Gandalf v. Harry Potter, who will win?

[Elf.Freak]

ok, now you've seen LOTR (before/after Harry Potter) who do you think is the real wizard? i mean, would you prefer an Old-fashioned (as i call it) wizard aka Gandalf or would you prefer 'You're-a-wizard-Harry' aka Harry Potter?

i know who i'd prefer (Gandalf, duh! :D )

to lighten your spirits, check out This page (http://209.240.152.182/mckellen/images/0417.jpg) and you'll see what i mean.

::sorry if this post has already been done!::

[Lady of Rohan]

Definatly Gandalf! * looks behind shoulder to make sure sister isn't watching (if she was I'd probably be bitten!)*

[Evenstar1400]

rumor has it ian mckellen will play dumbledore in place of richard harris. i think he would do a good job in that role.

[eowyngirl14]

I would have to go with Ron! (shut up! I know he was not one of the choices)

Accualy, Micheal Gambon will be playing Dumbledore. He wa born in 1940 in Dublin, Ireland.:) :)

[Huan]

Gee, what a tough question. Hmmm, after hours of long and difficult soul-searching :) I suppose I'll go with the wizard who smote the balrog's ruin upon the mountainside.

[eowyngirl14]

So he can smoute (what does that mean anyway?) the ruin of a Balrog on a mountain... but can he steal teenage hearts everywhere? I don't thins so!:) :) Besides wands are soooo much cooler than staffs!:)

Ron is hotter than Harry!:)

[Wayfarer]

Well, Harry is a human, and thus a mortal. I would have to say that, even if all other things were equal (which they're not) Mortal<Immortal.

[eowyngirl14]

I disagree Wayferer...
mortal<immortal may be true... but hot<old.. is WRONG!!!!:) :) Ron rox!

[Wayfarer]

The question is 'who is the real wizard'. Not 'who would you rather sleep with'.

As far as I know, neither gandalf nor harry potter rely on sex appeal for their magical powers.

[eowyngirl14]

that's what you think...:) :) LOL! If I were in a tough situation I would rather have Gandalf on my side! :) :)

[pippinschick3000]

i would want to have harry on my side because he would save me and look cute while doing it

[eowyngirl14]

Yes, but! Gandalf wouldn't waste time running around trying to distract basalisks! he would just kill it to begin with! And Gandalf looks old and decrepid, so his enemies would underestamate him, but Harry thinks that he is all that... he would become cocky... AND DIE!!:) :)

[pippinschick3000]

ya but harry can move faster and doesnt have long hair that could get in his eyes, also he is smaller there for a smaller target to hit and he has a cool scar that will distract the enemy while he kills it and gandalf well hes just..... hes just ugly

[eowyngirl14]

hes... not a word..
he's- contractin for he is... PAY ATTENTION IN ENGLISH!

Harry is young and a fool! Gandalf wears his hair in a ponytail... it won't get in his eyes. JK is always saying how Harry's hair is untidy and falls IN HIS EYES! Gandalf can put a little bubble around himself... he doesn't have to waste time doging things... and would not be a bigger target!:) :) Personally I think Gandalf is hotter than Harry anytime!!!! :) :)

[pippinschick3000]

oh,
its on eowyn girl,
first of harry has an owl and what gandalf have besides the really cool pointy hat and a big bird to ride on out of escape, NOTHING!!!! and what kind of a person are, one of those freaks that likes old hairy people???? and ummmmm and ummm ur ugly!!!

[eowyngirl14]

I believe that is a deliberate troll!
I OBJECT!

First of all, the big bird thing is an eagle called Eswiarth, I believe!

It's own? I think you mean on!
what kind of person are? I think you mean what kind of person aer you .

There is nothing wrong with old people! I believe that Gandalf is the real wizzard! He is one of the five Istari! Harry... all he did was get a scar when some fool tried to kill him after killing his mother! HE IS FAMOUS BECAUSE HIS PARENTS ARE DEAD!!

[Evenstar1400]

HARRY POTTER AND THE ORDER OF THE PHOENIX COMES OUT JUNE 21 BY THE WAY YIPPEEE!!!!!

[pippinschick3000]

ok,
first of all,
you are trying to say all this smart stuff and mispelling it eowyngirl,
like what the heck is deliberae?
i think u ment deliberate!!
and hello didnt u read any of the books???
ummmm....
he saves the school,
not to mention ron the ugly one,
and he saves rons little sister when ron didnt have the guts too,
and hes a better wizard,
face it!!
hi carrie!!!

[Wayfarer]

Further reasons why gandalf is better than harry:

He defeats Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli-arguably the most heroic fellows of the free races-at once. He can light things on fire and shoot laser beams out of his fingers. He can read and influence the minds of men. He has superhuman strength. He has a flaming sword. He can do magic without a staff or a wand. He can do magic on somebody else's wand. He can call in thirty foot birds of prey and the worlds fastest horse for reinforcements. He has the respect of the elves, who have far more magic than humans, and the dunedain, who are the most gifted humans on earth. Eru likes him.

[eowyngirl14]

hi Kate!

Accually, I corrected myself... and deliberat is not a word either!

And I have read all the books multiple times! Gandalf saves the world, not the school... obvously more important! Ron was trapped behind a wall of solid rock! I think that is a good exuse for not saving someone!:) :)

[eowyngirl14]

Wayfarer... I do not believe that Gandalf can shoot lasrer beams out of his fingers... that would be the emperor from Starwars... and he was EVIL! :) I know for sure that he cannot do this in the movie. PJ makes a point of having Gandalf subtle magic. I am pretty sure that he can't in the book either.:)

But Gandalf is better than Harry Potter... but Ron, that's another story!

[pippinschick3000]

hello, he saves the wizard world!!!
which is sooooo much cooler than the regular world,
and he saves oliver wood who believe me,
is worth saving!!!!!!

and u spelt obvious wrong carrie!!

[eowyngirl14]

How does he save Oliver Wood? Other than when he saves the whole wizarding world? I suck at spelling! Get over it!:) :)

[pippinschick3000]

i know u suck at spelling ur in my class

[Wayfarer]

*/takes the opportunity to proselytize.

Join the Evangelistic Association for Correct Spelling today, or your English grades are going to burn! ]: )

[Legolaslvr!]

WAY TA GO WAFARER!

Are ya really in pippinschick3000 class eowyngirl14???:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

[pippinschick3000]

what does proselytize mean?

[Shadowfax]

I don't know what proselytize means, but going back to the original question of this thread, I would definitely, without a doubt choose Gandalf over HP any day! Heck, I'd chose Sauron over HP! (oops, I forgot this isn't the 'who hates Harry Potter' thread):D

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by pippinschick3000
what does proselytize mean?

I am with you on thatone Kate...

Yes, legolaslvr. We are bestfriends and go to the same school as Evenstar1400, who is our other bestfriend. We like to argue a lot. Pippinschick was on the debate team for awhile. You might have noticed that I wason the HP side of this argument untill she came along and took that side too, then I had to cross over and defend Gandalf with my life! We are both known for our atrocious spelling...:) :) :)

[Lady of Rohan]

[i]Originally posted by pippinschick3000
and he saves oliver wood...[/B]

How did he save Oliver Wood?

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Lady of Rohan
How did he save Oliver Wood?

precisly what I was wondering! I think that pippinschick3000 meant that when Harry allegedly saved the who wizard world, he saved everyone in it. So she could just sit at her somputer and type in every wizard name in the book and say he saved them! But since the dark lord was stopped, we have no idea what could have happened if he wasn't stopped!:D :D Therefore, Gandalf is the better wizzard, and Ron is the hotter wizard!

[Huan]

Quote: So he can smoute (what does that mean anyway?) the ruin of a Balrog on a mountain

Eowyngirl, smote is the past tense of smite, as in Gandalf would SMITE Harry Potter.

I cannot believe how many posts this thread has gotten already. I mean, who would win in a fight, Gandalf or Batman?

