looks angry cause of his lumpy head.:p

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by LuthienTinuviel
as my dear friend, gwaimir pointed out

Awwwww, I have a friend! :D

[Lalaith]

I didn't think that Elrond looked angry. But Arwen looked sad.

[Artanis]

Elrond didn't look angry, he looked grieved. Because Arwen will not be sailing West.

I'm sure we will see flashbacks of Arwen having Narsil reforged in RotK.

[Lalaith]

I'm sure we will see flashbacks of Arwen having Narsil reforged in RotK.

Is Aragorn already carrying Narsil in TTT?

[Black Breathalizer]

The way the film was edited, the audience is made to feel that Arwen is leaving for the Grey Havens. But we know she doesn't. In flashback we will probably learn that the Rivendell party was always setting off for Rohan and will arrive at the beginning of ROTK (no, she's not already there.) :)

My arguement was that Tolkien's Arwen was never given enough "print time" to give the reader a true understanding of her character. But after thinking about azalea's comments, I find myself agreeing with her that PJ's Arwen wouldn't lie to her father. The scene where Arwen says to Aragorn when he tries to give her back the Evenstar necklace, "It was a gift...keep it." makes it pretty clear that she's straightforward and handles herself with great dignity and class. She doesn't strike me as a liar either.

[Dúnedain]

I think we will probably learn more about that scene when Arwen and company are leaving Rivendell in the Extended Edition DVD. Kinda like in FotR when Frodo was seeing his companions look at him in the mirror of Galadriel, that actually happened in a scene that was deleted and then cleared up in the Extended Edition where they were waiting to get into Lothlorien while Aragorn was talking with Haldir.

Anyway, point being, there is more to that scene that we will all learn, whether it is in a flashback or in the Extended Edition DVD, because something funky is going on with Elrond's face :p

[Lizra]

Originally posted by LuthienTinuviel
[B]haha lizra, i think that females are the only ones who would understand the teary scene of arwen!

Yes...so true! Crying is a welcome, cleansing relief, and a blessing at times. Especially when in PMS! It's such a hassle in a family situation though, You can't run to your bedroom and sob in peace like Arwen did. Everybody freaks out "Mommy's crying!!!". Then dad has to immediately find out what's wrong, tracking you down and quizzing you in mid blub....causing further distress and more crying because it's all so illogical and you now feel stupid for causing a "scene"! :D

[Artanis]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Is Aragorn already carrying Narsil in TTT? No he isn't. But I think Arwen had the sword reforged before she set out from Rivendell. She is taking the sword to him. The scene belongs in TTT if you are to follow a strict timescale, but it could have been postponed to RotK and shown in flashback.

Or there's a possibility that it will be included in the TTT extended version, as Dúnedain pointed out.

Of course all this is merely speculations on my part. :D

[Artanis]

Originally posted by LuthienTinuviel
but anyways.. i thought of the scene as something like arwen has always had the comfort of knowing that she will live forever, having that invincible feeling if you will, so to realise that she will become mortal (and as my dear friend, gwaimir pointed out in another thread) and since mortals don't know what becomes of them when they die, she suddenly realises that she doesn't have that comfort anymore, even if she knew that she would die, she didn't really know...I have to comment on this. I think Arwen knew perfectly well all the time that she would become mortal if she were to marry Aragorn. That was not her problem, the love she felt was so strong she would gladly give up her immortality for him (even if she at that time perhaps did not fully understand what it meant). Her tears, I think, were due to the fact that her choice would cause great sorrow and grief for the other beloved persons in her life: Her father and her grandmother. And that her choice meant she would be separated from them as long as the world would last.

At least that is how I interpret that scene. :)

[Lalaith]

At first: I always wondered why elves have to give up their immortality to marry a man. Is it a heart thing or like a "law".

