fighter?

[kiwi]

who do u think is the better fighter?

1. Legolas
2. Aragon
3. Gandulf
4. Gimli
5. Elrond

[Sister Golden Hair]

Moving to the Lord of the Rings book forum.

[Elf Girl]

Gandalf because he has power that none of the others have.

[Blackboar]

Yeah I agree with Elf Girl!

[kiwi]

Cool!
Thats the person that i thought too!

[WallRocker]

It depends on what you mean by 'fighter'. If you mean who is the charcter who has the ability to destroy the most phsyical beings, it would have to be Gandalf. If you're asking who I think destroyed the most evil, it would have to be someone not on your list - Frodo and Gollum.

[kiwi]

what i really meant was the one who has the ability to destroy the most physical beings .

[Radagast The Brown]

Gandalf it is.

[Millane]

it depends on what sort of circumstances you are talking about, fighting is different styles... as much as i would like to say Aragorn and Gimli in malay i think it would be Elrond and as for wiping out the most i would say probably Elrond again then again if you were saying who could wipe out the most people Gandalf it is...
i always argue with a friend of mine about Lord carachters against Blade and god he is fighting a losing battle there

[Falagar]

Gandalf.
But if you mean fighting with sword and physical strength it would be harder...still Gandalf perhaps

[Lizra]

Aragorn! He's the MAN! The king Supreme! Magic doesn't count as fighting. (for me! ) :) Strider/Aragorn is who I'd go running to !

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Gandalf; Gandalf; Gandalf. Nuff said. ;)

I don't mean to be rude Lizra, but the magic of LotR is not like fireballs, lightning bolts, etc. It's much more subtle. The only time that we know Gandalf used specifically "attack" magic, it wasn't even anything like this; he hurled flaming pinecones. At least, that I know of...

[TinuvielChild]

Hmm. For fighting with sword, obviously Aragorn. Melée, also Aragorn. Axe fighting, Gimli or any of the dwarves. Long-distance archery, Legolas, Elrond, or any of the elves. Magical attacks would be Gandalf (or any of the Istari).

[Coney]

I'd put my money on Elrond in a sword fight (yup even over Aragorn).

For sheer unkillability, it has to be Gandalf:D

[Blackboar]

In the list get rid of Gandalf!!

Then who do you think it would be!

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Then...hm...either Legolas or Elrond...Elrond strikes me as more of a lord than a fighter...then again, he was at the Last Alliance (which wasn't really at Helm's Deep). So I would just have to say one or the other, and not which. Probably Elrond, but I'm not sure.

[Elf Girl]

Elrond. He's an ELF, he has powers against evil, and that's the only thing he'd fight.

[BeardofPants]

Gandalf was an emissary - he wasn't allowed to work directly against the forces of evil, so to speak.

That said, I think the best fighter was Turin.(:p)

[Radagast The Brown]

originally posted by BoP
Gandalf was an emissary - he wasn't allowed to work directly against the forces of evil, so to speak.But he did killed lots of orks. and a balrog.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Why isn't Glorfindel on the list? I bet he could kick some serious butt.:)

[DraztiK]

Ecthelion of the Fountain, Húrin, Beleg Strongbow, Ëarendil, Tuor, Huor, Túrin, Glorfindel, Fingolfin, all great warriors.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by DraztiK
Ecthelion of the Fountain, Húrin, Beleg Strongbow, Ëarendil, Tuor, Huor, Túrin, Glorfindel, Fingolfin, all great warriors. Yep, they sure are, but with the exception of Glorfindel, they are not in LotRs.

[DraztiK]

Huor, Tuor, Húrin and Túrin are mentioned in the council of Elrond if I'm not mistaken.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by DraztiK
Huor, Tuor, Húrin and Túrin are mentioned in the council of Elrond if I'm not mistaken. I believe that's correct. I am just saying the actual action with them is found in the Silmarillion. Don't pay me any attention, just nitpicking.:D

[markedel]

Elrond is probably a pretty good fighter, but unlike Aragorn he's out of practice. Makes you wonder if Elros was better at swordplay, but he's not in LoTR.

[The Lady of Ithilien]

In the original list, Gandalf because he fought Sauron for the mastery of the Third Age and won, dusting a balrog, numerous orcs, wolves and magic wolves, and who knows what else in the process.

In the second list, minus Gandalf, well, we know Legolas and Gimli were about equal in terms of number of physical beings done in; that leaves Aragorn and Elrond. I would say Aragorn both for his fighting abilities, warlike spirit, and leadership.