[eowyngirl14]

batman sucks!!! Gandalf all the way! Even HP could take on batman and win! The man wears tights with underwear over them for gods sake!:) :)

[Lady of Rohan]

Originally posted by eowyngirl14
precisly what I was wondering! I think that pippinschick3000 meant that when Harry allegedly saved the who wizard world, he saved everyone in it. So she could just sit at her somputer and type in every wizard name in the book and say he saved them! But since the dark lord was stopped, we have no idea what could have happened if he wasn't stopped!:D :D Therefore, Gandalf is the better wizzard, and Ron is the hotter wizard!

Thanks for clearing that up!

[Inderjit Sanghera]

What a silly question! Harry Potter is imcompareable to Gandalf. It's like comparing the Godfather 3 to The Godfather 1, or Keanu Reeves to Robert De Niro, or Eminem to Tupac *Continues to babble*

[Elf.Freak]

one qusetion to the Harry Potter supporters, is Harry Potter on a mission to save...er...Hogwarts?! ah! see? Gandalf is! in my opinion, Harry Potter is this boy with a scar on his head, ohhh, scary! *shakes*
ok, they both have 'wands' but Galdalf has FIREWORKS! **the brightest rockets ever seen, shinig in colours of blue and green!**
:D:D:D

[pippinschick3000]

yes,
fireworks are cool,
but does he have a really cool broomstick to ride around on anytime he wants?

[entss89]

hold on thats a big decision!:rolleyes:

of course gandalf!

[Wayfarer]

You know, you would all benefit greatly if you made it a point to read the dictionary. It would do wonders for your vocabulary, which in turn would greatly increase your ability to communicate in a clear and concise fashion.

And you wouldn't go around making fools of yourselves by acting like five year olds.

[eowyngirl14]

Accualy fireworks do come out of Harry's wand. Book 4. The wand guy... forget his name at the moment.. Oliver something I think, come in to check the wands of the 4 champians. He makes red sparks fly out of the tip. book 2. Malfoy sends up red sparks from his wandto allert Hagrid that there is a big black thing trying to get Harry. book 4. Harry sends up sparks again to alert a teacher to come get krum... anything else?:) :)

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Gandalf is a Maia; a being of spirit, one of the Ainur, rather like an Angel. Hairy;) Potter is a little boy.

Wands are silly little sparkle-things; it is in a staff where true power resides. Gandalf has been in Middle-Earth for 2000 years, let alone the fact that he's been in the Blessed Land since pre-First Age, I expect. FAR more wisdom than a little (13? 14?) year old boy. He is wiser, more magical (in that he is a supernatural being), stronger, more goodly, and more wizardly. Gandalf is by an enormous amount superior to Harry Potter. The difference is similar to Who knows more about mathematics? Einstein or a 2-year old. j/k of course, but it's really not much of a contest.

[Elenka]

Isn't it obvious?

Harry is a tragic little hero. He has Hermione to do his magic for him and Ron to provide comic relief. Harry himself runs fast and ducks punches. How wonderful.

Gandalf is clearly more wizard-like. You can even argue that he would be more wizard-like in a HP-world. He's a lot like Dumbledore in that sense. Besides that, Harry is not a fully grown wizard. He's just a little shrimp with a stick. :D

I have a feeling those HP supporters are coming to get me!:D

[eowyngirl14]

I bet Harry gets more fanmail than Gandalf!

[Andúril]

A real wizard is not concerned with "fan mail". Shame.

[Sween]

Gandalf would kill harry quicker than you can say Hadgrid :D

[Elf.Freak]

ok...Hagrid! *hears the flop of H.P's dead body* heh heh...oops...no-one'll miss him!:D

[kiwi]

i totally have to say Gandalf! He rules! :D

[Arathorn]

I think Gandalf is many times more powerful and knowledgeable than Harry Potter but I would say that HP will win on a technicality. He always does and after a while it gets old.

[BeardofPants]

Originally posted by Arathorn
I think Gandalf is many times more powerful and knowledgeable than Harry Potter but I would say that HP will win on a technicality. He always does and after a while it gets old.

Not necessarily. In Goblet of Fire Cedric dies, and Voldemort comes back to life. Hardly a win. :rolleyes:

[Arathorn]

Originally posted by BeardofPants
Not necessarily. In Goblet of Fire Cedric dies, and Voldemort comes back to life. Hardly a win. :rolleyes:

My precious post RUINED...RUINED!!! Nasty SheepofPantses!:eek: :p

[Falagar]

I believe this discussion is really stupid and mindless. So naturally I have to post in it! :D

I think HP could have won...If Gandalf was bound, cut up in pieces, blinded, relieved from his magic and had a really bad day. Then HP would have a small chance to beat Gandalf. If HP got lucky, that is.

[eowyngirl14]

Even though I have been switching sides alot, I think that there is no doubt in all lotr and HP fans that Gandalf could kick Harry's butt. I am really exited for 5th HP book!:) :)

[Legolaslvr!]

Of course the answer is Harry just kidding GANDALF IS DA MAN!!!

On a scale of 1-10 Gandalf gets a 9 and a half!!!!!!!!:D :D

[eowyngirl14]

Gandalf gets an 11. Harry gets a -999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,99 9... ect. ect. oh yeah... Ron gets a 4...

[Evenstar1400]

gandalf is really old....... around 300 years or so
harry is 14 or so........ my age

gandalf is cool cause he can defeat balrogs
harry is cool cause he defeated voldemort (2 times)

they get the same score...9

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Gandalf is a supernatural being: so are Balrogs. Harry Potter is a mere human, as, I believe, is Voldefart. (sorry, just slipped out).

And Gandalf has, no doubt, been around since the world was shaped; he's been in Middle-Earth proper (Excluding Aman) for around 2000 years; He has GREAT wisdom, GREAT power, a GREAT sword, and a talent for mopping up little wannabe wizards.

[FrodoFriend]

I don't know. Gandalf is, of course, the Wizard of Wizards, but Harry's pretty cool too. If anyone were competition for Gandalf, it would be Hermione!!

[Elf Girl]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Harry Potter is a mere human, as, I believe, is Voldemort.
Not anymore.

[Elenka]

Originally posted by Evenstar1400
gandalf is really old....... around 300 years or so
harry is 14 or so........ my age

gandalf is cool cause he can defeat balrogs
harry is cool cause he defeated voldemort (2 times)

they get the same score...9

Don't you mean, Harry is negative 9? Gandalf=+11 and Harry=-9.

And in my opinion, Harry can only be credited with one defeat of Voldemort. As a baby, he didn't do anything, and so I can't include it. In the first book, Dumbledore ultimitely comes to save the day. In the second book, I'll admit it, he does defeat V. In book three, V. doesn't come into it much. In book four, Harry helps V. regain his powers. Not such a great record, is it?

[Sween]

Originally posted by Elenka
Don't you mean, Harry is negative 9? Gandalf=+11 and Harry=-9.

And in my opinion, Harry can only be credited with one defeat of Voldemort. As a baby, he didn't do anything, and so I can't include it. In the first book, Dumbledore ultimitely comes to save the day. In the second book, I'll admit it, he does defeat V. In book three, V. doesn't come into it much. In book four, Harry helps V. regain his powers. Not such a great record, is it?

even so gandalf would of dispatched with voldermort in about 2 seconds.

[FrodoFriend]

Yeah, but Harry's so nice. I couldn't say anything against him. :)

[hobinator]

hands down no contest Gandalf
but maybe Gandalf and Dumbledore....hmm...that might be a contest

[Wayfarer]

gandalf is really old....... around 300 years or so

Erm... Try 30,000 maybe?

[LuthienTinuviel]

not touching this one....:D

[eowyngirl14]

Id Harry were in charge of the Fellowship, they all would be dead in a matter of seconds. HOw do you expect him to find Mt. Doom and the way through the MInes of Moria if he can't even read a map of his schoool right and ends up being late fot transfiguration?

Only 151 more days till book 5 comes out!!:) :)

[Millane]

ok Gandalf faces HP and breaks his wand, HP is now powerless to do anything really bad. HP knows he is stuffed and reaches for his hehehe sword which gandalf shatters with a single swot from Glamdring. HP curses Godric saying he should have known to use metal instead of plastic, HP wets his pants and starts calling on others for support first he calls Hagrid. Gandalf thinks 2 can play at this game and summons Tulkas who ultimately destroys Hagrid. HP is getting nervous and dumbledore has the sense to flee but he sends his Phoenix... Gandalf calls Gwaihir who eats the phoenix. Hermione thinks herself King Dick and runs to HP's aid she turns on Gandalf glaring she says "how dare you go near HP just who do you think you are?" gandalf gets Gwaihir to swoop one more time and says "ive not passed through fire and death to bandy cricked words with a little tart now eat her Gwaihir" Ron runs over and Gimli beats him down. Gandalf has conquered Hogwarts. later on that day he lifts his staff in the air and destroys the whole Harry Potter wizarding world.

