SPOTTED MISTAKES!! *spoilers warning*

[AngieBaggins]

did anyone else see them? I saw three but can only remember two (hm... that means i have to go see it again!!YAY! hehehe)


1st- in the beginning when Legolas, Gimli, and Aragorn are chasing after the orcs, Gimli DROPS something, it looks like some sort of hat, it's very quick and you notice it only if you look at gimli.

2nd- When Shadowfax is called by Gandalf, you see under his chin a LOTHLORIEN brooch. HOw did he get that when he didn't go to lothlorien?

the third one i'm racking my brain to remember, but oh well, did anyone else spot anything?

[BeardofPants]

Leggie forgot to put his contacts on in Helms Deep, and I'm sure I saw Gandalf wearing trainers at some point! :D

[Fred Baggins]

Actually if you'll remember from the book, Gandalf DID go to Lothlorin. After he was found again, he was taken to Lothlorin, and healed...or something. So Gandlaf WAS in lothlorin. Perhaps they don't have anything in the original TTT, but watch the extended version Dvd for TTT when it comes out. I'll bet the add at least a couple seconds with Gandalf in Lothlorin. ll right, I'm done with my whole talking...thing...now.

[Sylvee Estel]

The only mistake I noticed was Legolas's magical color changing eyes...

[Miranda]

Originally posted by Sylvee Estel
The only mistake I noticed was Legolas's magical color changing eyes...

I noticed that too but it didn't bother me- they're beautiful whatever colour they are! *sigh* Mx

[eowyngirl14]

I saw the movie for the second time today. I noticed two 'mistakes'
1) When Gandalf, Aragorn, Gimili, and Legolas are walking into the stable at Rohan, and Gandalf says ' On the morning of the 5th day look to the East, (or something along the lines of that) Aragorn nods and says something that sounds a lot like 'K'.(an abreviation for okay) This doesn't sound very Middle-Earthy to me...:eek:

2) Towards the end of the film, when Farair has taken Frodo and Sam to Gondor, Frodo is standing on a brigde like thing and starts to put his ring on. Then Sam runs and pushs him over and they tumble down the stairs. During that next scene if you look when Frodo is just leaning back after starting to stab Sam that the chain with the ring on it is hooked around the button on his vest. Then a split-second later, the chain is unhooked. :) :eek: I may have missed something and there was time for the chain to swing loose, but it looks to me that when they went back to add more footage to that scene they missed the whole 'chain caught on button thing'. I could be wrong.

I still love Legolas even if his eyes do change color sometimes... ;)

[HOBBIT]

I don't know if this is a mistake or not. The movie shows pippin and merry seeing gandalf before gimli, legolas , and aragorn. Surely they must have said "Gandalf!!! you are alive!!" or something like that. But when Legolas, Gimili, and Aragorn call him Gandalf he seems not to remember that that is his name. Logically he would have just been called that.

[Elf.Freak]

i noticed the 'eye-colour changing trick' but i didn't notice the others, i'll have to watch the movie again *sigh* yay!:D

[Blackboar]

The only thing I noticed is Gandalf wearing trainers!:eek:

[Taurwen]

When the horn sounded at the Black Gate, you saw trolls pulling on ropes to get the gates to open, and it was in the daylight. Trolls are supposed to turn to stone in the daylight, so this didn't make sense.

That was all I noticed. The movie was too stressful for me to notice anything else, and I've only gotten to see it once so far. :)

[Lollypopgurl]

LOL, I feel so stupid. I didn't catch any!

Oh well, there's another excuse to go watch it again!:D

[Caleb]

Only cave trolls turn to stone in the daylight

[WallRocker]

Originally posted by Caleb
Only cave trolls turn to stone in the daylight

Where do you get that from? In 'The Hobbit' the Trolls, turn to stone, and I don't remember anyhting about them being called cave trolls.

[Varda Oiolosseo]

I noticed that too but it didn't bother me- they're beautiful whatever colour they are! *sigh* Mx

I only saw that one too! But like you It didn't bother me!! He's nice either way!!!! :D

[Entlover]

Originally posted by Blackboar
The only thing I noticed is Gandalf wearing trainers!:eek:

Pardon my ignorance, what are trainers?

[Sminty_Smeagol]

I was wondering the same thing... although by the sound of it, I may not want to know.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

They were stone-trolls; I think that all trolls but Olog-hai turn into stone from sunlight.

Originally posted by WallRocker
Where do you get that from? In 'The Hobbit' the Trolls, turn to stone, and I don't remember anyhting about them being called cave trolls.

[Arathorn]

Originally posted by HOBBIT
I don't know if this is a mistake or not. The movie shows pippin and merry seeing gandalf before gimli, legolas , and aragorn. Surely they must have said "Gandalf!!! you are alive!!" or something like that. But when Legolas, Gimili, and Aragorn call him Gandalf he seems not to remember that that is his name. Logically he would have just been called that.

I think it was intentional so that the uninitiated audience would not be sure whether it was Saruman or Gandalf they saw.

Obviously it didn't work coz Gandalf was shown wearing freshly bleached robes in the trailers, posters, etc. :D

[azalea]

Originally posted by Entlover
Pardon my ignorance, what are trainers?

I think "trainers" is what they call sneakers in the UK. (?)

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Yeah, they definitely should have kept Gandalf the White out of trailers and all that stuff. It would have made it much better for the non-readers when they see him.

[Erawyn]

Maybe i'm being stupid...but seriously about the trainers?

Well i'm pretty sure this was a mistake....Brego changes colour...

[eowyngirl14]

This is a little off topic, but when my friend asked why a Gandolf looking person was in the trailers (we had told her that Gandolf was really dead) we said that it was Gandolfs evil twin brother, Rudolf, who had come to take his place. It was very very funny!;) :) :D

[BeardofPants]

Yep, trainers are sneakers.

I can't remember where I saw them... somewhere around Fangorn, I think.

[Khamûl]

Oh, trainers are sneakers. I see...

You don't want to know what I thought you meant by that. Let's just say that I thought it had to do with the very old and the very young and leave it at that. :eek:

I'll have to look out for that next time I see it.

