Two towers sex scean?????

[Sween]

The two towers has just recived the cirtificate in england of 12a and the censors claim it has a sex scean? Legolas and gimli perhaps?

[Elfhelm]

Maybe some graphic images from Eowyn's imagination? I doubt we'll see any nipplage from Liv. It's spelled "scene" by the way. And I thought JL wrote "yellow MELON custard".

[Andúril]

I knew Merry shouldn't have trusted Pippin alone with Treebeard!!

[Sween]

Originally posted by Anduril
I knew Merry shouldn't have trusted Pippin alone with Treebeard!!

*bad joke warning* i knew that ent had wood in his trousers

[Sminty_Smeagol]

Hmm I read somewhere "Aragorn has a 'dream' about Arwen" or something along those lines. I'm quite positive it is Aragorn/Arwen, given, since it's hollywood, they would suggestive any sex scenes in the film, which they sort of did in the trailer that came out oct 1

[BeardofPants]

Nah, Peter doesn't even know how to do a sex scene. :D

[Miranda]

Aragorn and Arwen? Nah- public opinion in London- Aragorn and LEGOLAS!!!!!!!! The way those two look at eachother- only kidding- my friends sick sexual fantasy the second she saw them she turned to me a whispered- well I won't repeat but it was about the heavy breathing after the watcher in the water attacks at Moria. I nearly screamed- NOOOOOOOOOO!!! Not Aragorn, Legolas maybe but not Aragorn! I hope its sweet though and not with Eowyn- Aragorn couldn't betray Arwen could he? Mx PS I love Legolas so it'd better not involve him- my heart will break into a thousand pieces. Orlando, Orlando!!!!-mad girlish moment- swoon!

[Dunadan]

Pippin with Grishnakh, Treebeard trussed up in the background, Gandalf and the balrog at the bottom of the Endless Stair.

[Miranda]

Dunadan huney you're sick- a hobbit with an orc is just going too far:D What about Frodo and Sam? Anyone considered those two running away together into Mordor- hmm? Mx

[durin's bane]

There won't be a sex scene. Otherwise there'd be an an adult only rating and you can't do that. Afterall, kids read the books too.

[bropous]

...AND, Ladies and Gentlemen, children also visit the Moot.

Hope we can all remember that. It's a fine line......

[gdl96]

Yes, bropus, and let's not cross it.

[bropous]

eyeballing "the line".....

I ain't going over there. ;) Safer over here.

[cassiopeia]

Hmm, this reminds of the thread where Tater said there would be a sex scene between Arwen and Aragorn. :D I guess the only people who could be involved are Arwen and Aragorn (I won't even mention Frodo and Sam ;) ). Or maybe Eowyn gets her way with Aragorn (lucky gal). I can't really see how they could fit it in. Aragorn: Err, sorry guys, can't fight the orcs anymore, Arwen just arrived at Helms Deep. :rolleyes:

Miranda: Perhaps your friend should read some Legolas/Aragorn slash fan fiction. Some of it is quite disturbing.

[crickhollow]

From TORn: No More Sex In TTT!
Xoanon @ 9:18 am EST


Not that there ever was any in the first place...check this out from Fergus: I recieved this update from Odeon concerning TTT - it seems the sexual content was a mistake! The fil has been confirmed as a 12A which means there may be more violence than FOTR.

1) The actual release date for The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers is December 18th and NOT December 13th as reported.

2) The certificate for The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers is confirmed as 12A. However, the correct certificate addendum is in fact, "contains intense combat and fantasy horror scenes". It is NOT, "contains moderate action, violence and one sex scene" which was attached by mistake. This is in fact the correct certificate addendum for James Bond: Die Another Day.
All a misunderstanding, apparently :D

[Amandil]

Oh.

