RotK In Light of TTT

[bropous]

Welll, now that we have the benefit of newly-found hindsight after seeing The Two Towers, what do you guys think RotK will be like considering some of the changes and alterations made in TTT?

Do you think that Gandalf, Aragorn, Gimli, Legolas, Theoden and the Rohirrim will ride to Orthanc? Will Faramir be waylaid on the way to Minas Tirith, what will the Witch King look like, will Elrond and Galadriel be already departed from the Grey Havens before the wedding?

Furthermore, WHAT will Denethor be like? We've already seen the City of the Dead up on Mindolluin (where Aragorn's sarcophagus was), and the crumbling architecture of Osgiliath and a brief glimpse of Gandalf going to the library of Minas Tirith, etc, but the visulaization of Minas Tirith....has anyone seen any spoiler photos?

I think we have seen one scene from RotK already, as part of the four-minute preview tacked on to the theatrical release of FotR: IT's Merry swearing his allegiance to Theoden King at Edoras.

Any ideas how TTT is setting up movie three, now that we have pieces One and Two of the Three-Piece Puzzle?

[Arathorn]

I want to be majorly spooked when Frodo, Sam and Gollum get to the bridge near Minas Morgul as well as when they meet the watcher. Of course, it might already border on an R rating so I'm not sure how they'll handle this unless they do a few alternate scenes on the DVD version (DVDs can be designed to allow you to choose between 2 or more alternate scenes if you don't already know).

I wanna see Gahn-buri-gahn! :D

I want to say TAKE THAT! and not realize it when Merry comes to the fore.

I want ROTK to bring me into a conflicted state of emotions when Gollum does his thing.

I'm sorry but I'm not sure how it will turn out as this post suddenly turned into a wishlist. I am hopeful that my wishes come true as PJ himself said that ROTK is his favorite of the 3 installments.

[Elf.Freak]

i wanna see Shelob!

i HAD to ask my sister about weather or not they will have Sam finding Frodo...er...as he did:o but my sister said they may not do that exactly like it was in the book, phew!

i think the rating will be 15 (hence PG, 12a, next 15;))

anyways, can't wait a WHOLE YEAR!:mad:

[Lizra]

Well Bropous, I don't know, and I can honestly say that I'm way too lazy to try to imagine RoTK! :p I'll bet that Shelob will be much more hideous than my mental imagine of a giant, scary, black spider. Peter Jackson has made everything much uglier and evil than I imagined. (In my mind) The orcs were stupid, evil, baboon jointed, swarthy, mean guys. PJ has taken the orcs to a new level of hideousness with all the mishapen, filthy, pus ridden mouths, unbelievable, distorted skin gnarls, scars, deformaties, disgusting slimey looking eyeballs, overly pierced, repulsive, nasty and unecessary grossness. Everything evil has been rather overdone.

Most things "elvish" have not matched the beauty and grandness of my imagination, I don't know how you could! (I liked the brief "passing of the elves" in the extended version of FoTR best) Because he has potrayed the evil side so heavy handed, the coronation of King Elessar and all other triumphs of goodness and light will be very difficult, if not impossible to convey in a way to counter balance the black sludge that has been slung at us. The "Scouring of the Shire" will be sorely missed. The Shire was the best "good thing" potrayed in the movie (so far) for me. Lothlorien and Rivendell didn't meet the awe inspiring beauty of my imagination! Good seems to be harder to portay than evil!

It is such a natural thing to be dissapointed when the story is done, I'm afraid nothing will seem good enough. I hope I'm wrong, I'm sure I'll get my money's worth, just not my imagination's worth. That's what the books are for, :) so I hope many movie goers will pick up the books and magnify their pleasure (to heights unatainable with film) with Tolkien's story of Middle Earth.

[Randy6]

having Aragorn and crew going to Isenguard or with Frodo facing off with Shelob. PJ did such a good job with the dead marshes, I can't wait to see what he does with the Paths of the Dead! Next time I see the TT, I will look at Aragorn's sword after the arrival of Haldir and Co. to see if they brought Narsil. Maybe it's one of those things that got cut from the theatrical version and will be in the extended version.

Boy, it sure will be tough waiting one year for ROTK.:rolleyes:

Blessings,
Randy

[Blackboar]

I totally agree with you there!:(

I think they should start with Frodo and Shelob but its just to long to wait and find out:(

[WallRocker]

I think that I will enjoy RotK more then TTT. I'll be going into the movie with the felling that it's an interepatation of the book rather than a re-telling. Shelob should be awesome, and I really hope he doesn't cut out the scene with Gandalf casting Sarumon out of the order. Also, there have been rumors that PJ left out the scouring of the Shire, but I noticed the in TTT that PJ didn't kill Sarumon! Maybe the Scouring of the Shire will be left in RotK.

[Celebréiel]

Im a little more worried about Rotk than I was before I saw two towers. But that might be good, maybe ill be pleasantly surprised! ;) Anywho, like ive mentioned before I just hope PJ does the whole Shelob part good and doesnt over dramatize anything and turn small one comments into big 20min scenes in the movie! >.< Likewise...another part im excited to see is when Sam goes to rescue Frodo, and the orcs get all scared saying 'its a mighty elvish warrior' :D I love Samwise!
~Celebréiel

[Turgon]

I can’t wait to see the white city and all seven walls! And PJ better not cut out Imrahil’s part; he was my favorite character from RotK.

[akutach]

If the casting is any help, IMDB lists parts for Gorbag and Ghan Buri Ghan. I wouldn't be surprised to see GBG go to the extended version and not see him in December.

I've heard that Eowyn will kill the witch-king, but no confirmation of whether Merry gets the assist.