[BeardofPants]

You were thinking of Gandalf in incontinence pants?! *Splutter* :D

[Arathorn]

Oh so that's why I couldn't see 'em. I was looking a bit higher up. :rolleyes:

[Khamûl]

Originally posted by BeardofPants
You were thinking of Gandalf in incontinence pants?! *Splutter* :D Well, the thought had crossed my mind. :p

[sip09oy]

I don't know if this is a mistake or not. The movie shows pippin and merry seeing gandalf before gimli, legolas , and aragorn. Surely they must have said "Gandalf!!! you are alive!!" or something like that. But when Legolas, Gimili, and Aragorn call him Gandalf he seems not to remember that that is his name. Logically he would have just been called that.

I noticed this too. Treebeard brought Mary and Pippin to see Gandalf to figure out what kind of creatures they were. But then after that supposed meeting, Treebeard consulted with the other ents and "decided" that the two hobbits were not orcs. And then when Gandalf met up with the other three, he was alone and unsure of his identity. Seems like the meeting between Mary and Pippin and Gandalf was intended to be cut out. The subsequent scenes made it look that way.

[Elvedans]

Wasn't Shadowfax the wrong colour? I didn't notice the trainers, i was too wrapped up in the plot. After it finished i could only think of one thing - AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! !!!!!!
THAT WAS AMAZING!!! I think everyone is too picky.
P.S My fave bit was when Frodo was about to kill Sam - Cry Cry Cry!

[Diaxion]

I thought Isengaurd( spelling) was white

[Fred Baggins]

I saw a major one! When the hores rears and almost lands on Pippin, Pip's hands are unbound. Then Pippin crawls over to a sword and cuts the ropes that wheren't there the scene before.

[Sminty_Smeagol]

LOL s/h Khamul on the Trainer thingy... I wasn't sure enough to voice my answer though LOL

I noticed something though it may have been mentioned... in the scene at the black gate when sam falls off the cliff and frodo uses his cloak thingy to cover them... it shows them looking out beneath the cloak and seeing the warrior's feet. Then it shows Frodo whipping up the cloak... with the edges buried in to the gravel. Ok then???

[squinteyedsoutherner]

in the Rohan stable Gandalf says:


" the grey pilgrim, that is what they used to call me. For 300 lives of men I have walked this earth and now I have no time"


If the average life span of a man is 50, that would mean Gandalf is saying 15 000 years. The fact that the statement begins with the "grey pilgrim" term would lead me to believe that he is thus refering to his time in Middle Earth (I don't believe he was known as the grey pilgrim in Valinor). I don't see how this could be correct?

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by eowyngirl14
I saw the movie for the second time today. I noticed two 'mistakes'
1) When Gandalf, Aragorn, Gimili, and Legolas are walking into the stable at Rohan, and Gandalf says ' On the morning of the 5th day look to the East, (or something along the lines of that) Aragorn nods and says something that sounds a lot like 'K'.(an abreviation for okay) This doesn't sound very Middle-Earthy to me...:eek:
....


Now that I have seen the movie for a third time, I think that this is incorrect, I think Aragorn said GO, not K. I could be mistaken though.
The one about Gandalf wearing 'trainers' (I hope that means sneakers?!' is not right I think. I know that during the scene when you first see shadowfax running up the hill, his shoes look a lot like sneakers. But then during the scene at Edoras, when Gandalf hooked arms with Legolas, he is wearing white leather mocasin (sp?) slipper things. I thin kthat these might just have looked like sneakers because of the angle we see him during the shadowfax scene. (The slippers do lace up with leather string stuff, wich might have looked ike shoelaces)
My friend noticed the mistake with Pippin's bonds being gone, and then him cutting then in the next scene.

[squinteyedsoutherner]

I have the entire movie on my computer from one of the file sharing sites. Eowyngirl 14 you are correct on both accounts. Aragorn definitely says go, and what everyone thinks are sneakers are really part of gandalf's costume. It's some kind of lace up shoe. I always imagined boots myself, but whatever they are supposed to be, it is intentional. In fact, when Saruman goes flying after Gandalf casts him out of Theoden it looks as though he has the same footware. They must have been big that year.

[Seton,Lothlorien Guardian]

The only mistake I could find was that gandalf had an elven brooch,, however.. Maybe after he slewed ( he he a new word) the balrog and after he was sent back to the Earth he appeared in LothLorien or went there for one reason or another..

Is Gandalf's sword Glamdring or Orcrist?
Anyways thats some sweet non-meltable metal


"What do they eat when they cant get hobbit?"

[Nariel]

bsides the PJ wording and plot mistakes (Elves at Helm's deep GRRRR), I found an editing mistake-- In the Helm's deep scene, there is an Elf who keeps loading his bow and firing, but never does a single arrow come out of his quiver, nor are there any arrows firing from his bow. He must be practicing his load-timing, but in the middle of a battle??? Serves him right. He shouldn't have been there to begin with. Hey, What was the name of that Elf who was in charge of the Elves? I listened, but couldn't quite catch it.

[Sminty_Smeagol]

It was Haldir wasn't it? From Lothlorien? And... were those Lothlorien elves? it sounded like lothlorien music. That music rocked!

[Nariel]

I thought they said something about being affiliated with Elrond. Maybe they were Lorien Elves. But now that I think of it, it was Haldir. I thought I recognized him

[samwise of the shire]

Did anybody notice the cut above Merry's eye? It was there during the battle scene but when they ran into Fangorn and met Treebeard there wasn't a sign of it anywhere. Not a scar or blood or anything.
Cheers,
Sam

[Sminty_Smeagol]

Wasnt Haldir Galadriel's husband man from LothLorien? If so, in the books what happened to him... did he sail in to the West with the Ringbearers...but wait, he wasn't a ringbearer.... did he go seperately than galadriel? or did he die or something...

WERE those lorien elves? I Loved their armour!

[Fred Baggins]

*shakes head* Celeborn is Galadreils husband. Haldir is just another elf. Well considering...

[AngieBaggins]

HALDIR IS NO MEAR (sp?) ELF!! He is the Guardian of the woods of Lothlorien! He is a great warrior and defends his people, and he CARES about his people!..... Plus he's really cute!! hehehe

[Sminty_Smeagol]

OOO YEAH..... Celeborn is Galadriel's husban man..... Haldir... wasnt he in the extended cut? I knew i recognized him i got him confused with celeborn

[Fred Baggins]

Chill girl! Sorry, I just never really liked Haldir, even before I saw the movie. But here let me correct meself.