Millane looks around at the Harry Potter fans milling around wanting his blood then turns around "BRING IT ON PUSSIES"

GO GANDALF

[Huan]

Sounds about right, Millane.

[eowyngirl14]

That was a bit harsh Millane!:) :)

[Elf.Freak]

Originally posted by Millane
ok Gandalf faces HP and breaks his wand, HP is now powerless to do anything really bad. HP knows he is stuffed and reaches for his hehehe sword which gandalf shatters with a single swot from Glamdring. HP curses Godric saying he should have known to use metal instead of plastic, HP wets his pants and starts calling on others for support first he calls Hagrid. Gandalf thinks 2 can play at this game and summons Tulkas who ultimately destroys Hagrid. HP is getting nervous and dumbledore has the sense to flee but he sends his Phoenix... Gandalf calls Gwaihir who eats the phoenix. Hermione thinks herself King Dick and runs to HP's aid she turns on Gandalf glaring she says "how dare you go near HP just who do you think you are?" gandalf gets Gwaihir to swoop one more time and says "ive not passed through fire and death to bandy cricked words with a little tart now eat her Gwaihir" Ron runs over and Gimli beats him down. Gandalf has conquered Hogwarts. later on that day he lifts his staff in the air and destroys the whole Harry Potter wizarding world.

Millane looks around at the Harry Potter fans milling around wanting his blood then turns around "BRING IT ON PUSSIES"

GO GANDALF

heh heh, i agree! :D

[FrodoFriend]

NOOO!!! Harry Potter is cool! Second only to LotR!!

LotR is a queen among other queens . . . not a mistress of many slaves . . . ;)

[Millane]

ohhhhh well what can you expect when such a stupid thread comes along... harry potter over gandalf what trash...
ummm eowyngirl14 which part exactly did you find harsh???

[Wayfarer]

BRING IT ON PUSSIES?

:confused: ]: )

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Millane
ohhhhh well what can you expect when such a stupid thread comes along... harry potter over gandalf what trash...
ummm eowyngirl14 which part exactly did you find harsh???

The part where you made Harry Potter sound like a bumbling idiot! He is a wizard in training! He hasn't graduated from Hogwarts yet! soon he will be the most famous Auror of all! Come back talk to me then!:) :)

[Millane]

if he isnt already a bumbling idiot then i think a duel with gandalf would certainly make him that.
nobody stress that nobody in harry potter could take on there LotR counterpart right down to Madam Rosmerta vs Barliman Butterbur... ohhh now that would be sweet to watch

[Wayfarer]

No matter how powerful a human harry potter is, he's still a human. He could never compare to gandalf in power or wisdom. That's the long and short of it, folks.

Let me say to you that I don't have a problem with your likeing harry potter. Those books have been on my reading list for some time (the're around 40-50ish). But however much you like him, you've got to admit that Harry potter could never beat gandalf. That's just the way it is.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by FrodoFriend
NOOO!!! Harry Potter is cool! Second only to LotR!!

LotR is a queen among other queens . . . not a mistress of many slaves . . . ;)

Arrgh! Heresy! Burn! ;)

[Wayfarer]

Heresy it is. Lotr is the King of Fantasy. None of this queen business.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

I would say Mythology, but yes, other than that, right on the button.

[goodwarlord]

All ya' alls know that Gandalf would bust harry's chops. I mean he could just bust him down like Sampson. Jimmy on the other might put up a better chop bustin' match, Squak!

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by goodwarlord
All ya' alls know that Gandalf would bust harry's chops. I mean he could just bust him down like Sampson. Jimmy on the other might put up a better chop bustin' match, Squak!

could you please repeat that in english???:) :)


Ya... Harry Potter would get his butt kicked by Gandalf, but hey? I like to argue!:) :)

[hobinator]

Originally posted by goodwarlord
All ya' alls know that Gandalf would bust harry's chops. I mean he could just bust him down like Sampson. Jimmy on the other might put up a better chop bustin' match, Squak!

who are sampson and jimmy?

[Millane]

Ya... Harry Potter would get his butt kicked by Gandalf, but hey? I like to argue!
cool keep it up then i like arguing to. ill get it started again..

soon he will be the most famous Auror of all!
that will not save him as far as i know there are 3 pissweak curses (that are the 3 most dangerous in the HP world) only one of which can kill... curses in the HP world are pathetic as is demonstrated in The Goblet of Fire when HP jumps out of the way of a Curse to me that seems that a gun would be better than any of there magic. ohhhhhh what i would give to see the Last Alliance invade Hogwarts and destroy HP...

[eowyngirl14]

It is true that only one curse can kill. But doesn't that say that HP world is less violent and more advanced them middle earth. So much of lotr is derived around killing, in HP people are only temporarily killed. Everyone who was petrified got better. With the exception if Cedric and Harry's parents, no one important was killed. in lotr Boromir died! Gollum died! Hama died! Boromir's dad dies! (forget his name... the guy who tried to blow up himself and his son!) Do you see a comom theme?

Also...

Some things are worse then death. The crusias curse puts the person/animal it is being cast on in horrible pain! I would rather die then spend the rest of my life in never ending pain! Take Nevil's parents! They were both aurors put under the crusias curse, and look how they turned out! in a mental hospital, they don't ever recongize there own son! The imperious curse allows the caster/user to to control the actions of another person! That is pretty bad! One could amke another person do whatever they wanted them to! The castor/user could permanently screw up someones life!:) :)

[Rána Eressëa]

I like them both, but Gandalf is a Maia and Harry's just a mortal, sooooo...you can see where this is going, right?

[Wayfarer]

I got around to reading harry potter this weekend, and I have come to the conclusion that all you people better lay off the purple every flavor beans. Gandalf would decimate him.

[Rána Eressëa]

Yes, he would.

[Wayfarer]

So, Heather, nice to see you back. :D

[HOBBIT]

duh Gandalf would win........Harry is still cool though. The better question would be DUMBLEDORE vs GANDALF. I mean Harry is just going into his 5th year of magic training - hes a kid.

[Wayfarer]

Do you see dumbledor as the balrog slaying type?

[Rána Eressëa]

Hmph...good one, Wayfarer. He's got a point, you know. Either way --- Gandalf wins. :cool:

[HOBBIT]

Voldemort vs Gandalf - oh wait if a little boy can beat him so can Gandalf :p

[Wayfarer]

Voldemort versus Sauron

One escapes death by putting all his power into a magic ring, the other escapes death by sticking himself to the back of some other guy's head. ]: )

[Rána Eressëa]

At least Sauron was an actual challenge......

[Millane]

Eowyngirl14 i cant really be stuffed quoting you but with my understanding the cruciatus curse gave some sharp pain but then it was released... hey its been awhile since i read these books but didnt HP and Cedric cop the Cruciatus curse??? So much of lotr is derived around killing
yes and thats because the people in LotR have the means to kill... and by the way why does that matter in the slightest. thats one of the things that makes LotR a better book than HP... ohhh and Hama was soooo important let me see Barty Crouch and Son, Bertha Jorkins, old man at the start of tGoF... well ok more important people die in LotR than in HP but in my books that doesnt really count for much because Nob is more important than HP and everyone else doesnt compare...

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Millane
Eowyngirl14 i cant really be stuffed quoting you but with my understanding the cruciatus curse gave some sharp pain but then it was released... hey its been awhile since i read these books but didnt HP and Cedric cop the Cruciatus curse???

Yes Harry was released from the curse... but he didn't have to be. He could have been kept under it for his entire life! (Though Voldemort's hand would have gotten a little tired prolly...) Even a little sharp pain your entire life would unbearable to me.... but then again I am a weakling who is desperatly afriad of any sort of physical pain!

yes and thats because the people in LotR have the means to kill... and by the way why does that matter in the slightest. thats one of the things that makes LotR a better book than HP... ohhh and Hama was soooo important let me see Barty Crouch and Son, Bertha Jorkins, old man at the start of tGoF... well ok more important people die in LotR than in HP but in my books that doesnt really count for much because Nob is more important than HP and everyone else doesnt compare...

