Any things you find annoying? Then post them here!

[Elf.Freak]

Does anyone think that there are any annoying things in the Lord of the Rings movie? For example, they cut Tom Babaldi out, and that Arwen replaced *Enter-the-elf's-name-that-saved-Frodo-in-the-book*.

So...if anything really annoyed you, post here *repeating, great :mad: *

[viggosbeard]

!!!!!!!;)

[Tobu, Son of Toba]

After seeing the extended version of the dvd,i find it annoying that the original didn't have all the extra character interaction, they were very small but made the characters seem more like the way Tolk intended.
Tom B being missed out also annoyed me cause he is great, but like Mr Jackson said that character would of been lost on a lot of people.

[Varda Oiolosseo]

I didn't find anything annoying about the film!!

Oh my gosh i love your Orlando Avatar!!!!!!! I had one like that but i lost it!!

[Faramir Took]

who the heck is Tom Babaldi????????

[Ms. Undomial]

Have you ever read the books Faramir took?

[Mathron]

I have a great annoyance with the Two Towers trailer.

--Spoiler follows for anyone who hasn't, for some strange reason, read the books--



Mainly, the fact that it shows Gandalf. Now, for those of us who have read the books, that isn't a problem, but I'm sure there are still plenty for whom they will, indeed, be ruining a fairly powerful moment in the series...

[BeardofPants]

Honestly, where do I start?

[Coney]

Almost every scene where Aragorn and Gimli interact with one another........Tolkiens Aragorn whould not have treat a Dwarf with such disdain.

Everytime Sam Gamgee assumed that Guppy-fish-at-feeding-time look Sam Gamgee was an innocent (in the ways of the world) not a simpleton (neither was he so shy around Rosie).

[viggosbeard]

the film is too short - i would like to have seen this tom Babaldi feller aswell ! and before anyone asks yes I have read them and im only joking about Tom.

[Miranda]

Isn't it Tom Bombadill??? I would have liked to see him too but it would have confused people as he's only in one bit and to dedicate the size of scene he needed to make sense it would have made the film a lot longer- and most just fancy seeing the film people would have got numb bums (not that a six hour LOTR would bother me but I believe us Mooters are on a different plain to the common folk!) PJ would have had to have included the Barrow wights and all the stuff that proceeds and follows Bombadil and I don't think it would have been possible to do within a decent film time length. It would have been nice to see the Barrow wights (they really scared me in the book) but c'est la vie- You can't have it all. Mx

[Draken]

Originally posted by Faramir Took
who the heck is Tom Babaldi????????

I think he runs the dockside fast food franchise at the Grey Havens. The film misses out the chapter where a lone Corsair raiding ship attacks and in defending his restaurant he is forced to let his pizzas burn in the oven. It's called the "Scouring of the Pan".

[squinteyedsoutherner]

The Two Towers are NOT Orthanc and Baradur, they are Orthanc and Minas Morgul. Tolkien said this himself in a paragraph that appeared at the conclusion of the FoTR Ballantine edition which feature his art on the covers. The art is also clearly Minas Morgul. Baradur was the illustration for the RoTK cover. Did they not know? did they not care?

Wraiths set ablaze only to appear with intact robes the next day was a little hard to swallow.

Arwen giving her strength to Frodo at the ford is in direct contrast to Tolkien's priciple theme that; great courage strength and virtue can reside in the small and ordinary. Frodo enduring the wound alone is an important element and forshadows the whole quest. What thwarts the wraiths is unexpected strength, not a highlander sword fight, or a noble elf maiden.

Arwen casting spells when Elrond is the keeper of Vilya.

Elrond lecturing Gandalf about the ring when Elrond is one of only a handful of people who know his true identity.

my favorite;

Aragorn telling Frodo to lean forward to shift the balance of what must have been 300 tons of rock.

There are so many more.......

In the end, all of the film's major mistakes are the result of unnecessary plot changes followed by screewriters who simply could not handle the source material.

[cassiopeia]

I have been knocking the film a bit lately, but let me say I do love it overall, but here's what I find annoying:

*The whole flight to the ford scene. I don't think I need to explain this. :)

*Aragorn being so weak. Especially in the extended version where he says he does not want to fulfil his destiny.

*Aragorn hitting the pillow in Lothlorien. I still do not understand his motives.