Darn, I wanted to make a witty comment about how Orlando Bloom looks like a girl... (sorry, Miranda)

[Miranda]

What can I say? I love a guy with a feminine side. Hey he may look like a girl in LOTR but whoa have you seen him in everything else!!! MIAOW!!! That man's so insanely gorgeous its untrue- I especially love his one line appearance in Wilde. As for the mistake in the ratings I thought it would be a 12A just looking at the pictures (Hey I'm still having nightmares about Ringwraiths!) but I'm actually glad there's no sex scene. Arwen and Aragorn's relationship has a sort of innocence about it that a scene like that would just destroy. Mx

[Wayfarer]

Hmm...

What do you think arwen and aragorn went up into the tower for after their wedding?

What were eowyn and farimir doing in the houses of healing?

What does frodo think sam has waited long enough to do with rosy? And where exactly does little elanor come from?

There's plenty of sex in the books... it's just understated, not explicit. And if PJ could manage to reproduce that, I say go for it.

[samwise of the shire]

Oh shat...first it was Arwen at Helms Deep and now it's THIS! One of the things that I like about LOTR is that it's a refuge from todays tolerance towards sex outside of marriage. It makes the marriages of Eowyn+Faramir, Aragorn+ Arwen and Sam+ Rose sweeter and more poignant because they're innocent.
If a sex scene is added in TTT then it will take away the innocence of LOTR and RUIN it's refuge and security...at least for the movies...it'll ruin the whole thing...I mean Aragorn and Arwen messing around before they get married? That is not kingly or elven princessly at all... :(
A sincerely upset
Sam

[olsonm]

Samwise don't worry. It was a mistake. The sex scene rating was for the new James Bond movie. They accidentally put it with TTT. :D

[BeardofPants]

A very good point Sam, and I'm glad you had the presence of mind to point it out, cos it saves me an irate post. ;) Why WOULD Aragorn and Arwen et al feel the need to fool around? They've been patient enough to get this far. Besides, I can't see Tolkien trying to insert premarital sex into his works.

[olsonm]

It is a good point. Fortunately it is a moot one. (no pun intended!:D )

[cassiopeia]

Well, I don't really blame Arwen, how could she resist? ;) :D Really, though, I would be very very surprised if there was any sexual connotation in the next two movies. I trust Peter Jackson and I feel that he has gotten the feeling of the first movie correct. Still, it doesn't stop me going through the books, looking for a scene with Aragorn with his shirt off. :D

[Amandil]

Okay, Miranda, Mr. Bloom didn't look that bad in Blackhawk Down... :)

[bropous]

Agreed wholeheartedly that the inclusion of any premarital sex in the films would fly directly into the face of Ronald's own beliefs.

Fortunately, it is all a red herring.

[Firekitten2006]

I think if there was ANY premarital sex in these movies Tolkein would be turning in his grave. Remember, he was a Catholic, and I believe I read somewhere that he was pretty religious.

[Entlover]

Okay,
but what is the "fantasy horror scene" referring to?
Any guesses?

[scott100]

Does that mean we can all breathe normally again?

[scott100]

"Agreed wholeheartedly that the inclusion of any premarital sex in the films would fly directly into the face of Ronald's own beliefs."


Come on, who are you kidding. Tolks went to Oxford University remember.:rolleyes:

[Heather Wooltoes]

Am I the the only one who wonders about Elvish sexual practices? Think about it.....Arwen almost 3000 years old...STILL a virgin??...ouch... Elrond separated from his wife for so long....might explain why he came off so frustrated in the film....

OK Im gonna stop thinking now......

Elvish age for menopause?

Ok REALLY stop thinking now....
about the questions (though legit.) that would be inappropriate for this site.

[Shadowfax]

Originally posted by Entlover
Okay,
but what is the "fantasy horror scene" referring to?
Any guesses? Yeah, I'm not sure either. Probably it has to do with all them ugly orcs and such, though.

[scott100]

No, it's because there's very little distinction between male and female. Mind you after 3000 years...

[scott100]

3000 years and still a virgin? Easy to see why she chose to become mortal.

