Decriminalizing marijuana

[markedel]

Not having found this debate in the search engine I'm curious what people think about decriminalizing "soft drugs." I'm from Canada and there's been an ongoing debate about the issue. What do you think?

[Earniel]

I know the Netherlands have a pretty lose law about it. Here in Belgium the law is somewhat stricter. (and some find it totally useless) Some softdrugs are allowed but I can't remember which ones and in what quantities.

Personally I find it hard to decide. I believe that the fact that soft drugs are 'forbidden' makes some young people use it because it makes them look 'rebellious' and 'cool'. On the other had if you legalise soft drugs others will start using it because 'it's legal now so it can't be that bad'. I'm not sure if you can answer it with yea or nay.

[Treebeard's apprentice]

There's lots of sides to this issue, but let me tell you what I believe.

I've never tried marijuana or any other illegal drugs in my life, but I can't stop others from doing it. Niether, it seems most of the time, can the police. I think one of the main reasons many tenagers try it is because its illegal (here in the US, at least) and usually they can get away with it. Everyone I've known that has actually been busted for weed will just keep on smoking it, usually less than a week after getting caught.

There's so many anti-drug campaigns out there that it's impossible to ignore the negative effects of drugs. People will try it no matter what, so enforcing laws seems pointless. The only reason it's illegal is so that the law enforcement can keep their jobs. When Prohibition was started, a new group needed to be created to enforce the law. When Prohibition ended, instead of telling the enforcers to get new jobs, they just gave them something else to regulate: marijuana.

That's my opinion. I'll probably never try it in my life, but if someone else wants to, there isn't much I can say to change it. I don't care either way if it's legal or not.

[Sween]

been a pretty regular user of pot myself i personally feel that it should be decrimalised.

I smoke it pretty regually we often in mid week will smoke a load over a game of cards or summet. Me and my friends find it a plesent way to spend an evening. None of my circle of friends has ever felt the need to go on to do harder drugs (not that they have not been offred to us) but we are more than content just getting stonned.

I dont take the argueement to a point that if you smoke pot you will automatically be more likly to do harder drugs. i feel the main reason that people end up doing harder drugs is that fact that ash is illegal and to0 get it we have to through some pretty low people. if it were legal it would cut down the contact with dealers a lot.

As for harder drugs there is a distinct pattern from what iu can see. speed and E's have a strong connection (i know when i went to gatecrasher i was openly offred them on servral occasions) smack i have allways seen as summet completally diffrent because you have to coniolly take it. you allways have a choice with drugs i mwwill admit that one day i was offred it and i said no and that was the end of that. Unfortnally i have known people take it and trust me it is nothing but bad news that stuff.

But i like to judge everything on its own. and dont believe the way TV protrys pot its allways it makes you lazy and they often misreprsent it and that anoys me. I feel in many ways it populises it and creates a false impression of its powers which seems to me more damaging than been honest.

Has anyone else ever done it here? if so what do you think?

[osszie]

I've been known to *ahem* indulge in the occasional herbal ciggarette in the past:o

I believe that the law for cannabis should go in two different directions. It should be lowered for genuine users of the drug (they do of course hurt no-one but themselves) their punishment should be limited to a fine, less money in pocket, less dope in lungs.;) although the punishment should be upped for users under 18 yrs of age......more as a deterrent to stop kids experimenting with the stuff.

For the dealers I feel that the punishment should be harsher, it's the easiest way to get drugs off the streets. With harsher punishment the dealers will be more selective about who they sell drugs to (i.e. stop the dealers in the schoolyards etc).

I am very much against the full legalisation of cannabis. Look at the state of many people through the legal drugs, tobbacco and alchohol:mad: .......cannabis does have many damaging properties and I'm sure many of you who have spent time with smokers have seen what we called a "whitey" vomitting, raised blood pressure and hyperventilating caused by overindulgnece over a short period of time.............then of cause there is the classic zombie-like state (brain dead) that many cannabis smokers suffer from over a lengthened spell of misuse:rolleyes:

I don't believe that using cannabis leads to addiction to other drugs, years ago I tried several kinds of chemical based drugs (Ecstacy, Speed, LSD) and they give you a totally different kind of "high" than cannabis.......someone with a cannabis habit (I don't believe it is addictive but it is certainly habit forming among many individuals) would find little or no satisfaction from other drugs. Chemical drugs tend to speed up the brain function while cannabis slows it down.

Taking chemical based drugs is a little like playing russian roulette. They are chemicals mixed by someone who is only after the maximum profit.........there could be anything in it!

A friend of mine suffered serious burns to her mouth after taking speed which was cut (mixed with) Ajax (a bleach based floor cleaner).......this she had bought from a dealer she had known for years, he just tried to got greedy:mad: ........... that was the last time I was tempted to take speed, or any other chemicals for that matter:(

[Sween]

with a name like ozzie i should of known uve done a few drugs in your time :D . In all seriousness a lot of dealers are scum. people who if they were on fire i would even........ well you get the picture.

This is such a hard one to weigh up because allthough pot itself is pretty harmless (as harmless as any drug is i personally rate it bellow alchol in terms of danger) de crimalizing it would cause a lot of problems.

how will the dealers suplement there income pot is pretty much the backbone of a dealers paycheck sure the others are higher priced but for shear quantaties theres nothing to match pot. Me and 6 mates smoked a 9 bar in 1 weekend :D . How will they get there money bk? they will have to resort to more forward methods of pushing the harder drugs.

there are however some plus sides to this. first let me explain that people will smoke pot regardless so stuff like been stonned at the wheel are pretty irrivent to me. But if pot were made legal it can be taxed and moderated and would be a bosst to the british farmer. it could also help prove the valueable resources needed to help tackle the hard drug industry. It would also stop wasteing police time and allow them to go after the harder stuff.

In england i think that the majority of well informed people are swinging to well they are not really swinging ne where to be honest they kinda dont want to see it legalised but dont really want it illegal no one really cares.

we all have the american teen movie image of the gang of stonners in the corner talking bull etc and yeh people will do stuff to excess but then people drink to excess and eat to excess and does something been illegal really change how we would use it?

[markedel]

I also smoke pot once in a while. That's why I'm curious. I'm of two sides on this-it isn't going to ruin your life, but it certainly can, and it does and can have a faiely powerful effect on someone. On the other hand getting high is no worse then being drunk, and the health risk is not much greater then say smoking. Certainly if it was regulated properly that would be better then currently, but decriminilization without regulation is IMHO pointless.

[crickhollow]

I tend to think that you move into dangerous ground anytime you relinquish control over your mind. Granted, I've never used drugs...
BTW, no choice has only to do with person...we constantly play a role in other people's lives based on the choices we make in our own.

[osszie]

Originally posted by crickhollow
I tend to think that you move into dangerous ground anytime you relinquish control over your mind.

that is very true, there are probably many people in jail because of their actions while high or drunk:(

Just say NO:D

(unless its a really good night then just say a little;) j/k)

[Erawyn]

I haven't quite made up my mind on this one. In a way I think maybe it would be safer if it was decriminalized, and probably less people would be tempted to take it. On the other hand though I am really against drugs in every way. My friends dad is kind of a pothead, and when he heard about it maybe becoming decriminalized here he got all excited and it really upset her. Marijuana is actually pretty harmful to your health, and using it doesn't just harm yourself, but people in your family, your friends etc.

[Dunadan]

Originally posted by Erawyn
Marijuana is actually pretty harmful to your health, and using it doesn't just harm yourself, but people in your family, your friends etc.
This is a good point, and one which a lot of potheads (myself included in the past) do not acknowledge.

There is a very tired old saw that says "dope isn't as bad for you as alcohol" Personally, I think that is untrue, and there is an increasing body of evidence to link cannabis use with personality disorders and psychosis. However, there is such a bogus culture around drugs use that users tend to believe what their friends rather than what some government scientist says. You can't blame them, when much so-called drugs education is so clearly nonsensical. A good start would be to tell the truth about them.

However, the most dangerous drug out there is legal: tobacco. If I caught my kids smoking a spliff, I would be most upset about the tobacco in it. I speak as an ex-smoker who is in the throes of giving up. It is by far the most difficult thing I have ever done.

Never mind cancer: smoke cigarettes and you might die gasping for breath, but not before your legs and arms have been amputated and you've spent years unable to walk to the toilet without needing oxygen.

[Millane]

nup i cant talk from experiance like so many of you can:rolleyes: but i do have my own opinions and here goes
i think that pot even if more harmful to you it isnt as harmful to family friends etc and therefore is more of a choice thing (or should be) i just think there isdifferences between Alcohol Tobacco Marijuana but who draws the line. Nevertheless it is dangerous and it is harder to get where i live if it is illegal. to get it you have to travle to melbourne( bout 2 hours away) and that certainly keeps it down...
as for the other drugs (ecstasy speed etc) there are goods and bads about if that was to be legalised. GOOD POINT: nowadays drugdealers cut a lot of the stuff with flour, tranquilisers and all other sorts of crap and if it was legalised it would have a tighter control and only pure stuff would be sold keeping it as undamaging to the health as possible GOOD POINT: governments could tax it BAD POINT: DEATH AND CRIME...
just my views

[Spock]

My thoughts are confused.
For those whom it would help, glaucoma victims and others suffering various ailments, I say decriminalize.

For the rest of us, hey, it's great in baked goods. :D

[Khamûl]

I'm against it, even for medicinal purposes. Not only are drugs bad, but then you'd have a lot of people saying, "Thank God I have arthritis.":rolleyes:

[BeardofPants]

My uncle Freddie uses it for his back pain. I don't think I'd like to be around him if he didn't have that small mercy. :rolleyes:

[osszie]

The main argument for legalising medical use of canabis in the UK is for the treatment of MS (multiple sclerossis) sufferers whose pain is neurological in its source.

Read about it here

http://www.bupa.co.uk/health_information/html/health_news/180202cannabis.html:)

personally I think cannabis should be available on perscription, other more powerful drugs are available (e.g.opiates) which people grow tolereant to and end up taking handfulls of them. A friend of mine who suffers from chronic rheumatiod arthritis has to be a admitted to hospital for six weeks every year just to detox from his medication:(

Khamul I agree that many people would try to fool the system to get drugs, but there are millions of heroin addicts who try to fool drs anyway.......and a good dr should be able to tell when a patient is lying:)

Millions of people are addicted to perfectly legal drugs.......I wouldn't like to imagine how many people are hooked on Valium, prozac and barbituates etc:(

If cannabis were available on perscription then at least Dr's have a chance of regulating how much a person will smoke/ingest:)

[Renille]

To set the record now, yes, I am an anti-all-drug-anti-drinking-anti-smoking little person, so this post will probably sound like one of those anti-smoking commercials, but I think it needs to be said.

Smoking marijuana is like smoking about multiple cigarettes. Smoking has, of course, been proven to cause cancer and lung disease. Which would you rather deal with, a dead lung or back pain???
I cannot agree with decriminilization of any illegal drug. The government isn't stupid...it knows what's harmful and what's not.
(My 15 minute bell just rang...more on this later, maybe.:p )

[BeardofPants]

Well, obviously my uncle at least has made the choice for black lung. :rolleyes: But you know, severe backpain that doesn't let you sleep can do that. There's something wrong with his spine - I don't exactly know what; but he can't lie down without it hurting, he can no longer drive properly, he can't work... yeah, you could say he's made a choice.

[Andúril]

Weed? Booooring.:rolleyes:

[Millane]

Just out of interest, Renille, why are you anti-drinking? is it like ethical, health... sorry just curious not many people are anti drinking in Bendigo (where i live) its sorta part of the culture...
as to what you said about illegal well i cant agree in the slightest with your Marijuana P.O.V. relating to medical issues... some people really need it... my friends mam died of cancer and she didnt want Marijuana to help the pain and apparently she was literally dying in agony... dont you think the choice should be there... i dont think we should say no to medicinal marijuana at all seeing as we dont know how much pain a patient may be going through... i can see how you can argue against marijuana for like enjoyment puroposes but if someone is in pain then they should chose weather they can take marijuana or not... the filth that would try and trick people to get a prescription are just f@$#ed in the head that is just wrong...

[Dunadan]

To change the law, you have to show clear evidence of medicinal benefit. THis does not exist at the moment. Therefore we shouldn't legalise it (though there is enough anecdotal evidence to study it further).

The freedom of choice argument is much stronger. What right does anyone have to tell me what I can and cannot put into my body? However, this perfectly reasonable position is marred with dodgy beliefs about the harm caused by cannabis. There is strong evidence that cannabis is harmful, particularly when smoked. In particular, it can make existing psychotic illness worse. This makes it hard to have a sensible debate (no joke intended).

However, like Millane, I'd be interested to hear more about the anti-drinking, anti-smoking "moral" stance. If it's to do with harm, are you also anti-driving (which kills more people than heroin)?

[markedel]

That is true I've heard of someone with pyschological problems have them exacerbated by use of marijuana. The question is really-are they more harmful then cigarettes and alcohol? If no then they should be strictly regulated-like cigarettes and alcohol.

[Cirdan]

What causes more problems, smoking pot or imprisonment? Treatment for people who can't function on it is a better solution. All crimes commited under the influence of anything should be classified as aggzagerated circumstance. In other woprds, savbe the jail for the real trouble makers, high or not.

If soft drugs lead to harder stuff does that mean ice cream leads to bacon?:D

[Dunadan]

Originally posted by Cirdan
If soft drugs lead to harder stuff does that mean ice cream leads to bacon?:D
Inexorably. And then it's only a matter of time before you move onto ...... cashew nuts! ;)

You're right; if draw leads to heroin, it's because it's illegal, not because one leads to the other. Clearly, regulation would be better than prohibition (which doesn't work). The problem I have is that there is so little honest debate about it, and so much misinformation.