*In the extended version where Sam says something about Bilbo's trolls when Frodo is hurt. I liked the other version where they did not mention the trolls, some nice eye candy for Tolkien fans. Of course it took me several viewing to even notice the trolls. :rolleyes:

*Elrond hating men so much.

*The wizard duel. 'Nuff said there.

*Galadriel's hissy fit.

I think thats enough for now. In the TT, one thing which really annoys me is when someone (I think Aragorn) says Sauron's purpose is to rid the world of Men (or something to that effect). Umm, there are other peoples in ME arn't there? :rolleyes:

[Agburanar]

Oh, there are far too many annoying things to even begin. The film has to be the biggest annoying thing. Why do directors who interpret books for films feel the need to put their own spin on it? Take Captain Corelli's Mandolin. The book (Like LotR) is amazing, but the director chose to make it a love story and nothing else, warping the charactors completely. Why can't they stick to what's in the book and if it's too complicated for a film then DON'T MAKE THE FILM!!!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Agburanar]

Sorry if the massed :mad: unsmilies scared anyone. I got a little carried away!:D

[Millane]

iam a loyalist to the books and the movies...
i am overjoyed about the movies so i am not going to say im pi**ed off about thing but i would have hoped they would have includedthe scouring of the shire such an awesome and integral part to the story... apart from that great...

[LuthienTinuviel]

*Aragorn hitting the pillow in Lothlorien. I still do not understand his motives.

it's cause he thinks they're corny too.:D

[BeardofPants]

Originally posted by squinteyedsoutherner
The Two Towers are NOT Orthanc and Baradur, they are Orthanc and Minas Morgul. Tolkien said this himself in a paragraph that appeared at the conclusion of the FoTR Ballantine edition which feature his art on the covers.

Actually, there is some lee-way there. Although some books specify Orthanc and Morgul (which make sense), if you read Tolkien's Letters, it will quickly become apparent to you that even Tolkien wasn't sure which two towers they were referring to. Remember that "Two Towers" is an arbitrary title given due to the publishers Unwin & Allen enforcing the division of the story.

[squinteyedsoutherner]

Please post the quote from letters where Tolkien contradicts his paragraph at the end of FoTR. I have read, but no longer own, letters and don't recall that statement but would be interested in being corrected if it is there.

[Andúril]

Cassiopeia:
*Aragorn hitting the pillow in Lothlorien. I still do not understand his motives.He hits a pillow? I thought he hit Sam, or something. Granted I wasn't paying too much attention to that scene. Still, I don't think it was necessary for anyone to hit a pillow with such anger and hatred.

What annoys me? Well, the main thing is the new way the fellowship meets Celeborn and Galadriel. They seriously messed up the score cues. The theatrical version does it just right.

Another thing: every time I watch the fight scene with Aragorn and Lurtz, I foam at the mouth when Aragorn gets hit against the tree, his sword flying out of his hand. Well, I haven't foamed at the mouth yet. I foam at the mouth when I see the very next frame has Aragorn's sword in his hand.

*foam, wipe, dribble, wipe*

Another thing, could the scene where Isildur puts on the One Ring be any faker? It should be obvious to anyone that they were using rear projection special effects.

Another thing, the scene where Frodo and Aragorn plummet toward the rest of the fellowship on that rock in Khazad-dum. Jarring.

And why did they have to botch the Galadriel ....."thing"? Why why why plus why?

And the wings on the balrog, how annoying are those? Jeebus Cripes!

And why did they have to cast such a blatant batty-boy for Legolas?

And why does the R2 PAL set have player-generated subtitles? And why does PowerDVD have such a crappy subtitle font?

Aragorn's singing annoys me. Deeply.

And why does Aragorn have to be such a wimp? Boromir gets hit by the cave troll to the other side of the room, and he shakes his head. Aragorn gets hit over a smaller distance and he ends up dreaming about Luthien.

It annoys me to a large extent that Glorfindel did not make an appearance, dammit.

I can't think of anything else to be annoyed at -- how annoying!

[Firekitten2006]

I really am not too annoyed with the movies at all.

My BIGGEST pet peeve is that people are confused about the scene with Aragorn "hitting a pillow" He is hitting Gimli because he is snoring during Sam's singing a song about Gandalf.