"Haldir is the Gardian of the woods of Lothlorin"

That better?

[AngieBaggins]

Lol, that's alright, hehe, you must excuse me at times, i change moods like the snap of a finger. I myself am a die hard Haldir fan. Unfortunately, i don't like the guy who plays him, he's only kinda cute. lol.

[Amandil]

The Elvish armour, as per usual, looked fricking ridiculous. Ever seen "the Rocketeer?" I'm surprised PJ didn't give the Elves jetpacks.

Don't get me started on the Southron/Haradrim-whatever-they-were-supposed-to-be armour, you know the guys at the Black Gate who (OH MY GOSH!) almost find Frodo and Sam after (OH MY GOSH!) slide down some scree (OH MY GOSH!).

[squinteyedsoutherner]

That scene needed some lions and tigers and bears, oh my!

[Elfhelm]

I don't know why Haldir brought a message from Elrond. Shouldn't the message be from Galadriel?

[Khamûl]

Very minor nitpick here: When Legolas sees the Uruk-Hai carrying Merry and Pippin, he says that they have turned North-East and are headed for Isengard. Wouldn't that have them headed in the general direction of Mirkwood? I think he meant that they had turned North-West.

[LuthienTinuviel]

oh, wow i never thought about that until you pointed it out, khamul. your right, of course.

[Nariel]

If they were headed in the direction of Mirkwood, I would have just let them go. I mean, if the spiders didn't get them, the Elves would have. :D . And if you're concerned about the hobbits, well, they've heard Bilbo's stories a hundred times and certainly know how he got around the spiders. And once they found the ELves all they would have to do is mention LEgolas and they'd have free reign. Just a little rabbit trail.

About Haldir, though... In the movie FotR, he was the one that said "A dwarf breathes so loudly we could have shot you in the dark." In the book FotR, he's the one that says Daro! When Legolas climbs the tree. One of my favourite parts, by the way.

[Gerbil]

Originally posted by squinteyedsoutherner
If the average life span of a man is 50, that would mean Gandalf is saying 15 000 years. The fact that the statement begins with the "grey pilgrim" term would lead me to believe that he is thus refering to his time in Middle Earth (I don't believe he was known as the grey pilgrim in Valinor). I don't see how this could be correct? I don't think 'lives' means the full span - he's probably talking about 'generations', which tends to mean about 20 years or so, giving a rounded figure of about 6000 years.
Either that or he's referring to everyone he's killed... ;)

[Gerbil]

At the black gates, both gates open to let in the army, but I only recall one closing - the other is shown to be closed about halfway through the scene.
[EDIT] Speaking of which, I don't find the idea of just 2 trolls opening that huge metal gate very likely. Especially when it boils down to one of them pulling on a few measly chains that'd probably snap immediately.

Bah, all your 'eyes' and 'people firing non-existant arrows' were first mentioned by me. I get no respect ;)

Osgiliath - There's a shot that shows them approaching it, from what can only be either the south east or north west.
If they are coming from the south east they've somehow managed to cross the river and are going a looooong way round to get to it. If they are coming from the north west then somehow they are about to manage to cross the river right in front of Sauron's forces with a Nazgul.

[squinteyedsoutherner]

I'm not sure Jackson meant generations, but even if he did, how can Gandalf have been in middle Earth for 6000 years. The silmarillion says

"Even as the first shadows were felt in Mirkwood there appeared in the west of Middle-Earth the Istari, whom men call wizards".

This is after the battle when Sauron loses the ring, which Jackson's Elrond (cause God knows it's not Tolkien's) refers to as being 3000 years ago.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

But that's still way too long. I mean, he's only been here for about 2000 years, right?

[squinteyedsoutherner]

Gwaimir, I think we were posting at the same time!

Another mistake, I believe, is that Faramir is wearing the livery of the heirs of Elendil (the white tree, stars and crorwn). RoTK says that "and none wore it now in all of Gondor save the guards of the Citadel before the court of the fountain where the white tree had grown" Watch Faramir in Osgiliath, he's definitely wearing it.

[Gerbil]

RE: Gandalf's age:

Just put it down to another pointless and obvious error made by PJ for 'dramatic reasons'.

Remember! It's impossible for PJ to convert the books to film directly - he must butcher it and make it incomprehensible first!

[mithrand1r]

RE: Gandalf's age:

Just put it down to another pointless and obvious error made by PJ for 'dramatic reasons'.

Remember! It's impossible for PJ to convert the books to film directly - he must butcher it and make it incomprehensible first!


Gerbil,

Funny :D :D

I think you are correct about the Black Gate. Unless one door close before the other, but they open together.

Sincerely,
Anthony
:cool:

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by Sminty_Smeagol
Wasnt Haldir Galadriel's husband man from LothLorien? If so, in the books what happened to him... did he sail in to the West with the Ringbearers...but wait, he wasn't a ringbearer.... did he go seperately than galadriel? or did he die or something...

WERE those lorien elves? I Loved their armour!

I didn't see an answer to this; if there was one, sorry...

Celeborn ruled in East Lorien for a while after Galadriel left, and then he went over the Sea as well.

[Khamûl]

Originally posted by Elfhelm
I don't know why Haldir brought a message from Elrond. Shouldn't the message be from Galadriel? Just a shot at this one, but maybe Elrond sent messengers to Galadriel in Lothlorien and she sent troops to Helm's Deep. Yeah... I'm reaching.:D

[BeardofPants]

Well, there *was* that whole telepathic sequence between Elrond and Galadriel.

[Arathorn]

Originally posted by BeardofPants
Well, there *was* that whole telepathic sequence between Elrond and Galadriel.

I thought they were side by side! *ducks from the bearded trousers*

[Elvedans]

Okay I've seen the movie twice now, and on my second viewing i made sure i watched Gandalf's feet. I might not be the best judge, but while looking through my tear-blurred eyes i was sure those things on his feet were NOT trainers. They were probably some strange sort of wizard shoes!

[middleEarthStar]

YES!!!


I also saw Gandalf with trainers!!! When he moved Saroman out of King Theoden!!!!! :D that was funny!!

[eowyngirl14]

okay, I will quote myself here...