In my view, alcohol is probably less harmful in moderation, but more harmful in excess. Tobacco is more harmful by dint of being extremely addictive, but is less carcinogenic and probably has a stabilising effect on mental health. Yet the general view amongst users is that marijuana is entirely benign (as opposed to carcinogenic and psychotic).

Anyway, just because something is harmful doesn't mean it should be illegal. Rock climbing is harmful, and horse riding is the most dangerous sport in the world; driving your car, riding your bike, why you yourself, Gimli, are beset with dangers .. sorry... must be the drugs.

However, it shouldn't be legalised until we can have an honest appraisal of the effects. In particular, we don't know much about its effects on driving, and would need an effective test. Research in the UK suggests that it impairs driving for 24hours, but remains testable for 4 weeks. There is no "safe level" as yet. Frankly, I don't fancy legitimising a bunch of dopeheads driving their cars around on the roads.

[Sween]

i think a lot more effort should be put into find ways of making things like estacy and lsd safe. i mean its ussually what the drug is cut with that cause problems if it could be made safe wouldnt it then be a huge stroke againts the war against drugs?

[osszie]

The trouble with a proper scientific apprasial of cannabis is that the plant itself has littterally hundreds of varieties and the potency of the drug (its effect on humans) varies greatly on the conditions the plant was grown in regulating the effects of the drug is near immpossible as a change in temeperature and humidity as the plant is developing will alter the "high" effect.

This also has connotations with laws such as driving etc...........most poeple smoke cannabis in a block (colloquialy known here as tack)........as the cannabis is compressed into the block there is no way to know of the innitial volume of leaf used...........as I'm sure all smokers will know......some blocks are a lot more powerful than others;) IMO we cannot conciously allow people to drive under the influence of cannabis while there is still such a "chaotic" factor involved.......one smoke may give you a slight buzz...........when the next may be capable of knocking out a concrete elephant........although IMO people should not be allowed to drive under the influence of ANY drug that can alter perception, including perscription drugs.

To make Ecstacy safe would be a nigh on immpossible task. Ecstacy was originally a refined version of the chemical MDMA (yes the same stuff found in some rat poisons........those little dancing tablets are the same stuff used to kill vermin) over time the manufacturers of E's have slowly replaced the MDMA content with amphetimine (speed etc)...............and the changes are still happening as the dealers find cheaper and more accessable drugs to give a high and still pass off as Ecstasy. Many nightclubs in Holland will test E's for patrons and the variety of tablets sold as E's is just staggering..........everything from flour to Crack moulded into the shape of a tablet.

The only way to make Ecstasy safe is for the government to contract pharmacists to make the stuff...........that'll never happen, even if it did the dealers would just undercut them and put even more poisons into peoples mouths.

IMO LSD will never be safe........aside from the horrendous long term psychological effects the drug has there is also the "flashback", when for no specific reason you experience the effects of LSD after the drug has left your system...........this can happens literally years later. Imagine the scene...........you take the drugs.........years later your driving down the motorway......a flashback hits you and *crash* ya dead.......simple as that:(

[Cirdan]

Ummm... flashbacks are a myth. LSD is too powerful to be toyed with by unsupervised, underage amateurs. It has shown to have some uses in the treatment of chronic alcoholism, but it would be like using a sledgehammer to crack an egg.

[Sween]

but you do not deny the fact it could be made safe? So theres a safe product that gives the same buzz would people really still buy from dealers who put all sorts of crap in it?

I think thats there are ways and means of making things safe. I think this is a winniable fight whist to try and rid ourselves of drugs in socity is not.

[markedel]

That's why I opened the question up with pot-anything harder (even pot that is mixed with other drugs) is simply too dangerous to the system. Danger is not the most important facor-I think it's a question of how much it affects daily life for te average person. Obviously as with alcohol some people do become addicted.

[osszie]

Originally posted by Cirdan
Ummm... flashbacks are a myth. LSD is too powerful to be toyed with by unsupervised, underage amateurs. It has shown to have some uses in the treatment of chronic alcoholism, but it would be like using a sledgehammer to crack an egg.

You may be right Cirdan......I was using the medical essays of William Burroughs as a referrence for the "flashback" ideas and after a bit of a sniff about the 'net there does not seem to be any substanstiating evidence for flashback.........goddamn hippy culture:rolleyes: ...... oh well at least I've learned something:)

I know that I've never personally experienced a flashback;) although I only did take LSD maybe a half dozen times.

LSD is too powerful to be toyed with by unsupervised, underage amateurs. ..............................do you think that anyone can actually become adept at the use of LSD?....the reason I ask is that in my experience (I used to do voluntary work at a drop-in house for recovering alcoholics and drug addicts, not as a counsellor or anything tho') long term use of LSD only leads to mental disorders or a series of "bad trips" whenever the drug is taken:( it always seems a "spiteful" drug, i.e the pleasant feelings experienced soon become warped.

[Sween]

yeah but in the case of drugs you have to look at the drug itself. i mean you can abuse a lot of things. You can be addicted to food sex i mean some people probably even claim to be addicted to walks in the park or summet like that.

i believe that humans have a tendency to abuse there bodys an awful lot and people will allways take things in excess and will cause themselves problems.

whats this got to do with the legalisation of drugs well my point is that you cannot stop abuse and if something legal or not it makes no difference.

As for drugs they are in socity and the problem is not going to go away there is too much money to be made for people not want to do it. Put a dealer in prision and there will allways be 10 ready to take his place. Now Pots an odd one here as all smokers of it know one batch is never quite the same. It is a plant and it will differ as much as potatos differ but surely we can find effective methods of screening it etc.

The chemical based drugs can be quite easily studied and we know what makes them go bad. surely money would be better spent reasearching how to make these things safe and what makes them go bad.

I personally have little experience of LSD so i wont make any comment on its effects. but you would all agree that if we understood these things better theres a chance would could make them safe or at least find ways of treating suffers?

[Cirdan]

Originally posted by osszie
...do you think that anyone can actually become adept at the use of LSD?....

Yes, but I can't think of a more useless skill. I really meant people inexperienced with drugs in general. There are many more less powerful hallucinogens. Yes, it is a spiteful drug; much like selling your soul only to get an ironic punishment instead. Of course, nothing quite compares to it.

William Burroughs?:rolleyes: He was too strung out on heroin to be of much use.

Back to topic. The issue of the strength of today's marijuana has been thrown up ("This is not you father's marijuana") as a reason it is more dangerous. What is missing is the fact that THC has an upper limit after which you can't get any higher. This is not true of any other mind altering substance, and it is the reason pot is so much safer than alcohol. You can't OD on pot, but you sure can on alcohol. Drugs should be regulated based on both safety (mental and physucal health) and the person's condition. If it were legalised the person should have a permit that proves they are not a hazard. Penalties for aiding this person in procurement should be similar to aiding and abetting a felony.

[Sween]

but lets not get into the debate on alchol alchol is evil stuff i think its half the people in hospital are in with alchol related problems or is that smoking? oh well nevermind. i personally feel that alchol is much more altering that pot but just cos one evil (and alchol is an evil) is legal does not mean that another one should be.

[Cirdan]

The wonderful trick with alcohol and cigarettes is that by the time you are dying it is too late to save yourself. I know people who have had health complications decades after ceasing the behavior. If everyone pays cash out of pocket for the medical care required after extensive substance abuse, then I have no reason to want to impede thier freedom. People who injure or kill other people, intoxicated or not should pay the price here as well. Licensinf fees and taxes on the stuff will help pay for this too and should be graduated based on the risk.

[Sween]

i think if ash were made legal it could provide the money to do a lot of good in the world.

[Renille]

Originally posted by Millane
Just out of interest, Renille, why are you anti-drinking? is it like ethical, health... sorry just curious not many people are anti drinking in Bendigo (where i live) its sorta part of the culture...
as to what you said about illegal well i cant agree in the slightest with your Marijuana P.O.V. relating to medical issues... some people really need it... my friends mam died of cancer and she didnt want Marijuana to help the pain and apparently she was literally dying in agony... dont you think the choice should be there... i dont think we should say no to medicinal marijuana at all seeing as we dont know how much pain a patient may be going through... i can see how you can argue against marijuana for like enjoyment puroposes but if someone is in pain then they should chose weather they can take marijuana or not... the filth that would try and trick people to get a prescription are just f@$#ed in the head that is just wrong...

And I fully respect your point as well,though I DO NOT agree with it! :p

The reason I'm anti-drinking is probably because I went to school and discovered how people are achoholics. I decided then and there that I would never drink...Just in case I got carried away. I'm a worrier, but I really have got to get into medical school! Anything that could possible stop me is EVIL!:D And that is the reason behind the madness.

[Cirdan]

Originally posted by Renille
And I fully respect your point as well,though I DO NOT agree with it! :p

The reason I'm anti-drinking is probably because I went to school and discovered how people are achoholics. I decided then and there that I would never drink...Just in case I got carried away. I'm a worrier, but I really have got to get into medical school! Anything that could possible stop me is EVIL!:D And that is the reason behind the madness.

excellent choice

[osszie]

Originally posted by Renille
The reason I'm anti-drinking is probably because I went to school and discovered how people are achoholics. I decided then and there that I would never drink...Just in case I got carried away. I'm a worrier, but I really have got to get into medical school! Anything that could possible stop me is EVIL!:D And that is the reason behind the madness.

Renille your gonna miss out on so much fun:eek:

Wot about the headache's, nausia, wondering where you were for 8 hours the previous night?:(

Seriously tho', good for you :) .......... there is so much peer pressure for people to drink, it's good to see someone make the decision not to

;)

[Lizra]

I've never experienced LSD "flashbacks" either, thank God! A wackier, more evil drug was never created! Tracers are fun, but after that, ughhh! Altering your perception, with no control over it is totally stupid. I don't know what Timothy Leery was thinking. All drugs are dumb for the reason Renille said, they stop your progress. On my 70th b-day, I'm asking for some pipeweed! :). By then it won't matter much, I guess. (only 23 more years to go! :))

[Millane]

The reason I'm anti-drinking is probably because I went to school and discovered how people are achoholics. I decided then and there that I would never drink...Just in case I got carried away. I'm a worrier, but I really have got to get into medical school! Anything that could possible stop me is EVIL! And that is the reason behind the madness.
ohhh sorry if it sounded like i was having a go at you i was just curious as to why... its just a thing i have it is the same with vegetarians and there is heaps of different reasons... i know how people say it is so easy for that few drinks to become an alcoholic and that all it starts off at but i just dont understand how people can get so reliant on it like i guess you have to see it for yourself im 16 and there are alot of people, my friends, classmates around my age that are drinking but i know when to stop and i think if you get the drinking over and done with sooner ( i mean no sooner than 16 17 18) then you are likely to lose interest when you get older and there is no one there to help you and support you. i dont drink that much if we are at a party i used to drink a bit but now i just have coke and maybe one drink and me mam knows that and she trusts me and she makes sure that i look after my friends if they are drinking to heavily...
geez i can rattle on cant i? :o anyways renille good luck with the medicine thing

[Sween]

i fully respect someone that has made a descision not to do things like drink and drugs. They are not only a good way to harm yourself but ive never found a quicker way to lose money (maybe marridge will solve that :D ).

How old are you though? I mean it wasnt till i was 13 and was encoraged to go out drinking by my family (perenting today) that i took it up as a past time. Its allright saying that now but if you dont drink you miss out on a lot of life. I know medical students they are right up there in terms of drinking.

Drugs and alchol can bring so much plesure if used in modiration :D

[markedel]

Well drinking is big at the school I go to so I understand the feeling. My view is if you're moderate then it won't do great harm. But my friends (and for that me matter I've) done dumb things while drinking.

[Lizra]

You getting married Sween!!! :)

[Sween]

Originally posted by Lizra
You getting married Sween!!! :)

ermmmmm no not yet at any rate :p . Do you know how much those things cost?

[Lizra]

Those things? Weddings? No, not really, my husband and I eloped. We are both too frugal to spend all that money so a bunch of our so called "friends" :D can get drunk and waste a lot of food. I'd rather buy furniture! I was so nervous standing in the clerk's office in Nashville Indiana, that I can't even imagine doing a big wedding! I'd puke for sure! Then start crying!

[Sween]

Originally posted by Lizra
Those things? Weddings? No, not really, my husband and I eloped. We are both too frugal to spend all that money so a bunch of our so called "friends" :D can get drunk and waste a lot of food. I'd rather buy furniture! I was so nervous standing in the clerk's office in Nashville Indiana, that I can't even imagine doing a big wedding! I'd puke for sure! Then start crying!

yeah well good for you but my Gf is the wedding type think monica off friends then times that by 10,000 its gonna cost me a bloody fortune :D .

Anyway bk to topic go on make it legal :D

[Renille]

No, DON'T make it legal!:p
Thanks, everyone, for your support. I have been asked such questions as, "Haven't you EVER drunk anything?? Everyone has."

To which I am forced to mumble...no.:)

Sween , to answer your question, I am turning 16 in exactly 19 days! Can't wait. But that has nothing to do with anything.

[Earniel]

Originally posted by Renille
No, DON'T make it legal!:p
Thanks, everyone, for your support. I have been asked such questions as, "Haven't you EVER drunk anything?? Everyone has."