I am also annoyed that people dont understand that one scene with the Lembas. I believe it is Pippen, but they BURP that is why they cover their mouths. Remember how Pippen is clearly very frightened at the thought he wont get all of the meals? (on their way to weathertop) This I guess is a little bit of a joke, maybe aimed at the younger people watching. I thought it was pretty funny considering how important food is to hobbits.

And just a couple things that are annoying about the movie

Gandalf and Elrond dont do the whole water horses thing when Arwen is taking Frodo to Rivendell. UGH!

They dont explain that it is also Frodo's birthday

They dont have the Sackville Baggins take care of Bags End when Frodo leaves for Bree.

And probably the most annoying thing is Merry line when they are being chased by the Nazgul just before they get to Buckleberry Ferry, when he says something like "Those black riders were looking for something, or someone, Frodo?" It seems like he knows something, or way more than Frodo. Really really annoys me everytime that part comes on.

[The Lady of Ithilien]

This is my first and only foray into this forum, as I'm a 'book' person all the way and am eternally grateful to the Lords of the Entmoot for their wisdom in separating the two, movie and book.

However, this morning I stumbled across news that Apple was hosting the Two Towers trailer and checked in here to see if the Mooters knew about it: it seems they do, which is not surprising.

I decided to watch it, as I hadn't gone to the first movie (read about its progress online a few years ago and knew it wouldn't make me happy; that sense has been confirmed by hearing others talk about it since, especially many of those who praise it). Well, I have Quicktime, but with a 56K connection, it took forever to load, and maybe wouldn't have played at all, though I did get one quick shot of background music. However, I was given an image of two of the film's hobbits, presumably Sam and Frodo, as I waited. I won't go into the thoughts it inspired, as this is a forum for people who love the film. Respect and good wishes to those whom it delights.

Suffice to say I ended the download before it was complete after realizing that the hilarious argument between Wilhelm and Serlo on how to edit "Hamlet" for a modern audience, in Goethe's "Wilhelm Meister's Apprenticeship," was replaying in my mind.

“It is not chaff and wheat together,” said he: “It is a trunk with boughs, twigs, leaves, buds, blossoms and fruit. Is not the one there with the others, and by means of them?” To which Serlo would reply, that people did not bring a whole tree upon the table; that the artist was required to present his guests with silver apples in platters of silver. . . ."
Book V, Chapter IV, at http://www.bartleby.com/314/504.html

[Eglantine Banks]

In the EE of FOTR when the Fellowship are approaching Moria, and Gimli says something about a certain Dwarf secret being lost even to the Dwarves, and Legolas says the following howler:

"Why am I not surprised?"

What's this? The script writers had a bad day and couldn't think of anything elegant for Legolas to say, so they had him use a weak contemporary cliche? Why didn't he just say:

"D'oh, why am I not surprised, dude?"

(Btw, mostly I love the movie but I find it fun to pick it apart like this.)

-Eglantine

[Lizra]

ummm, I think Galadriel and Frodo "talk funny" at her mirror. Frodo's "What will I see" and Galadriel's answer, "Even the bravest...." (I can't remember what she says!) are in this funny sing-song voice. I also get annoyed cause she is going for the ring, reaching for it, then trips out totally. When she comes down, she says she passes the test. What test! She got so whacky, I can't tell what she would have done. Who can take a ring when they're growing 5 feet and turning purple green and pewter! It's nothing really! :) :D

[Blackboar]

I know what you mean. Frodo sounds really weird there.

I dont have any annoying bits. I love the film I wish they had
Tom Bombadil in it though

[Renille]

THE PILLOWS IN LOTHLORIEN!! I seriously do feel like sending them decent ones! I hate those things, they are such an eyesore. EEEE. Okay. On to next nitpick...

The way Frodo and Gandalf stand suppressing laughter with each other in the beginning is annoying. It seems like they're not letting us in on a personal joke or something.

Frodo's purple-shot eyes... it looks so entirely fake.

Boromir wins the cheesy WI prize! "It's not a mine...it's a tomb!" Honestly

Dirty hands in perfectly fine places! (Like the Shire.)

As you can tell, I dug very deep in my memory to find these. I loved the movie...seriously, I just had to get those out in the open. Because they are annoying to my small brain.:D

[squinteyedsoutherner]

"what's this a ranger caught off his guard"

"so you have chosen the way of ..................PAIN"

"let's hunt some orc"

"I do not want that power, I have never wanted it"

"if you want him, come and claim him"

'GANDALF THE RING CAN'T STAY HERE!"

