Question about names

[Firekitten2006]

are there different names for some of the characters? Like some ppl I've seen call Aragorn, Aduin, and Gandalf was called Mithrandir. Am I the only one that hasnt noticed these alternate names in the books?

[Shadowfax]

Yeah, a lot of them have more than one name, but it's just like it's in a different language. For example, Gandalf is called Mithrandir in Gondor, Aragorn is called Strider in Bree, there are other instances as well, but I don't have my book here just now. Other characters that have different names are Treebeard (Fangorn), Saruman (Sharky), Sauron (the Necromancer), I think even Frodo was called something different somewhere. Hope that helps.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Firekitten2006
are there different names for some of the characters? Like some ppl I've seen call Aragorn, Aduin, and Gandalf was called Mithrandir. Am I the only one that hasnt noticed these alternate names in the books? Many of the characters had more then one name.
Aragorn was also called Strider, Longshanks, Telcontar, Wing-foot, Elfstone, Elessar after he was crowned king, others.

Gandalf was called Mithrandir, Grey Wanderer, Grey Pilgrim, Tharkun by the Dwarves, Incanus by the Haradrim, Gandalf Greyhame by the Rohirrim, Stormcrow by Theoden, Lathspell by Grima, Grey fool by Denether, the White Rider, and in Valinor he was called Olorin.

Frodo was called the Ring Bearer, Frodo of the Nine Fingers.

Samwise Gamgee was called sam only IIRC

Merry was called Meridoc, Master Holbytla and Holdwine of the Shire in Rohan, Master Perian in Gondor, Master of Buckland, and Meridoc the Magnificent.

Pippin was called Peregrin Took, and Ernil i Pheriannath in Gondor, which meant Prince of the Halflings.

Gimli was called Elf friend, and lock bearer because of the gift of Galadriel.

Legolas was called green leaf.

Boromir was called Denethor's Heir

I listed the entire Fellowship.

[Duddun]

Yah they all had a bunch of names, I think Aragorn also had Dunadan, I can't remember though.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Duddun
Yah they all had a bunch of names, I think Aragorn also had Dunadan, I can't remember though. I beleive that Bilbo called him that in Rivendell.

[Firekitten2006]

okies :) I guess I just must have missed some of those names the first time around. I didnt remember seeing all those names for Merry. And totally dont remember Frodo Nine Fingers lol but I'm re reading the books so I'll get to look for them :)

[Duddun]

Alot of them I don't remember, the main ones I know are most of Gandalfs and Aragorns.

[Gamigar]

yup, i remember aragorn being called elesar

[The Ringbearer]

Hey, I was gonna list all of those! :mad: ;)

[Kirinki54]

Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
Many of the characters had more then one name.

This is IMHO one of the best examples of Tolkien´s inventiveness and love for languages.

[Melko Belcha]

Frodo = Elf-friend, Ring-bearer, Frodo of the Nine Fingers, and Nine Fingered Frodo.

Sam = Samwise

Merry = Meriadoc, Master Holbytla, Holdwine, Meriadoc the Magnificent, Master Perian

Pippin = Peregrin, Ernil i Pheriannath, Prince of the Halflings

Aragorn = Estel, Strider, Elessar, Elfstone, Telcontar, Isildur's Heir, the Renewer, Longshanks, Wing-foot

Gandalf = Olorin, Mithrandir, Grey Wanderer, Grey Pilgrim,Tharkun, Incanus, Greyhame, Stormcrow, Lathspell, Grey Fool, Enemy of Sauron, the White Rider

Legolas = green leaf

Gimli = Elf-friend, Lockbearer

Galadriel = Altariel, Lady or Lorien, Galadhriel, the Lady of the Wood, the Lady of the Galadrim, the Sorceress of the Golden Wood, the Mistress of Magic, the White Lady

Here's a few.

[Dúnedain]

Aragorn was also Thorongil, that is when he served for the Steward in Gondor, people only knew him as such...

[Melko Belcha]

I knew I missed something thanks.

[crickhollow]

Wasn't he also called Estle? Or did I make that up in my head?

[Gwaimir Windgem]

'Tis Estel, Elvish for Hope

[crickhollow]

thanks, Gwaimir--you're fast! I posted and then went to look it up. Came back w/ my answer and you were already here!

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Not only am I a halfwitted apprentice loremaster, I also have no life. :p

[crickhollow]

Neither do I. :D

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Ah, not having a life is fun, isn't it? :D ;)

[crickhollow]

At times, yes. But then there are those Friday nights when I wonder if there really isn't something else I could be doing. Then, I open another window on my browser, and plan a vacation that I will probably never take. Usually to somewhere with lots of museums. :rolleyes: Barcelona must be nice this time of year...How about a walking tour of Belfast?

anyway...OT.

and then there's Gollum:

Smeagol, Slinker, and Stinker. :D

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by crickhollow
At times, yes. But then there are those Friday nights when I wonder if there really isn't something else I could be doing.

Crick is kidding herself, she knows on those friday nights she is dreaming & thinking of me :D

[Gwaimir Windgem]

It's the weekends that really get to me, when there isn't anyone on... :( They're all out living their "real lives"! The nerve! :rolleyes:

[crickhollow]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
Crick is kidding herself, she knows on those friday nights she is dreaming & thinking of me :D Quiet, you, or I'll get that salmon out again!