To which I am forced to mumble...no.:)

Hah! I know how that's like. I had several likewise encounters with other students. Then they just stare at you for a few minutes like they're not sure that you actually said aloud that you don't drink alcohol. Then they take another sip of their beer and say 'Well whatever makes you happy.' :p

[Dunadan]

Originally posted by Lizra
On my 70th b-day, I'm asking for some pipeweed! :). By then it won't matter much, I guess. (only 23 more years to go! :))
Me too! When I gave up cigarettes I was so depressed by the prospect of never smoking a barry tab again that I promised myself that I'd take it on my 75th birthday (if I make it that far). It seems to be working so far (5 months and counting).

Back to topic, don't you think that drugs (legal and illegal, and the various mechanisms of getting off your face, have always had a place in society and always will? It's an important life-lesson if you can learn how to deal with them. But the best thing is if that doesn't involve total abstinence.:D

While abstinence might work for some, it's not realistic for many or most.

[Millane]

ohhh renille i thought you were at uni or summit... now that i know you are only 15 it doesnt really surprise me that you havnt ever drunk anything... but everyone that i know who is 16 has had a drink before it just seems so strange to me ohhh i dont know why...
anyway speaking of drinking ive got a friends party to go to soon so id better be off.
ohhh maybe another 10 min..:rolleyes:

[Andúril]

Earniel:
Hah! I know how that's like.Me too. :(

[Andúril]

Okay, now will someone please explain why "summit" and "summet" is used instead of "something"? Aaaaaarrrrgh!!!!

It's almost as bad as CaNdY!

[markedel]

Abstinence is a good thing, and besides at 15 I hadn't drank yet. Then the downward spiral begins...:p

Or as Queen's university puts it-frosh think they're alcoholics-3rd years know they're alcoholics.

[Sween]

No one can avoid the drink. It takes us all. and you say this as a plan to go to uni what about when you get there. theres no chance you can avoid been stupid and drunk there :D god i wish i was clever enough to go

[Earniel]

Originally posted by Sween
No one can avoid the drink. It takes us all. and you say this as a plan to go to uni what about when you get there. theres no chance you can avoid been stupid and drunk there :D god i wish i was clever enough to go

I managed to avoid it for 4 years of college in a row though :) The being drunk I mean, not the being stupid (unfortunately).

[Wayfarer]

I've avoided both this far... ]: )

[crickhollow]

Then the downward spiral begins...
here's one way to avoid it: go to a dry university. Our big bash every year is the rootbeer kegger. :D

[Wayfarer]

I know people who are addicted to caffine.. one or two of them have actually gone into withdrawel after a few days without. ;)

Incidentally, did you know that animal tests indicate that marijuana is less hallucinogenic than caffeine?

[crickhollow]

Originally posted by Wayfarer
I know people who are addicted to caffine.. one or two of them have actually gone into withdrawel after a few days without. ;)

Incidentally, did you know that animal tests indicate that marijuana is less hallucinogenic than caffeine? yes, I know people l like that, too. which is why I drink tea. non-caffeine. (that way, when mid-terms roll around, a smaller dose of caffiene will have a greater effect :rolleyes: )

[Sween]

Originally posted by crickhollow
here's one way to avoid it: go to a dry university. Our big bash every year is the rootbeer kegger. :D

im sorry but sounds really really crap

[Cirdan]

The rootbeer kegger does sound break.

Drinking is much more fun when your young. As you get older the buzz is shorter and the hangover longer. A drunk twenti-something is cute. At middle age it just looks pathetic. I quit everything because I got tired of feeling like crap.

I'm with Lizra about the 70th birthday except I would prefer next birthday.:D Of all of them it is the easiest to deal with in the end.

[jerseydevil]

I have a drink maybe once a year and I have never done drugs. But I'm not really for or against the legalisation of drugs though. I've thought a lot about it - just haven't really come to a conclusion. I think as long as people do it in the privacy in their own home - I don't see a problem with it.

My cousin recently applied for a job at a store and had to take a drug test. I told him that was ridiculous. I have to take drug tests generally when I get a new contract and I understand it when it's for a pharmaceutical company (right now I'm consulting for Merck and I've consulted for Eli Lilly). But everytime I go for a drug test - I feel it is an invasion of my privacy. If a person comes into work stoned or is unable to perform their job - then deal with it at that time. I do feel that drug tests should be required for pilots, truck drivers, bus drivers, etc. Occupations that put people's lives at risk. My cousin working at a sporting good store isn't going to cause anyone to die if he came in stoned.

In the US I really cant see marijuana becoming legal - especially with the anti-smoking laws going into affect. On the NY news yesterday they had about a town in New York that is proposing making it illegal to smoke in your own car if you have children 13 and younger in there. Nassau County in NY just passed laws making it illegal to smoke in bars and restaurants. Actually - any public spaces they said. New York's Mayor Bloomberg supposedly just proposed the same thing. There was a big uproar in New York City over it.

By the way - I have a friend that took LSD a lot - and he said that years after taking it - he'd have flashbacks. He still has a big alcohol problem. Marijuana he didn't like because it made him paranoid. He got caught up in heroin. Any drug out there he has done.

I used to be against legalising all drugs because I saw what he went through. But I do feel that marijuana is a lesser evil than alcohol.

The main reason I don't use drugs or drink is because I can't stand not being in control. For one thing - my brain is too important to me since I'm a computer programmer. Although - another reason I don't drink is because alcoholism runs in my family (on both sides). I also have a very addictive personality I think - it would be too easy for me to get caught up in it.

[Lizra]

Originally posted by Cirdan


I'm with Lizra about the 70th birthday except I would prefer next birthday.:D Of all of them it is the easiest to deal with in the end.

Believe me Cirdan, I can't wait. That's one vice that I really liked. Sometimes I wonder if the value that a joint has to destress me doesn't out weigh the negative effects. My husband and I can get so stressed out by all the things that need to be done, I swear, I feel that first coronary nipping at my my heels! :eek:. "Toking on" as we used to say, was the best way to "not care". Unfortunately, I found it to be horribly addictive, (it was so pleasant! :) ). It's not good to let anything rule your life like that, so I did the right thing and stopped. I didn't like being "mature" that day. But there are days when I really can't relax, all the provblems seem so unsolvable! So, I can't wait to turn 70, and give it up!

[osszie]

Taking drugs or alcohol = Escapism = Apathy to the real world

This is the major problem.

IMO it is one of the reasons drugs will never be legalised.

Sure it's easy to have a quick smoke or a fast drink to help smooth out the edges that life throws at us, but it's even easier to smooth out the edges sober and enjoy the drink or smoke:)

JD after reading up a little on the flashback it seems that your friend is probably suffering from some short-term repetitive psychosis which may (or may not) have been induced by the drugs in the first place.

Lizra, Cirdan, I'm with you folks........I intend to be sooo wasted on my 70th that my family will need a gallon of adrenalin at hand just to help me get back on a level:D

In fact I may just have a lil' smoke to celebrate your 70th birthdays as well;)

Sobriety sucks............but its better than being brain-dead:p

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by osszie

Sure it's easy to have a quick smoke or a fast drink to help smooth out the edges that life throws at us, but it's even easier to smooth out the edges sober and enjoy the drink or smoke:)

After my mother died - a few months later - I came home and got drunk. I started calling up people that were only distant friends (people I had never called before). The next day I came home again and wanted to drink again. That was when I told myself I was never going to drink like that. it would have been too easy to just deal with the pain by drinking myself into oblivion and not dealing with it at all. It would have ended up destorying my life.

JD after reading up a little on the flashback it seems that your friend is probably suffering from some short-term repetitive psychosis which may (or may not) have been induced by the drugs in the first place.

I'm not sure. I know he does have multple problems now. Hopefully he'll get better. I visited him a lot while I was in Indiana. He doesn't seem to be doing too well.

Oh well - none of this has to do with legalisation of drugs. I just don't think it will happen anytime soon.

[Cirdan]

Originally posted by Lizra
Believe me Cirdan, I can't wait. That's one vice that I really liked. Sometimes I wonder if the value that a joint has to destress me doesn't out weigh the negative effects. My husband and I can get so stressed out by all the things that need to be done, I swear, I feel that first coronary nipping at my my heels! :eek:. "Toking on" as we used to say, was the best way to "not care". Unfortunately, I found it to be horribly addictive, (it was so pleasant! :) ). It's not good to let anything rule your life like that, so I did the right thing and stopped. I didn't like being "mature" that day. But there are days when I really can't relax, all the provblems seem so unsolvable! So, I can't wait to turn 70, and give it up!

I had no problem with the addiction, but it was a demotivator. It made schoolwork easier for me strangely enough. I'm glad I don't do it now since I'm not working. I can't imagine job hunting stoned. But, yeah, it is the best destressor. I'm meaner than I was then, but it could be old age, too. Come on 70!:D

I've decided that I think use should be legal but abuse should be illegal. I'll let someone else figure out the details.;)

[Sween]

Alchol is the greatest stuff ever. we got my mate really drunk last night striped him but naked then took him down the main street :D then guess who he bumped into? His mum and dad Lmao

[markedel]

Heh-when I'm legal it's during exams...quite sad.

[jerseydevil]

The NY gubernatorial debates is on right now. Three candidates out of seven are pro-legalisation of marijuana. One is the member of the Marijuana Reform Party, another is the Liberterian Party and the other is from the Green Party.

The thing is - every question asked to the Marijuana Reform Party candidate is anwered by stating the reasons why Marijuana should be legalised. The party has no other stand. They could never win if they don't expand their platform.

Here are some things that have been occurring lately in the are that makes me think that legalisation of marijuana - at least in this are - is going to be a long time coming.


Banning Smoking In Your Car? One Local Lawmaker Says It's Common Sense (http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/WABC_101102_smokingban.html)
(Melville-WABC, October 11, 2002) — First it was office buildings, then bars and restaurants. Now some smokers on Long Island may lose the right to light up in their own cars. The newest idea from lawmakers in Suffolk County would make it illegal to smoke in cars carrying anyone younger than 13-years-old.



Nassau County Lawmakers Approve State's Widest Reaching Smoking Ban (http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/WABC_100702_lismoking.html)
(Mineola-WABC, October 7, 2002) — In one Long Island county, where there's smoke, there will be a ban smoking. At least that will be the case in Nassau County's restaurants, bars and other workplaces. Lawmakers adopted the ban Monday afternoon, the first county in the state to do so. There are some exemptions to the ban, and there are certainly a lot of mixed opinions.



Mayor Bloomberg Greeted By Loud Opposition At City Council Hearing On Smoking Ban (http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/WABC_101002_smokingban.html)

(New York-WABC, October 10, 2002) — Mayor Michael Bloomberg got a cool reception Thursday as he made a rare appearance before the City Council to speak in support of his proposed ban on smoking. Not surprisingly, smokers are not pleased with his proposal, which, if passed, would be one of the most far-reaching smoking bans in the country.


I know these really belong in the smoking thread - but if this is the kind of restrictions that are being imposed on smoking - how is there any chance that marijuana would get legalised.

All these things I think go too far anyway. If the car law passes - what's next? Outlawing smoking in people's homes if there is a child under 13?

[Snowdog]

I have been reading with interest this thread since its first post, and I have almost posted a couple times before but decided to wait and read more people's perspective on it. I will here now in brief give some thoughts & experiences dealing with the topics talked of here.

On its legal status... I have to say I'm mixed on this one. There are reasons I would wish to keep it non-legal, but it should be decriminalized to an extent that it would be removed from harassment in its use. The 'medical' use laws are a good step, and maybe I could get a perscription for some weed from my doctor.... Diagnosis? depression! I get depressed when I'm not stoned. (Ok. I stole that one from Tommy Chong when he guest appeared on Nash Bridges) If it were legalized it would have to be taxed at a fair rate to discourage the underground market. Remember when weed was 'made illegal' in the U.S. in 1937, it technically wasn't illegal. It was just taxed at such a high rate nobody paid it and so the treasury agents, a bunch of out-of-work-ex prohibition agents, took to busting weed smokers, which was also a racial thing for it was common knowledge that blues & jazz clubs were a den of "reefer madness". If done right, legalization could work. But if its taxed so much even though legal, then the underground will stil thrive and nothing will really change. Ironicly, it is whats happening with taxes on cigarettes in the U.S.... they are taxed to fund things like health programs and such, but as the taxes go ever higher, then more and more are cigarettes smubbled and bought underground. A side note here as I remembered it.. When I started to smoke pot more and more, I quit cigarettes. I am really glad I did when I did, when my lungs were still sorta pink and a pack was 35¢. The methods of smoking weed can make it less harmful than commercial cigarettes, for the method of smoking is quite different. Using water bongs removes alot of the tars.

On being a 'gateway' drug... I would have to say in my case it was. For I was into about a half-lid of pot a week, and I would get it from my hippy neighbor usually until I made contact of my own at the high school. It was when I went to 'score a lid' at this house one night that I was introduced to the world of acid. Now I was well versed on the government line on acid (LSD-25) and thought I would be a wandering freak of the neighborhood if I took it, but it was being freely supplied and so I stayed around and took my first trip. For the next day and a half I was in heaven! Of course I wanted to do it again, and I have to say but for the wise council of my hippy friend, I may have slid into a binge. But I took counsel and I would only 'bend the senses' on the special occasion. As for so-called flashbacks... well, if remembering the goodtimes in a day dream, then yes I have had them. But the propaganda saying that "you will have terrifying flashbacks if you take LSD-25" well, its hogwash. I see the dangers of taking amino-acids (LSD-25, MMDA, MDMA, and such) as you are messing directly with the chemical balances of the brain. Something that shouldn't be taken lightly (no pun intended).

There too at that time was the needle and spoon, and its ready availability, but I vowed to myself not to ever inject myself with anything. So yes it can be a gateway drug, but only because of its illegal status forces it into association with other illegal substances.