Just because you are able to do simething doesn't nessesarily mean you should do it. Just becasue we have the means to anhilate (spelling?) the entire planet sure as hell doesn't mean it should be done! That matters because I am very against violence in any form. Couldn't Gandalf have talked it out and compromised with Saruman? (oh wait... he already tried that!) Okay, so maybe there was no point to that little tidbit... BUT

We didn't have the emotional attachment to Barty Crouch his son and Bertha Jorkins that I did with Hama. They were not as developed charecters! Therefore their deaths were not as heard to deal with! (I know I am stretching it a bit but o wel!):) :)

[Millane]

how can you say that Hama was a developed carachter????????? you arent one of those people that think the same of Haldir are you??
anyways Just because you are able to do simething doesn't nessesarily mean you should do it. Just becasue we have the means to anhilate (spelling?) the entire planet sure as hell doesn't mean it should be done! That matters because I am very against violence in any form.
ohhhhh goody Ethics... i must warn you i took on my 5000 year old mr burns like Headmaster in a debate about the acceptability of violence and i gave him a hiding... it was the only time i got away with calling him ignorant... are you one of those people that thinks violence is never the right answer??? to quote Theoden in the movie "what can men do againts such reckless hate?" well of course the answer is ride out and slaughter them... what did you suppose Aragorn should have done at Pellenor Feilds sat down for a cuppa with Saurons armies and tried to persuade em that this wasnt the right answer???
anyways i would write more but i gotta go engage in some PlanetDestroying mwahahahahahaha :p

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Millane
how can you say that Hama was a developed carachter????????? you arent one of those people that think the same of Haldir are you??


Maybe...

ohhhhh goody Ethics... i must warn you i took on my 5000 year old mr burns like Headmaster in a debate about the acceptability of violence and i gave him a hiding... it was the only time i got away with calling him ignorant... are you one of those people that thinks violence is never the right answer??? to quote Theoden in the movie "what can men do againts such reckless hate?" well of course the answer is ride out and slaughter them... what did you suppose Aragorn should have done at Pellenor Feilds sat down for a cuppa with Saurons armies and tried to persuade em that this wasnt the right answer???

Yes actualy I od believe that violence is never the answere! Two wrongs don't make a right! "what can men do againts such reckless hate?" Wel... they could... they could... go into therapy??

*smiles sheepishly and runs away*

Oh and before you ask... I do want to save the whales and the rainforest!:) :)

[Millane]

hehehehehehe... now this was the part were i called him ignorant because there isnt always a good answer... theres someone with a hostage in his house he isnt listening to anything anyone is saying he is going to kill the bloke... whats your answer??? i would kill him first....

[eowyngirl14]

Wel... you wouldn't have to kill the man holding someone else hostage. They could just shoot him with one of those tranquilizers, who know like they use on cows? Then they could arrest him.

The man holding the other person hostage is obviously very mentally unstable. The people who live/work around him should have noticed and tried to get him help. There is always a root to a problem. And I think there is always atleast one chance to stop the problem before it gets to big to handle. But I see your point. Fortunetly I am not a police officer or other emergency worker, and i don't have to make those tough calls. I would prolly cave under all of the pressure anyways. That is a good question. You can never really know for sure whether or not that someoneis goin to kill their hostage.


(I am forgetting how this relates to Harry Potter and Gandalf...):) :)

[FrodoFriend]

Ummm, right.... meanwhile, I have reasoned out a possible answer to the question of Harry vs. Gandalf.

Both Harry Potter and Gandalf are the Number One Good Guy Wizard in their respective worlds. They only fight evil, and they always win.

Therefore, if the two were pitted against each other, they would not be able to fight, as both only fight against evil, and both are by definition good. However, if one of them turned evil, they would then be able to fight; the one who turned evil would lose, however, since the other one, by requirements of his character, always has to defeat the evil.

Thus the question is - which one would turn to evil first?

Harry has strong reasons not to turn to evil, what with his parents being murdered by Voldemort. He also proved himself unable to kill even someone he truly hates (Sirius Black, when he still believed that Sirius had murdered his parents). Furthermore, being a child he retains some innocence and resistance to evil that adults do not have.

Gandalf, being a Maia, has a great deal more wisdom than Harry, and would probably know better than to turn to the dark side. I am certain that Gandalf the White would never be turned, even by the One Ring itself. Gandalf the Grey, however, admitted that he feared to wield the Ring due to its evilifying effects. There is a slight possibility therefore that Gandalf the Grey may have been turned to evil, given lots of time and the One Ring.

I therefore conclude that although Harry Potter might possible beat Gandalf the Grey, he would never even come close with Gandalf the White, and they'd never fight anyway, so the question is moot . . . :)

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Both evil and good are born into a person; children don't have to be taught to to lie, or to take another child's toy away from them. Evil comes naturally to people; youth doesn't necessarily mean your free of evil.

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by FrodoFriend
so the question is moot . . . :)

'Tis not. I forget whos side I was on... so I now think that the on;y true way to tell which wizard is stronger is to see of they cou;d defeat each others foe.

Harry should be forced to battle Saruman

Gandalf should be forced to battle Voldemort.

If Gandalf is killed then Harry is the better wizard. If Harry id killed, then Harry is still the better wizard...

I am not bias... I don;t care what you say!:) :)

[FrodoFriend]

Huh? Are you replying to my post? Because I wasn't even addressing that subject. Harry and Gandalf are not evil because that's how their characters are written. This is about fantasy fiction writing, not human nature.

[FrodoFriend]

Originally posted by eowyngirl14
'Tis not. I forget whos side I was on... so I now think that the on;y true way to tell which wizard is stronger is to see of they cou;d defeat each others foe.

Harry should be forced to battle Saruman

Gandalf should be forced to battle Voldemort.

If Gandalf is killed then Harry is the better wizard. If Harry id killed, then Harry is still the better wizard...

I am not bias... I don;t care what you say!:) :)

But both of them would win, because they're Good Guys, and the Good Guys always win. Frankly, I think they'd both win by sheer power anyway....

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Both evil and good are born into a person; children don't have to be taught to to lie, or to take another child's toy away from them. Evil comes naturally to people; youth doesn't necessarily mean your free of evil.

No, but if soesn't make you evil either. If evil is discouraged as a child, then the child will learn to live without it.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Exactly; youth doesn't necessarily mean someone is pure and innocent, nor does it mean they are necessarily spoiled brats.

FF, I was replying to:

Furthermore, being a child he retains some innocence and resistance to evil that adults do not have.

About their characters, that of course is right; but saying being young makes him more resistant to evil is, in my opinion, incorrect.

Hmm...Where do Good Guys lose...I know someone who's writing a fantasy series which has a very tragic end, where evil basically wins...That's all I can think of. But you're right, the Good Guys have a tendency to win. To paraphrase Dark Helmet, "Because Evil is dumb." Ok, maybe that wasn't exactly what he said... ;)

[eowyngirl14]

Well... If you took Gandalf and Harry Potter out of the story books and brought them to life and they kept all of their charecteristics and their backgrounds and histpries are the same, except for their tendency to win... who do you think would win fighting against each others enemy.

HP verses Saruman

Gandalf verses Voldemort:)

[Celebréiel]

Originally posted by eowyngirl14
HP verses Saruman
muahah! :D I really dont know that much about Harry Potter, but honestly, he would get his butt kicked completely by Saruman! No chance.
~Celebréiel

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Saruman=Maia. Saruman>Harry
Gandalf=Maia. Gandalf>Voldemort

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Saruman=Maia. Saruman>Harry
Gandalf=Maia. Gandalf>Voldemort

YOU LIE!!!!

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Nope, fraid not. :) (Well, maybe not fraid...)

[FrodoFriend]

I think Harry could beat Saruman. He beat Voldemort, after all. And Gandalf would definitely chew Voldy to pulp . . . so they'd both still be equal.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

But Voldemort is a human; Saruman is a Maia, and the most powerful of the Wizards.