[jerseydevil]

Sween - I guess you missed this thread I had posted a long time ago - Arwen and Aragorn scene (http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4580). cassiopeia - that was me, not Tater. Tater just explained what the scene was about. i didn't want to give a lot of details at the time. He does though. I had posted this back in May.

[BeardofPants]

You hoping more people will fall for that, JD? :p

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by BeardofPants
You hoping more people will fall for that, JD? :p

It's the truth. Just because you don't believe it. Haven't you seen the kissing scene in the new TT trailer? They even show Treebeard picking up Merry and Pippin and Gandaldf fighting the Balrog (not that has to do with Aragorn/Arwen sex scene).

[samwise of the shire]

Well there's another thing that's cool about LOTR...in other peices of literature where there's mention of someone having a baby or even a scene you can say "Oh yep I can see that". With LOTR scenes dont appear and so you're spared seeing stuff in your own mind.
I'm honest I cannot see Galadriel and Celeborn...ahem nuff said Sam;you're beginning to blush.
Cheers,
Sam
ps. Ummmm interesting http://www.colleenmeade.com/lordoftherings/01oct02trailer/index2.htm#top
They may have gotten TTT mixed up with James Bond OR maybe not...middle of the page. middle picture...yeah.

[Khadrane]

I was getting scared for a second!

[Wayfarer]

With LOTR scenes dont appear and so you're spared seeing stuff in your own mind.
*Ahem* Let me read you a few passages from the HOME, volume #3. Perhaps you shall reconsider that staement.
and out he danced, unheeding, fleet
enamoured, on enchanted feet,
he sped towards the hillock green,
the lissom limbs, the danching sheen,
he leapt upon the grassy hill,
his arms with lovliness to fill,
his arms were empty, and she fled
away, away her white feet sped
but as she went he swiftly came,
and called her with the tender name
of nightengales in elvish tongue,
that all the woods now sudden rung,
Tinuviel!, Tinuviel!
and clear his voice was as a bell
it's echoes wove a binding spell

Tinuviel!, Tinuviel!, his voice such love and longing filled,
one moment stood she, fear was stilled,
one moment only, like a flame
he leapt towards her as she stayed
and caught, and kissed that elven maid.

And love there woke in sweet surprise
the starlight tremble din her eyes,
A! Luthien! Ah! Luthien!
more fair than any child of men;
O! lovliest maid of elfinesse
what madness does thee now posess!
A! Lissom limbs and shadowy hair
and chaplet of white showdrops there;
O! starry diadem and white
pale hands beneath the pale moonlight!
she left his arms and slipped away,
just at the breaking of the day.
(The Lay of Leithan)
;)
He lay upon the leafy mould,
his face upon earth's bosem cold,
aswoon in overwhelming bliss,
enchanted of an elvish kiss
(The Lay of Leithan)
:D
Thus luthien, whom no pursuit,
no snare, no dart that hunters shoot,
might hope to win and hold, she came
at the sweet calling of her name;
and thus in his her slender hand,
was linked in far beleriand;
in hour enchanted long ago,
her arms about his neck did go,
and gently down she drew to rest,
his weary head upon her breast
(The Lay of Leithan)
:o
Thus flitting fast thier short hour flies
while daeron watches with fiery eyes,
haunting the gloom of tangled trees,
all day, until at night he sees
in the fickel moon their moving feet,
two lovers linked in dancing sweet,
two shadows shimmering on the green,
where lonely-dancing maid had been
(The Lay of Leithan)
:eek:

[Amandil]

"Agreed wholeheartedly that the inclusion of any premarital sex in the films would fly directly into the face of Ronald's own beliefs."

Come on, who are you kidding. Tolks went to Oxford University remember.

What does teaching at (or "going to") Oxford have to do with one's own beliefs about premarital sex?

[Sween]

Originally posted by Amandil
What does teaching at (or "going to") Oxford have to do with one's own beliefs about premarital sex?

Just means that he would only aparove of all the boys on tour lovin :D

[bropous]

"Come on, who are you kidding. Tolks went to Oxford University remember."