Elrond was Gil-Galad's standard bearer, but is there ever any mention of him actually fighting somewhere? When Sauron marched through Eriador, Elrond didn't confront him, after all, but did a smart thing: founded Rivendell. I think his strength was in wisdom and support.

But I would include another group in the list: hobbits. Tremendously hard to kill; with a seed of courage hidden in even the fattest ones; and just look how quickly they rallied and dealt with Sharkey and his bullies in the Shire. This is not to mention the circumstances in which golf was invented, the archers allegedly sent to the wars with Angmar, or the battle against the wolves during the Fell Winter; and last but not least, Merry stabbing the King of the Nazgul, and those three hobbits who, however unwittingly, marched into Mordor and knocked down the Barad-Dur and Sauron himself.

Don't mess with hobbits.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

They can be tough as a tree root, when they need to be; but I would hardly call them tremendously hard to kill.

I would hate to steal the Hobbit's moment (I loved the Scouring of the Shire), but they did grossly outnumber the Ruffians.

Merry stabbed the Witch-King from behind, in the leg; there were two Hobbits in Mordor if I am correct, not three, and they snuck to Mount Doom, and did not "knock down Sauron".

[DraztiK]

Ah, but you forget that Gollum was a Hobbit too, one of the Stoor Clan.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by DraztiK
Ah, but you forget that Gollum was a Hobbit too, one of the Stoor Clan. That is inconclusive.

[Attalus]

Glorfindel could indeed be the best fighter in LOTR, and I always regretted tha JRRT didn't send him instead of Legolas. Gandalf obviously could not be beaten by any on the list, but, if you leave him off, then, Aragorn. (Armed with Anduril, o' course.) :)

[Falagar]

When I think of it: Rug (or Rog or something like that) from BoLT2. He would probably have made it to his newer works (maybe even the Silm.) if Tolkien had gone through that text again...

[samwiselvr2008]

Defently Gandalf, with his staff, and him being White. Being Grey it would probally also be him, but I would have to think about that some more.

On the other hand, it might be Aragorn, in my opinion, he is a better tracker then the others, and that's probally a fact. If you can't find someone, you can't kill them!

[Earniel]

I'd say Aragorn, it's him that fights the most battles in LoTR (I think, don't make me go back and count them ;) ) Gandalf is strong but I just don't see him in the middle of the fray waving a heavy sword above his head for hours. I know looks are deceiving but he's too old for thing like that.:p

[The Lady of Ithilien]

Hi, Gwaihir Windgem!

Nice name.

They can be tough as a tree root, when they need to be; but I would hardly call them tremendously hard to kill.True, I misremembered the quote. However, the spiders of Mirkwood, Smaug, Shelob, Orcs following their leader Golfimbul (? spelling), all the enemies they must have faced during their migration from the Anduin to Bree and the Shire, a one-handed barrow wight, and most especially the King of the Nazgul might not agree with you. :)

That said, it is true Aragorn said if he were after the Ring he could and would have killed all four hobbits without so much talk, and Gandalf did come to their aid during, I think, the Long Winter and saved many of them from perishing.

I would hate to steal the Hobbit's moment (I loved the Scouring of the Shire), but they did grossly outnumber the Ruffians. As they did from the moment the ruffians appeared. I was thinking of how quickly they put sound military planning into operation and that lovely trap they set with Farmer Cotton standing alone by the fire. Repeat: don't mess with hobbits.

Merry stabbed the Witch-King from behind, in the legBehind, front, left, right -- it doesn't matter with the wraith of the Witch King of Angmar, especially at his moment of triumph after stopping Rohan's charge and downing the King of Rohan. The phrase "paralyzed with fear" can be a literal one, even in mundane situations, let alone the one Merry faced. Yet somehow he found the strength to set a knife into that undead flesh. That, to me, is the quintessence of a fighting spirit.

there were two Hobbits in Mordor if I am correct, not three, and they snuck to Mount Doom, and did not "knock down Sauron"There's a rather detailed description of the collapse of Barad-Dur that put the phrase "knock down" in mind. Of course they did accomplish that -- note that I said, 'however unwittingly.'

"Snuck" is just another word for "covert operation," no? After all, Ethan Allen's Green Mountain Boys "snuck" into Fort Ticonderoga at the start of the American Revolutionary War, and so took it from the British without a fight. Many other examples come to mind.