*ahem* *assumes mod-voice*

stay on topic ;) :D

[crickhollow]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
It's the weekends that really get to me, when there isn't anyone on... :( They're all out living their "real lives"! The nerve! :rolleyes: so true, so true. The weekend is my time to work on all the homework that I put off while I was 'mooting.

sidenote: 1000th post for me!

And just to be on topic,

did Arwen have other names besides Undomiel?

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Hmm, the mod who's been here for a year has around half as many posts as the n00b who's been here for 3 months...What's wrong with this picture...? ;)

< is such a spammer. :rolleyes:

[Jonathan]

Originally posted by crickhollow
sidenote: 1000th post for me!

And just to be on topic,
did Arwen have other names besides Undomiel?

Congratulation for your 1000th post!

And Arwen was called Evenstar, but that's just Undómiel translated into English.

[Firekitten2006]

and Lady of Rivendell. :)

[Melko Belcha]

Sauron's Names from The Sil, The Hobbit, & LOTR.

Thauron, Gorthaur the Cruel, Sauron the Deceiver, the Lord of the Earth (Second Age), the Enemy, the Master, the Dark Power, the Dark Lord, the Lord of Mordor, the Power of the Black Land, the Black Master, the Black One, the Lord of Barad-dur, the Lord of the Dark Tower, the Shadow, the Unnamed, the Nameless, the Nameless One, the Nameless Eye, He, Him, the Black Hand, the Lord of the Rings, the Lord of the Ring, and the Ringmaker.

Attributively, the Great Eye, the Red Eye, the Eye of Barad-dur, the Lidless Eye, and the Evil Eye.

[gimli7410]

who gave them all those names

[Melko Belcha]

Tolkien just liked putting many names to people and places.

Gorthaur the Cruel is the Sindarin name for Sauron. Sauron comes from the earlier Quenya form Thauron.

Elbereth Gilthoniel is the Sindarin name, while in Quenya it is Varda Tintalle. But she is also called Elentari, Lady of the Stars, Fanuilos, and Snow-white.

Mostly Elves gave these names but not in all cases.

[gimli7410]

oh okay because i ko some of the people who gave the names but i didnt kno there was so many

[Elf Girl]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
Gandalf is called Mithrandir in Gondor.
I believe the Elves call him that, and the Gondorians do because they speak Elvish? Or am I confused?

[Melko Belcha]

Mithrandir in Sindarin for grey pilgrim

LOTR - Appendix F
After the Downfall of Numenor, Elendil led survivors of the Elf-friends back to the North-western shores of Middle-earth. There many already dwelt who were in whole or part of Numenorean blood; but few of them remembered the Elvish speech. All told the Dunedain were thus from the beginning far fewer in number than the lesser men among whom they dwelt and whom they ruled, being lords of long life and great power and wisdom. They used therefore the Common Speech in theur dealing with other folk and in the goverment of their wide realms; but they enlarged the language and enriched it with many words drawn from Elven-tongues.
The Dunedain of Gondor spoke the Common Speech in everyday use, but they named people and places usually in Elvish. Minas Tirith, Ithilien, Denethor, and Ecthelion.

[Nurvingiel]

*jumps in* Don't they call him that in Gondor too though? I think how many names people have is a good indication of how well-travelled they are. Frodo and Sam are an exception. Maybe you could say it's a mark of how many diverse people they encounter instead.

[cassiopeia]

Not to mention that Sam's real name was Banazîr Galbasi and Frodo's real name was Maura Labingi. Just to confuse you. :D

[Gwaimir Windgem]

I never heard about Frodo's real name! :eek:

[cassiopeia]

Check HoME 12, The Peoples of Middle Earth. Pippins real name is apparently Razanur Tûk. :)

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Well, that explains it. I haven't read any of the HoMe. :( Barely even started UT. :(

[Nurvingiel]

Are you saying that hobbits have real names they don't tell anyone, like Dwarves do?

Does anyone know what Gimli's name is? He probably wouldn't tell anyone.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Frodo Baggins, Samwise Gamgee, Bilbo Gamgee, Merry Brandybuck, Pippin Took, etc. are all the anglicizations of the actual names. These are the original Hobbitic.

[Melko Belcha]

Read Appendix F On Translation, it will not give you their names, but it talks about why he translated the Common Speech into English, and why the Rohirrim speech is written as Anglo-Saxon. So the Common Speech in ME was not actually English, only translated to it.

[Radagast The Brown]

originally posted by Melko Belcha
Sauron's Names from The Sil, The Hobbit, & LOTR.

Thauron, Gorthaur the Cruel, Sauron the Deceiver, the Lord of the Earth (Second Age), the Enemy, the Master, the Dark Power, the Dark Lord, the Lord of Mordor, the Power of the Black Land, the Black Master, the Black One, the Lord of Barad-dur, the Lord of the Dark Tower, the Shadow, the Unnamed, the Nameless, the Nameless One, the Nameless Eye, He, Him, the Black Hand, the Lord of the Rings, the Lord of the Ring, and the Ringmaker.

Attributively, the Great Eye, the Red Eye, the Eye of Barad-dur, the Lidless Eye, and the Evil Eye. And Anatar.

[Nurvingiel]

So to reiterate...

Sam is Banazîr Galbasi
Frodos is Maura Labingi
Pippin is Razanur Tûk

What is Merry's real name?

[cassiopeia]

Merry's real (untranslated) name is Kalimac Brandagamba. His and Sam's names are from the LOTR, so I suppose they are canon. Frodo's and Pippins are from the HoME, so I don't think they are canon.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

D'oh! I knew that. :(