Second: I think the trailer scene, where Arwen says to Elrond: "You have the gift of foresight, tell me what you have seen", will be included on the Extended DVD

[Jonathan]

There have only been three elvish-human marriages, Arwen and Aragorn, Luthien and Beren, and Idril and Tuor.
Arwen and Luthien gave up their immortality, but Idril didn't. So I guess there is no law which says that the elves must become mortal to marry mortal men. Otherwize, should Idril be considered a criminal?

[Artanis]

Originally posted by Lalaith
At first: I always wondered why elves have to give up their immortality to marry a man. Is it a heart thing or like a "law". Hm - I'm tempted to answer this in terms of the book: It is not a 'law'. Arwen and her twin brothers were special, because they were Half-Elven. They were given a choice: whether to stay in Middle-Earth and share the gift of Men, or to sail into the West and be reckoned among the Elves. Arwen chose to stay because of her love to Aragorn.

Lalaith, you have read the 'Athrabeth' recently, haven't you? There you see clearly that love between Elf and Man in general does not change their fate regarding to death.

Now in the movie, Arwen doesn't seem to be Half-Elven. Actually I think her fate is a bit confusing. IIRC Elrond on one occasion says "I will not leave my daughter here to die!". It seems to be a sort of 'law' here, but the movie doesn't offer any explanation now, does it? You just have to accept it. :)

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Artanis
Now in the movie, Arwen doesn't seem to be Half-Elven. Actually I think her fate is a bit confusing. IIRC Elrond on one occasion says "I will not leave my daughter here to die!". It seems to be a sort of 'law' here, but the movie doesn't offer any explanation now, does it? You just have to accept it. :)

Well, in Fellowship, Elrond is introduced as Elrond Half-Elven, if I remember correctly....

[Artanis]

Is he really? I don't recall that. But anyway, it's still confusing. :)

[Nurvingiel]

I don't think there's anything to those pictures. There was just three blurry pictures of a random, unidentifiable elf. And since when does Arwen have a distinctive sword?

*generally disgruntled about movie-Arwen*

[Lalaith]

Lalaith, you have read the 'Athrabeth' recently, haven't you? There you see clearly that love between Elf and Man in general does not change their fate regarding to death.
Can't remember that name. In which book are the Athrabeth included?
There have only been three elvish-human marriages, Arwen and Aragorn, Luthien and Beren, and Idril and Tuor.
Good point but what makes me think is another fact that was in LOTR. Tolkien writes, that Prince Imrahil has elven blood in his veins. And it is said that an ancestor of Prince Imrahil had a lady of the fellowship of Nimrodel as wife and they had children. Shouldn't that be considered as a elf/men relationship, too.

[Jonathan]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Good point but what makes me think is another fact that was in LOTR. Tolkien writes, that Prince Imrahil has elven blood in his veins. And it is said that an ancestor of Prince Imrahil had a lady of the fellowship of Nimrodel as wife and they had children. Shouldn't that be considered as a elf/men relationship, too. From what I know, the elvish blood of Imrahil is just a legend. The people of Dol Amroth wanted to believe that they were closely related to the elves, but they didn't have any proof. The elven heritage was a tradition in Dol Amroth, and not necessarily a true story.

[Artanis]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Can't remember that name. In which book are the Athrabeth included?The "Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth" is in HoME 10, Morgoth's Ring. Didn't Sister Golden Hair quote a large part of it for you in another thread? Or maybe my memory has failed me. :) *does a quick check in the Sil forum."
Yes, I remembered right. It's in the "Turin and Nienor" thread.

[Lalaith]

The "Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth" is in HoME 10, Morgoth's Ring. Didn't Sister Golden Hair quote a large part of it for you in another thread? Or maybe my memory has failed me. *does a quick check in the Sil forum."
Yeah, I remember I read that part, but I didn't read any of the History of Middle-earth books, except the Books of Lost Tales.
I think I will in future, but not by now as they won't be published in German and in English it is rather difficult.