The one about Gandalf wearing 'trainers' (I hope that means sneakers?!' is not right I think. I know that during the scene when you first see shadowfax running up the hill, his shoes look a lot like sneakers. But then during the scene at Edoras, when Gandalf hooked arms with Legolas, he is wearing white leather mocasin (sp?) slipper things. I think that these might just have looked like sneakers because of the angle we see him during the shadowfax scene. (The slippers do lace up with leather string stuff, wich might have looked ike shoelaces) Sorry folks, Gandalf is not wearing trainers/sneakers. As squinteyedsouthener said, Saruman is also wearing them, and what are the chanced of Ian and Christopher buying the same pair of shoes. Also, after all PJ said about attention to detail, it is unlikely that they would let the wizzards wear sneakers.:)

[Melkor Morgoth]

I saw the movie the day it came out but I thougt wizards wore boots not trainers/sneakers,anyway Pj would not allow it.:cool:

[LuthienTinuviel]

if peter jackson is as good as retaining information as he is water, this thread would be non-exsistant. god i love that man.:rolleyes:

[Aragorns Dimple]

I also wondered about the colour of Legolas' eyes thing. I figured they were brown when he was in "Normal" Mode, and they switched to contact Electric Blue when in "Super Elvish Far-off Vision" Mode. Who knows, perhaps he just got lazy about it on set. ^_^

On the mistakes theme, I came home from seeing TTT still thinking about what wonderful treatment each character received, even the minor ones, and then wondered what happened to old Bilbo Baggins! He was in Rivendell with the Elves, and they did not show him leaving with them for the Grey Havens when they all trotted out in the night swinging their lanterns and looking like some occult sect. So....where is Bilbo??!?!?!?

[AngieBaggins]

I thought Bilbo left with Galadriel and Elrond at the end of ROTK?? I'm pretty sure that's it.

[Elvedans]

Hey you know when Elrond tells Arwen about what will happen if she stays in middle earth, and it shows Aragorn being dead and Arwen living on for ever young, walking through forests and crying by his tomb etc? I thought if she stayed and married Aragorn she would lose her immortality and die like him?

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Elvedans
Hey you know when Elrond tells Arwen about what will happen if she stays in middle earth, and it shows Aragorn being dead and Arwen living on for ever young, walking through forests and crying by his tomb etc? I thought if she stayed and married Aragorn she would lose her immortality and die like him?

That is what I thought too! Iin Fotr when she hands Aragorn her little necklace thingy, they make it sound like she is giving up her immortality for him! I do like that scene, even if I don't like Arwen!:)

[azalea]

That's right, she does die, but only after Aragorn has died first. I guess they changed it in the movie to illustrate Elrond counciling his daughter on how grievous her life will be if she makes that choice, but no, it doesn't make sense to me when he says she'll live on, blah blah. I think he's just talking about after Aragorn dies, but it isn't made clear that she too will die, although they made a point to make that clear in FotR.

[LuthienTinuviel]

ok, i got paid today, so went and saw TTT twice in a row.

Legolas' eyes do not change colour. He has dark blue eyes, they made it an unealrty blue, seeing as he's an elf. when is eyes are not in the light, they look just as black as his pupils, esp. in the scene where the peasents of Rohan are getting ready to fight. In the sunlight, or lightning flash, or bright light, they regain thier blue colour.

Gimli does drop SOMETHING. And it's bugging me to find out what.

Not only do some elves dry-shoot thier bows, but when Aragorn and Theoden ride out of the tower, the last two guys to follow them down the ramp are just swinging thier swords at invisible Orcs.

Gandalf is not wearing Trainers.

[eowyngirl14]

So, will Arwen age? Or will she stay looking like she does in the at the point at which the books take place in years to come? These elves, always so confusing... can't get anything straigth...:)

[LuthienTinuviel]

legolas' quiver keeps switching sides too, but you never know he may take it off at night and put it on differently in the morning...
but it bugses us anywaysss

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by LuthienTinuviel
ok, i got paid today, so went and saw TTT twice in a row.

Legolas' eyes do not change colour. He has dark blue eyes, they made it an unealrty blue, seeing as he's an elf. when is eyes are not in the light, they look just as black as his pupils, esp. in the scene where the peasents of Rohan are getting ready to fight. In the sunlight, or lightning flash, or bright light, they regain thier blue colour.

Gimli does drop SOMETHING. And it's bugging me to find out what.

Not only do some elves dry-shoot thier bows, but when Aragorn and Theoden ride out of the tower, the last two guys to follow them down the ramp are just swinging thier swords at invisible Orcs.

Gandalf is not wearing Trainers.

What Gimili drops looks a lot like a black or dark blue or green hat to me... but there is no logical reason as to why he was carrying it in the first place! No Gandalf is not wearing sneakers/trainers for the thousanth time! Invisible orcs, interesting concept, I didn't notice that mistake!:)

[cassiopeia]

I've seen the movie twice now and I hadn't noticed any mistakes. I notice things like the horses running down that hill which is too steep and the horses which should be impaled by spears when the riders are charging the Urak-hai. One thing that does make me laugh, at the beginning when Legolas, Gimli and Aragorn are running, Legolas nearly falls over. :)

[Andartholin]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
They were stone-trolls; I think that all trolls but Olog-hai turn into stone from sunlight.

That's right Olog-hai were bound under Saurons will under sunlight and could endure it

[Gerbil]

Actually I was wondering about Arwen.

My memory on all this is hazy, so a re-read may be the order of the day.

But, it's occurred to me that she didn't possibly become mortal.
Her death could have been simply through grief.

As for Arwen giving up her immortality, well, in the film this could be the scene where Frodo is dying by the river bank. That 'my grace pass to him' scene, which apart from it's cringing awfulness, is never properly explained. Then as pointed out, in theory she gives up her immortality when she gives the jewel to ARagorn. So she gives it up twice. Or not at all, since in TTT she appears to outlive Aragorn who dies at about 200 years old.

Weird eh?

Also, from what I recall, doesn't Arwen technically give up her place in Valinor for Frodo? I'm sure I recall somewhere Tolkien making a comment on this.

So, until I re-read, I've got the sneaking suspicion that Arwen never became mortal, and merely died from grief over Aragorn.

Feel free to prove me wrong, cos this is really bugging me now the more I think about it!

