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Cirdan
12-12-2002, 08:54 PM
Post your favorite quotes or narrative that is likely to be cut or will be missing from The Two Towers for reasoms of pace or brevity.



'I wonder', said Frodo. 'But I don't know. And that's the way of a real tale. Take any one that your fond of. You may know, or guess, what kind of tale it is, happy-ending or sad-ending, but the people in it don't know. And you dont want them to.'
'No sir, of course not. Beren now, he never thought he was going to get that Simaril from the Iron Crown in Thangorodrim, and yet he did, and that was a worse place and a blacker danger than ours. But that's a long tale, of course, and goes on past the happiness and into grief and beyond it - and the Silmaril went on and came to Earendil. And why, sir, I never thought of that before! We've got - you've got some of the light of it in that star-glass that the Lady gave you!. Why, to think of it, we're in the same tale still! It's going on. Don't the great tales never end?

I like this bit (sorry it's so long) because it shows Tolkien's telescoping out of on story to another, all while developing the characters. It gives us a bit of Tolkien's own voice as well. The idea about stories that go on forever is most certainly a personal trait.

Note to Admins: I wasn't sure this fit well in either the movie or book category, so...

azalea
12-12-2002, 11:22 PM
Oh, I love that bit!

I think they'll probably leave out Treebeard reciting his "list," a part I really liked. Room tum, room tum, roomty toom tum.

Cirdan
12-13-2002, 12:02 AM
Hey azalea, your a mod! Cograts!

Many they will put in the little bit at the parting after where treebeard says the hobbits have been added. *feigns optimism*

I just noticed you're from FL. I was born in daytona beach.:)

GandalfTheWhite
12-13-2002, 12:09 AM
this is a bit off topic and jumping a little far ahead, but they better have sams bit about nine fingered frodo and the ring of doom in ROTK

azalea
12-13-2002, 12:12 AM
Thanks; yes I hope there's a lot left in, and considering that it's over three hours, they have little excuse, especially since the Departure of Boromir already happened, and Shelob is not till the next one; I just moved here last month from NC, and I love it so far!:)

Oops, sorry, I was replying to Cirdan!

Khamûl
12-13-2002, 12:24 AM
There is still hope that they'll keep one of my favorite lines from TTT. It's where Theoden is talking to Aragorn at Helm's Deep before the final charge:

"Will you ride with me then, son of Arathorn? Maybe we shall cleave a road, or make such an end as will be worth a song -- if any be left to sing of us hereafter."

Lizra
12-13-2002, 12:38 AM
Ooooh! That sounds good!

Cirdan
12-13-2002, 12:38 AM
Khamul, I hope the quote from your sig is still in; a quiter moment though, so it may be at risk. The thirty minutes of helm's deep will leave opportunity for Theoden's line. It's got drama in it.

I wonder how much of gollum's babble the screen can hold? The Bilbo's fish riddle would be good, though.

Khamûl
12-13-2002, 12:44 AM
*smacks forehead*

How could I forget about the one in my sig?! It's one of my favorite lines concerning that Fool of a Took.:D

Cirdan
12-13-2002, 02:14 AM
Well, technically you didn't since it appears in the thread.:D

"Don't you damage my pans or I'll carve you into mincemeat"

Sam to Gollum

does anyone still eat mincemeat?

Sween
12-13-2002, 05:52 AM
Frodo to anyone: please take the ring i dont want it im weak opps ive just fallen over

Dunadan
12-13-2002, 06:08 AM
Originally posted by Cirdan
does anyone still eat mincemeat?
'fraid so. What do you make your Bolognese out of? Mind you, minced Gollum would be pretty dodgy fare.

Saruman: "What is the House of Eorl but a thatched barn where the brigands drink in the reek and their brats roll on the floor among the dogs?"

Hasty Ent
12-13-2002, 01:02 PM
Great quote, Dunadan!

One of my favorite passages is the one where Gandalf confronts Saruman at Orthanc. I love the way Tolkien describes the seductiveness of Saruman's voice, its effect on those listening and then contrasts it with the harsh sounding Theoden and Gandalf.

I can't wait to see TTT, but I'm also terrified...it's by far my favorite volume, and I know there will be many passages altered or omitted:( ... Still, if PJ can get the 'spirit' of the thing right, that is still an accomplishment.

Firekitten2006
12-13-2002, 02:05 PM
I like Treebeard's list :)

And Sam's poem about the Oliphants (did I spell that right?)

oooohhhhh btw I saw the Oliphants on a trailer the other day! Really cool and exactly how I imagined them! (i know that most people are going to say that, but they were!)