"the..enemy........knows....you..have .......entered........here"

"Frodo, lean forward!"

"this is one dwarf she won't ensnare so easily.....................oh!!"

The Lord Of The Rings is poetry from beginning to end, this kind of writing belongs in Terminator.

[Lizra]

I still have pain when Saruman say "The way of pain"! :eek:

[BeardofPants]

Originally posted by squinteyedsoutherner
Please post the quote from letters where Tolkien contradicts his paragraph at the end of FoTR. I have read, but no longer own, letters and don't recall that statement but would be interested in being corrected if it is there.

"The Two Towers gets as near as possible to finding a title to cover the widely divergent Books 3 & 4; and can be left ambiguous - it might refer to Isengard and Barad-dur, or to Minas Tirith and B; or Isengard and Cirith Ungol (1)." [Letter #140]

And in the footnote to the above (1):

"In a subsequent letter to Ranyer Unwin (#143), Tolkien is more definite that the Two Towers are 'Orthanc and the Tower of Cirith Ungol'. On the other hand, in his original design for the jacket of The Two Towers (see #151) the Towers are certainly Orthanc and Minas Morgul. Orthanc is shown as a black tower, three-horned (as seen in Pictures no. 27), and with the sign of the White Hand beside it; Minas Morgul is a white tower, with a thin waning moon above it, in reference to its original name, Minas Ithil, the Tower of the Rising Moon (FotR p. 257). Between the two towers a Nazgul flies."

"I am not at all happy about the title 'the Two Towers'. It must if there is any real reference in it to Vol II refer to Orthanc and the Tower of Cirith Ungol. But since there is so much made of the basic opposition of the Dark Tower and Minas Tirith, that seems very misleading." [Letter #143]

[Eruviel Greenleaf]

you know what really bugs me? (...awaits eager replies of 'tell us! tell us! we want to know! :rolleyes: )

. . .is that people are STILL nit-picking endlessly about the movies. okay, okay, half of this stuff we've heard a million times, the other half are barely significant. don't get me wrong, i think we're all entitled to a bit of nit-picking, and really i don't have to read this thread in fact i could pretend it doesn't exist, but since this is an annoying things thread, i shall state my annoyances. why can't we just appreciate that there is a movie at all and deal with the minor (or not so minor) problems it might have?

...and now i'm going to invalidate my previous statement/question by saying that a. there are many things that bother me about the movie and b. that i've done my share of complaining.

so what i really mean is, well, it's rather silly to complain so much at this point but i guess it's alright. um. *sighs hopelessly* why do i even bother? i contradict myself too much. ..

[Lizra]

Anyone who tries to be perfect will be nitpicked to death! :D It's Ok, EG....loosen up, Now...complain! see...that was easy! :)

[squinteyedsoutherner]

Thanks for posting the quotes, that is definitely less clear than I remembered.

[Firekitten2006]

Originally posted by squinteyedsoutherner
"so you have chosen the way of ..................PAIN"


I thought it was death not pain.


"Frodo, lean forward!"



I dont remember this! When was it said and who said it?????? I WANNA KNOW!!!! lol

[Elf.Freak]

Origionally posted by Firekitten2006

Frodo, lean forward! I dont remember this! When was it said and who said it?????? I WANNA KNOW!!!! lol

This is said by Aragorn to Frodo when they are on the bridge in Moria, that help? :)

[Lizra]

I thought it was death too. Either way, it's DUMB!

[Firekitten2006]

DUH! *smacks herself in the forhead* completely forgot about that!

[Eruviel Greenleaf]

must...not...complain...

*gives up*


ARGH i think the thing that annoyed me most was the 'wizard's duel.' yeah. hated that. next up galadriel. why couldn't they have kept the nenya thing in the normal release at least? it was bad enough that galadriel went crazy but they could have at least kept that what 3 second line about nenya!

oh and i thought the SE DVD would at least have the scene that i saw pictures from with the elves in lothlorien killing the orcs or something like, but no they didn't even have that! not too big of a deal but still...

okay and here for something that's even annoying about the books but the movie also: potatoes. might i point out that potatoes are a new world plant? if middle earth is supposed to be a sort of pre-history europe, which i believe it to be, then they would NOT have potatoes!!! i'm sorry i always think of middle earth as that and it drives me absolutely crazy when there's potatoes. and worse, tomatoes. all new world.

thank you.