When I first smoked pot in 1972 it was only for socialization. after a few times over several days, I was introduced to the psychoactive feelings and I so liked it that I bought my own lid (lid: 1 ounce, $10 in 1972) with my weeks allowance. It was good Michoacan bud and it sent me on the road to the next 15 years of stonedom. Why did I quit?? A couple things... one was I realized it wasn't about socialization anymore. I would be social and after some smoke I would sit and stare and not talk... another was the costs. It has gone from the $10 for some good smoke in 1972, to about $60 an ounce for strong Colombian smoke in 1980, to the strong homegrown hydroponic bud for $10 a gram. It was no fun anymore, it was a burdun on my resources, and I didn't like how it made me feel anymore, so I quit. Its been 15 years since I took a toke, for age, maturity, and families don't lead to that kind of recreation. Being a grandparent now though, I do consider a smoke now and then, almost like I do a beer now and then.

[Snowdog]

A little bit of perspectives from both sides of the Issue:

10 Things Every Teen Should Know About Marijuana (http://www.health.org/nongovpubs/10things/)

Marijuana is illegal. Using, holding, buying, or selling marijuana can get you suspended or expelled from school. This will hurt your chances of getting a job in the future.
Resist peer pressure. Marijuana may make you feel part of the crowd for a while -- but who needs friends who could self destruct at any moment?
Keep on the right track. Marijuana reduces your ability to do things that require coordination and concentration, like sports, dancing, acting, and studying.
Think twice about what you are advertising. Do you want to promote something that can cause cancer? make you forget things? or make it difficult to drive a car? Think about what you're doing if you wear T-shirts, hats, pins, or jewelry with a pot leaf/joint/blunt on them.
Do the right thing. Using marijuana hurts your education, family ties, and social life.
It's a risky business. Marijuana interferes with your thinking and judgment. Sexually transmitted diseases, including HIV/AIDS, violence and car crashes are all possibilities when you use marijuana.
Get with the program. Contrary to what you might hear in songs or see on TV or in the movies, smoking marijuana does not make you cool.
You can get hooked. Many users report that, over time, they require more of the drug to get the same effect.
Talk about your problems. Using marijuana won't help you escape your problems, it will only create more. Don't believe people who say that marijuana is no big deal, or that it will make your life better.
You don't need it. If you think "everybody's doing it" you're wrong -- over 86 percent of 12-17 year olds have never even tried marijuana. Marijuana won't make you happy or popular or help you learn the skills you need as you grow up. You can do that with the help of friends, family, and other adults you trust.


And so the Surgeon General of the U.S. says and wishes us to believe. So, does prohibition (http://www.mpp.org/adolescents.html) reduce usage and stop
Reefer (http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/20/WAG3419.JPG) Madness (http://www.crrh.org/hemptv/misc_reefer.html)???
No.

So, what is the other view? Read this... (http://my.marijuana.com/Exposing_index_1095.html)

Which then brings us to the U.S. led war. Not the war on the Iraqis or Al Quida, though they do profit from the current U.S. drug policy. I mean the Drug War (http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wod.html) and the foreign policy the U.S. has conducted in Central and South America for decades under the guise of drug eradication.

Ok, I said I would be brief... I guess I wasn't. For just about anything on the subject, take a look at Yahooka (http://www.yahooka.com/pages/site_map.html)

[Lizra]

About taxing cigarettes, I've noticed my hubby bought a big can of tobacky :), and a bunch of pre-rolled tubes. He says he's not going to pay that high price for cigarettes, plus he claims he smokes less this way. Maybe he'll quit someday soon!

[Sween]

Snowdog what a peice of crap. where did you find them? This is what i hate about the promotion of drugs the people against them flat out lie and make up false information. I think the drug lords should sue.

None one i know has ever sel destruted after using pot for short or long periods of time. so thats completally false.

Pot i'll admit does have a effecyt on lowering your motor fuions but this is tempory and it leaves no last dammage (or at least years of research has not found any)

Lots of things can cause cancer. Aprentally we should eat tomatos.

The point of HIV/Aids is possiably the stupidest thing ever. If anything it helps men avoid it because it makes us go limp. Plenty non stoned people get aids.

People that just smoke summet to make them cool just are not cool. I smoke it because i like it.

Needing more isnt been hooked it deveoping a tollerence. A first time drinker can be drunk off 1 bottle after time that may rise to 20 or summet does not mean they are 'hooked'

Pot has made my life better ive had many a funny time with it :D

Im sorry but all your points are very debatable. Have you tried it? If not then shut up.

[Cirdan]

Originally posted by Snowdog
A little bit of perspectives from both sides of the Issue:

10 Things Every Teen Should Know About Marijuana (http://www.health.org/nongovpubs/10things/)

Marijuana is illegal. Using, holding, buying, or selling marijuana can get you suspended or expelled from school. This will hurt your chances of getting a job in the future.
Resist peer pressure. Marijuana may make you feel part of the crowd for a while -- but who needs friends who could self destruct at any moment?


..never seen anyone explode yet.

Keep on the right track. Marijuana reduces your ability to do things that require coordination and concentration, like sports, dancing, acting, and studying.

Lie

Think twice about what you are advertising. Do you want to promote something that can cause cancer? make you forget things? or make it difficult to drive a car? Think about what you're doing if you wear T-shirts, hats, pins, or jewelry with a pot leaf/joint/blunt on them.

Big Lie

Do the right thing. Using marijuana hurts your education, family ties, and social life.

Big Fat Lie

It's a risky business. Marijuana interferes with your thinking and judgment. Sexually transmitted diseases, including HIV/AIDS, violence and car crashes are all possibilities when you use marijuana.

and when you don't. :rolleyes:

Get with the program. Contrary to what you might hear in songs or see on TV or in the movies, smoking marijuana does not make you cool.

Who cares?

You can get hooked. Many users report that, over time, they require more of the drug to get the same effect.

not like cigarettes, alcohol, ice cream...

Talk about your problems. Using marijuana won't help you escape your problems, it will only create more. Don't believe people who say that marijuana is no big deal, or that it will make your life better.

duh...

You don't need it. If you think "everybody's doing it" you're wrong -- over 86 percent of 12-17 year olds have never even tried marijuana. Marijuana won't make you happy or popular or help you learn the skills you need as you grow up. You can do that with the help of friends, family, and other adults you trust.




deaths from alcohol and tobacco in the US each year - 1 million

deaths from pot - 0

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Sween

Im sorry but all your points are very debatable. Have you tried it? If not then shut up.

Sween - if you read his WHOLE post you would know that he has smoked it. You would also know that he was only giving points form both sides of the issue.

As far as I'm concerned - both sides lie. The extreme right and the extreme left of this issue both exagerate their claims as they usually do with any issue. In the middle is the truth. To ignore the fact that pot does have side effects - some long lasting and detrimental is just as ignorant as saying that it makes people go crazy (like in those reefer madness movies from the 50's).

[Snowdog]

Sween says: "Snowdog what a peice of crap." & "Im sorry but all your points are very debatable. Have you tried it? If not then shut up." :D Sween, have you considered the fact it may have shortened your attention span?? Wait... I just read your title. :D If you would have bothered to read my first post you would know that I spent many a year smoking. I had it all in one post but there was a character limit to the post size. Anyway, Jerseydevil is correct that I was providing what the U.S. government, which is and has been very anti-marajuana, and also some alternative points. I also provided a bit on the U.S. 'drug war' in South America. Sorry if it all was too much and confused you Sween. :D At least Cirdan made an attempt at refuting the Surgeon General's statement :D:rolleyes: :) :cool:

[osszie]

Originally posted by Snowdog
:D Sween, have you considered the fact it may have shortened your attention span?? Wait... I just read your title. :D If you would have bothered to read my first post you would know that I spent many a year smoking. I had it all in one post but there was a character limit to the post size. Anyway, Jerseydevil is correct that I was providing what the U.S. government, which is and has been very anti-marajuana, and also some alternative points. I also provided a bit on the U.S. 'drug war' in South America. Sorry if it all was too much and confused you Sween. :D At least Cirdan made an attempt at refuting the Surgeon General's statement :D:rolleyes: :) :cool:

Only an old Stoner could be that forgiving;)

[jerseydevil]

I never read Sween's Title before. :) Did you request "im quite stupid" or did one of the admin's bestow that on you? :D

[Sween]

i requested it myself. Gits my twisted sence of humor well :D .

Smoking probably does shorten my life as do a lot of things i do but you know lifes worth living isnt it :D

[Sween]

i requested it myself. fits my twisted sence of humor well :D .

Smoking probably does shorten my life as do a lot of things i do but you know lifes worth living isnt it :D

[Cirdan]

Originally posted by Snowdog
...At least Cirdan made an attempt at refuting the Surgeon General's statement

I did know what you were getting at, so I justed hacked the Sturgeon General's bit. You'd think by now the propanganda would have gotten better.

It is amusing the attributes given to pot that are just subjective. It preys on weak minds. I had a fellow tell me he liked to smoke pot in high school and it made him a lazy %$#@. I told him that maybe he was just a lazy %$#@ that liked to smoke pot.

What is worse for you, pot or prison?

[Renille]

This whole debate boils down to "I want it!" "No, it's bad!" "NO!"
"Yes!" "No it isn't bad!" "YES IT IS!!!" "SHUT UP" "YOU!"

:p Okay, so maybe it's not there quite yet...but my point is this. There will always be people who want to go against an already-standing law and people (ME) who like the law the way it is. BOTH POINTS OF VIEWS ARE OKAY TO HAVE!!! :p (And that point was reaaaaaaly an unpoint!)
I don't believe in marijuana. I've seen kids at my school who use it, and even though some were smart, they are usually the ones who could care less. One of the party-er types in my Latin class told me once- "Don't drink or do drugs. Before I started,I used to get a 4.0,too." This, to me, is the statement that pegged "Just Say NO" in my head. Government officials will probably never legalize this drug, like JD said. To me, that's okay.

Thus ends another point trying to get accross and dying in the process.:D

[Snowdog]

Well, as we said in the 70's... 'Why?' Is a 4.0 really necessary? It is only for the capitalist establishment.' :D Anyway... I was a 2.2 studend before pot, and I was a 2.4 student after pot, so it made little difference in my scholastic learning ability, and I found alternative things to learn that have served me well through life.

As far as my opinion on pot being legal, I have mixed thoughts on it. :D

[markedel]

Perhaps but there are people in more dorm who waste time getting high when they could be doing work. I suppose you could argue "who cares" but when you or someone who cares about you is paying tutition the least you can do is moderate your drug use. I don't oppose its legalization, and I've done it before but I can't help but agree that it can demotivate.

[azalea]

I have mixed feelings about legalization. On the one hand, I don't care if people grow and smoke it for personal use, but I care very much if they then go out and drive. Or perform surgery (Renille, I'd definately want you as my doctor!). Yes, it's the same with drinking, but as far as I know there's no breathalizer for it, and it has different effects than alcohol, so field sobriety tests would be hard unless the person was really stoned. So that would be a worry.
It would definately be nice to tax it, more revenue for other stuff from something people are doing anyway. But smoking it should be illegal because it damages the lungs worse than cigarettes. Eating it is much better. That way there's no public costs from cancer, yada yada yada.
So I'm basically in the middle on this one. If it could be regulated well and people could guarantee they'd be responsible, then no problem, but on the other hand, I don't want some stoner flying my plane, teaching my kid, preparing my meal at a restaurant, etc. I think we're better off as a society if people are just happy with living life without having to used artificial means of pleasure, blah blah, blah.
:D

[entss89]

i think its bad bad bad to have drugs anywhere they could take them wronge and be all screwed up!

[azalea]

Well, I just wrote a very poignant post that can never be recreated, and then got kicked off the internet just as I was about to post it, but the jist (sp?) of it was that I agree that it messes people up. And that is because I've known several people who were. Guess which drug they started with? But legalization is a tough issue because so many factors are involved. Yes, it's bad for you. But do people deserve the stiff punishments they get for something that doesn't hurt anyone but themselves (barring the driving, etc. issue)? I don't know that it's any worse than alcohol in that respect, except that its effects are different. But then someone could make that argument about other drugs, so I just don't know.

[Cirdan]

Education is an important way of preventing drug abuse. Those that are inclined, however, will use anything to get high. People will do solvents, propenants, toads:eek: . Some maybe a structured environment where it is regulated and discouraged (deincentivized by allowing things like hiring discrimination to continue, restrictions on driving, etc. If someone asks you if you want to get high and you have to think about it, you definitely shouldn't. In a perfect would no one would want to get high. As it is we should strive to find a balance between prohibition aand no inhibition.

[gimli7410]

personally i have done pot and a lot of my friends do it. but when i do it i get totally relaxed and if i do it every two weeks then i work better in school and i have a good time doin it. i dont think it screws you up only if you do it every day

[Millane]

oh my god i thought you were like 12 or something. god i hope thats not right... bah pots overrated unless you are a Rastafarian.
it makes you work better at school does it:rolleyes: hahaaha nice one:rolleyes:

[gimli7410]

no im 14. and i was getting 47 percent in math and in two weeks i am now getting 61. haha

[gimli7410]

ya i geuss im a bit young but meh kim not a hardcore user any ways

[Millane]

ok fair enough 14 not as bad as 12 i guess :p do you really think doing pot is making you work better... sounds like a mate trying to convince me pot is good for you and you are being unhealthy not doing it... ive done it, didnt really do much... ive just seen a heap of pot smokers go bad and start with ecstacy, chrystal meth, acid and all that ****... ohhh well as far as im concerne personal choice so have a good one.:D

[gimli7410]

well i used to be really stressed out about math but i had some ideas when i was high which i cant remember but it helped me. im not saying it is unhealthy to not do it but it does allow you a fun time. but its the users choice

[gimli7410]

and i already kno i am never gonna do shrooms because i kno those mess yoou up and trust me i have been offered them.