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
But Voldemort is a human; Saruman is a Maia, and the most powerful of the Wizards.

What's with all this human dissing? Look around you, Do you see any Maia? Noooooo... Doesn't that tell you something. LIke maybe, humans survived untill the 21 century but the Maia's were siped out? I am not sure, but I think that might make the humans better!:) :)

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Pffffffft. Maiar don't live here, silly! They live in Valinor, which is no longer attainable through the world. Anyway, Maiar are supernatural beings, and thus of course better at using supernatural power.

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Pffffffft. Maiar don't live here, silly! They live in Valinor, which is no longer attainable through the world. Anyway, Maiar are supernatural beings, and thus of course better at using supernatural power.

Right... supernatural power Well in my opinion magic is diferent from supernatural power. Therefore I would have say that HP's magic is stronger than ay supernatural power.:)

[Wayfarer]

Magic and supernatural power are the same thing.

[Wayfarer]

And Gandalf is stronger magically than Harry Potter. End of story.

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Wayfarer
Magic and supernatural power are the same thing.


su·per·nat·u·ral adj
1.relating or attributed to phenomena that cannot be explained by natural laws
2.relating or attributed to a deity
3.relating or attributed to magic or the occult


mag·ic n
1.conjuring tricks and illusions that make apparently impossible things seem to happen, usually performed as entertainment
2.a special, mysterious, or inexplicable quality, talent, or skill

They are similar, but definetly no the same!

[Wayfarer]

Supernatural (2) and Magic (1) and do not apply in this situation.
Supernatural (1) can describe Magic (2)
Supernatural (3) is relates to Magic

Supernatural and Magical are the same.

[eowyngirl14]

No they are not IMO. to me, supernatural suggests a force greater than nature. But magic IMO had it's basis in all living things. AKA nature! They are not the same! Each powerful in their own ways.

[Wayfarer]

You are wrong, or rather, you are using a very limited definition of magic. Magic (in fiction) can come from yourself, nature, a god, etc. But magic is the same as supernatural power in the case of gandalf versus harry.

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Wayfarer
You are wrong, or rather, you are using a very limited definition of magic. Magic (in fiction) can come from yourself, nature, a god, etc. But magic is the same as supernatural power in the case of gandalf versus harry.

okay fine... but I still think that the only way to tell who is stronger/will win is to have Harry battle Saruman and Gandalf battle Voldemort, with his newly auired powers.

[pippinschick3000]

i agree with carrie,
the only way to tell is to bring them both here and set up a whole battle arena. that would be awesome I would like bring all these harry potter rules posters and like paint my face with harry potter colors!! any ways the real reason i replied was to let carrie know i got a computer so i can go on entmoot now!!! didnt u guys notice i was gone??? bet u missed me!!! anyways i have to catch up to eowyns 600 and somethin posts so heres one. Did everyone hear that my school went to see LOTR 2 for a field trip, it was awesome!!! then i got to write a paper on it. we had to choose a charector with a choice and inner conflict throughout the film!!!! i chose Arwen!!! it was soooo much fun!!!!!! :)

[Wayfarer]

You know what would happen, don't you?

Gandalf would help harry with saruman, and harry would help gandalf with voldemort. :D Then they'd play quiddich and blow smoke rings. ;)

[Falagar]

Isn't Harry too young to smoke?

*visions Harry and his friends standing in a corner of the schoolyard smoking pipes*

[Wayfarer]

He would have a magic self-puffing piple. :rolleyes:

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by pippinschick3000
i agree with carrie,
the only way to tell is to bring them both here and set up a whole battle arena. that would be awesome I would like bring all these harry potter rules posters and like paint my face with harry potter colors!! any ways the real reason i replied was to let carrie know i got a computer so i can go on entmoot now!!! didnt u guys notice i was gone??? bet u missed me!!! anyways i have to catch up to eowyns 600 and somethin posts so heres one. Did everyone hear that my school went to see LOTR 2 for a field trip, it was awesome!!! then i got to write a paper on it. we had to choose a charector with a choice and inner conflict throughout the film!!!! i chose Arwen!!! it was soooo much fun!!!!!! :)

omg! I missed you sooooo much! (you'll never catch up to my nearing 700 post count!) If you go to the venting thread I complained about you moving for about a week! I think people started getting bored about hearing 'my life sucks' over and over again!

I still say Arwen sucks! Eowyn is better!:) :)

*visions Harry and his friends standing in a corner of the schoolyard smoking pipes*

LOL! Too funny!:) :D :)

[pippinschick3000]

ha! arwen is ooooo much better!
even my brother says she is hotter than eowyn face it carrie elfs rule!
and my arwen costume was better than ur eowyn costume for halloween!

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by pippinschick3000
ha! arwen is ooooo much better!
even my brother says she is hotter than eowyn face it carrie elfs rule!
and my arwen costume was better than ur eowyn costume for halloween!

You wore a medieval princess costume!!!!

My costume tok about a month to make... oh... and I got a cape! and a sword!!!

Your brother broke his arm 5 times! And you arestill listening to what he tells you??...

BackOnTopic-

harry is better:p !

[FrodoFriend]

Originally posted by Wayfarer
He would have a magic self-puffing piple. :rolleyes:

When I read this, I thought it said 'He would have a magic self-puffing pimple.' Urgh.

So, what is a 'piple' anyway? ;)

[samwiselvr2008]

Gandalf of course! I mean, I love the HP series and all, but think about it, you are a wizard, a or b...
1. pick your transpertation
a. a broom stick
b. being saved by an eagle as the tree below you burns with the sounds of Goblins to chill the ashes

2. Pick your weapon
A. wand, smaller then chouse b, and might a unicorn hair in it
b. a staff, a great walking stick, always at hand, and not in your cloke, but more of a trouble to carry then chouse a

3. Pick your color
a. Always black
b. Grey to white

4. Pick your companions
a. Hermonie and Ron
b. A fellowship of 8 others, one of which is immortal, one futcher king, one futcher mayor, one Ring Bearer trying to save the world, 2 "little people" who are trying to help the Ring bearer, one dude with a long beard and a rolling toung, very willing to risk it all, one man who's father is a ruler of Gondor

5. Pick your world
a. A school
b. Middle Earth

And finally...

6. Pick your name
a. Harry Potter
b. Gandalf

Did you pick a or b the most amount of times? I picked b

[eowyngirl14]

I didn't nkow 'futcher' is a word... hmm you learn knew things every day!

wow- I haven't been to this thread for a while! anyone want to say that Gandalf is better> or HP for that matter? I would be happy t odebate with you...!?


I got 4 b's and 3 a's...brooms are alot cooler!

[Estel13]

I got 4 b's and 3 a's too. Harry Potter all the way. 'Cept Gandalf knows Aragorn......Oh, I don't know!
:confused:

[The Lady of the Wood]

oh come on harry is doing spells to fetch his broomstick while gandalf is saving middle earth.gandalf is soooo much better :rolleyes:

[Estel13]

The Summoning Spell is COOL! Useful too. Gandalf's ok. But Aragorn is so much cooler! ;)

[Lady_of_the_Golden_Wood]

Go Gandalf, Go Gandalf... uh... I mean, they both have... talent?

[Melko Belcha]

This is like asking who would win between Mike Tyson and Michael Jackson. There is no contest. Gandalf is from beyond the world, he was there at it's creation when Iluvatar spoke the word Ea.

How can you compare a kid learning to become a wizard against a being who is other then the world he is in? Sent by the Powers of the World, and then sent back after death by the One, to become the second strongest force in ME (not Arda) unless you were to come before the Dark Lord himself.

[Lady_of_the_Golden_Wood]

Originally posted by Melko Belcha
This is like asking who would win between Mike Tyson and Michael Jackson. There is no contest. Gandalf is from beyond the world, he was there at it's creation when Iluvatar spoke the word Ea.

How can you compare a kid learning to become a wizard against a being who is other then the world he is in? Sent by the Powers of the World, and then sent back after death by the One, to become the second strongest force in ME (not Arda) unless you were to come before the Dark Lord himself.

Micheal Jackson! :eek:

Gandalf and Harry Potter, ummm... well. Like ^ said. I don't think there's even a chance of Harry winning.