As for Gollum, Gandalf's emphatic affirmation that he was a hobbit during "The Shadow of the Past," in response to Frodo's horrified denial that he could have been a hobbit, is confirmation enough for me.

[Sister Golden Hair]

As for Gollum, Gandalf's emphatic affirmation that he was a hobbit during "The Shadow of the Past," in response to Frodo's horrified denial that he could have been a hobbit, is confirmation enough for me. Gandalf does not affirm that Gollum is a Hobbit. He does say that he could have been a Hobbit. Possibly of the Stoor variety. It's not definate.

[Blackboar]

In the encyclopedia I've got it says that Gollum definately was a Stoor hobbit.
It says about 2 A4 pages about his life before he got the ring and 1 A4 page about him having the ring!
I'll post some of it later:p

[Shadowfax]

Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
Gandalf does not affirm that Gollum is a Hobbit. He does say that he could have been a Hobbit. Possibly of the Stoor variety. It's not definate. But in Unfinished Tales, then there's a part about Gollum and I believe that it does definitely say that he was a hobbit.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
But in Unfinished Tales, then there's a part about Gollum and I believe that it does definitely say that he was a hobbit. Could you please quote that for me?

[Lizra]

Hmmmpt, Aragorn is the greatest fighter! Practice makes perfect!

[DraztiK]

If practise makes perfect then Eonwë would be the best warrior, or Tulkas, or Oromë;

When talking of Children of Eru, it would have to be Ingwë or Finarfin

[Lizra]

But they are not on "the list"!

[Earniel]

But they're not in LoTR.

Edit: Oopsie, sorry Lizra , I didn't see that there was a third page where you already said that. :rolleyes:

[Cirdan]

Fighting effectiveness depends on opponent and circumstance. Aragorn is the best at sword play, gimli with the ax, Legolas with the bow, Gandalf versus magic and for scary special effects, though he didn't kill (except the Balrog, a fellow maia, for which he paid the ultimate price), Elrond with a nice mix of all skills, a ring bearer and veteran of the seige of Barad-dur. Still a ranger with the blood of Numenor would be battle tested and very fit for combat, so... Aragorn it is.

[The Lady of Ithilien]

Gandalf was pretty positive about it, telling Frodo that he knew more about hobbits' origins than they did themselves. I would suggest that JRRT didn't come right out and say Gollum was a hobbit because he was constrained by one of the Prime Directives for a writer: show, don't tell. Also he was working very hard in that chapter to build a bridge for the reader between The Hobbit and his new story. Too much new definition of an old character (and one who definitely had not been introduced from the beginning as having anything to do with hobbits) would have been unbelievable.

However, JRRT also showed us three hobbits on the fringes of Mordor: the scene atop the Ephel Duath when Gollum finds Sam and Frodo asleep. There just for a few seconds we see an old hobbit peering out of Gollum's eyes.

[L@ur@y Elven Warrior]

I think that Gandalf is the best fighter then Legolas and then Aragorn.

[Millane]

legolas my arse sure he could peg a few people from afar but that hardly constitutes fighting does it??? thats just killing... now Gil-galad in his day (i know he isnt in LotR just thought id put in a better elf;) ) ummm Elladan and Elrohir and the rangers would have a few scalps on there tomahawks so to speak... haldir would have raked up a few over the years... as for bet fist fighter well pick an uruk, or gimli i could see him in a few punch ups hehehe

[Andúril]

I'd think Gandalf the White would be the best fighter.

What with Glamdring, lightning bolts, and staff-baps, I'd think him the most formidable foe in this list.The old man was too quick for him. He sprang to his feet and leapt to the top of a large rock. There he stood, grown suddenly tall, towering above them. His hood and his grey rags were flung away. His white garments shone. He lifted up his staff, and Gimli’s axe leapt from his grasp and fell ringing on the ground. The sword of Aragorn, stiff in his motionless hand, blazed with a sudden fire. Legolas gave a great shout and shot an arrow into the air: it vanished in a flash of flame.
(The Two Towers: 97-98)

[Fingolfin_1st]

i know most of these are not from lord of the rings but in my opinion they are the greatest warriors ever.
you decide who could win:

GOTHMOG v.s SAURON that would be one hell of a fight!

TURIN vs ARAGORN my opinion is that turin would absolutly destroy him

FINGOLFIN and FEANOR vs MELKOR fingolfin gave melkor 7 great wounds before melkor cheated and took out his hammer with feanor there i think it would be more even.