[squinteyedsoutherner]

Saruman actually says "so you have elected the way of ...PAIN" right before Gandalf gets lifted up the tower.
"Lean forward" is from the collapsing staircase scene.

[Lizra]

I was thinking of Saruman's bad line when he's talking to his Moria book! I skip the wizard duel usually, and had forgotten "The way of pain" there. I bet he does something that makes me cackle in TTT!

[Millane]

DON'T MAKE THE FILM!!!!!
DON'T WATCH THE FILM!!!!!... honestly did that thought ever enter your brain... all people seem to do round here is sook sook sook... the movie is crap blah blah blah... anyway that is that.
well as everyone also sooks about how arwen is in it too much i will talk about her...

is she at helms deep coz i read The Womans Weekly (a large sacrifice on my behalf that just proved my undying devotion to Lord) coz i heard there was a thing about the TT in there and it says how Eowyn took up sword training with Arwen... now i know eowyn fights but where the hell does arwen... and one more while were on arwen i heard awhile back that she was singing for the soundtrack is this true or just unfounded rumour...

p.s. viggosbeard love the little rasta fella.;)

[azalea]

Originally posted by Eruviel Greenleaf




okay and here for something that's even annoying about the books but the movie also: potatoes. might i point out that potatoes are a new world plant? if middle earth is supposed to be a sort of pre-history europe, which i believe it to be, then they would NOT have potatoes!!! i'm sorry i always think of middle earth as that and it drives me absolutely crazy when there's potatoes. and worse, tomatoes. all new world.

thank you.

They mention that on the director's commentary, about how there was arguing about including that or something.

[BeardofPants]

Originally posted by Eruviel Greenleaf
okay and here for something that's even annoying about the books but the movie also: potatoes. might i point out that potatoes are a new world plant? if middle earth is supposed to be a sort of pre-history europe, which i believe it to be, then they would NOT have potatoes!!! i'm sorry i always think of middle earth as that and it drives me absolutely crazy when there's potatoes. and worse, tomatoes. all new world.



Well, while we're being picky, the technology of middle earth is a wee bit too advanced to place it as far back as pre-historic europe. And there *is* that small matter of the rings of power. :rolleyes:

Anyway, who's not to say that the potatoes didn't come from Numeanore or the Undying Lands? :p

[Eruviel Greenleaf]

Originally posted by BeardofPants
Well, while we're being picky, the technology of middle earth is a wee bit too advanced to place it as far back as pre-historic europe. And there *is* that small matter of the rings of power. :rolleyes:

Anyway, who's not to say that the potatoes didn't come from Numeanore or the Undying Lands? :p

yes, some of it is too advanced. i think someone was drinking coffee in the Hobbit :eek:

maybe the Undying Lands came back into the circles of the world and became North America :rolleyes: :)

[Elvellon]

The most annoying thing? The first scenes with Arwen (up to and including the ford). PJ fumbled them big. Enough said.:rolleyes:

[AudrentheRanger]

romantic parts futuring...ta-da... Aragorn and Arwen. How disgustingly beautiful! Ewww.

[Gerbil]

Originally posted by BeardofPants
Well, while we're being picky, the technology of middle earth is a wee bit too advanced to place it as far back as pre-historic europe. And there *is* that small matter of the rings of power. :rolleyes: Yes, it's all magic - knowledge now lost, and hence as a result, a step back in our past development.
Also, let's not forget that (although Tolkien obviously implies it) the setup at the start of the fourth age is not necessarily directly related technologically to our day and age.

I seem to recall reading somewhere that if the Incas / Mayans (cant remember which, but South American) had not died out, we'd have reached the moon maybe a thousand years ago - they were way more advanced than anyone else at the time, but the silly sods somehow managed to die out.

So perhaps, not that advanced, or backward in a very specific, death-dealing kinda way :D

[Nunc]

*Aragorn hitting the pillow in Lothlorien. I still do not understand his motives.


Aragorn hits the pillow, because Gimli is already asleep and happens to snore loudly when Sam is reciting the excerpt from the poem he and Frodo composed in Lothlorien... "The finest fireworks ever seen" etc etc.

At least that's my understanding of it.