What about Harry Vs. Sauron. :p That would be funny.

I think Gandalf could beat any of the HP characters even Voldemort(sp?)

[Belle]

Yeah but I think Dumbledore could take Gandalf any day... And when Harry grows up and is a proper wizard with all his OWLs then Gandalf will have to step aside. Because Harry is human and therefore understands us better, and has a heart and a personality.

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Melko Belcha
This is like asking who would win between Mike Tyson and Michael Jackson. There is no contest. Gandalf is from beyond the world, he was there at it's creation when Iluvatar spoke the word Ea.

How can you compare a kid learning to become a wizard against a being who is other then the world he is in? Sent by the Powers of the World, and then sent back after death by the One, to become the second strongest force in ME (not Arda) unless you were to come before the Dark Lord himself.

who is Mike Tyson??

Harry is better!

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by The Lady of the Wood
oh come on harry is doing spells to fetch his broomstick while gandalf is saving middle earth.gandalf is soooo much better :rolleyes:

Gandalf is an over-acheiver. He just can't let ayone else have the glory can he?? Noooooo! He has to come back even after he should have been killed to finish 'his' task. Isn't the task of the whole fellowship?? well, atleast the people who survived the breaking of the fellowship??

Also Gandalf has a really big nose, has anyone else noticed that? It is really really big, it is scary! I thought it was a prothestic piece at first, but then i saw a picture of Ian on the posters for Xmen 2 and his nose was really big there too! how can anyone with such a big nose be better than Harry? who, btw, has a very average sixed nose!:) :)

[Legolas_is_fit]

I think Gandalf is better ok Harrys young and needs to learn more wizard spells but hes a bit of a boaster and gandalf keeps everything nice and simple so dumb blondes likee me can understand.
Harry is to fast and confusing,and plus hes not fit at all Draco Malfoy gets my vote.

[Aralyn]

GANDALF ALL THE WAY



Just testing the smilies:) :( :o :D ;) :p :rolleyes: :mad: :eek: :confused:

[eowyngirl14]

I just watched HP and the Chamber of Secrets in he privacy of my own home! hee hee hee! It came out on DVD yesterday!

Harry is such a show off and overachiever! it's insane how stuck up he acts in the movie!:) :)

I guess I like Gandalf better!

[Aralyn]

I agree eowyn.

[Eowyn, Lady of Rohan]

Originally posted by Aralyn
GANDALF ALL THE WAY


GO ARALYN!

[Bombadillo]

Yes, ditto. "You shall not PASS!!" Tis the greatest line ever spoken.

[Linaewen]

Originally posted by Bombadillo
Yes, ditto. "You shall not PASS!!" Tis the greatest line ever spoken.
Arghhh. You will just keep giving us the line, no matter what, right?

But I agree. Gandalf all the way. Not because I like Tolkien better (which I do), but he is just so much more powerful IMO.

[SamwiseGamgeeOTS]

hmmmmm. Gandalf would win by force, but HP would win by looks. It just depends on the catogory of the judging. I was sitting in a cafe yesterday and thought i saw Ian Mckellen walk by, but b4 i could say anything he was gone....depressing.....Lin suggested that i should have stood up and said YOU SHALL NOT PASS! That would have been a good time haha. but, prolly Gandalf in the end.........:rolleyes:

[Linaewen]

Originally posted by SamwiseGamgeeOTS
hmmmmm. Gandalf would win by force, but HP would win by looks.

Having not read the first post, I would like to know if this is a battle of both power and looks? Hmmm. Gandalf could win both. Firstly, the Istari appeared as old me, perhaps to fit the cliche of wise mentors. Who knows, they could have been more beautiful than HP, for instance? Hence, I would say Mithrandir has won it all. :D

[SamwiseGamgeeOTS]

you always have to be the smart one......GOLLUM COULD BEAT OUT ANYONE!

[Fimbrethil]

Gollum could beat anyone! That is if he didn't dance himself off cliffs all the time. <_>

[9FingeredFrodo]

true...true....

[Fimbrethil]

Haha, 9fingered Frodo agrees!!:D

[Fingolfinrox]

One way to look at the debate is thinking if Harry Potter could beat a Balrog... NOT A CHANCE!!!
Gandalf could reduce Harry to a crater in no time. I've amused myself by writting stories of Middle Earth versus Hogwarts. (Hogwarts is such an idiotic name. I can't believe Harry Potter is popular. Oh well, it'll be forgotten in a few years, but LOTR NEVER WILL BE!!!)
:D

[Fimbrethil]

So true, so true. Because even years after Tolkien wrote LOTR people still enjoy them enough to make a movie of it. Harry Potter however has had a movie made of that book only months after the 3rd book was writen!

[samwiselvr2008]

Haha, my stupid sister is sitting here and says that Harry Potter is better, but then again, she hasn't even seen the second HP or LOTR movie (much less read the books).:rolleyes:

Mithrander seems to get the persentage of the votes so far!!!:)

[Fimbrethil]

Well I thought about it and if you're going for action packed, hard-core, really cool, wish it could happen movie then LOTR. But if you want an extremly confusing plot and ugly elves then HP is your thing. Personnally I'd chose the first one. :D

[Dreran the Green]

Personally, I'm with the above. (no offense meant to Harry Potter fans)
But are we talking about who was in the better movie, or who would win in an all-out fight?
Either way...Gandalf wins though.

[Fimbrethil]

Hurrah! Another supporter to Gandalf.

[gimli7410]

i would say gandalf wins but i dont know why. welcome to the moot dreran

[Fimbrethil]

C'mon you gotta know why! Because he's the greatest wizard of all time (in the TT and ROTK, in FOTR he was a push over compared to Sauromon).

[gimli7410]

ok that can be my reason:D

[Fimbrethil]

Hehe. You're sooooooo creative with your reasons!:D

[Dreran the Green]

There are A LOT of reasons out there why Gandalf would win.
But he wouldn't even need to start getting complicated and use his magic! He just has to take out Glamdring and WOOSH! Harry Potter loses.
By the way, thanks for welcoming me, gimli. Everyone here is really friendly:)

[JCL2]

There is not many wizards that can defeat a balrog,so,yea,Gandalf all the way!;)

[samwiselvr2008]

Originally posted by SamwiseGamgeeOTS
hmmmmm. Gandalf would win by force, but HP would win by looks.

That matters if you go by the books or the movies! (and how old you are, I geuss;) )

[Lalaith]

Gandalf, of course.

[Dreran the Green]

YAAAAAAAAAAAY! GAAAAAAANDAAAAAAAALF!!!!!:D :D :D

[Evenstar1400]

I beg to differ...

Harrywould most definetly win any compitition you can think of to decide who is better. And would you like to know why? He a born over-achiever. He can't handle defeat well, therfore some ninny would feel sorry for him and cheat, and somehow he would win. But ofcoarse because no one wants to accuse innocent little Harry Potter of cheating, he would win.

[Gulio, Strength of Many]

Harry Potter is just a little geek with a scar and a wand. He's so stinking ANNOYING!!!!!!!!! The best he can do by himself is stick a light at the end of his wand. What's so great about a bratty little kid with a scar on his forehead?

Gandalf kicks butt. I rest my case.

[The Ben]

Originally posted by Elf.Freak
ok, now you've seen LOTR (before/after Harry Potter) who do you think is the real wizard? i mean, would you prefer an Old-fashioned (as i call it) wizard aka Gandalf or would you prefer 'You're-a-wizard-Harry' aka Harry Potter?

i know who i'd prefer (Gandalf, duh! :D )

to lighten your spirits, check out This page (http://209.240.152.182/mckellen/images/0417.jpg) and you'll see what i mean.

::sorry if this post has already been done!::

Gandalf. Duhhh.

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Gulio, Strength of Many
Harry Potter is just a little geek with a scar and a wand. He's so stinking ANNOYING!!!!!!!!! The best he can do by himself is stick a light at the end of his wand. What's so great about a bratty little kid with a scar on his forehead?