[LovesBeren]

I only saw one thing that bothered me... just for an instant in the editing. It was when Gandalf, Aragorn, Legolas and Gmili are walking towards Theoden Gandalf's staff is lowered in almost every angle except the one from behind them (the first time?). I am sure there's a few more editing glitches... but given that they spend several days filming these very complex scenes, it's amazing that they can get all of the editing done well.

I do wish they would have first shown the scene with Aragon with his head to the ground tracking the Uruk-Hai before we saw Merry and Pippin. It was confusing to my husband who has never read the book.

But, as complex as the Tolkien's work is it's hard make everything pure and still move the story along in a movie. As far as following the books PJ did try to adhere when he felt he could... as loose as the TTT movie was, it did move the storyline along by the end... well almost to the end of TTT book and a few great big RotK lines said by other characters that move the story along better on screen (i.e. Grima saying a few of Gandalf's lines from RotK to Eowyn, and Aragorn and Eowyn's interaction on "A cage")... I can't wait to see Eowyn in the RotK. Who says Tolkien had a purely masculine perspective...she's truly a mover and shaker of her time... ;-)
Originally posted by samwise of the shire
Did anybody notice the cut above Merry's eye? It was there during the battle scene but when they ran into Fangorn and met Treebeard there wasn't a sign of it anywhere. Not a scar or blood or anything.
Cheers,
Sam
Although we didn't see them drink from the Entwash or have a drink of Treebeard's draughts, we can assume the wounds healed themselves just like the book...

But another post stated by squinteyedsoutherner...

Another mistake, I believe, is that Faramir is wearing the livery of the heirs of Elendil (the white tree, stars and crorwn). RoTK says that "and none wore it now in all of Gondor save the guards of the Citadel before the court of the fountain where the white tree had grown" Watch Faramir in Osgiliath, he's definitely wearing it.
...and if remember right... it was against their law to do so... but it is beautiful and perhaps it does give us a glimpse of the white tree and 7 stars before the next movie which in my opinion was very confusing the first time I read the book. I didn't know the significance of it.

Wondering why PJ decided to do with the Tolkien's work I think is okay, but I do think we have to be careful to criticize at least until RotK movie... :-)

[eowyngirl14]

That reminds me... If Aragorn could 'hear' the vibrations of the orcs running a days journey ahead, the n shouldn't he easily have guessed that a large group on horseack was approaching before they were practically on top of them? Maybe he has to lie down to do it...?:)

[LovesBeren]

Hey eowyngirl14 - Love that girl...

Originally posted by eowyngirl14
That reminds me... If Aragorn could 'hear' the vibrations of the orcs running a days journey ahead, the n shouldn't he easily have guessed that a large group on horseack was approaching before they were practically on top of them? Maybe he has to lie down to do it...?:)
Hope you don't mind that I went to the book on this one...

In the book they tracked Uruk-Hai by the "messy" trail they left behind...solving the riddles as they went along. There was no need to listen to the ground... until nightfall with no moon... then, Aragorn says, "Where sight fails the earth may bring rumour,"... after some time he says, "The rumour of the earth is dim and confused...Nothing walks upon it for many miles about us. Faint and far are the feet of our enemies. But loud are the hoofs of the horses..." he thought it was a dream at first... A day (or two) Later we learn the sound of horses were the Riders of Rohan... (Legolas was first to spot them with his keen eyes miles away).

I don't know what PJ was doing with the "listening to vibrations of Aragorn," but it does seem inconsistant that Aragorn did not hear horsemen as well. Perhaps it was one of the those "time" issues with a already 3-hour movie or he didn't want to confuse an "unread" audience with a new element. I do think the movie should have been a bit "tighter" in the beginning at least. But maybe knowing the book so well hinders my ability to discern.

Thanks for the reply... eowyngirl14!

[azalea]

Gerbil, here is a quote from Appendix A (I had looked it up last night because I had the same thought :) ):

"...Arwen became as a mortal woman, and yet it was not her lot to die until all that she had gained was lost."

To me that says that she was indeed destined to die, but because of her elvishness she did have a longer life span than normal, and it so happened that she outlasted Aragorn. After he went, she, as I'm sure you remember, went to empty Lorien and eventually "laid herself to rest," kind of choosing her time to die just as Aragorn had.

[lacemkr90]

On the trip from Edoras to Helms Deep I noticed that Eowyn was wearing a long sleeved dress with a fur collar and carried no baggage. Then as she entered Helms Deep she has on a jumper and a basket is strapped to her back.
:confused:

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by LovesBeren

Thanks for the reply... eowyngirl14! [/B]

WOW! You are the only person to thank me for responding! How nice! Thankyou for clearing up the vibration issue for me! My brain was going to break trying to figure it out.:) Happy New Year everyone!:D

lacemkr90, maybe she is just special, and is the only one who gets to change cloths?! The fur collar dress thing looked a little like a coat/overdress/thingy to me... maybe she just got hot and took it off. Also her pack could have been on one of the horses, and then she had to remove it when all of the men road off to fight the wargs... but there is no logical reason behind why Peter Jackson would do that...:) good catch! I didn't notice that!:cool:

[LovesBeren]

Originally posted by eowyngirl14
WOW! You are the only person to thank me for responding! How nice! :D :) eowyngirl14

LovesBeren ;)

[cassiopeia]

Originally posted by Gerbil
Also, from what I recall, doesn't Arwen technically give up her place in Valinor for Frodo? I'm sure I recall somewhere Tolkien making a comment on this.
From the ROTK:
But the Queen Arwen said: 'A gift I will give you. For I am the daughter of Elrond. I shall not go with him now when he departs to the Havens; for mine is the choice of Lúthien, and as she so have I chosen, both the sweet and the bitter. But in my stead you shall go, Ring-bearer, when the time comes, and if you then desire it. If your hurts grieve you still and the memory of your burden is heavy, then you may pass into the West, until all your wounds and weariness are healed. But wear this now in memory of Elfstone and Evenstar with whom your life has been woven!'