[Coney]

Originally posted by gimli7410
but i had some ideas when i was high which i cant remember

Up until a few years ago that was the story of my life:D

Smoke won't make ya anymore intelligent......you may feel more intelligent however;)

[gimli7410]

well i might remeber them i just dont kno it

[Coney]

Originally posted by gimli7410
well i might remeber them i just dont kno it

Keep smoking gimli, I can see it's really working out for ya;):D

[Elvellyn]

I think pot should still be illegal. It's bad for you. A guy at my school is getting expelled for bringing pot to school.

My point is, when you're high off of anything you can be a danger to the people around you. That's why it should stay illegal.

[Elvengirl]

I hope your joking Coney.
I have never done drugs, smoking, or drinking of any kind. Nor do I ever want to. No good can ever come from it and I personally don't see why anyone would ever start. I find it sad if one needs to take something to feel a little pleasure in their life.

[gimli7410]

Originally posted by Coney
Keep smoking gimli, I can see it's really working out for ya;):D
see coneys on my side.:D

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by gimli7410
see coneys on my side.:D
If you think so - then I know the pot has really gone to your head :D

[gimli7410]

now im probably the bad guy in this thread:p

[BeardofPants]

"You can stump any stoner with one question: What were we just talking about?"

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Love the quote, BoP. :D

[gimli7410]

you know what i cant remember what i did like two weeks ago when i smoke up and im beginning to get scared

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by gimli7410
now im probably the bad guy in this thread:p
Not in my eyes at least. Never smoked it - but have seen enough people do. It's funny how they THINK they're more in control than they actually are.

Funny one BoP. :D

[gimli7410]

it is actuallty really funny watching your friends make idiots out of them selves especially when it is not weed. i once gave my friend parsley and he let me punch him in the fac eand he actually thought he was stoned. maybe you think you stoned but really your not.

[Elvellyn]

My sister's friend passed out when she was smoking *something* and the girls she was smoking with dyed her hair. So, among other things, pot can make you have black hair for a few weeks.

[gimli7410]

ahhh now were getting into stories of past experiences with drugs. sounds like fun

[Elvellyn]

No, I have no past experiences with drugs. I was just pointing out yet another negative effect of drugs.

[gimli7410]

i wouldnt call that negative it sounded funny.

[Elven Archer]

I wouldn't call passing out funny. but that's just me.

They did a study with twins and most of the ones that did marijuana went on to do more powerful and more dangerous drugs.
another study they did was with passenger jet pilots. they had them each land the plane on a line. they all landed right on the line. Then they had them smoke just a little marijuana and then two weeks later land again. None of them came close to the line.

[gimli7410]

well me and my friends leaned how to pass each other out but dont do it often

[Baby-K]

Originally posted by gimli7410
well i might remeber them i just dont kno it

Sure has done wonders for your spelling abilities ;)

another study they did was with passenger jet pilots. they had them each land the plane on a line. they all landed right on the line. Then they had them smoke just a little marijuana and then two weeks later land again. None of them came close to the line.

Who moved the line?

well me and my friends leaned how to pass each other out but dont do it often

Wouldn't do that if I were you, it could lead to some serious problems.

Erm, lemme at least attempt to make a comment that vaguely resembles something on topic:

*what's the topic anyway? :confused: *

[Millane]

another study they did was with passenger jet pilots. they had them each land the plane on a line. they all landed right on the line. Then they had them smoke just a little marijuana and then two weeks later land again. None of them came close to the line.
so... i fail to see your point, if marijuana was legalised i think it would be like other drugs (prescription, alcohol etc) and you wouldnt be able to fly under the influence anyway... i dnt really see how that works 2 weeks later that lost me:confused:
now im probably the bad guy in this thread
nah your not... ill stick up for you... it gets me really annoyed that alcohols so readily accepted yet the minute pot is mentioned everyone whinges... what is the lesser evil a) someone getting high and having a good time with mates or b) getting trashed and going home and beating your wife... if that sounds like i want alcohol illgalised (hahahaha is that word) thats not what i mean... i think it would just be better if lots of things were legalised.

[Elven Archer]

Originally posted by Millane
so... i fail to see your point, if marijuana was legalised i think it would be like other drugs (prescription, alcohol etc) and you wouldnt be able to fly under the influence anyway... i dnt really see how that works 2 weeks later that lost me:confused: well my point wasn't really about the flying, it was more about the fact that after they smoked just a little bit it was still affecting them 2 weeks later. I guess i was trying to point out how harmful it is. now im probably the bad guy in this thread and just so ya know...i don't think your the bad guy either.

[gimli7410]

well heres my actual personal opinion on legalising marijuana. once they do i they will add more crap into it just like they did with ciggarettes,making it more addictive and they will raise the price. it wont be as fun for kids so they will move on to different drugs for the adrenaline rush and the high.

[Insidious Rex]

Actually the price will drop considerably. Supply and demand. If no one is going to throw you in jail for just possessing it then it becomes a lot easier to produce and sell. Imagine going down to your neighborhood quickie mart and picking up some ice cream and some eggs and oh gimme a pack of the Jamaican Kind Bud too. No make it two packs. And all that is $10. Pretty cool huh.....

Ok I have a related question for those of you in a position to know: how available are drugs in whatever area of the world you reside in? Im just curious if its easy everywhere or if obtaining is different in different places. Most kids here can get it through school friends easily enough. Is that true in other parts of america and in other countries?

[gimli7410]

i live in b.c. and supposedly we have the best bud and it is easy to get. if you kno where to get it though. i know a guy who actually delivers it to your door but i dont kno if it is like that in america

[Millane]

i guess it all depends on who you know... i live in Bendigo about an hour and a half away from Melbourne and i could get marijuana and speed pretty readily if i wanted it. but thats just coz im friends with a bloke thats in on all that. down in melb you can get anything and all it requires is cash and going down to the commission flats (which is in itself a measure of how determined you are to get drugs) but yeah if i wanted anything in a hurry it would have to be pot or speed but if i was prepared to wait well till i went down to melb i guess...
i see the govt in this instance being pretty stupid... if pot were legalised a) less people would smoke it (as happened in sweden or switzerland or one of them countries up that way) and b) they would be able to tax and get a bit more money in there grubby little hands.

[markedel]

I'm at University-it's easy to get pot. Hell I can walk to the room down the hall...

[Millane]

ummm i dont see if that is a good point or bad... all the people i know (a few exceptions) are filthy animals and i dont like going near them let alone having to live near them...
well my point wasn't really about the flying, it was more about the fact that after they smoked just a little bit it was still affecting them 2 weeks later. I guess i was trying to point out how harmful it is.
and my point is what in god's name were they smoking to be that ****ed 2 weeks later

[gimli7410]

yea i dont think that test is real. i just did some last nite;) and i can still focus on anything. i think they probably made it up to try get kids not to use it.

[markedel]

Yeah. Pot should not affect you like that 2 weeks later. Constant chronic use is bad for you-but one time wouldn't have grave pysiological effects.

[gimli7410]

wanst sure if i should of started a new thread about this but i was wondering how much weed is to much weed. i mean i do it every weekend and i dont usually do like 2 joints like i used to but more like 4-5 but all in a bong. just wondering if any vetran smokers have advice

[Insidious Rex]

Originally posted by gimli7410
wanst sure if i should of started a new thread about this but i was wondering how much weed is to much weed. i mean i do it every weekend and i dont usually do like 2 joints like i used to but more like 4-5 but all in a bong. just wondering if any vetran smokers have advice

too nuch weed for what? could it be damaging you physically? of course. the less you smoke the less you risk damaging yourself. could it be addicting you psychologically? sure. try not smoking at all for like a month and see how you feel. if its easy for you then yer most likely fine with what yer doing. if its hard or it makes you feel like crap physically and/or mentally then it could be the sign of a problem. if just the thought of not smoking gives you the creeps then yeah yer a serious pot head. watch out. pot is definitely a routine drug. its not physically addicting like nicotiene but once it becomes something you always do as a routine its easy to become psychologically adictive. but smoking it in a bong throuh water is better for you physically then smoking it in joints. less lung damage.

[Ruinel]

Smoking pot can be damaging to your lungs. Just as smoking anything could be. However, I do not feel it is addicting chemically, as cigarettes.

I've smoked pot since high school, but I've never been addicted to it. It's funny, I do not smoke cigarettes, can't stand them.

I've smoked pot from a bong a few times. I'd have to say that most of the time it is in the form of a joint when I smoke it. The amount I smoke might be 3 times a year or less and only with friends, socially.

Has it affected me intellectually, no. Is it any worse than alcohol, no. Has it led to more harmful and addicting drugs, no. However, IR is correct. Smoking pot can become addicting through routine use. Go without it for one month and see how you feel about not smoking it. If you could take it or leave it, then there's no problem for you. If you can not go one month without it, you have a problem.

To the subject of this thread: I do not have a problem with pot being legalized, since it is less addicting than cigarettes, which is legal.

[gollum9630]

If you think about, by legalizing pot, or making e punishment for carying or doing (not selling) lighter, it will cost you less tax money when you have to take these people to court and charge them with possesion. Traffikers should have more severe puishment though IMO

[gimli7410]

Originally posted by Ruinel
Go without it for one month and see how you feel about not smoking it. If you could take it or leave it, then there's no problem for you. If you can not go one month without it, you have a problem.


wow i kept thinking one month. its not that i couldnt do it it is that i go to my friends house and they always have it. i got a friend who wants me to sell his hash for him too.but when im at my friends house, he is hardocre smoker. he has a five foot bong, glass bong and plastic bong which we use all the time. ill take the test of one month and see how that goes.

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by gimli7410
... i got a friend who wants me to sell his hash for him too....
Don't sell it! If you get caught, it's your friggin' neck, not his. It's one thing to smoke pot occasionally, and another to start dealing.

I'm glad you're going to test yourself for one month.

[gimli7410]

Originally posted by Ruinel
Don't sell it! If you get caught, it's your friggin' neck, not his. It's one thing to smoke pot occasionally, and another to start dealing.

I aint really dealing(well yea i am:rolleyes:) but im sort of transporting for him. im never gonna deal

[Ruinel]

That is really a bad idea. You should not transport nor deal. The penalties are far harsher than for someone who just gets caught with a joint.

[GrayMouser]

Originally posted by gimli7410
I aint really dealing(well yea i am:rolleyes:) but im sort of transporting for him. im never gonna deal

Well, you see, officer, it's not really mine...:(

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by gimli7410
I aint really dealing(well yea i am:rolleyes:) but im sort of transporting for him. im never gonna deal
It's all in small incriments. Too bad you can't talk to my friend Jason - see how many times he said "I'll never do this..." and then he'd do it and then "We I'll never do that..." then he'd do it. Finally he was shooting up with heroin (Something he absolutely swore he would NEVER do). I'm not saying that everyone ends up getting as bad as him - buyt you're already justifying things and saying you'll never do this or that. You seem to be on the same track as him. He also said he'd never sell - but I know sometimes he did.

[gimli7410]

this guy just wanted me to find someone who would buy it and i found someone but he doesnt knowhim so im taking it to him except my friend is giving me somem money

[Ruinel]

Yyyyyeah... that's what is called dealing.

See? You find a buyer and you bring the buyer the dope. Not good. Not good at all.

Edit: I wanted to give you an example of how I am not addicted at all. There's pot in my house and I know it's there, and I do not want to smoke it. (I could use a beer though.) :p Now, ask yourself if you could do that?

[gimli7410]

Originally posted by Ruinel
Yyyyyeah... that's what is called dealing.

See? You find a buyer and you bring the buyer the dope. Not good. Not good at all.

Edit: I wanted to give you an example of how I am not addicted at all. There's pot in my house and I know it's there, and I do not want to smoke it. I could use a beer though. :p

fine well call it dealing:rolleyes: :p . but im not doing it after. right now i have shake in my house and im not smoking it either so im not addicted but shake is pretty weak so im not sure

[gollum9630]

In BC they just made possesing small amounts legal, so i guess thats a small step to decrimilaizing it

[Insidious Rex]

Originally posted by gollum9630
In BC they just made possesing small amounts legal, so i guess thats a small step to decrimilaizing it

works for me. what do they consider a "small amount"?

[azalea]

Originally posted by gimli7410
wanst sure if i should of started a new thread about this but i was wondering how much weed is to much weed. i mean i do it every weekend and i dont usually do like 2 joints like i used to but more like 4-5 but all in a bong. just wondering if any vetran smokers have advice

Yes, I have some advice, but first a question. What is your GPA? If it's below a 3.0. then stop smoking it until you have at least a 3.0. I have known too many people who ruined their future opprtunities because of pot. First it was only on weekends with other peoples' stuff. Then it was their own stuff. Then they'd smoke it during the week. Then they'd come to school stoned. Then they'd smoke it AT school, or skip school to get high. Some of them even dropped out, none of them went to college. You SEVERELY limit yourself when you do not take the fullest advantage of your education. I don't care if what you want to do doesn't require this or that -- it's the fact that you'll have CHOICES. So whatever you decide, NEVER let it get in the way of your schooling. TRUST me.
If you start to feel like getting high is controlling your life (in little ways -- it's hard to explain without it sounding like a big deal, it's much more subtle than that -- but if you begin to eschew other activities because it will get in the way of buying or smoking pot), STOP. It isn't worth it!!! Also, be very careful about hanging out with people who smoke it too frequently, because you will probably be influenced by them. Again, it is subtle. Trust your gut feelings.