Gandalf kicks butt. I rest my case.

i beg to differ.
harrys is anything but a geek. he is not smart at all. he does bad in most of his classes. and he can do a lot more than use a lumos charm ot make a light appear at the end of his wand.

harry is also not bratty at all. he was deprived of everything until he got to hogwarts. he gave up his 500 galleons prize money to fred and george. hes only got 3 friends. (one of whom is hagrid) and yet you still call him a brat. tsk tsk tsk...

atleast he can do real magic and make things appear out of thin air. gandalf cant do that. so gandalf can come back from the dead, or whatever he did. i could do that if i had the motivation.

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by JCL2
There is not many wizards that can defeat a balrog,so,yea,Gandalf all the way!;)

there are not many wizards who can beat he-who-must-not-be-named 3 times, so HArry all the way!

[Dreran the Green]

Arrrgh!!!!! Maddening!!!!!

If Harry did go and defeat Voldemort (Heehee I said his name) 3 times, well then it leads to the idea that he must not be very hard to defeat. Are you saying Gandalf couldn't? Harry Potter may have kicked Voldemorts arse a good three times, but he didn't fight a demon for ten straight days with no food or anything. And thats not all Gandalf did! Think of all the bad stuff that must've happened to him during the course of his really, really, really long lifetime! Harry Potter was never a prisoner in the dungeons of Sauron, thankyou very much!

GANDALF IS SUPREME WIZARD OF EVERYWHERE!!!

[Salquënòrëwen]

Gandalf!!! He doesn't use a wimpy little wand, he uses a staff!!!:p ;) :D

[Varda Oiolosseo]

*singing*
Go Gandalf...Go Gandalf...Go Gandalf!

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Dreran the Green
Arrrgh!!!!! Maddening!!!!!

If Harry did go and defeat Voldemort (Heehee I said his name) 3 times, well then it leads to the idea that he must not be very hard to defeat.

ahh! you said 'his' name! *claps hands over ears, then claps hands over eyes...* umm... i think that he who must not be named is hard to defeat! t hats why no one, not even James Potter, or Dumbledore have been able to completly anhile at him yet, Duh!

Are you saying Gandalf couldn't? Harry Potter may have kicked Voldemorts arse a good three times, but he didn't fight a demon for ten straight days with no food or anything. And thats not all Gandalf did! Think of all the bad stuff that must've happened to him during the course of his really, really, really long lifetime! Harry Potter was never a prisoner in the dungeons of Sauron, thankyou very much!

ya your right, Gandalf is old and weak. he should have died when he fought the balrog, but he didnt. cause he needed to come back and 'finish what he had started' does he think hes better than everybody else? haldir didnt get to come back! harry was too smart to become a prisoner in the dungeons of sauron. he was never caught, exceot for that one time in the 4th book, but lets not get into that.
gandalf on the other hand is so trusting that he walked right into a trap and was help prisoner because he was too sad and depressed and WEAK to figure out how to get out.
he had to have a little wimpy moth to his dirty work for him.

[Dreran the Green]

*gasps* YOU CALLED GANDALF WEAK!!! YOU CALLED GANDALF WEAK!!! *faints* *wakes back up*

Heyyyy, the moth wasn't in the books, you know. And I could say the same for a certain pheonix.

And just cos he got to come back that doesn't mean he thinks he's better than everybody else! You are mixing my precious Gandalf up with Sarumaun! And ya know what I think he was pretty brave to go into Dol Guldur like that. Harry never got stuck in the dungeons of Sauron because

A: Sauron isn't in the HP books!

B: Sauron doesn't want to waste his time with Harry Potter! If Harry Potter HAD gotten stuck in his dungeons like that, I'll betcha he would have come out lookin' like some little gollumish creature.

How dare you call Gandalf weak! Gandalf is the strongest, coolest, pointy-hattedest wizard ever! He fought a Balrog, Escaped the dungeons of Sauron, tamed Shadowfax, He has a staff not a dumb wand, He knows (or did know at one time) "every spell in all the tongues of Elves or Men or orcs", He is, what? Over two-thousand and he still fights in wars, He is the person most highly attributed with Sauron's downfall at he end of the WR, and when Harry Potter is that old he is NOT going to even be alive! He'll be dust! Dust I tell you! AAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!

Up with Gandalf! Down with Harry Potter! All Gandalf freaks unite!!!! Mwahahahaha....

[eowyngirl14]

Fawks is cooler than that little moth and you know it!and Fawks came to help Harry out of his own good will, he wasnt summoned and he wasnt forced to fly a gazzilion miles to get some bigger bird.

Gandalf is such an over acheiver! he always had to be the best doesnt he? he jiust cant give up can he? no i didnt think so!

out with the old, in with the new, Gandalf is soooo old news. im sorry. but your just going to have to accept it. or die trying.p :p

Harry Potter freaks UNITE!:

[Dreran the Green]

but your just going to have to accept it. or die trying.p

THEN I WILL DIE AS ONE OF THEM!!!!!!!!!! (Gandalf Freaks, that is:p )

And I TOLD YOU, the moth wasnt in the books! Disregard the moth! It was supposed to be Radagast that helped Gandalf out!

And Gandalf is not an overacheiver! He just happens to be concerned with the welfare of the world!!! Ya don't call all those modern day heroes like firefighters or something overacheivers, now DO YOU???? Hmmmmm???????? Case Closed.

Actually, its not closed because I still have a lot to tell you. But that I will save for another post.

*Smears warpaint on face and turns to face her army of Gandalf defenders*
CHARRRRRGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anibriwien]

yeah I can agree to that we DON'T CALL THEM OVERACHEVERS but I thing if you have to choose between Fawx and a moth fawx rules!! sorry dreran

however between harry and gandalf soory to say Gandalf is way cooler and can do a lot more.

[Elf Girl]

No, no, you must choose between Faux and Gwaihir! Forget about the moth! Honestly... "I would bear you wither you will even were you made of stone."

[eowyngirl14]

**summons great armies of HP fans...** **sees that no one comes running and prepares for battle herself**

1) Harry is better than Gandalf because he carries a wand sich is far more practical than a staff because it is a more convienent size and can easily be hidden if the need should arise. For instace, Gandalf would have had no trouble brining in a wand to Helms Deep to bring Theoden King back to the light. But Hama, I think it was, tried to take away Gandalfs staff.

2)Harry is better than Gandalf because because he is a child and people wouldnt normally suspect him to have great power, therefore he can go places with out being suspected unlike Gandalf who is sooo proud that he wears those big billowing robes everywhere he goes.

3) Harry is better than Gandalf because as my good friend kate pointed out, Gandalfs lond hair could get in his eyes and confuse him, but Harry haa nice short black hair which couldnt possibly impair his eye sight.

4) Harry is better than Gandalf because Harry has a broomstick he can ride around on. he doesnt need a big eagle to come and save him.

5) oh and last but no least, Harry is a lot better looking than Gandalf, although Ron is hotter than both of them by far!:) :) :)

[Salquënòrëwen]

Gandalf is better becasue...
1. He's wiser, braver, and knows A LOT more about magic than Harry.
2. He has A LOT more magical abilities than Harry.
3. He actually KNOWS how to use a SWORD! Unlike a certain snot-nosed kid who looks like an idiot with a sharp stick!!!!:p

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Salquënòrëwen
Gandalf is better becasue...
1. He's wiser, braver, and knows A LOT more about magic than Harry.
2. He has A LOT more magical abilities than Harry.
3. He actually KNOWS how to use a SWORD! Unlike a certain snot-nosed kid who looks like an idiot with a sharp stick!!!!:p

I OBJECT! i beg to differ.

did you just call HP a snot-nosed kid who looks like an idiot with a sharp stick??? thats is, your going down.

Harry is not snot nosed. he is not a little kid, he is almsot 15 years old. andi think he used the sword pretty well considering it was his first time ver touvhing a sword!
Gandalf had years of practice to master the art of sword fighting. im sure he wasnt to hot at it either when he first learned how.

[Salquënòrëwen]

No, you're going down!!!:p

And that wasn't the only point I was making....looks like you couldn't defend "Potty" against my other two reasons....you know why? BECAUSE THEY'RE TRUE! GANDALF IS BETTER!!!

[eowyngirl14]

YOU LIE! actually i had to use the real potty , but now i am back! so watch out!