[Elvedans]

Originally posted by eowyngirl14
That is what I thought too! Iin Fotr when she hands Aragorn her little necklace thingy, they make it sound like she is giving up her immortality for him! I do like that scene, even if I don't like Arwen!:)

Yay! I'm not the only one then! Double bonus: not only does someone agree with me but i got quoted too!
P.S I like Arwen, she's so Elvish

[Miranda]

Originally posted by Elvedans
Yay! I'm not the only one then! Double bonus: not only does someone agree with me but i got quoted too!
P.S I like Arwen, she's so Elvish

Well she is an elf! If she was hobbit-ish we'd be very worried!!! Tee hee! Mx

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Elvedans
Yay! I'm not the only one then! Double bonus: not only does someone agree with me but i got quoted too!
P.S I like Arwen, she's so Elvish

I'm quoting you yet again... but I don't agree this time, sorry. Yes Arwen is really elvish, BUT I DON"T LIKE HER! SHE GETS ARAGORN AND EOWYN DOES NOT! NOT FAIR! NOT FAIR! NOT FAIR! :)

[Elvedans]

Hey Eowyngirl14, that is precisely the reason i hate Eowyn. She tries to steal Aragorn with her teary little eyes. Grrrrr-bark! Get your filthy hands off him girl !!! :mad:

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Elvedans
Hey Eowyngirl14, that is precisely the reason i hate Eowyn. She tries to steal Aragorn with her teary little eyes. Grrrrr-bark! Get your filthy hands off him girl !!! :mad:

NOoooooooo! Down with Arwen! I bet she couldn't hold a sword for her life! Does she kill the Witchking? I don't thinks so! Eowyn kills the Witchking! That's rigth Eowyn does! She is the best! Atleast Eowyn doesn't show up in movies she doesn't belong in, unlike someone I know *stares pointedly at Arwen's face witch is ruining my Aragorn picture!* (well don't really know her, but you get the idea!) :)

[LovesBeren]

I think this discussion might end up somewhere else... since it is getting off topic. But Eowyn is a different dimension of womanhood than Arwen. Arwen didn't have the huge oppression around her like Eowyn. (Although Arwen did lose her mother to Orcs) Her response to isolation and dotage (not to mention a wizard wanna be speaking spells to her as well) probably saved her sanity in the end. In comes "knight in shining armor" Aragorn... and she was awestruck.

****Spoiler for Rotk*****

Then later ends up with Faramir... some on another site call this foul... but I don't so... I'll put my reply below...

I think Eowyn is more emotionally balanced than even Tolkien leads us to believe at first. Faramir (who Tolkien I've heard is the character in the LotR that is most like himself) is both wise, valiant, and a good judge of character. He would not have taken Eowyn as his wife if she did not demonstrate both loyality and love to him. I'm sure he could have had his pick of many women to marry. I think it was to Eowyn's credit that she "Got over it" and moved on in her life. Many people just sit around and mourn their loss. (I know, I know... it also forever ties together Men of Gondor with The Rohirrim as well, but I still think is beside the point)

more...

Aragorn says something that leads me to believe (in the book) that, although he greatly admired Eowyn, he wasn't capable of loving her... In other words, there is really never a love triangle and I don't think PJ goes over the line on this..... for example,

Few other griefs amid the ill chances of this world have more bitterness and shame for a man's heart than to hehold the love of a lady so fair and brave that cannot be returned. Sorrow and pity have followed me ever since I left her desperare in Dunharrow... from RotK, The Houses of the healing
And as for answering the questions I had on how Eowyn could have loved him and then fallen in love with Faramir is that she wasn't quite was quite sane when she meet Aragron... she was likely clinically depressed and she saw something else she mistook for "love" at the time...
Gandalf says to Eomer on Eowyn:
You had horse, and deeds of arms and the free fields; but she, born in the body of a maid, had a spirit and courage at least the match of yours. Yet she was doomed to wait upon an old man, whom she loved as a father, and watch him falling into mean dishonoured dotage; and her part seemd to her more ignoble that the staff he leaned on. ...but who knows what she spoke to the darkness, alone, in the bitter watch of the night? Said by Grima in TTT but in book - RotK, Houses of the Healing

Furthermore Aragorn even says he never was tempted, however it is clear that there was a connection... whether it was pity... or deep felt compassion for a woman that has been manipulated and is deeply sad.
...Aragorn to Eomer of Eowyn:
I say to you that she loves you more truly than me...but in me she loves only a shadow and a thought: a hope of glory and great deeds, and lands far from the fields of Rohan (away from the dishonour of what she is experencing... my addition to the text). - Houses of the Healing

And now Eowyn's words, which in my opinion, give more evidence that she felt trapped and depressed...

What do you fear, lady? He asked (Aragorn).
'A cage," she said (Eowyn). To stay beind bars, until use and old age accept them and all chance of doing great deeds is gone beyond recall or desire." - in TTT movie, but in Book RotK, The Passing of the Grey Company
Aragorn represented"a way out of her misery, a saviour, not a man. With the help of her Eomer (her family) she can regain her hope. As we most of us know, when we are "balanced" we can find true love (not when we are desparate). In comes Faramir... both valiant and wise... She was sure to notice.

I think Tolkien dearly loved women and understood both the "Awen's and Eowyns" (and especially his Luthien)... Don't you think? :-)

Luthien (LovesBeren)

[eowyngirl14]

What does 'dotage' mean?

Sorry, ya, you definetly have a point there!:)

Thankyou for posting that, I understand it a lot better now, but Eowyn still should have gotten Aragorn!:)

[LovesBeren]

dotage - A deterioration of mental faculties; senility. (Theoden)

:-) Hey, but she may end up better for it ... eowyngirl14!

LovesBeren

:)

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by LovesBeren
dotage - A deterioration of mental faculties; senility. (Theoden)

:-) Hey, but she may end up better for it ... eowyngirl14!

LovesBeren

:)

I looked up what senility means, so I don't have to ask you... ya she might be better off, but Aragorn is sooo much better looking then Faramir! I am being shallow I know... but it's true! Even though Faramir is a lot sweeter...

[Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn]

Well..theres this site where they have like 90 of them, but the one i noticed is where legolas does the really cool swingy thingy on top of the horse when their fighting the orcs with the kingdom of roham on the way to helms deep. Legolas swings on behind gimli, and in the next scene, hes in front of him. I also notice that he didnt have his contacts on for some of the time...silly orlando.:D




*Laura*
Legolas, Frodo, and aragorn lover

[Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn]

I remember another one! When gandalf rides his horse, he rides "bareback" tho he really has a saddle on it in real life. If you watch carefully, in some scenes the stirrups are showing

*Laura*
Legolas, Frodo, and Aragorn freak

[eowyngirl14]

How do they make te saddle not show up?:) Good catch! About the Gimili, Legolas, seeting arangment!;)

[Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn]

They try to hide it with gandlafs clothes

[eowyngirl14]

You'de think they would come up with something a little more clever than that... was it a white saddle at least?:) They could have gotten white stirrups too!