Secondly, know that smoking it WILL hurt your lungs. I recommend eating it. It is stupid IMO to suck smoke into your lungs. It is harmful. You're killing off all your nice, pink alveoli. Who knows what other body systems it might affect, because not enough is known about it.

I hope you find clarity in this matter.

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by gollum9630
In BC they just made possesing small amounts legal, so i guess thats a small step to decrimilaizing it
*packs bags* So, can I bunk at your place until I get a place of my own? :p

[Macka]

By azalea~ Yes, I have some advice, but first a question. What is your GPA? If it's below a 3.0. then stop smoking it until you have at least a 3.0. I have known too many people who ruined their future opprtunities because of pot. First it was only on weekends with other peoples' stuff. Then it was their own stuff. Then they'd smoke it during the week. Then they'd come to school stoned. Then they'd smoke it AT school, or skip school to get high. Some of them even dropped out, none of them went to college. You SEVERELY limit yourself when you do not take the fullest advantage of your education. I don't care if what you want to do doesn't require this or that -- it's the fact that you'll have CHOICES. So whatever you decide, NEVER let it get in the way of your schooling. TRUST me.

I don't know about the part about EATING pot, but I agree with this statement. Pot is stupid and it CAN ruin your life.

[Lizra]

Advice from a veteran smoker...quit! Better yet, don't start. Being normal (not high) is good enough, and less confusing. :)

[Sween]

i had a most bizzar experience the other week. After been down the pub my mates all went up to the park to get high. I went along cos well summet to do isnt it. I just felt so stupid sat on swings as they skinned up (i dont smoke myself dont like it give me a bad head and makes my throat hurt). It just is such a kiddie thing to do really isnt it i mean im a father for god sake

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by Macka
I don't know about the part about EATING pot, ...
Pot brownies. :)

[Sween]

Originally posted by Ruinel
I don't know about the part about EATING pot, ...
Pot brownies. :) [/B][/QUOTE]

Have to admit Pot choclate rise crispies are pretty damned nice. Mind u they are just as nice without the pot

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by Sween
Have to admit Pot choclate rise crispies are pretty damned nice. Mind u they are just as nice without the pot
:D pm me the recipe.

[Sween]

Originally posted by Ruinel
:D pm me the recipe.

bloody hell i dont rember how to make them ussually too stoned :D

[Ruinel]

damn!

[gollum9630]

Originally posted by Insidious Rex
works for me. what do they consider a "small amount"?

not sure. i think its 5 grams

[Lizra]

Originally posted by Sween
i had a most bizzar experience the other week. After been down the pub my mates all went up to the park to get high. I went along cos well summet to do isnt it. I just felt so stupid sat on swings as they skinned up (i dont smoke myself dont like it give me a bad head and makes my throat hurt). It just is such a kiddie thing to do really isnt it i mean im a father for god sake

Yeah, I agree. It's really kind of a time waster. I don't have time to waste anymore! :)

[gimli7410]

Originally posted by Sween
Have to admit Pot choclate rise crispies are pretty damned nice. Mind u they are just as nice without the pot

u had rice crispies too. i had some but we didnt have peanut butter or marsh mallow so we used choclate chips:D

[gimli7410]

Originally posted by azalea
Yes, I have some advice, but first a question. What is your GPA? If it's below a 3.0. then stop smoking it until you have at least a 3.0.

my gpa is 3.42 and it has raised actually a bit since i started which is odd if you think about it.:confused:

[Lizra]

It will go down eventually , if you keep numbing your mind.

[gimli7410]

or will it? i mean im never feel really affected in school after i do it on the weekend, i also do my homework on the weekend which isnt hard to do and i have done it every week since school started and i havent found it hard at all. but i geuss veteran smoker knows best. im still on that 1 month no weed thing suggested by IR.

[azalea]

Originally posted by gimli7410
im still on that 1 month no weed thing suggested by IR.

That's good since you just started it last night hey?!;)

Good for you on the gpa! :cool: Make sure it stays that way!:)

[zinnite]

I was only an occasional smoker until last august when my appendix burst, and then i started smoking daily (after the surgery, of course). it helped. a lot.

from about then to the end of this past march i was smoking 3-4 times every day (plus frequent brownie binges). most of that occurred during my final semester of grad school coursework, and it didn't negatively affect my grades or work at all. my GPA even went up.

it's not good for everyone, but it sure worked for me. i haven't smoked i almost six months, though, and i really don't miss it. i couldn't do it now anyway if i wanted to, since my job requires me to be fully responsible for the lives of several people (plus if i got caught i would lose my employer-provided housing, which is definitely not worth the risk).

some people can handle it, most can't--just like all currently-legal drugs.

[Hasty Ent]

Gosh, I see nothing wrong with occasional and responsible use. I had my first joint when I was 14 and smoked my way through high school, managing to stay on the honor roll for all four years. I'm now 40 and rarely smoke, although I usually have some in the house.

One of my favorite ways to spend an evening: a glass of premier cru burgundy, a spliff, and a James Bond film (preferably w/Sean Connery). :D

[Insidious Rex]

yer lucky. personally I have found pot is a lot less fun as I have grown older. I think my brain chemicals have changed or something because when I was a teenager it was so much fun to get as high as you could. Now it just makes me feel paranoid and stupid and everybody looks ugly. So if I do it its rarely and its usually alone (unless Im using it to enhance.... well nevermind... ). Either that or I end up doing it when Im drunk anyway which is a waste. Youll smoke an old shoe if someone sticks it in your mouth when yer drunk. :rolleyes:

[Hasty Ent]

Interesting, IR. As I got older I found that my 'indulgences' became moderate. Not because I needed to be more responsible, but simply because I was no longer interested in getting sick. (I had more responsibilities as a teenager than I do now as an adult.)

It's not a matter of controlling the desires, only finding that I'm satisfied with 'just enough' and stopping there.

and, yeah, it does enhance certain activities... ;)

[Sheeana]

Originally posted by Insidious Rex
Youll smoke an old shoe if someone sticks it in your mouth when yer drunk. :rolleyes:

I've only ever gotten high while drunk. Even spotting doesn't do it for me. I must be abnormal. :rolleyes: Not that it really matters, since I don't really like the feeling that I get from doing dope. I much prefer the feeling of being hyper than dopey.

[Lizra]

Originally posted by Insidious Rex
yer lucky. personally I have found pot is a lot less fun as I have grown older. I think my brain chemicals have changed or something because when I was a teenager it was so much fun to get as high as you could. Now it just makes me feel paranoid and stupid and everybody looks ugly. So if I do it its rarely and its usually alone (unless Im using it to enhance.... well nevermind... ). Either that or I end up doing it when Im drunk anyway which is a waste. Youll smoke an old shoe if someone sticks it in your mouth when yer drunk. :rolleyes:

Ha ha! So true! Driving while stoned? Bad idea. So you're stuck till it wears off. :mad: Besides, getting stoned gets just as boring as anything else. :eek:
Out in public, it's paranoid all the way! You feel like you've got a sign on that says "slow and stupid!" :D
The thing is Gimli...if you like just smoking on weekends, you will probably push that up to weeknights eventually. Better off just discovering the simple joys of "normalness". ( remember NORML The National Organization for the Legalizalization of Marijuana! or something like that...er I can't remember.... :rolleyes: :D )

Hasty Ent, you are the rare exception! ;) I wish I could get away with that! But when I find I like something, my natural inclination is to keep doing it, even if it's a deceptive "something" which turns bitter and empty as the years go by. Let's not even talk about the money wasted and the breaking the law part, where I live at least. Drugs...nah! :cool:

[Hasty Ent]

Originally posted by Lizra
But when I find I like something, my natural inclination is to keep doing it, even if it's a deceptive "something" which turns bitter and empty as the years go by.

Hmm, Lizra, I never thought of you as a teetotaler. :eek:

I guess I think of pot as no different than any other recreational drug (and yes, I include alcohol and caffeine in that category). I have a small wine cellar, and keep a stocked bar, but neither needs constant replenishment. Having something I enjoy readily available (bourbon....mmmmm.....) doesn't mean I have it every night. In fact, I enjoy it more when I have it less often! :D

The biggest difference for me is that pot makes me mellow and introspective (it's great for listening to music or looking at art!) while alcohol just slows me down, intellectually and physically. The days of being paranoid ended with high school. Now the biggest danger if I'm out in public after smoking is the possibility of exploding in a fit of giggles. ;)

But your point earlier was right: never drive stoned, or drunk!

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by gimli7410
...im still on that 1 month no weed thing suggested by IR.
o.O
That was me. Look: page 7 (http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5731&perpage=20&pagenumber=7)
Dude, quit now. IR and I look nothing alike. (See? I have breasts and red hair. :D )


Zinnite has a point. All drugs, legal or illegal, OTC or Rx or illegal, can be abused.

I have a Rx for hydrocodone/APAP (7.5 mg/750 mg) that I keep on hand because my Rx for migraines doesn't always work and it beats going to the ER for a shot of painkillers when that happens (which I've had to do several times before). I just checked and it is currently expired (as of 9/12). I only used a few over the last year. However, I knew someone who was addicted to to this very medicine, lost her job, her house, everything. :rolleyes:

[Bombadillo]

A few years ago one guy was running for mayor of our town. He was starting his own party, the "Legalise Marijuanna Party." His occupation: lawyer and "marijuanna distributor. Before I read this, I thought it would be a good step if he was elected because he was black. He was making a bad name.

[Insidious Rex]

Originally posted by Ruinel
o.O
That was me. Look: page 7 (http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5731&perpage=20&pagenumber=7)
Dude, quit now. IR and I look nothing alike. (See? I have breasts and red hair. :D )

actually looks like I beat you by 52 minutes. ;) So who is the stoned one ms. slow poke? :D

Oh and anything with breasts and red hair is on my list of people Id prefer to get stoned with for reasons I explained earlier....

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by Insidious Rex
actually looks like I beat you by 52 minutes. ;) So who is the stoned one ms. slow poke? :D
ROFLMAO!!! :D Damn! Too many things going on at once here. :eek: Maybe I do need to smoke that pot... I'm out of it!

Oh and anything with breasts and red hair is on my list of people Id prefer to get stoned with for reasons I explained earlier....
;) Yes, I read that. :D I'm trying (very hard) to keep myself 'PG-13'. ;) You can't imagine how many times I had to write and rewrite my reply to this post.

*is a very bad she-Elf*

[Lizra]

Originally posted by Hasty Ent
Hmm, Lizra, I never thought of you as a teetotaler. :eek:

I guess I think of pot as no different than any other recreational drug (and yes, I include alcohol and caffeine in that category). I have a small wine cellar, and keep a stocked bar, but neither needs constant replenishment. Having something I enjoy readily available (bourbon....mmmmm.....) doesn't mean I have it every night. In fact, I enjoy it more when I have it less often! :D

The biggest difference for me is that pot makes me mellow and introspective (it's great for listening to music or looking at art!) while alcohol just slows me down, intellectually and physically. The days of being paranoid ended with high school. Now the biggest danger if I'm out in public after smoking is the possibility of exploding in a fit of giggles. ;)

But your point earlier was right: never drive stoned, or drunk!

Well...I loved pot. :rolleyes: Way too much. So, no can do! :D I am fine with a glass of wine or a cider at dinnertime, that is all I want, it's festive, fun...yum! :) Pot was a different story, it was too much of an artificial nirvana for me. I kept thinking about it, and wanting to escape, and it's not a good thing at that level. Knowing what I do now, I would never, ever take that first puff. Thank goodness I quit when I did!

[gollum9630]

Originally posted by Bombadillo
A few years ago one guy was running for mayor of our town. He was starting his own party, the "Legalise Marijuanna Party." His occupation: lawyer and "marijuanna distributor. Before I read this, I thought it would be a good step if he was elected because he was black. He was making a bad name.


we have the green (or marijuana) party up here in Canada. I dont think any of them have ever gotten voted in, but there intent is to legalize marijuana

[Sheeana]

Our Green Party got 5% of the vote, which is the minimun threshold. Since we run an MMP govt, they get a say in what happens in parliament. Which means that the potential is there to decriminalise dope.

[gimli7410]

Originally posted by azalea
That's good since you just started it last night hey?!;)

Good for you on the gpa! :cool: Make sure it stays that way!:)

day 3 of 1 month period:fiedns offered me to go into a hundred bag, i declined:D *holds hands in triumph*

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by gimli7410
day 3 of 1 month period:fiedns offered me to go into a hundred bag, i declined:D *holds hands in triumph*
Congratulations. I hope you can go for a whole month. Declining is a good sign though.

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by gimli7410
day 3 of 1 month period:fiedns offered me to go into a hundred bag, i declined:D *holds hands in triumph*
:D Way to go! I'm proud of you!

