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viggosbeard
12-12-2002, 05:07 AM
Ive just read the Guardian report on the premiere of TTT here in Blighty - got a massive thumbs up ( as it has in the Independant and the Express ) but what struck me was the bravery of the reporter Xan Brook - this person called legolas a " self satisfied bore " !!?? my god , there will be a legion of Legoladies chomping at the bit for his blood - if they catch him it would be like a puppy defending himself from a gaggle of rampaging Wargs ( well what is a group of rampaging wargs called ? ) ,very brave person !:p
Ive just read the daily Mail report and its really bouncing - its about the best review ive evere read ( i wonder if PJ did it ! )

Dunadan
12-12-2002, 05:29 AM
Good review.

Here's the link, if folk are interested:

http://film.guardian.co.uk/lordoftherings/news/0,11016,858161,00.html

Miranda
12-12-2002, 11:03 AM
Well I'm definately baying for his blood!!!!! How dare he say that about Legolas! I have a right mind to march myself down there and tell him exactly what I think of his journalism- HISS!!! WE HATESSSS HIM FOREVER MY PRECIOUSSSSS!!! Mx

BeardofPants
12-12-2002, 02:12 PM
Well, all he does is nance around looking pretty. I'd call that boring too. :p

azalea
12-12-2002, 03:12 PM
I think the reviewer is just jealous;) .

Aside from the Legolas comment, I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THIS MOVIE! But I am worried about the reference to Aragorn being TORN:confused: :mad: .

Dunadan
12-13-2002, 05:33 AM
Today there's a new review. You're not gonna like it:

Anti-Tolkien diatribe (http://film.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/Critic_Review/Guardian_Film_of_the_week/0,4267,858659,00.html)

I know that some of us perhaps take ME a bit too seriously, but methinks this person is doing the same. Regressive disorder, anyone?

cheers

d.

Arathorn
12-13-2002, 06:40 AM
Originally posted by Dunadan
Today there's a new review. You're not gonna like it:

Anti-Tolkien diatribe (http://film.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/Critic_Review/Guardian_Film_of_the_week/0,4267,858659,00.html)

I know that some of us perhaps take ME a bit too seriously, but methinks this person is doing the same. Regressive disorder, anyone?

cheers

d.

I think deep down inside he liked it. He's trying too hard to say something bad about the film. His words are not convincing to me (the reviewer, that is). :rolleyes: :D

Dunadan
12-13-2002, 08:41 AM
Originally posted by Arathorn
I think deep down inside he liked it. He's trying too hard to say something bad about the film. His words are not convincing to me (the reviewer, that is). :rolleyes: :D
Yes, I think you're right. Also suspicious is the (admittedly declared) loathing of fantasy for its own sake.

However, if the climax is "worthy of Kurosawa", I don't care about the rest!

Sween
12-13-2002, 08:53 AM
Originally posted by Dunadan
Yes, I think you're right. Also suspicious is the (admittedly declared) loathing of fantasy for its own sake.

However, if the climax is "worthy of Kurosawa", I don't care about the rest!

yeah he seemed to be trying hard to find something not to like. I have not heard a bad review about it yet :-).

Forgive my ignorance (again) but who or what is kurosawa

Dunadan
12-13-2002, 09:44 AM
Originally posted by Sween
Forgive my ignorance (again) but who or what is kurosawa
Not ignorance, just bad luck! Akira Kurosawa was a legendary Japanese film director who made dozens of stupendous films, the best known being Seven Samurai (from which The Magnificent Seven is a pallid adaptation). If you've not seen it, you need to, coz it's totally awesome. Hire the vid, take the phone off the hook, crack open a bottle of your favourite swally and immerse yourself in 3.5 hours of pure genius.

Actually, the phrase from the review is "echoes of Kurosawa". Whatever. But I can't think of much better praise for an action film than to be compared with AK.

[EDIT]: just had a look on the net and came across a short list of directors who cite Kurosawa as a direct influence: George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, Martin Scorcese, Francis Ford Coppola, John Woo, Sergio Leone, John Sturges and Walter Hill. Apparently a recent poll of film directors put Seven Samurai in their top ten best films of all time.

cheers

d.

azalea
12-13-2002, 02:57 PM
Well, he is really mistaking the "movie" ME for the "real" ME when he's ranting.

Nerdish nonsense? I'd like to see him say that to Aragorn's face?;)

And he refers to Saruman as the Dark Lord.:rolleyes:

Arathorn
12-13-2002, 04:00 PM
Yeah, actually, I've heard that quite a number of western movies (cowboy) were plot adaptations from A. Kurosawa's films.

If ever you watched one of Bruce Willis' lesser known action films "Last Man Standing", it is actually adapted from AK's 1961 creation "Yojimbo". Just change the Samurais with cowboys and that's it.

Renille
12-13-2002, 11:08 PM
Legolas IS a self satisfied bore! Why is that so wrong? :p I'm kidding, of course. I laugh at Tolkien deriders. It's so stupid..."Nerdish nonsense..." Could they spend time doing nothing else? It makes me so mad... oh well. It's okay. Tolkien is NOT for nerds. It's for intelligent people...UNLIKE the reviewers. :p

Millane
12-14-2002, 08:47 AM
what a wanker!!!
i wanna give this Peter Bradshaw fella another inbox full of hate mail... you could blame it on ignorance or maybe illitaracy but he will pay for his words...
the only thing worth reading in that pile of crap was the dwarves are the ghurkha equivilant that was good... and his praise of Christopher Lee and Ian McKellen... mind you for everything else...
3 stars... 3 STARS!!!!! WHAT A WANKER!!!

Dunadan
12-14-2002, 09:06 AM
I agree. Wise pranker indeed. To give him some credit, at least he does admit that the intellectual snobbery that drives people to deride JRRT's work is hypocritical. However, when a reviewer spends half of his article talking about himself, you just know they are have no idea what they are talking about.

sun-star
12-15-2002, 02:59 PM
I've been reading the various reviews in different newspapers (esp. Guardian and the Telegraph) and they're pretty funny. There was one on the Guardian's special LOTR section about how all Tolkien fans are nerdish boys trying to stay 12-year-olds for ever, or aging hippies. I'm 16 and I'm a girl, so that made me laugh :D