[Arathorn]

With the technology available today, they can always digitally erase the saddle like the way they erase andy Serkis and put in Gollum. That's just a guess, of course.

[eowyngirl14]

That would amke sense Arathorn, all this digital stuff is starting to scare me!!!!:) :) :D :) :)

[donagel]

Perhaps it was a trick of light but I think I saw a mistake in the "future" scene of Aragorn lying dead, and then turing into a tomb with his "love" standing over him. It appeared to me that the dead and the stone aragorn blinks several times.

Also, from a timeline perspective, several of the ents from the entmoot heed treebeards call for war. Were they following him??They are not the fastest of creatures.

I know the scene at the wall was hillarious, but Gimli is not that short. He barely comes up to Legolas waist at the wall, while in other scenes he is at least 8 to 12 inches taller.

And lastly, I realize its in the book, but how does a dwarf with little stuby legs and in full armour keep up with 2 lightly armoured, long-legged people on a 3 day run?

Nigel

[eowyngirl14]

Lol! The stone blinks!:) :)

[LuthienTinuviel]

oooh i thought i saw the flinchy stone as well!

i just chalked it up to a trick of the light, but now that someone else has mentioned it.. hmmm....


im just dissapointed that there's no cars in this one.:D

[Tawfret Melee]

To comment upon some things said aways back there:

Merry's wound shouldn't have healed. It says in the book that he carried the scar until the day he died, so that was a mistake regardless of whether they drank the Ent Draught between scenes.

As for Legolas' changing eyes... so many people in the audience noticed this, that I wondered how it could go unnoticed by the production crew? :confused: And couldn't they just use computers to fix the problem if they had noticed? Half the movie's computer generated anyway!

And finally, on Arwen's youthful appearance in the flash-forwards. I thought that Elrond was doing the elven 'psychic' trick that has already been established, and was showing her images of her future. I thought that the present-day Arwen was viewing the premonitions as her current self, and not as the aged self that she would actually be when Aragorn died. Er... I'm probably totally wrong, so I'll just chalk this one up as another excuse to see the movie again!

[BeardofPants]

She became mortal, not human. I don't think she was supposed to age visibly.

[Tawfret Melee]

Thanks. I like that explanation tons better. :D I'm still going to see the film again, though!

[Evenstar1400]

Ya know when Frodo falls into the Dead Marshes with all the "dead things"? One of them looked like they only had 4 fingers instead of 5. It could be that that particular "dead thing" had lost a finger in the battle....... but still.............

[HobbitChick88]

If you lookreally, really, really closely, you can see Merry's scar, but it's very light. You can see just a small bit of red, but it's there.
And also, as someone else mentioned earlier, when it does a wide shot of Gimli, Legolas, and Aragorn, if you watch Legolas, you can see that he trips and nearly falls down. :D It's kinda funny (even though elves don't trip over stuff)!! ;)

~HC88

[Elf Girl]

:( I saw the movie again yesterday but I didn't see any of these.

[eowyngirl14]

Evenstar1400, we need to see the movie again and check out the mysterious blinking stone and this 4-fingered dead thing of yours!:) :)

[Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn]

my friend noticed the 4 fingered thing too...creep *shudder* lol.

[eowyngirl14]

Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn, I believe the person we speak of is one and the same... *cough *caroline*cough*:) :)

[Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn]

didnt realize that was u carrie...

[eowyngirl14]

That is okay. I realize that i can be rather elusive at times! Hee Hee Hee... You can never tell if I am really there or not... BE AFRAID! BE VERY AFRAID!:) :)

[Jonathan]

Did anyone notice that David Wenham who plays Faramir in TTT has the wrong hair colour?
In RotK - The Steward and the King, you can read that Faramir's hair is black as a raven, and in all art made by the famous Tolkien concept artists you can see his black hair.

It's strange that the movie makers missed that. All the other characters have been compared to the existing art. Look at Gandalf for example, he looks just like he does in a painting by John Howe:
http://inkpot.com/classical/images/gandalf.jpg

The movie makers even had the concept artists Alan Lee and John Howe working for them. Couldn't they say "Hey, you must do something about Wenham's hair"?

Otherwize, I think that Wenham preformed very well, even though Faramir was a little more evil in the movie than in the books. Faramir is one of my favourite characters in Lotr and that is why I reacted on his hair in the movie :D

[Elvedans]

Originally posted by Jonathan
Did anyone notice that David Wenham who plays Faramir in TTT has the wrong hair colour?
In RotK - The Steward and the King, you can read that Faramir's hair is black as a raven, and in all art made by the famous Tolkien concept artists you can see his black hair.

It's strange that the movie makers missed that. All the other characters have been compared to the existing art. Look at Gandalf for example, he looks just like he does in a painting by John Howe:
http://inkpot.com/classical/images/gandalf.jpg

The movie makers even had the concept artists Alan Lee and John Howe working for them. Couldn't they say "Hey, you must do something about Wenham's hair"?

Otherwize, I think that Wenham preformed very well, even though Faramir was a little more evil in the movie than in the books. Faramir is one of my favourite characters in Lotr and that is why I reacted on his hair in the movie :D

Yeah I noticed that too. I reckon they did that because a)they wanted to keep the similarity theme going between Boromir and Faramir and b) because it would look odd if you had a pale skinned man with black hair. They would have to have somebody mediterranean looking to carry off the black hair. or c)They were just too stupid to notice

[Arathorn]

I've been checking out that scene in the stable where Gandalf tells Aragorn to look to the eas on the morning of the 5th day and Aragorn seeming to say "OK". After the 6th viewing, it finally ocurred to me that what he actually said was "Go".

[Elf Girl]

I was listening when I saw it again last week. He definetly said "go".

[ugo]

Gollum quite violently bites Sam around the neck area in the opening stages of the film yet he doesn't seem to leave a mark. Not even a love bite.

[LuthienTinuviel]

oh i forgot about the bite mark! your right... reason #1 to go see it again!

merry's light scar....reason #2 to go see it again

oh and i did see legolas trip! i started laughing and a bunch of people turned around cause they didn't know what was so funny.