If Pippen has indeed been sighted with Denethor in previews, then the Helm's Deep crew will have to visit Saruman. While there evidently will be no Scouring, there will have to be a resolution with Saruman, and the hobbits should be picked up then. No reason for Merry not to get in on the action.

Shelob is a given. Gollum already said that 'She' will do it for him. Then Gorbag will take Frodo, and orc mayhem will ensue at the tower.

I'm quite interested to see what Gandalf does during the battle of Pellenor Fields. In the book he's like Hamlet the way he makes up excuses not to go down the battle, 'Oh, I have to stay here and tend to Faramir. Boy lots of people are going to die since I had to save him, but I better make sure he's fine. (not a direct quote )

How about the nurse in the who tends to Faramir. She and Gandalf have the best dialogue of the entire trilogy. I'll be sad if that doesn't go into the films using the book as the script.

After botching Faramir in TTT, I wouldn't be surprised if PJ has him lead a strike force to storm Barad Dur.

No hints on the Paths of the Dead? Anyone? It seems easy to write that bit out of the film.

Will Aragorn take the Palantir under his will? That sounds like something for the extended version as well. Not essential, but a self-explanatory event that doesn't add too much to the film length.

I've read that PJ said TTT diverges from the books more than the other two films. Let's hope.

[Arathorn]

Originally posted by WallRocker
Also, there have been rumors that PJ left out the scouring of the Shire, but I noticed the in TTT that PJ didn't kill Sarumon! Maybe the Scouring of the Shire will be left in RotK.

I just remembered that I think I saw the spike that is supposed to kill Saruman in the film. I think it's on the balcony of Orthanc when he addresses his troop from the tower (or was it when he peers to see the ents flooding Isengard? - not sure). Still, here's hoping for less changes to the book.

[Earniel]

Although I expect quite a few changes after seeing TTT I'm going to try NOT thinking about ROTK. I will try to stay away from spoilers and rumours (don't know if that'll work, though;)). I hope I can lower my expectations enough so I can go and see it with an open mind and hopefully be completely blown away by it. *crosses fingers*

[Lizra]

Originally posted by Eärniel
............. go and see it with an open mind and hopefully be completely blown away by it. *crosses fingers*

Let's do it! Sounds good, sounds like a PARTY! I'm with you! :D

[azalea]

...And here's a thread for predictions about RotK, lil pippin took. There might be others, which you can find by doing a search.:)

[Anglorfin]

Hm, if I gave any thought to RotK at this point it would probably do nothing but anger me. I know they will have to change a lot, and in my mind I have no idea how it is to be done without screwing it up in my mind.

[azalea]

I'm bringing this up again --
I think some of us predicted how RotK will start in some thread, but I forgot which one, so I figured this one would be okay, too.
After seeing the spoiler pictures of the young Smeagol, I have a prediction of how it will open, given the TT opening (a kind of flashback, but different). There are other possibilities in my mind, but here's this one:
Maybe the opening scene will be the Smeagol flashback scene itself, detailing how he came to have the Ring. Then it will abruptly cut away back to the "present" as he's leading them. It might even be the part from the book when he is watching Frodo sleep, and softens, then is sharply "brought back" by Sam, at which point Gollum has made his mind up, thus leading straight into the Shelob encounter. I think that is a plausible beginning.
What do you think? Anyone else have a prediction about the very beginning scene of RotK?
Of course, if the early Smeagol scenes end up being from the TTEE, my prediction will be null. In that case I have alternatives.:)

[olsonm]

I like your beginning Az. That's how I imagined it, except they might show a montage of Smeagol gradually changing into Gollum with the last change bringing us to the present and the start of the movie. Though, I believe it'll take us to a spot much sooner than on the Stairs.

But, I think the Prologue might be the reforging of Narsil, which would then lead into the flashback to Gollum.

[Lizra]

It seem like the S/D flashback scene might have been "cut" from that part where Frodo calls Gollum "Smeagol" for the first time (when Gollum says "what did you say" or something like that) may RoTK movie will pick up there and then go to the flashback...maybe! :) I have that beautiful teaser pix of Aragorn holding up the hilt of Anduril on my desktop. Anduril looks awesome! :)

[azalea]

That's possible. I'm just trying to think of how that would segue us into what's happening. In TTT, the "Foundations of Stone" segment gave us a lead-in from FotR (an action moment), then went into further action, then the "current" story. I thought PJ might do the same for RotK, so I can't think of how the reforging of Narsil will fit that mold. Did he have it at Helm's Deep? I didn't think so.:confused: So maybe it'll be Arwen reforging it and bringing it to HD in disguise, so our flashback moment will be HD (If that makes any sense). Then the further action will be riding to Isengard, or maybe they'll already be there. If he does that (the Arwen thing), I can foresee a lot of grumbling mooters.;)

I used to want to be a filmmaker, so I enjoy thinking of how I would do things and imagining how they might actually be done based on what was done before.:)

[olsonm]

It's a good question: which side of the story will PJ open on? Frodo's, like in TTT. Or Aragorn's. I think either the reforging or the Smeagol/Gollum sequences would make for a good prologue. But I believe PJ will open the "current" story on Frodo's side. I have no idea how PJ will show the reforging.

[Lizra]

Well, start with Frodo calling Gollum Smeagol, the flash back to "Smeagol/Deagol" and the evilness of the ring, then reality sets in for Gollum, he leads them close to the gate, shots and sights of huge armies of Sauron. Frodo and Sam talk of how will the "others" be able to fight against such tremendous evil armies...then skip to the reforging of the mighty Anduril, Aragorn and the "good" stuff. Maybe! :)