That really is a good start. :)

[Sheeana]

Originally posted by gimli7410
day 3 of 1 month period:fiedns offered me to go into a hundred bag, i declined:D *holds hands in triumph*

Way to go, Canuck. There's hope for you yet. :p (Note: You know you have a problem with dope when you start building submarines out of toilet rolls and cornflakes boxes...;))

[gimli7410]

Originally posted by Sheeana
Way to go, Canuck. There's hope for you yet. :p (Note: You know you have a problem with dope when you start building submarines out of toilet rolls and cornflakes boxes...;))

thanks you guys.
lol. although that submarine idea isnt too bad...:p

[Khamûl]

Originally posted by Lizra
( remember NORML The National Organization for the Legalizalization of Marijuana! or something like that...er I can't remember.... :rolleyes: :D ) Interesting that you should mention that. A group of students tried to get the first Alabama chapter of NORML organized here at Troy State. They went before the student government association asking to be recognized, but they weren't. Just figured I'd mention that. :p

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by gimli7410
thanks you guys.
lol. although that submarine idea isnt too bad...:p
It doesn't work. :( I've already tried it. :p

[Lizra]

Originally posted by Khamûl
Interesting that you should mention that. A group of students tried to get the first Alabama chapter of NORML organized here at Troy State. They went before the student government association asking to be recognized, but they weren't. Just figured I'd mention that. :p

It's a free country! I should look for old copies of "High Times" magazines on eBay. That would be a time warp! :)

[azalea]

Originally posted by gimli7410
day 3 of 1 month period:fiedns offered me to go into a hundred bag, i declined:D *holds hands in triumph*

I am so proud of you. :) That shows real maturity on your part (sticking with a goal, being able to decline the offer from your friends, etc.).

[Insidious Rex]

Originally posted by Lizra
It's a free country! I should look for old copies of "High Times" magazines on eBay. That would be a time warp! :)

oh yeah I remember High Times from when I was in college. We used to poster our walls with the killer bud "centerfolds" like the incredible losers we were when we were 19. but you know what i still have a strong desire to grow my own really good bud. I dont really desire to smoke it anymore but I like the idea of succesfully growing a small harvest of cannibis with serious buds on em. just because its something ive always wanted to do and never did it. had friends who did it. it didnt look too hard. one guy i knew who was really into Tolkien even had a strand he called Shire Weed. he had posters of bilbo smoking a pipe and all kinds of Tolkien paraphenalia all over the place. it seemed so.... romantic at the time. but i dont know. maybe i should stick with brewing my own beer for now....

[Lizra]

Oh Geez yes! :D Stick to the beer...but I know just what you're talking about. :) It was truely a romantic, "far out" little counter culture. Very childish though! :o :rolleyes: Home grown is always best! :eek:

[Hasty Ent]

My favorite book about homegrown is Budding Prospects by T. Corghessan Boyle (spelling?). Desparately funny stuff.

Still, in all seriousness, it's a very dangerous business and I don't recommend it to anyone. Knew someone once that had a very high tech operation in a high rise, complete with a motorized track so that the movement of the lamps mimicked the sun... Don't know how he got away with it, and wouldn't suggest it to anyone.

On the other hand, I don't think 'growing' it is illegal, just selling and smoking it... Does growing it constitute possession? Anyone know the law on that?

[zinnite]

The laws might vary from state-to-state, but I know in Missouri it is illegal to grow it, or even possess seeds. My former roommate, who has an undergrad degree in horticulture, tried to grow some for fun. he had a pretty elaborate set-up, but ended up dismantling it after deciding it wouldn't be worth getting busted for a few plants. i doubt it would have produced enough to really do anything with, he just wanted to see if he could do it.

i think the "crime" is cultivation, rather than possession.

[gimli7410]

actually one plant can get you close to a thousand dollars. i know a friend who grows it and i have seen the plants and he just keeps them in an industrial lot in high grass

[Millane]

Originally posted by gimli7410
actually one plant can get you close to a thousand dollars. i know a friend who grows it and i have seen the plants and he just keeps them in an industrial lot in high grass i dunno maybe its only in australia but i think the law is any more than 1 plant and you can get fined, but if its only one its legal...
i found seeds in my room yesterday that i have for no reason at all, quite a shock actually:confused:

[gimli7410]

i meant from all the bud on a plant you can sell it for 1000. but growing any weed here is a illegal

[gimli7410]

Originally posted by Millane
i found seeds in my room yesterday that i have for no reason at all, quite a shock actually:confused:

thats wierd. you got any brothers or sisters. :confused:

[gimli7410]

its the weekend and i still havent smoked.:D my friend got a hundred bag for free though for hooking some guy up with a girl though.so we gonna save it for the last day and get fireworks and have a huge party.i wont smoke much though i promise:o

[Ruinel]

You're doing great!!! :D I'm so proud of you!

[gimli7410]

awww shucks it aint nothin:p :D

[Ruinel]

It's the weekend again. I'm just curious how the month without Mary Jane is going? Are you surviving?

[Lizra]

He should be starting to "get real" again! YEA! :D Leave the vegging out for the vegetables! ;)

[gimli7410]

Originally posted by Ruinel
It's the weekend again. I'm just curious how the month without Mary Jane is going? Are you surviving?


im good, my friend made a nice new bong which he says is "sick" mmeaning good:p havent done any yet and its been in my face which was pretty hard, but im still off the chron.:D

Originally posted by lizra
He should be starting to "get real" again! YEA! Leave the vegging out for the vegetables!


lucky stoner vegetables.:p

[gollum9630]

Originally posted by Ruinel
It's the weekend again. I'm just curious how the month without Mary Jane is going? Are you surviving?

ypu'd think hed be normal by no, but he is starting to create a comedy act, and his hair is still orange, whats up with that?

[gimli7410]

hey my bit isnt bad. you laughed:p and whats with you and this racism of orange hair and its not orange, its kind of dark blonde:p

[Grey_Wolf]

If people could just slam their fists down on the table and say:

NO, I DO NOT WANT ANY DRUGS WHAT SO EVER!!!!!!

And with the need for euphoria gone, the drugdealers will have to find better ways to make money.

[Lizra]

Originally posted by gimli7410
im good, my friend made a nice new bong which he says is "sick" mmeaning good:p havent done any yet and its been in my face which was pretty hard, but im still off the chron.:D




lucky stoner vegetables.:p

I know what you mean! :) BUT....you will progress and they will stagnate (in the long haul...which is what life is) Be glad you are learning how to deal with the real world. They unfortunately, are learning how to escape, which at your young "age of discovery" with great personal deeds yet to be done, is sad.

[gimli7410]

anyone knnow how much longer till my month things is over. im lost now:o

[GrayMouser]

Just a passing note:

Monday, September 15, 2003:
CANADIAN BAKIN': Ha! Ha! The "Official" Canadian Government medical marijuana turned out to be a little less than high quality.

"Some of the first patients to smoke Canada's government-approved marijuana say it is "disgusting" and they want their money back.

Health Canada, the federal health department, started selling marijuana in July to bring relief to patients suffering from AIDS, cancer and other diseases. The move followed a court order that patients should not be forced to get their marijuana from drug dealers on the streets.

But some of the first to buy the government's marijuana say it is no good.
"It's totally unsuitable for human consumption," said Jim Wakeford, 58, an AIDS patient in Gibsons, British Columbia.

Wakeford and Barrie Dalley, a 52-year-old Toronto man who uses marijuana to combat the nausea associated with AIDS, are returning their 1-ounce bags, and Dalley is demanding his money back — about $195 plus taxes. Wakeford is returning his unpaid bill for two bags with a written complaint.

The marijuana is being grown for Health Canada deep underground in a vacant mine section in Flin Flon, Manitoba, by Prairie Plant Systems on a contract worth about $7.5 million."


No wonder it sucks. They took "bids" from a government contractor to grow this "stuf" in an abandoned mineshaft!

$7.5 million?!?!

You know how much high quality weed a half dozen stoners could produce on patch of land with that kind of money?

[jerseydevil]

GrayMouser - Well just leave it the government to waste money and produce an inferior product. What did Canadians expect from a government program - efficiency and good quality? :rolleyes:

Gimli - are you having withdrawal or something? Do you REALLY feel the need that badly to start up as soon as your month is up?

[gimli7410]

not really but my fried is getting a whole bunch of fireworks then and were gonna have a huge party so...:)

[GrayMouser]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
GrayMouser - Well just leave it the government to waste money and produce an inferior product. What did Canadians expect from a government program - efficiency and good quality? :rolleyes:



Yeah, really, especially since from what I read Canada now produces some of the best stuff around (haven't indulged myself for about 15 years- or was that 15 minutes- funny what happens to your short-term memory....)

I love that scene in Apollo 13 (a favourite movie) when they need to change the carbon dioxide filters, and Ed Harris asks why they don't just take the scrubbers from the Odyssey and put them in the LEM:

Engineer:"Because the scrubbers in the Odyssey are square and the ones in the LEM are round"

Ed: "Someone tell me I'm not working for a government outfit."

[gimli7410]

i did it!:D 1 month. i figured i wasnt addicted :p and on friday i have to debate about legalizing weed. im the leader of the debate team too:p

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by gimli7410
i did it!:D 1 month. i figured i wasnt addicted :p and on friday i have to debate about legalizing weed. im the leader of the debate team too:p
congradulations!
It's been about 2 months for me, and before that 9 months. Like I said before, I could take it or leave it. And that's good that you can do that, too.

Do yourself a favor, only use it on occasion, not every weekend like you were. It doesn't become special when you have it all the time. :)

Edit: had to keep changing the amount of months I haven't smoked. I forgot about this time or that time. As I said, it's not a big deal for me.

[azalea]

Good job! And I agree with Ruinel about your use of it in the future.:)

[Sminty_Smeagol]

I think smokers are the most fun and in general overall coolest people i know. Not cuz they do drugs but their personalities. Well let me put it this way... most cool people I know smoke pot. However, many people who smoke pot are broke losers(I include myself here lol).

I know a guy who 'quit' but last night he couldn't resist the power of the hydro... haha
poor guy. It's all my fault too. He's so obsessed with quitting. but he helps his lil bro (whos been smokin since 4th garde, now in 8th) get it still

[Insidious Rex]

Originally posted by Sminty_Smeagol
most cool people I know smoke pot. However, many people who smoke pot are broke losers(I include myself here lol).


oh is that why yer always wanting people to buy you stuff? ;)

but as far as cool people being in correlation with pot smokers well I guess it depends what you mean by cool of course. I know plenty of really mellow really easy to get along with people who smoke all the time. but i also know a lot of 0 personality wastoids who arent really worth talking with for more then a few minutes. But from what youve told me I think youve been surrounded by a lot of "dope is evil" types who also are hollier then thou and anal and nuerotic in other ways so for you the stoner crowd is a refreshing change.

[Sminty_Smeagol]

did you get my PM?

[Sminty_Smeagol]

Dude I dunno. religion and pot. People are too judgemental on smoker people. I wouldn't consider myself a 'pothead' but I do know people I would consider that. And everyone's too judgemental on them. They frequently act kinda dumb but some of them think about things, unlike all the 'I'm a christian cuz my parents say so' people who think they're better than everyone else because they're 'christians', although THEY'RE the ones running around in form-fitting clothes and being hypocritical, judgemental, self-righteous, egotistical, MORONS. I hate how christians think pot is bad. it never in the bible says that. marijuana was smoked a lot in the middle-east maybe jesus smoked it who knows. Nowhere in the bible does it say not to smoke cannabis.

"Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; that which cometh out of the mouth defileth a man." (Mat. 15:11)

And the earth brought forth grass and herb yielding seed after its kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:12)

(Cannabis is mentioned in Ex. 30:23 but King James mistranslated it as 'sweet calamus') :
Moreover, the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, 23 Take thou also unto thee principal spices, of pure myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even 250 shekels, and of qaneh-bosm [cannabis] 250 shekels, 24 And of cassia 500 shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary, and of oil olive an hin: 25 And thou shalt make it an oil of holy anointment, an ointment compound after the art of the apothecary: it shall be an holy anointing oil. 26 And thous shalt anoint the tabernacle of the congregation therewith, and the ark of the testimony, 27 And the table and all his vessels, and the candlestick ahd his vessels, and the altar of incense, 28 And the altar of burnt offerings with all his vessels, and the laver and his foot. 29 And thou shalt sanctify them, that they may be most holy: whatsoever toucheth them shall be holy. (Exodus 30:22-29)


He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth; And wine that maketh glad the heart of man and oil to make his face to shineth. (Psalm 104:14-15)

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by Sminty_Smeagol
I think smokers are the most fun and in general overall coolest people i know. Not cuz they do drugs but their personalities. Well let me put it this way... most cool people I know smoke pot. However, many people who smoke pot are broke losers(I include myself here lol)....
I don't think of myself as "cool" or uncool. It has nothing to do with whether or not I smoke pot or not. And I don't consider the people that I smoke pot with either cool or uncool. It's just whether they are good people or not.

Yeah, I'm with you on the "broke loser" pot-head types. I've known a few and managed to avoid being one. When something you enjoy on occasion becomes your only obsession or goal in life (i.e., constantly on the look for a score) then you become a "broke loser" because you aren't really enjoying the rest that life has to offer you. When that happens to you, you lose your identy and begin to conform to a certain stereotype. You live up to the label that that the "hypocritical, judgemental, self-righteous, egotistical... Christians" has for anyone who smokes weed.

I highly recommend that you avoid becoming like that ("broke loser" pot-head type). Because I think you are quite the individual ("square peg" in a "round hole" world, like I told you in pm). Stay strange! And don't let them, or anything you do, take away your individuality.

[Sminty_Smeagol]

ok can people *cough* stop trying to encourage me or whatever? Not to offend but I dunno. I don't like compliments and artificial encouragement...

but yeah. i know someone who is both a broke loser and a cool person, except for his broke loserishness. he doesnt have a license, every morning he takes his moms car, steals $140 from her bank account, drives to his dealer and gets an ounce... with his moms money and his moms car. Every day. and every day at school he mentions how he cant wait to get home and smoke. Aside from his behavior, as a person he is very interesting. but wow... its a bit extreme. It's confusing.