1) harry knows more about modern magic then gandalf and he knos a lot about ancient magic. but gandalf can never learn about modern magice because he sailed to the undieing lands never to be seen again! Harry can always gain moer knowledge, but Gandalf is done. as for braver, i think they are both pretty darn brave i ntheir own ways. as for wise, when Harry reaches the 'ripe old age' that Gandalf is at he would be pretty darn wise too. but he is a lot more wise than a lot of people i knowat 15.

2) i dont think he has more magical abilities. infact now that i try to remember the only big magic thing i can remember gandalf doing is when he put that bubble thing around himself to protect himself from the balrog. harry on the other handhas done a lot.

[Salquënòrëwen]

If that's all you can remember, than you must have a terrible memory. Either that, or you havn't read the books...

[eowyngirl14]

i read the books almost 2 years ago. and yes i do have a terrible memory. thankyou for reminding me. i had almost forgotten about it.

[Salquënòrëwen]

Your welcome!!!:p :D

And I think I'm going to leave this thread for good now....Bye everyone!!!!

[eowyngirl14]

bye bye.. we are the only ones here at te moment. so now i will have to argue woth myself.. everything i say will echo in the emptiness of this thread....

echo! echo! echo! echo! echo! echo! echo! echo!

[Dreran the Green]

I'm here :) *walks in and casually states that Gandalf would win*

[Aewionen]

lol! this is funny just reading!:p :D

Gandalf would win! I don't see Harry Potter killing a Balrog and other such stuff.
But, then again, Voldemort wasn't able to kill Harry(he probably couldn't kill Gandalf either:p) and that does show a bit of strength. But that just shows that Saroun is most likely more powerful than Voldemort.:D
I still think that Gandalf would win.

[eowyngirl14]

well i think harry would win!

illl tell you why later, im leaving for the movies like any second now... yup theres my ride.

[Nurvingiel]

Fun, a debate! I'm going to jump in too, whee...

I think it would be Gandalf, overall, simply because he is wiser and has more experience.

It would be hard to tell in an actual battle, because you can't compare their magic. Potter's magic is direct, usually takes immediate effect, and must be done with a wand. Gandalf's magic is very subtle, so that it's hard to discern from ordinary planning and leadership. Gandalf also uses direct magic that goes *FOOM*, but much less often than wizard's of Harry's world.

[Dreran the Green]

Yay! More Gandalf people!

Gandalf WOULD WIN because, well, actually I'm too tired right now to go into it. I'll tell you later. When I'm more awake. Right now I need to go find a frappucino....

[Gulio, Strength of Many]

I have lots of points to cover on why Gandalf could kick Harry Potter's wimpy little butt anyday!!!!!

1) Gandalf has a STAFF! not a wimpy little pointy twig. Wands are for Tooth Faries and people that go Bippity, Boppity, Boo!

2) Gandalf is older, wiser, and better looking then Harry Potter. This kid is butt ugly for crying out loud! Gollum is better looking then Harry Potter!!!!

3) Gandalf can actually achieve SOMETHING on his own. Try to name one thing Harry Potter did on his own, with no help from anyone. Can't think of anything? My point exactly.

4) You think after four stupid years, Harry Potter would get the picture that there is going to be an attempt on his life and the Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher will have something to do with it!! You'd also think that he'd know that Snape is not evil. He just hates is guts, like me.:D

I could go on forever, but I'd get in trouble for having too long of a post.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Prepare for a list of reasons why Gandalf Rocks Harry Potter's Pimply Little Wannabe Ass:

Gandalf had years of practice to master the art of sword fighting. im sure he wasnt to hot at it either when he first learned how

I highly doubt Gandalf, as a wizard, a leader, and an inspirer, "trained" at using the sword.

1) Harry is better than Gandalf because he carries a wand sich is far more practical than a staff because it is a more convienent size and can easily be hidden if the need should arise. For instace, Gandalf would have had no trouble brining in a wand to Helms Deep to bring Theoden King back to the light. But Hama, I think it was, tried to take away Gandalfs staff.

2)Harry is better than Gandalf because because he is a child and people wouldnt normally suspect him to have great power, therefore he can go places with out being suspected unlike Gandalf who is sooo proud that he wears those big billowing robes everywhere he goes.

3) Harry is better than Gandalf because as my good friend kate pointed out, Gandalfs lond hair could get in his eyes and confuse him, but Harry haa nice short black hair which couldnt possibly impair his eye sight.

4) Harry is better than Gandalf because Harry has a broomstick he can ride around on. he doesnt need a big eagle to come and save him.

5) oh and last but no least, Harry is a lot better looking than Gandalf, although Ron is hotter than both of them by far!

1) The staff is also BETTER than the wand.

2) People did not suspect the Istari of possessing great powers, and only thought of them as wandering old men. Remember, Gandalf was thought by the Hobbits to be naught but an old conjuror; a conjuror being, either a) one who practices the art of Conjuration (which I believe has to do with summoning) or b) a trickster, an illusionist; almost certainly, the latter is meant. Hardly "great powers". Also, I would point out that the elderly are generally respected for their wisdom, something which children are not.
3) What makes you say that Gandalf has long hair? Just because PJ paints him that way doesn't make it so. :p
4) Nope, he needs a frickin' stick. :rolleyes:
5) Absolutely pointless and invalid.

1) harry knows more about modern magic then gandalf and he knos a lot about ancient magic. but gandalf can never learn about modern magice because he sailed to the undieing lands never to be seen again! Harry can always gain moer knowledge, but Gandalf is done. as for braver, i think they are both pretty darn brave i ntheir own ways. as for wise, when Harry reaches the 'ripe old age' that Gandalf is at he would be pretty darn wise too. but he is a lot more wise than a lot of people i knowat 15.

2) i dont think he has more magical abilities. infact now that i try to remember the only big magic thing i can remember gandalf doing is when he put that bubble thing around himself to protect himself from the balrog. harry on the other handhas done a lot.

1) "modern" magic? Magic is a very, very, VERY old concept; it's not with a bunch of scientists running around, making new spells and breakthroughs every day. :p Besides, what in the name of the Holy Queen of the Stars makes you say that because Gandalf has gone to the Blessed Lands that he cannot learn more? Besides, Gandalf has been learning for THOUSANDS of YEARS; Harry Potter has been for, what? Three, Four?

2) Um...balderdash. Find out what an Istar is, please. :) Hairy Pothead could never defeat a demon of such ancientness, such power, such magnitude as the Bane of Durin.

And of course, the ultimate proof of Gandalf being mightier than Potter is that he is a DIVINE BEING. He is, to a lesser extent, a GOD. The same goes for Sauron vs. Voldemort, btw.

[Sheeana]

Ah yes, but Harry is just a kid - he hasn't fully grown into what he will become. By the way, I was under the impression that you hadn't read Harry Potter? Or have you just read the first one? :confused:

[Gwaimir Windgem]

I've read a little of the first; wasn't my bowl of soup. :)

[Dreran the Green]

Soup is good if it comes with oyster crackers.:)

Anyway, read all of them. Reading OotP. GANDALF IS BEST! :D

[Gwaimir Windgem]

The Answer to this Great Philosophical Question located here (http://www.grudge-match.com/History/gandalf-dumbledore.shtml). ;)

[Nurvingiel]

I'm joining the Yea Gandalf camp, but I'm not joining the Bashing Harry Potter with Senseless Comments camp.

Anyway, one important reason I think Gandalf would win is that Harry sometimes takes foolish risks (ie. sneaking off to Hogsmeade when he knows someone is after him. The fact that that person turned out not to be evil is irrelevant.) Gandalf knows when risks are necessary (ie. the aforementioned Balrog battle.)

Further, Harry seems to rely entirely on magic. We know Gandalf can fight mideval style as well as use magic. His staff, bashed by Harry Potter supporters, is an excellent conventional weapon as well as a magical tool. You never know when that might come in handy.

Gandalf wouldn't have been in as much trouble as Harry was when Tom Riddle had his wand - Gandalf is also armed with a fantastic sword Glamdring. Better stick a dirk in your sock Harry. I'm surprised he hasn't done so already considering who's after him, must be against school rules.

Cheers, ...N...

[Gulio, Strength of Many]

Gwaimir, the link wouldn't work! Not happy!:(