IMRAHIL vs EOMER in the LOTR it says that aragorn,eomer and imrahil were not harmed in the battle on the pellanor fields.both of theses are great warriors who would win?

[L@ur@y Elven Warrior]

Gandalf the White is so cool.

[samwise of the shire]

The best fighter is not nessecarily the one that kills the most enemies...it is the one that turns the tide and ultimately destroys the other side. So who would YOU say was the best fighter? Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli, Merry, Pippin, Gandalf, Faramir, Eomer, Eowyn, Theoden, and all of the men of Gondor for they helped in Saurons fall by providing a ploy and each killed alot of fearsome creatures. Eowyn and Merry had it really tough there for a bit. Aragorn had to deal with the Corsairs of Umbar, and Pippin had to keep a troll from killing Beregond.
But I think the best fighter in the whole story was Gollum. He was ultimately the dark lords downfall and through his death changed the whole outcome of Middle Earth. It was not Aragorn who conquered the Dark Lord, nor Gandalf, but the weakest of the weak.
Or if you wanted to put it another way Sauron himself was better than all of them combined. Who was it that put all of his power into a Ring? Who was it that was so stupid as to think that EVERYONE would succumb to the Rings power? Who was it that paid attention to Aragorn and all of the ploy people instead of making sure his own land was safe? In short who trusted in his own power and inconveniant location to save him ? SAURON!!! So if you wanted to get really technical the award should go to Sauron for the best fighter who worked toward his downfall.
Just my two cents worth,
Cheers,
Sam

[Millane]

ahhh i see where your coming from samwise... i was thinking more along the lines of who would fight (as in who would win in a duel) as opposed to your way of thinking... in your way of thinking i agree with you, saurong ultimately bought around his own destruction

[Elf Girl]

I would still say Gandalf, samwise of the shire. He was really behind the destruction of Sauron.

[samwise of the shire]

I would still say Gandalf, samwise of the shire. He was really behind the destruction of Sauron. How? He did persuade Frodo to take the Ring, but we could say that Aragorn was the one behind the destruction of Sauron because he divereted his eye. And Merry destroyed the Witch King who was Saurons Leiutenant, so I say DRAW! ;)

*laughs merrily* Ok I know what you guys meant. I was just bringing a second veiw into play. For me I say it all depends on what kind of deul. Even the best swordsman can be killed when not in his medium...the territory where he fights best. Aragorn fights best anywhere so he's pretty lucky. It also depends on the enemy. If your enemy is a bunch of unmounted Uruk Hai and you're Aragorn trying to figure out what to do you would use the Rohirrim with swords and big horses.
If on the other hand the enemy was a big breakfast of eggs, ham, bacon, toast, marmalade, ale, juice, fruit, and cereal you'd need some serious hobbit malitia.
So like I say it depends on the fight. In a magic fight I'd choose Gandalf, sword fight I'd choose Aragorn, and in a fight with a spider I'd choose....................................RAID No I'd choose...ME!!!
Cheers,
Sam

[Guardian_of_the_Forest]

Well, all of them have different skills that make them "good fighters" but I would have to choose Gandalf.

[Narsil's Master]

I say gandalf because he said himself none of there weapons can harm him

[Evenstar1400]

i would have to go with treebeard..... he can really tear up isengard!

or id go with legolas.... his aim is really good and hes a good elf to have on your side

sauron is a bad fighter cause he reaches down with his hand that has the ring on it and because of his stupidity he diminished and had to wait several thousand years to come back to power (almost)

[kiwi]

I totally agree with u!!!!!!!!!!

[The Lady of Ithilien]

Terrific post, samwise of the shire!

Originally posted by samwise of the shire
The best fighter is not nessecarily the one that kills the most enemies...it is the one that turns the tide and ultimately destroys the other side. So who would YOU say was the best fighter?...I think the best fighter in the whole story was Gollum. He was ultimately the dark lords downfall and through his death changed the whole outcome of Middle Earth. Good question, and a great way of looking at it. The only thing I'd note is that one has to take intention into account when talking about fighters. That said, a good case can be made for Gollum in that he fought the effects of the Ring for so long, and even torment in the Barad-Dur and coming face to face with Sauron, and still at least up until that moment atop the Ephel Duath retained enough of himself to be "salvageable."

That's a very neat summary of Sauron, too. :)