Personally, I think pot helps me. I've only been doing it recently, but it does help me, I think. I've always been very disorganized and I lose everything... previously, I lost both my test grade essays from english honors before I could finish them and turn them in so I'm failing that class. I was, of course, very angry, and like 'Well if I lose my work anyway, why bother turning it in? Why bother doing any work at all? I'll just tell all my teachers I want 0's in all their classes so they won't bug me to do work anymore' (I get really upset over things sometimes). Then I started smoking... and now I just do the work and if I lose it, who cares? but atleast I'm actually doing it. most of it.... heh
One example of how pot can help slightly psycho people like me.

[azalea]

I disagree, Sminty, I don't think Ruinel's encouragement was artificial at all, I believe she was being quite sincere.
The fact is that if you make self-depricating comments, people are automatically going to offer advice or encouragement, it's human nature (or socialization, depending on your philosophy, I guess;) ). If you don't wish to be the recipient of that kind of thing, my suggestion is that you avoid putting personal stuff like that in your posts. Otherwise, you can just expect that someone will respond accordingly, in which case you could just ignore it.
Likewise, if people want to compliment you in their posts, that's their right. You can either accept it graciously or, again, ignore it.

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by Sminty_Smeagol
ok can people *cough* stop trying to encourage me or whatever? Not to offend but I dunno. I don't like compliments and artificial encouragement...
Like Lizra said. And I'm probably the most least likely person to give a false compliment. O_o Mostly because I hate it when people give that false crap to me. I seem to believe criticism more than compliments from people. I know that's messed up. But that's just me. So, either take what I said or not. It's up to you. *shrugs*

[Elvengirl]

I'm not a Christian and I don't follow the bible, so frankly it doesn't matter to me what it says, whether to smoke or not. I follow common sense. Smoking is harmful. Drugs are harmful. Nothing good, whatsoever will come of it... EVER. It's proven. Maybe you feel a brief moment of being calm, happy, high, whatever it is. There are sooo many things one can to that brings about the same effect without drugging you up mentally and
physically. I find it disgusting and rather sad that people resort to such a wasteful thing to bring about some joy in their life.

quote " All the happiness you will ever find lies in you."
It's true.

As for being cool, that's a matter of opinion, but I do not find people who take drugs, smoke, etc... "cool". and I don't think much of their personalities either and yes I do consider them losers.

Sorry, if you don't agree and I understand that you don't like getting advice or compliments. But people only give it to, remember this, HELP. It's not false. So take it or not, but I sincerely hope that you decide wisely on this subject. Think about how it affects all aspect of life, not just yourself. Does it do more good than harm? And think about the future. It is what you make it. So make it good. :D

[Insidious Rex]

Originally posted by Elvengirl
Drugs are harmful. Nothing good, whatsoever will come of it... EVER. It's proven.

tell that to people with lymphoma or incurable cancer. They would beg to differ.

Drugs (in this case pot) are like anything else in life. It can be fun but it can also be a danger. treat it as such. blanket DRUGS ARE EVIL! statements like that one come off as a joke and immediatly lose credibility to anyone outside the choir you are preaching to. it comes down to knowledge and awareness. use your head. think for yourself. be rational about it. and have fun. thats all.

[The Gaffer]

Must agree with that: blanket statements are harmful, especially because when you try 'em, and you don't immediately try to fly off a building or murder your family, you realise that it's all a pile of pish.

As a result, we've got and entire culture of totally bogus views about drugs, like the idea that cannabis is harmless with potential medicinal benefits in some conditions like MS.

The reality is that cannabis IS harmful, and the evidence is just starting to appear (e.g. causing psychosis).

[Insidious Rex]

Originally posted by The Gaffer

The reality is that cannabis IS harmful, and the evidence is just starting to appear (e.g. causing psychosis).

psychosis? pot? the true harm of smoking a leaf is physical damage to your lung and intake of carcinogins I would think. which is why for medical use I support a non smokable yet effective mode of delivery. where is this evidence that pot makes you crazy?

[The Gaffer]

Well, cannabis-induced psychosis is a DSM IV classification (the official diagnostic manual of mental health professionals)

There's a bunch of cohort studies linking cannabis use with depression, anxiety and schizophrenic disorders, e.g.

British Medical Journal article (http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/325/7374/1195)

Genetic liability, illicit drug use, life stress and psychotic symptoms: preliminary findings from the Edinburgh study of people at high risk for schizophrenia (http://www.springerlink.com/app/home/contribution.asp?wasp=a5t5ad3kju6vrk9a669m&referrer=parent&backto=issue,4,9;journal,28,72;linkingpublicationr esults,id:101494,1), from Social Psychiatry and Psychiatric Epidemiology.

The research is still in its early days, but the bottom line appears to be:
- cannabis use is associated with subsequent mental health problems
(- it seems that the mental health problems don't precede the cannabis use)
- people with existing schizophrenic disorders are more likely to relapse if they take cannabis.
- there isn't any evidence to suggest that moderate cannabis use is a problem, except where there's already a mental health issue.

I think anyone who has got completely out of their gourd will also have experienced some of these sorts of symptoms. I know I have, which is why I stick to taters these days. Well, mostly.;)

[Insidious Rex]

Originally posted by The Gaffer

I think anyone who has got completely out of their gourd will also have experienced some of these sorts of symptoms. I know I have, which is why I stick to taters these days. Well, mostly.;)

those suckers are hard to smoke though.

[The Gaffer]

Smoke 'em?? I was taking 'em as suppositories.

[Elvengirl]

But what good will come of taking drugs and smoking?

Maybe it's not fatal for trying it once, but it does harm the body. And I've seen people who take that viewpoint "it's not that bad" and end up addicted and wasted all the time. I'm not saying everyone will end up that way, but it happens. It can be dangerous and should not be used as "fun".

[The Gaffer]

For sure.

The point we were making was that lots of drugs information gives an unrealistically immediate picture of the harm they cause. As a result, people don't believe it, and end up making up their own myths (like that they don't cause harm).

[Elvengirl]

Yes, that's true, people need to be educated as to what they could be doing to themselves.

[gollum9630]

time to open this up again. gimli got busted today because his friend got caught and his mom threatened to do a urine test (shes a cop) so he told her who he does it with. your thoughts

[Insidious Rex]

Originally posted by gollum9630
time to open this up again. gimli got busted today because his friend got caught and his mom threatened to do a urine test (shes a cop) so he told her who he does it with. your thoughts

his friend ratted him out? dont your parents know he already smokes pot?

[gimli7410]

Originally posted by Insidious Rex
his friend ratted him out? dont your parents know he already smokes pot?

no, but my friend is a ****in sell out and i just smoked my last joint. it will be gone for awhile now, its almost lieka routine taken out of my life like breakfast or somethin. kind like losing a firend but oh well **** happens

[gollum9630]

Originally posted by gimli7410
no, but my friend is a ****in sell out and i just smoked my last joint. it will be gone for awhile now, its almost lieka routine taken out of my life like breakfast or somethin. kind like losing a firend but oh well **** happens

yah, time for you to be able to breath again. now your lungs are gonna clear up. in the words of some movie character, "you smoke to much"

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by gimli7410
no, but my friend is a ****in sell out and i just smoked my last joint. it will be gone for awhile now, its almost lieka routine taken out of my life like breakfast or somethin. kind like losing a firend but oh well **** happens
If you consider it like losing a friend or not having breakfast - then I'd say you were doing it quite a bit. And that's not good.

[gimli7410]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
If you consider it like losing a friend or not having breakfast - then I'd say you were doing it quite a bit. And that's not good.


yeawell you know, i dont do it as much as some people i know who do it like three times a day and its probably not like losing a friend just like giving up a routine

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by gollum9630
time to open this up again. gimli got busted today because his friend got caught and his mom threatened to do a urine test (shes a cop) so he told her who he does it with. your thoughts My thoughts? Pretty freakin' cold.

[GrayMouser]

I just saw a picture in my local paper of a Vancouver street with marijuana cafes- Smokin' Seeds was one I recalled, also the Marijuana Political Party; I couldn't make out the signs- is it that open in the Old Country? What street would that be?

I haven't lived in Vancouver for almost twenty years- maybe I should move back :D

[gimli7410]

it is a pretty open buisness here. where i live we have a place called bogarts joint, hemp shop and cafe and you can just walk into the back room and is filled with pipes,bongs,rollies basically everything,thee is also a backroom to smoke in, they made it small so its easy to hotbox and no smoke can get out. you can also go to any chinese corner store and buy pipes too

[gollum9630]

Originally posted by Ruinel
My thoughts? Pretty freakin' cold.

what, me telling you. he was gonna anyways, but he wasnt allowed on the computer because our mom was so pissed so i posted it for him

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by gollum9630
what, me telling you. he was gonna anyways, but he wasnt allowed on the computer because our mom was so pissed so i posted it for him
I mean it was cold that his friend ratted him out.

[gimli7410]

Originally posted by Ruinel
My thoughts? Pretty freakin' cold.



god am i ever slow i thought you were talkin about the weather or somethin :p. my friend was smoking with my other friend whose parents dont care and he could of said he got weed from him, my friend said he could of cared less he said it, he was already calling window seat in the cop car.:p

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by gimli7410
god am i ever slow i thought you were talkin about the weather or somethin :p. my friend was smoking with my other friend whose parents dont care and he could of said he got weed from him, my friend said he could of cared less he said it, he was already calling window seat in the cop car.:p So, did you actually get busted? Or what?

[gollum9630]

Originally posted by Ruinel
I mean it was cold that his friend ratted him out.


oh, i thought u meant it was cold that i posted it here, which u guessed already :p

[gimli7410]

Originally posted by Ruinel
So, did you actually get busted? Or what?

well my friend(josh the guy who ratted me out) and my other friend dustin got busted and dustin was okay with it but josh was freakin out and so he said i got him the weed(which i did) but dustin said he could tell his mom he got it for him but he told his mom i did and that i always supply him which i dont, but whatever its all behind me:p

[Khamûl]

Originally posted by gimli7410
god am i ever slow i thought you were talkin about the weather or somethin :p. See kids? Don't do drugs. :p

[gollum9630]

Originally posted by Khamûl
See kids? Don't do drugs. :p

he was slow even before he did drugs :p :D

[Insidious Rex]

Originally posted by gollum9630
he was slow even before he did drugs :p :D

so hes even slower now?

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by Insidious Rex
so hes even slower now?
oh... sad... very sad. :D

[gimli7410]

wait is this all about me:confused: :p j/k. i was pretty slow to begin with and i dont think weed has made me slower just more chill:D

[Sminty_Smeagol]

Originally posted by Ruinel
I don't think of myself as "cool" or uncool. It has nothing to do with whether or not I smoke pot or not. And I don't consider the people that I smoke pot with either cool or uncool. It's just whether they are good people or not.

Yeah, I'm with you on the "broke loser" pot-head types. I've known a few and managed to avoid being one. When something you enjoy on occasion becomes your only obsession or goal in life (i.e., constantly on the look for a score) then you become a "broke loser" because you aren't really enjoying the rest that life has to offer you. When that happens to you, you lose your identy and begin to conform to a certain stereotype. You live up to the label that that the "hypocritical, judgemental, self-righteous, egotistical... Christians" has for anyone who smokes weed.


I know I replied to this already but yeah. re-reading some posts her and I guess I didn't really address it. I *don't* do the whole 'cool people have these traits' and 'uncool people have these traits'-in terms of clothing, status, looks, popularity and such. Losers(as labeled by society.... the people pretty people dont talk to) are some of the coolest people, beautiful people really. Awesome, if they had better looks and in result better social skills they could be really... I dunno... Many of them who don't try to aspire to what society says is cool... wonderful character. Individuals. I like helping them out a little.... especially with the guys. A little female interaction and encouragement that isn't pushing on them to be like the mainstream, 'popular' kids can do wonders. A lot of the guys are still stuck in the 'well girls would like me if I acted THIS way', because, well, a lot of girls are superficial like that. I know some kickass kids who are wayyy underappreciated.

I mean for me I think someone is cool if I respect them for their minds and personality. The very few kids my age who, that I know of, actually think and are deep (and not full of bs just to sound smart) or not conforming to what other people expect them to be like... most of these kids smoke pot. I don't know why. Maybe they have a harder time with being in the environment of someone their ages, dunno. Yeah you're probably like well you must be pretty stupid to wilingly hurt your body/lungs/whatever. I guess that means they dont really care. Eating cake is bad for you...

The only reason I'm a broke smoker is because I'd be broke anyways, whether I smoke or not. I'm too young for a job and I make money doing chores around the house, which I reedily spend on cd's or cheap jewelry anyways. So buying a blunt a week makes me broke for that week....

I dunno what my deal is. I'm pretty much sexaphobic but when it comes to everything else, I don't really care. I'll probably stop indulging in pot at all, eventually. But sometimes it's all I can do to keep my brain from eating itself

[Ruinel]

Sminty, you brought up some good points. To see beyond the physical is a precious gift. Beauty is inside.

[Snowdog]

I had a smoke before the Two Towers Premiere in Dec 2002 when Luthien, some 17 year old cutie dressed up for the costume contest (An a winner by the way) lit up and passed it to me. Suddenly it was 1976 again... when the de-criminalization debate and all was going on then. Many states de-criminalized it, and today with the current medical aspects being passed in the states it has given rise to the debate again.

The trouble is the feds have it as a schedule 1 narcotic, so that over-rules any state laws when push comes to shove in court.
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[Snowdog]

For my 420th post I though tI would bump this fine discussion. :D

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

For my 420th post I though tI would bump this fine discussion. :D
good choice, snowdog :D

[Snowdog]

Thanks.