WallRocker
12-13-2002, 04:03 PM
'Learn now the lore of the living creatures!
First name the four, the free people:
Eldest of all, the elf-children;
Dwarf the delver, dark are his houses;
Ent the earthborn, old as mountains;
Man the mortal, master of horses:

hm,hm,hm...

why not make a new line? said Pippin

Half-grown hobbits, the hole-dwellers'

I LOVE this song, and I bet PJ'll leave it out

LuthienTinuviel
12-13-2002, 04:38 PM
i hope everyone of the lines from TTT is in the movie.



but i may be just a little too optimistic:D :rolleyes:

Blackboar
12-13-2002, 05:24 PM
I love Treebeards list!
Its in my sig!!! ;)

englishnerd
12-13-2002, 10:12 PM
Cirdan: the quote you submitted first-post is the one that absolutely cannot be left out, and still have some semblance of Tolkien's idea. I dread them leaving it out.

I love the interaction between Gimli and Legolas as they develop their friendship...I got a bit more of that vibe in the extended version, and I hope they include the "notches in the axe" bit in TTT.

Also, Treebeard's quote about the names of things; makes you realize how much more of a person or thing there is than that which is represented by the name. How hasty we really are when we quickly gloss over the name of something...like really, calling Cirdan 'Cirdan' tells me a bit about the personality, but not all. The name of someone doesn't even scratch the surface or personality...how much of a surface words are.

ArwenEvenstar
12-14-2002, 02:10 PM
Lets see how about . . . Anything from the Scouring of the Shire!!!:mad: oh well. . .

BeardofPants
12-14-2002, 03:00 PM
"By Elbereth and Luthien the Fair, you shall have neither the ring nor me!"

Cirdan
12-14-2002, 03:13 PM
Hey Englishnerd, welcome to the Moot! I was looking at the dialog between Gimli and Legolas, too. I like the descriptions of the caves but they are very long so will probably be excluded.

Khamûl
12-16-2002, 12:28 AM
I have some that I thought of, but I seem to have misplaced my copy of TTT. Argh. I'll get back to you on this. Without quoting directly, I hope the line with Faramir and Gollum at the Forbidden Pool is in there. "To eat fish from the pool is death." *Gollum throws fish down* "Don't want fishess..." Something along those lines anyway.

Fred Baggins
12-16-2002, 12:32 AM
I would...but I don't have time to copy an entire chapter...

Cirdan
12-17-2002, 04:15 PM
Great ilexes of huge girth stood dark and solemn in wide glades with here and there among them hoary ash-trees, and giant oaks just putting out their brown-green buds. About them lay long launds of green grass dappled with celandine and anemones, white and blue, now folded for sleep; and there were acres populous with the leaves of woodland hyacinths: already their sleek bell-stems were thrusting through the mould.

Is there any place like this to film?

cassiopeia
12-18-2002, 12:54 AM
Frodo's face was peaceful, the marks of fear and care had left it; but it looked old, old and beautiful, as if the chiselling of the shaping years was now revealed in many fine lines that had before been hidden, though the identity of the face was not changed. Not that Sam Gamgee put it that way to himself. He shook his head, as if finding words useless, and murmured: `I love him. He's like that, and sometimes it shines through, somehow. But I love him, whether or no.'

Hmm, I doubt they would put this in the film.

Cirdan
01-13-2003, 02:37 PM
'Well, Frodo, now at last we understand one another,' said Faramir. If you took this thing on yourself, unwilling, at others' asking, then you have pity anf honour from me. And I marvel at you: to keep it hid and not to use it. You are a new people and a new world to me. Are all your kin of like sort? Your land must be a realm of peace and content, and there must gardeners be in high honour.'
'Not all is well there,' said Frodo, 'but cetainly gardeners are honoured.'

Lady of Rohan
01-13-2003, 06:21 PM
I know that the movie is already out but I wanted this quote to be in the movie (if you look at my signature then that is the quote I wanted to be in the movie). I wanted that to be in the movie because I thought that it was funny how sarcastic Legolas was being.

Gorhiriel
03-20-2003, 01:05 AM
I was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO cheesed off they left out the Lament for Boromir! I SO wanted to hear it!!

Gwaimir Windgem
03-20-2003, 02:45 AM
Originally posted by Lady of Rohan
I know that the movie is already out but I wanted this quote to be in the movie (if you look at my signature then that is the quote I wanted to be in the movie). I wanted that to be in the movie because I thought that it was funny how sarcastic Legolas was being.

Which? Yoshvan or the Spelling dictionary? ;)