winged Nazgul

[viggosbeard]

Are we having any Nazgul on winged steeds ? I havnt heard anything yet ?

[Amandil]

I read a review that speaks of "dragon-riding ringwraiths," so I assume so. I hope it's the reviewer's ignorance that accounts for the "dragon" element, though!

[Sween]

we are indeed and as an intresting plot point i believe we will see one of these take saurman to sauron at the end of two towers seeing as hes not dieing there.

[BeardofPants]

*twitch*

[Nunc]

Sween, surely not.

Are they going to cut the whole of the Scouring of the Shire??? Because if Saruman's taken to Mordor, then surely that's the end of him?...

I mean, it's just WRONG - if Sauron had got hold of Saruman, then wouldn't he have made him a slave, a chief lieutenant or something? It's important to the storyline that Saruman does NOT go to Mordor, I would have thought...

[Entlover]

Rumor has it that Saruman dies in some kind of attack or accident - probably caused by Wormtongue, and probably at Orthanc - leaving the field clear for Sauron to be the only villain in RotK. (plus his lieutenants - Nazgul and the Voice , plus assorted orks.)
The Scouring of the Shire has been deleted, so he can die in TT as far as plot goes.

[Nunc]

I can't believe they have deleted Scouring of the Shire... *sigh* :mad:

[Coney]

Originally posted by Sween
we are indeed and as an intresting plot point i believe we will see one of these take saurman to sauron at the end of two towers seeing as hes not dieing there.

You're winding us up again ain't ya?;)

[Khamûl]

Originally posted by Coney
You're winding us up again ain't ya?;) We can only hope.:D

[Sween]

Originally posted by Khamûl
We can only hope.:D

well seeing as chris lee and the block that plays wormtounge have both said they are in return of the king it doesnt take must sumerising that somehow they will escape gandalf. seeing as scourging of the shire isnt in there and hes hardly gonna lave them in orthanic and there would be no way of tieing the story up without scourging of the shire my guess is they will go off to mordor maybe replace the black captain?

this of course is purely guess work but you know stranger things have happened

[Nunc]

How do we know for certain that the Scouring of the Shire is not in RoTK?

[BeardofPants]

Because PJ has basically said as much, and there are no "clues" to indicate that there will be a scouring: ie, when Frodo looks into Galadriel's mirror, the shire is not indicated (as far as I can recall, anyway.)

Sween, it is entirely possible that it could be a dream sequence, or a vision of what could have happened, or something daft like that.

[Firekitten2006]

Originally posted by BeardofPants
when Frodo looks into Galadriel's mirror, the shire is not indicated (as far as I can recall, anyway.)



Yes it is! That one part with the water wheel! I remember that as being in the shire. And it didnt look all that pretty. I really want a scouring!!!!!!!!!

[Khamûl]

Originally posted by Sween
well seeing as chris lee and the block that plays wormtounge have both said they are in return of the king it doesnt take must sumerising that somehow they will escape gandalf. seeing as scourging of the shire isnt in there and hes hardly gonna lave them in orthanic and there would be no way of tieing the story up without scourging of the shire my guess is they will go off to mordor maybe replace the black captain?

this of course is purely guess work but you know stranger things have happened Ok, here's a new theory that has formed in my mind. Referencing the map that I posted a link to over in the Battle of Helm's Deep (http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=152436#post152436post152436) thread, it says that unlike the book, the film's grand finale will be the Battle of Helm's Deep. Assuming that PJ hasn't totally butchered the story, that means that Theoden and Co. haven't gone to Isengard to throw down Saruman. Which means that the confrontation might be pushed back to RotK like Shelob.

This would explain Saruman and Wormtongue being in Rotk. Of course, this is pure speculation on my part. It also depends on the fact that both of our sources are accurate, sween. But like I said, this is purely guesswork.

[TinuvielChild]

This is one of those times when I both love, adore, and idolize Peter Jackson, and loathe, despise, and revile him at the same time.

Also, the suspense is killing me! Scouring of the Shire...well, he left out Tom Bombadil, he might decide that the Scouring is equally unimportant :rolleyes:

[Nurvingiel]

Cutting out Tom Bombadil was forgivable... I guess.

Taking out the Scouring of the Shire is horrible, but at least it doesn't completely bugger up the plot.

Having Saruman go to Mordor, or be killed by a Nazgul in the middle of TTT (or something like that) would totally and utterly destroy the plot. They could have Grima kill him without having them in the Shire. Grima would just go psycho with a little less provocation.

And, about the winged Nazgul steeds... whatever they are... how is PJ going to introduce them? In the book, Legolas shot one before the battle at Amon Hen, if I remember correctly. That slipped them subtly into the plot - omitted from FOTR.

Even though this question might be appropriately asked in the book forum, were the Nazgul's winged steeds twisted Rocs from a distant land?

[Coney]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
They could have Grima kill him without having them in the Shire. Grima would just go psycho with a little less provocation.

That's very true but without the Scouring of the Shire I have a feeling that Grima is going to play a very small part in the movie.........which would be a shame as he is one of the very few normal humans who is/acts evil.

[olsonm]

According to early reviews of TTT that I have read, Khamul got it right. The ride to Isengard by Theoden and co. does not take place in TTT. It doesn't get that far.

Saruman does not go to Mordor.

[viggosbeard]

Nurvingiel - I believe the winged steeds were bred in Mordor by the dark lord - i dont think their origin is ever clarified.

[Nurvingiel]

Thanks for the clarification olsonm and viggosbeard! :):P:)

I'm not sure where I got the whole Roc thing... but wouldn't it be cool!?

If Theoden goes to Isengard in ROTK, what's TTT going to be about besides Frodo, Sam and Gollum going to Mordor and the rescue of Merry and Pippin?

And Theoden riding off to war. And Helm's deep. Okay... I'm starting to see it... ;)

[Khamûl]

Originally posted by olsonm
According to early reviews of TTT that I have read, Khamul got it right. The ride to Isengard by Theoden and co. does not take place in TTT. It doesn't get that far.

Saruman does not go to Mordor. Elementary, my dear Watson.:D