This individual knows very little of the Oxford of Tolkien's day. Nor does he know much of Tolkien's closely-held beliefs. A good reading of "Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien" may shed some relevant light.

Wayfarer, good quotes there, but in no way do they indicate sex. They reflect more of the "courtly love" of the old epics, the old chivalric ideal, not blatant (or even intimated) sex.

Kissing, hugging, holding close, yes. Sex? Nopers. Maybe that was your point, though.

I need more coffee.

[Wayfarer]

Wayfarer, good quotes there, but in no way do they indicate sex. They reflect more of the "courtly love" of the old epics, the old chivalric ideal, not blatant (or even intimated) sex

;) I would say that...

it's...understated, not explicit.

Indeed, I agree with you. And I, personally, enjoyed Beren and Luthien's romance far more than any other I've ever read about. Han and Leia were great, but not that great.

Allright, here's a question: If you had the choice of being in Beren's place, or being in any other fictianal romance (say-rand Al'Thor), who would you pick?

[Nilore]

Why is everyone suggesting that Legolas is GAY!!!:mad: :mad:

Nilore

[zavron]

Hmmm...I've seen the pictures and I think they do have a bit of flashy hanky-panky in there! look at the picture!

I mean what are they doing lying down on a bed!!! With Arwen on top an all!!!!

[zavron]

strange how in this picture the camera automatically goes to her breasts!

[BeardofPants]

Brop: While it's true that Letters dispells any hints that Tolkien was anything but an upstanding citizen and all that, Oxford WAS at that time, a lot more liberal towards homosexuality.

[Andúril]

Nilore:
Why is everyone suggesting that Legolas is GAY!!! :mad: :mad: Are you suggesting that he isn't? Just because you dream of Legolump, doesn't mean he isn't a poepol-pirate, anal-avenger and/or bum-bandit.

[Miranda]

How many hearts have you just broken?!!!!!!!!!! But I have to agree that the long blond hair doesn't do a lot for the "I'm not gay" image. Although Orlando himself is a very different story- MIAOW. Mind you I like the slightly feminine elf look, I wouldn't mind running my fingers through that hair!!!! So excited- this time next month I will be in a theatre watching the film- I can hardly believe it!!! I'M SO EXCITED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D Mx

[starofelendil]

The song is i am the walrus by my favorite band the beatles


Its Aragorn and Arwen sexin' if anything... watch the trailer. But all the movies have to be rated PG-13.

[Sween]

Originally posted by starofelendil
The song is i am the walrus by my favorite band the beatles


Its Aragorn and Arwen sexin' if anything... watch the trailer. But all the movies have to be rated PG-13.

we have a winner

[cassiopeia]

One of the reasons I love the LOTR is because there is no explicit sex scenes and such; there is so much in TV and movies these days one gets sick of it. The lay of Leithan is beautiful, one of my favorite works of Tolkien.

I'm getting really sick of people saying Legolas is gay. :rolleyes: Crazy people out there....... :rolleyes:

starofelendil: there is a Beatles thread in the Entertainment forum if you would like to post something. :)

I think that picture of Arwen and Aragorn is when he is dying at the end of ROTK. But then I'm probably wrong. :rolleyes:

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by cassiopeia

I think that picture of Arwen and Aragorn is when he is dying at the end of ROTK. But then I'm probably wrong. :rolleyes:
I saw that scene that is in that picture in the new Two Towers preview.

[Dunadan]

Originally posted by BeardofPants
Brop: While it's true that Letters dispells any hints that Tolkien was anything but an upstanding citizen and all that, Oxford WAS at that time, a lot more liberal towards homosexuality.
I live in Oxford, and can vouch for the fact that everyone here is gay.

Seriously though, that makes no sense at all. Oxford is, and always has been, about as liberal as Attila the Hun.