Those pillows are totally foul; like some banal design from a 4th rate 1950s guest house... :rolleyes:

[Laurelyn]

I hate the stupid mushy scene in Rivendell w/ Aragorn & Arwen on that bridge. I mean, how stupid can it get? A love scene in Elvish with subtitles?
*laughs hysterically*

[Gerbil]

Originally posted by Laurelyn
I hate the stupid mushy scene in Rivendell w/ Aragorn & Arwen on that bridge. I mean, how stupid can it get? A love scene in Elvish with subtitles?
*laughs hysterically* You think that's bad? Try watching the film in another language wher ethey haven't bothered to remove the enlish subtitles.

Result?

Subtitles of subtitles of elvish.

[AudrentheRanger]

It really is disgusting. Mushy. Ewww.

[starofelendil]

crap i agree with you! And how the freak does Gandalf get his staff back? Can someone answer that for me please!


And Arwen... How did she get so important all of a sudden....I never read in the books "if you want him come and claim him"! My word of corse they want him and of corse there are going to at least try to "come claim him"....


Has anyone care to notice the way Gimli says "stay close young hobbits" (in lothlorien)


THE CHICKEN DANCE!!!! I always have to rewind it.... it cracks me up!


In the Extended Edition ( i dont know if its in the reg, version ....ive never seen it) On the cast comentaries, on the very begining of the second movie Elijah Wood goes

BRBRBRBBR!!!!

HAHAHAHAHA! Also i rewound that 100x....gosh you gotta listen to it!



Yall just need to get over Tom Bombadil....hes a good book character...but it want Neccessary, i mean lets be reasonible people!

[Gerbil]

Heh, not quite ;)

Nothing hilighted Liv's efforts better than playing opposite Viggo.
She had problems learning the Elvish lines and had to take them a sentence at a time. Viggo asked PJ to put more elvish dialog in.
Was it because he loved the sound of it and is a classical, classy actor? Or was he simply poking fun at Liv's inadequacies? ;)

[Big_G]

Does any one else find Aragorns "You cannot Weild it" speach in Rivendell one of the funniest things in the film? It really does sound like his voice hasn't broke yet......

[Elf.Freak]

my turn to complain again!:D

I saw the theatrical trailer for TTT and there's this bit where Arwen yabbers on to Elrond etc. why don't they speak in elvish? if Aragorn does to legolas at the council, why can't Elrond talk to Arwen in elvish?:confused: :confused: :confused:

*hates repeating self* Frustrating!:mad:

[Agburanar]

In TTT trailer there are 'orcs' (and I use the word as broadly as possible) riding on lions, or at least cream-coloured wolves. Where the smeg are the great black Wargs?

[Big_G]

I stasis for smuggling cats?

[Nurvingiel]

Welcome Big G! :P Lots of new people lately... okay 2.

I agree that all the previous scenes are dumb. Except, I didn't notice the benign Lothlorien pillows.

I actually don't have a lot of complaints about the movie, barring annoyances that will happen in any book to movie transformation. Apparently PJ wanted to make six movies origionally, and I would have preferred this greater depth.

If the Scouring of the Shire is truly removed, I'm gonna rage! :mad: But as this isn't 100% sure, no major complaints yet...

#1 Annoyance: I'm unhappy that each character was one-dimensional in the movie.

[Gerbil]

Apparently PJ wanted to make six movies origionally, and I would have preferred this greater depth.Sadly you are wrong, or at least, he originally pitched for just ONE movie - it was New Line who said 'go make 3'. I'm sure he'd have preffered to have enough money to make it real-time set over months ;)
If the Scouring of the Shire is truly removed, I'm gonna rage! :mad: But as this isn't 100% sure, no major complaints yet... As far as I'm aware, PJ himself has said the scouring is out. I thought this was an established fact?

[Entish]

I was extremely dismayed to NOT see in the extended version of FOTR all of Galadriel's gifts to the fellowship upon their departure from Lothlorien, particularly that of Sam getting the mallorn seed and soil in the little box. he got some rope? Like Lothlorien was a hardware store....

And what about the Elftone... did I glimpse it on his cloak???? It was supposed to be the beginning of his trnsformation towards kingship and away from renegade ranger status.
Oh well... still love the movie and enjoy the magic of it all

[Nunc]

I suspect the necklace Arwen gives him is the "Elfstone" in the movie... :rolleyes: That's why Galadriel says something like, "I can't give you a greater gift than this," and touches it.

[Agburanar]

As far as I'm aware, PJ himself has said the scouring is out. I thought this was an established fact?