AND I STILL WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE HECK GIMLI DROPS!

i still don't think that legolas' eyes change colour though.. BUT I MIGHT JUST HAVE TO GO SEE IT AGAIN TO FIND OUT wee!

Jonathan, your right about Faramir's hair... but i did like the change it makes him look more like boromir and this will help non readers tie the two together better.

ARRRGGGGGGH. i need to see RotK.

brr it's cold in this house.

[Black Breathalizer]

Originally posted by ugo
Gollum quite violently bites Sam around the neck area in the opening stages of the film yet he doesn't seem to leave a mark. Not even a love bite.um...error or not, does the audience REALLY NEED TO SEE A HICKY on Sam?!?!?!?!

[eowyngirl14]

Faramir's hair may be the wrong color, but I think they chose an excelent actor to play the part! I love when you can see in his face the hard decision he is struggling ot make when he is dragging Frodo and Sam to Cirith Ungol (or he could be thinking, why the heck am I going to Cirith Ungol anyway...):) :)

[Jonathan]

Faramir's hair may be the wrong color, but I think they chose an excelent actor to play the part!Yeah, David Wenham preformed very well. Better having an excellent actor with the wrong hair colour than having a mediocre actor with the right hair colour.

[Entlover]

Re Legolas almost tripping: I read in my LotR magazine (a very well done magazine by the way) that all three of the runners were injured just before they shot those running scenes: the guy standing in for Gimli had dislocated his knee, Orlando had cracked his ribs falling off a horse (talk about an elf being clumsy?) and Viggo had broken his big toe.

The scene where Viggo breaks his toe is in the movie, where he kicks the helmet on the edge of Fangorn, drops to his knees and clenches his fist: he's in agony over his toe, not grief over the hobbits, but they left it in because it's in character.

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Entlover
The scene where Viggo breaks his toe is in the movie, where he kicks the helmet on the edge of Fangorn, drops to his knees and clenches his fist: he's in agony over his toe, not grief over the hobbits, but they left it in because it's in character.

That's really funny! It fits so well into the movie!:) :)

[HobbitChick88]

Originally posted by Entlover
The scene where Viggo breaks his toe is in the movie, where he kicks the helmet on the edge of Fangorn, drops to his knees and clenches his fist: he's in agony over his toe, not grief over the hobbits, but they left it in because it's in character.

I didn't kow that! :eek: That's kinda funny though! :D

[Elvedans]

Is that for real Entlover or are you just joking coz I keep laughing just thinking about that!!!

[Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn]

if u go to moviemistakes.com and search for the two towers..they have a whole bunch of them

[Elvellyn]

I went to that site L_F_A.
145 mistakes!!!!!!!!
Most of them I would never have noticed.
I thought it was funny that you could see where Liv Tyler had her ears pierced when elves didnt have pierced ears:D :D

[Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn]

yea...do u think that in TTT when legolas does the cool mount thingy when they attack the wargs, that he was really dismounting, and they played it backwards?

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn
yea...do u think that in TTT when legolas does the cool mount thingy when they attack the wargs, that he was really dismounting, and they played it backwards?

:) :) that could be!! i would laugh if that were true!

[Elvedans]

Originally posted by Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn
yea...do u think that in TTT when legolas does the cool mount thingy when they attack the wargs, that he was really dismounting, and they played it backwards?

Don't make me snort... wait it's too late...PAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! !!!!!
*Snorts with mirth*
No I don't think so Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn!

[Cirdan]

Originally posted by Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn
yea...do u think that in TTT when legolas does the cool mount thingy when they attack the wargs, that he was really dismounting, and they played it backwards?

yes, definitely.

[Elvedans]

But did you see the way he did it? And how would they show the other horses still moving while he did it, would they run backwards? I'm no expert in things like this but it didn't look much like a backwards dismount.

[Cirdan]

If you look close it is a composite image.

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Cirdan
If you look close it is a composite image.

what is a composite image?

[Entlover]

A composite image is like a collage - they take the scene with the horses running forwards, and the slice of scene with Legolas dismounting, run it backwards so it looks like he's mounting in some wierd way, and put them together so we rack our brains trying to figure out how he did it.
I think.

[Daughter of Elros]

alrighty then. Legolas' eyes do not change colour. He has dark blue eyes, they made it an unealrty blue, seeing as he's an elf. when is eyes are not in the light, they look just as black as his pupils, esp. in the scene where the peasents of Rohan are getting ready to fight. In the sunlight, or lightning flash, or bright light, they regain thier blue colour.

Sorry dear, but I have to disagree. Chocolate brown looks nothing like blue. And 90% of the time, Legolas' eyes are definately brown. My guess is that the contacts bothered his eyes or something, so they only put them in when they knew they were going to do close-ups of his eyes.

[Daughter of Elros]

On the trip from Edoras to Helms Deep I noticed that Eowyn was wearing a long sleeved dress with a fur collar and carried no baggage. Then as she entered Helms Deep she has on a jumper and a basket is strapped to her back.

I would assume, being royalty, it was a priveledge granted to her to change, and I just thought that she took someone else's pack to lighten their load and be the ever perfect goddess of men that she is.

[Daughter of Elros]

There was a discussion on Faramir's hair? The thing there is... David Wenham looks...erm... interesting with black hair. We'll leave it at that. if ya don't beleive me, go watch Moulin Rouge again. Though the lipstick, mascara, and eyeshadow might throw your perception off a bit...

[TopazJedi]

OMG, i can't believe noone saw the sword part! in the scene where Eomer has just mounted his horse, aragorn looks over his left shoulder as Eomer says the line "look for your freinds. but do not trust a hope..." eomer's sword slips all the way out of his scabbard, and falls (you can't see it hit the ground, but you can see the end of the sword fall out) the actor then looks down to the ground, as if he is thinking "Oops! maybe noone will notice!"

[SamwiseGamgeeOTS]

I can't believe you guys didn't catch this! I was sitting in the theater for the 5th time....that's how long it took me to catch this though...so i'll give you guys some credit.

During the Helm's Deep scene, Aragorn screams 'laddars' in elvish. GIMLI UNDERSTANDS! He says "YES!" Now...how is that possible? Gimli can't speak elvish and he can't see over the wall in front of him because he's too short? well.....nice job PJ! haha.:D

[azalea]

Someone did mention that somewhere (I forget where).