[Evenstar1400]

Hehe! i have some possible proof that arwen was a helms deep in the movie! in the hardcover version of The Lord of the Rings: The Making of the Movie Trilogy, on page 49, there is a picture in the lower right hand corner. It depicts pj, and some people from the crew looking at a sketch, some extras in costume, and two rows of blue chairs for the actors, in a place that looks like helms deep. on two of the chairs you can see the names of the characters eowyn and arwen. so its a possibility that arwen was in the scene.

[Nurvingiel]

Well Eowyn wasn't in that battle either, so ha!

Maybe each character had her own chair, and Eowyn and Arwen wanted to sit and watch them film that scene. That's a plausible explanation. :)

[cassiopeia]

Helm's Deep was filmed at night in the freezing cold, so I don't know why anybody would want to watch the filming of it. Maybe Liv wanted to check out Orlando. ;) :D

[Lalaith]

Arwen definitely was included in the original version and thinking of Eowyn, she is there two in TTT. She just hides but does not take part at the battle because she isn't allowed to.

[Evenstar1400]

thats highly possible

[Frodo_is_all_mine]

I think the reson of this is because in ROTK there going to make arwen's part bigger. Those battle scenes maybe from ROTK. Possibly the battle at Minas Tirth. There are some pics of Arwen at HD. This maybe in the next movie because after they go to Issengard they go back to HD. Arwen might join them there. Nurvingiel, acutally Eyown was included in the battle scene. In one of the deleted scenes she battels an orc that comes in the caves. Go to:

http://www.quintessentialwebsites.com/lordoftherings/movieshots_ttt/ttt_b3c07_scene7.htm#top

scrool down till u get to the part were eyown is.

They also deleted some more of Arwen's scenes:

http://www.quintessentialwebsites.com/lordoftherings/movieshots_ttt/ttt_b3c07_scene3.htm#top

Jut keep scrolling down and you'll see some pictures of Arwen that you never saw in the movie.

[Ararax]

*cough*
OMG whos the genius who stick arwen in a battle, her mom was attacked by orcs do you think elrond would let her out of rivendel much less to gondor, not even to mention raceing ringwraiths

[hectorberlioz]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Well, the Elves were moving awfully slow to get to Helm's Deep in time for the battle.

And about Elrond...He always looks angry. ;)

arwen in helms deep battle,hmm,i know arwens supposed to be real warrior like in some ways, but if haldir(who i think they made look fat and funky) didnt survive thew battle, it wouldnt of made sense if arwen did. it was an idiotic notion that im glad passed out of peter jacksons mind. what im hoping is that it will not be in extended version of the two towers.
-hectorberlioz

[hectorberlioz]

Originally posted by Frodo_is_all_mine
I think the reson of this is because in ROTK there going to make arwen's part bigger. Those battle scenes maybe from ROTK. Possibly the battle at Minas Tirth. There are some pics of Arwen at HD. This maybe in the next movie because after they go to Issengard they go back to HD. Arwen might join them there. Nurvingiel, acutally Eyown was included in the battle scene. In one of the deleted scenes she battels an orc that comes in the caves. Go to:

http://www.quintessentialwebsites.com/lordoftherings/movieshots_ttt/ttt_b3c07_scene7.htm#top

scrool down till u get to the part were eyown is.

They also deleted some more of Arwen's scenes:

http://www.quintessentialwebsites.com/lordoftherings/movieshots_ttt/ttt_b3c07_scene3.htm#top

Jut keep scrolling down and you'll see some pictures of Arwen that you never saw in the movie.

the qoute about frodo being sexy and sam and frodo doing thier joke about another sequel( lord of the rings doesnt have sequels) are the most idiotic things ive ever heard, they sound like they came from someone who thought lord of the rings was idioitic and the only thing that they liked was james bond and star trek.
-hectorberlioz

[LutraMage]

Originally posted by Ararax
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OMG whos the genius who stick arwen in a battle, her mom was attacked by orcs do you think elrond would let her out of rivendel much less to gondor, not even to mention raceing ringwraiths Helm's Deep ain't in Gondor....:p