True unfortunatley. Saruman dies at Isengard.

Stupid director, thinking he knows what's what. Why can't film-makers accept that what gets into a finished novel is all important. You can't much without losing something substantial and you can't cut anything without losing something.

[Gerbil]

True unfortunatley. Saruman dies at Isengard.Yup. The more I think about it, the more PJ's method of death, however it runs, will be a poor shadow of a mockery of Tolkien's. Saruman's eventual death is one of the greatest comeuppences in literature. Not to mention deeply satisfying.
Stupid director, thinking he knows what's what. Why can't film-makers accept that what gets into a finished novel is all important. You can't much without losing something substantial and you can't cut anything without losing something. As your sig file says, the only way to ensure a film is not a butchering is to never make the film. Sadly that was never going to be an option. I'm glad PJ has done it and at least got the scenery right, as well as a few key scenes.
Still plenty of room for another version in the future though, although of course you'll then get the stupid situation where people would watch a more book-faithful version and cry out:

'That's not how it happened! In the film....'

etc. It's enough to make you cry :D

[AudrentheRanger]

Another thing. Whenever frodo is hurt, he always makes these weird noises I doubt anyone who is hurt would make.
*I still like the movie*

[Entish]

I always thought the whitish necklace was an emblem of her immortality, which she was giving up for Aragorn - not the Elfstone, which is large and green. Oh well..

I think that there is a flash of green at Aragorn's neck that might have been this stone...


Also... I hope they don't axe the restoration of the White Tree to Gondor from the ROTF... that would make the films decidedly anti-botanical....

[Gerbil]

Actually even Tolkien made a few mistakes with the Elfstone.
Or rather, with both Elfstones.

Mainly in that he gave the lesser one to Sam at the end, which has been pointed out would be far too great, (and also inappropriate) for Sam.

No actual Elfstone - note how people refer to him as Estel as his 'elvish' name - mucho 'puns' on the word hope etc in the trailers.

So I'd reckon the elfstones are out, or shifted to this weird-ass thing of Arwen's, which kind of implies the way to kill elves is to run around stealing their jewelry. Now I understand what the Dwarves were up to in Thingol's halls when they nabbed the nauglamir :)

I think the real reason Aragorn said what he did 'You cannot give me this!' is because it's girl's jewelry and no-one would take him seriously if he wore it (which I think was part of Arwen's ploy - make him look unmacho so no-one else would fancy him) ;)

[Entlover]

Honest, Gerbil, I'm not following you around! You're in all the posts.






Originally posted by AudrentheRanger
Another thing. Whenever frodo is hurt, he always makes these weird noises I doubt anyone who is hurt would make.



I don't recall any weird noises. I've taken care of severely wounded people, and one does make groans, etc. when it hurts. Strange but true.

[Nurvingiel]

I found the wierd noises irritating too! Example, flight to the ford... Frodo's having some kind of asthma attack instead of defying the Nazguls (by himself.)

[Cirdan]

OK. I've just watched "Return to Middle Earth" so I'm ready to pre-release complaints about TTT. Aragorn fell in a river and almost drownded... WHY?

[BeardofPants]

He did? Ooh, I love it already.

[Nurvingiel]

What's "Return to Middle-earth" ? ;)

[Cirdan]

It was a 1 hour "making of" for the TT. Some more sneak previews a a lot of on the set footage. They showed the building of Edoras. At one point Sam steps on a piece of glass while wading out to Frodo. It punctures his foot. There was a good bit about comraderie and some about the trials of filming (they are forced to melt a new fall of snow to finish filming a scene with Gollum cathing a fish).

Pretty interesting all around. I'll just need to get better at disassociating the book and the movie.

[Nurvingiel]

You were clear Cirdan, I just thought you said you "read" it, for some reason. Thanks for the further clarification! :)

[Elf.Freak]

I've found another annoying thing!

when Gandalf arrives in the Shire and tells Frodo about 'Bilbo's incident with the dragon' he says:"If you're refering to the incedent with the dragon, i was barely involved. All i did was, give your uncle a little push out the door." i mean, i always thought that Bilbo was Frodo's cousin! Anyone agree?