[bropous]

"Brop: While it's true that Letters dispells any hints that Tolkien was anything but an upstanding citizen and all that, Oxford WAS at that time, a lot more liberal towards homosexuality."

BoP, what is it with your obsession with homosexuality? Who said anything about homosexuality?

The question was on premarital sex, my dear Kiwi, and homosexuality had nothing to do with the discussion, at least as it pertains to the points I was addressing.

I think I got caught in the crossfire here. Check your target, belay firing orders!

[BeardofPants]

Who said I was obsessed with homosexuality? (There, right back at ya. ;)) Blame Sween, he brought it up.

[Amandil]

Legolas isn't gay, he just looks that way in the friggin movie...

[bropous]

...then your comments regarding homosexuality should have been addressed to Sween, BoP, and not to me.

[Lollypopgurl]

I dunno about a sex scene... It's rated PG-13.

[Shadowfax]

Originally posted by Lollypopgurl
I dunno about a sex scene... It's rated PG-13. We've already gone over that...it was a mistake.

[Eowyn of Rohan]

Originally posted by bropous
eyeballing "the line".....
I ain't going over there. ;) Safer over here.


It's never stopped you before! ;)

Oh Bropous, come oooon! You know you want to!

Come over to the dark side. Resistence is futile.
(Wait.. which forum did I cross over into? The Star Wars or the Star Trek?)





Besides, ... it's so nice over here.

[Eowyn of Rohan]

Originally posted by samwise of the shire
...I mean Aragorn and Arwen messing around before they get married? That is not kingly or elven princessly at all... :(


Okay... I'll admit it.... however much it may embarass me and utterly obliviate all of your opinions of me.

When I first read the Aragorn / Arwen section of the appendix,.... I was really tired and was only half interpreting what I was scanning (that's my story and I'm sticking to it). Then I came across (shut up) the part where Tolkien wrote that they "walked unshod" and then "plighted their troth and were glad".

For some reason all I could picture was Aragorn and Arwen walking around Lothlorien unclothed, going at it, and then lying there on the grass in a delectable stupor.

After a few minutes of continued reading, I had to stop and go back and refocus:
Unshod = barefoot, not barebodied
Plighted their troth = pledged their intentions to marry one another, not "sealed the deal".

After that, I thought I should stop reading for the night.

[bropous]

....stop reading for the night....and do something else....

LOL! :D

[Eowyn of Rohan]

Originally posted by bropous
....stop reading for the night....and do something else....
LOL! :D
:D
What was that whole thing about "eyeing the line and not wanting to cross it??" ;)

Seeeee... I knew with enough temptation that you'd cross over!
Welcome!
;) ;) ;)

[bropous]

The whole "crossing the line" was in reference to my stating that there was a fine line we were all treading regarding sex, considering the fact that there are children who view this site, and the moderator's reiteration that the line should not be crossed......




:D

[Eowyn of Rohan]

The whole "crossing the line" was in reference to my stating that there was a fine line we were all treading regarding sex, considering the fact that there are children who view this site, and the moderator's reiteration that the line should not be crossed......
Uhhhh, .... I KNOW that.
Some people on here need things explained to them all the time so I understand the need you feel to have to go over things.... but it's not necessary for me.
I believed you to be continuing the joke.
Whatever,.... moment has passed.

[Sween]

Originally posted by bropous
The whole "crossing the line" was in reference to my stating that there was a fine line we were all treading regarding sex, considering the fact that there are children who view this site, and the moderator's reiteration that the line should not be crossed......




:D

have i ever been known to cross that line? :p

[Firekitten2006]

*looks around* what are you talking to me?? I dont think there is anyone under 14 here :D In that case *sigh* I guess your talking to me

[bropous]

I only answered your question, Eowyn of Rohan. Sheesh.

Here's a quarter. BUY a clue.