[-elfearz-]

"feels jipped coz here in australia they squished return to middle earth into a half hr slot at 11pm* :mad:

[Lollypopgurl]

I will not list all my complaints because if I had done so, the site would have been disfunctioning because of the overload of data.:D

[BeardofPants]

Originally posted by -elfearz-
"feels jipped coz here in australia they squished return to middle earth into a half hr slot at 11pm* :mad:

Well, NEW ZEALAND didn't get it. (Or maybe we did. Pretty sure we didnt' though. Maybe. :D)

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Anduril
And the wings on the balrog, how annoying are those? Jeebus Cripes!

^^^^

When people talk about that, that I find most annoying. Don't worry I won't start another Balrog & wings thing, that is unless you want me to :D

/me grins evilly :p

[Millane]

"feels jipped coz here in australia they squished return to middle earth into a half hr slot at 11pm*
and the stuff they decided to show was ****, damn legolas legolas legolas mmm who should we interview mmm LEGOLAS!!! ohhh how bout we show a picture of legolas patting gandalfs stomach for no apparent reason how bout legolas explains the Kingdom of Rohan and there refuges???????????????
Sadly you are wrong, or at least, he originally pitched for just ONE movie
ahhh sadly you are wrong, miramax who first was doing the film said ONE Pj said 2 and New Line said 3

[legolasluvr2931]

Glorfindil
I think i spelled it right. i liked him. i like all elves tho, so pay me no heed. i didnt mean that literally. anyway. i liked tom bombadil and goldberry and old man willow i think he was in those books, hard to tell when u read as much as i do
I hated that they made Faramir look so mean and that they killed Haldir. Oh well.

[Lady of Rohan]

First I'd like to say that I loved the movie and that I thought it was great. There was one thing that really bugged me though. How come Galadriel didn't give anything to Boromir when she gave something to everyone else? that was pretty much all though.

[Eruviel Greenleaf]

Originally posted by Lady of Rohan
First I'd like to say that I loved the movie and that I thought it was great. There was one thing that really bugged me though. How come Galadriel didn't give anything to Boromir when she gave something to everyone else? that was pretty much all though.

Took me a while to notice that, but yes, that was odd, that he didn't get a gift, or at least they didn't show him getting one.

I liked how they did something to make it look like there were stars in Galadriel's eyes, but it didn't work too well 'cause they were all concentrated in one area. Clever idea, just wish it had been better. Now talk about nit-picky, that was insane, neh? Oh well. *sigh* And that one shot, I think it's when Frodo + Co. is just coming into Lothlorien, or maybe it's after they've spoken to Galadriel and Celeborn, they have this shot, a close-up of Galadriel's eyes opening--oh, yeah, when she says 'one who has seen the eye.' I can't stand that shot. It really bugs me for some reason. They could have either zoomed in more so it was just her eyes, or not done it at all. . .argh, something, neh?

But of course, what really bugs me. . .I wish I had a budget like that for my films. Alas.

[Nurvingiel]

In the book, she gives him a really pretty belt. In the movie, only Frodo's gift is shown.

[Eruviel Greenleaf]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
In the book, she gives him a really pretty belt. In the movie, only Frodo's gift is shown.

Everyone but Boromir gets a gift in the extended edition.

[Nurvingiel]

Originally posted by Eruviel Greenleaf
Now talk about nit-picky, that was insane, neh? Oh well. *sigh*

...

But of course, what really bugs me. . .I wish I had a budget like that for my films. Alas.

What the world needs is film directors with an artistic eye for detail like you. Where were you when Peter Jackson got the job? (Even though he did a decent job of things...)

[Celebréiel]

Originally posted by Eruviel Greenleaf

I liked how they did something to make it look like there were stars in Galadriel's eyes, but it didn't work too well 'cause they were all concentrated in one area. Clever idea, just wish it had been better.
*nods alot* ouch, yeah. I think in the making of thing on the extended edition junks, they said they used Christmas lights? :rolleyes: To give Galadriel that 'starry eyed' look.
~Celebréiel

[Agburanar]

Ouch! Imagine having fairy lights implanted in your eyes...

[Eruviel Greenleaf]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
What the world needs is film directors with an artistic eye for detail like you. Where were you when Peter Jackson got the job? (Even though he did a decent job of things...)

:D :D :D
Still in high school :)

I had noticed the stars in her eyes before, but I hadn't really thought about it until I had seen the special features where they explained how they did it, actually :o

Fairy lights! Fun! Want in my eyes! Maybe all the silver junk I accidentaly got on my contacts will work. .. :)