[Coney]

Originally posted by Sween
have i ever been known to cross that line? :p

Crossed it?? Sween ya've ripped up the line and tied it into a bow!:D

[Sween]

Originally posted by Coney
Crossed it?? Sween ya've ripped up the line and tied it into a bow!:D

ahhhh good s***

[Edro]

I read a review where they said that Gollum could be counted as ...... well y'know:rolleyes:

[Lefty Scaevola]

Pre-marital sex is pretty much an oxymoron among the Elves, with who sex would mean that you were married. In HoME tolkien describe wedding ritual among the evles, but state that the ritual is for social purposes. Two legal age elves are married when they say they, and have no requirement of a relegious cermony, license, or parentaly permission to do so. Not even Thingol could have bared Beren and Luthian being married, had they defied him a declared themselves to be so then and there.

[gimli7410]

well when aragorn is having his dream of arwen and they are standing together and it goes down and shows the evenstar is anyone really focussing on the evenstar

[Elvellyn]

Well now that you've seen the movie do you think their "love scene'' was trashy or inappropriate?

[gimli7410]

i thought it was kind of trashy.i respect PJ but i dont think he was focusin on the evenstar;)

[gollum9630]

I think you werent focussing on the evenstar gimli7410

[azalea]

I thought the scene was fine, and far from a "sex scene." There was no sex! It certainly was a more physically intimate scene than the one in FotR, but not in a sexual way. The costuming reminded me of the change in Padme's dress from Epi 1 to Epi 2 -- the clothing was more gossamer and feminine. Likewise with Arwen's from FotR to TTT. As to his "not focusing on the Evenstar," I view a woman's breast as a natural part of her body and I see no reason to hide it. If people chose to see something sexual about it, it came from their own viewpoint. I would have probably chosen a different camera angle myself, but then again there are many things I would have done differently.

[gollum9630]

Originally posted by azalea
I thought the scene was fine, and far from a "sex scene." There was no sex! It certainly was a more physically intimate scene than the one in FotR, but not in a sexual way. The costuming reminded me of the change in Padme's dress from Epi 1 to Epi 2 -- the clothing was more gossamer and feminine. Likewise with Arwen's from FotR to TTT. As to his "not focusing on the Evenstar," I view a woman's breast as a natural part of her body and I see no reason to hide it. If people chose to see something sexual about it, it came from their own viewpoint. I would have probably chosen a different camera angle myself, but then again there are many things I would have done differently.

Other than the Star Wars thing, I agree, i think it was to show the intamcy between Aragorn and Arwen.

[Insidious Rex]

Anyone ever seen Excalibur? Theres a sex scene in there that is pretty intense and hard core. And doesnt hold much back. But it works like an absolute charm. It doesnt come off as graphic or gratuitous or just for titillation in the least. It absolutely works with the art of the whole film. And Excalibur is of course very similar in style to Lord of the Rings in that they both tell epic tales and are medieval in flavor. But that being said, I dont think an Excalibur like sex scene could at all work in Lord of the Rings. Theres no reason for it. Whereas in Excalibur it explains the genesus of King Arthur so theres a huge reason for including it.

[Gaporli]

I think you have it very wrong. First of all Orlando Bloom is dating women. Second of all, you should watch Gandalf. Don't you know Sir Ian Mckellen is a Gay Rights Activist. Check your facts before you joke.

[TopazJedi]

I think it's pretty funny that they messed up the ratings! My favorite sex thing was on the Actor's commentary in the Special Ed. DVD. Billy Boyd and Dominic Monaghan were talking about all the elf-women crying as Pippin and Merry left Rivendell. HA-HA! "we'll try to be back in nine months!" LOL :p

[TopazJedi]

OOOPS! sorry, i ment Special Edition DVD, not the DVD for people w/ special acedemic needs. hee HEE HEEEEEEE!

[Gamigar]

OOOHHHHHHH, so this is talkin about the dvd.
I don't think it'll happen. I heard the same roumors about TFOTR special edition dvd.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

No, it was a rumour from before the Two Towers movie was released, which had it's base in part, I think, from a mix-up with the rating on the James Bond movie, and from the make-out scenes which are in TTT.