Who Hates Harry Potter?

[Ma Uai: Ua Nemti]

I think it's the dumbest thing since "Instant Fire (just add water)." I don't understand all the hype. Anyone else?

[katya]

oooo! me! i dont like harry potter! i haven't seem the movies, and do not want to. the books were, um, i have read worse, but really not that great. (by the way, my teacher read them to the class [that sure was a long time ago] and i did not read them by my own free will)

[Gilrond]

I agree that it is a little hyped, but you have to admit, it is one of the more creative fantasy sagas around.

[Radagast The Brown]

it's a very nice book. I think that if it can be so famouse, there is a reason. many tolkien fans don't like HP, probably cause it's a good book, and it almost passed tolkien.

[GandalfTheWhite]

its no lord of the rings but its a very good book, a lot simpler and easier to read than tolkien

[Hrothgar]

I didn't mind it, the book, I mean. I have only read Philosopher's stone. Too simple, I like books with depth

I didn't mind the film either

[sun-star]

It's a lot deeper than in seems on the surface (if that makes any sense) but people overlook this because it's marketed at children.

[Radagast The Brown]

Harry is a complicated book in the 4th book. I didn't understand it in the first time. :o It wasn't so simple. in the third book ?I didn't understand it well too in the first time. It's not *so* easy.

[BeardofPants]

It gets a lot more complicated as the series progresses, and it gets *very* dark and gritty. Case in point, in Goblet, Cedric dies.

[cassiopeia]

I have read all the books and seen the movie. I read the books a couple of years ago, so I only vaguely remember them. I thought they were OK, not as good as Tolkien. But if they encourage kids to read, then I think Harry Potter is great. I didn't even remember Cedric dies. :)

[Radagast The Brown]

well, they weren't as good as tolkien, but they were very good. I liked them.

How do you do this grey line? :rolleyes:

[IronParrot]

Oh come on, don't even bother comparing Potter to LOTR just because they're both fantasy. That's like trying to place Sherlock Holmes next to Encyclopedia Brown.

Not the best analogy there, admittedly. Why? Because I think Harry Potter is the greatest revival of children's fantasy since Baum's Oz. At times, its whimsy emulates Roald Dahl and Lewis Carroll. It's not only a thoroughly engaging story that pulled me in so deep I couldn't put any given volume down until two in the morning, it's also cleverly and delightfully written with adorably charming prose that tickled me, and emotionally involving enough to chill me.

I firmly believe that J.K. Rowling is going to be remembered fifty to a hundred years from now as the tentpole children's author of this generation.

[Ma Uai: Ua Nemti]

How can you compare Harry Potter to Tolkien at all? It's not even close. First off, the Potter stories are for children, thus, they are rather simple. Tolkien's writings have such depth. There's no comparison in my mind.

[IronParrot]

The difference is not in depth or quality - that's subjective. At a glance, Hemingway's The Old Man and the Sea is "rather simple", but a lot of scholars seem to love analyzing it to death.

What is a clear difference between Harry Potter and Tolkien that makes them incomparable is their entire intent and register. You shouldn't compare the two for the same reason it's utterly futile to place Lewis Carroll and Charles Dickens side by side. I say that all such comparisons are bunk.

And: the intent of literature for children does not necessarily make it "simple". Easy to read on the surface, perhaps, but depth is not merely inherent in the text; rather, it is largely dependent on the perceptions of the reader.

[TinuvielChild]

I have heard Harry Potter referred to as "LotR on training wheels". Perhaps this is an accurate description, perhaps not. It all depends on your point of view. I used to think HP was a good series, nothing special, then I started reading fanfics. Now, I will not read LotR fanfics for love nor money, because that's absolutely sacrilegious, to think that one could change history. HP is a tad more flexible on that count for a few reasons:

-It's not finished
-It's much more a fantasy story, whereas LotR feels more like history
-the characters are much more childlike and fun to work with


So, now I love HP because of fanfics and because I don't try to compare it to LotR. If you think of it as a different genre from LotR, it becomes easier not to compare the two, to merely think of them as equally great stories of a different type, the way Irish music is different from Bach or Beethoven, the way ballet is different from jazz or tap.

[Human#3.141592653]

That's a lot of sensatioalism (sp??:o :( :D ) going on around that book. It can stand on it's own two feet (if it had them,) but please...
IT'S NOT THAT GREAT!
Just calm down folks...
Take a breather...

[Treebeard's apprentice]

It's marketed at children, so to me it seems sort of ....well..... childish. There's nothing wrong with children and teenagers reading it. I even know a few grandparent-aged people who love Harry, but it's definitely not for me. By the way, I did read the first book and didn't like it, so you can't blame me for not trying.

[Earniel]

I've read only the first book and I thought it really was a children's book. It wasn't bad but I can't say I was over the moon by it either. The hype's a bit overrated in my view. My sister hates HP with a vengence. She calls it 'Harry Rotter'. :rolleyes:

[Rûdhaglarien]

I like Harry Potter... not nearly as much as LotR... they're not even comparable... but it's a good story nonetheless and one of the only 'newer' books/series I like... I stick more to Dickens, Tolkien, Mary Stewart, and so many other 'older' authors that I won't bore you by mentioning them. So, maybe the fact that I actually liked a 'newer' book made me like it more... I don't know... I'm in a rambling kind of mood.

[sun-star]

I'm much more into older (as in old-fashioned) authors too, but JK Rowling's my favourite living writer, maybe because Harry Potter's quite traditional (though not unoriginal).
Since the most recent book was quite dark, and they're reported to be getting darker, the series doesn't look like it will be for children much longer.

[Rûdhaglarien]

Yeah... they do get darker. I believe, at one point, she said that she wanted her books to grow with her audience, so that the readers wouldn't get... how should I say... bored...?? I know that I won't... I hope... unless the fifth book never gets here!!:mad:

[Lanelf]

You must remember when comparing HP to LOTR, Tolkien started out with children's books. He just made his more historical-sounding (is that a word?) as he went on. I mean, look at
'The Hobbit'! It's a kid's book, and if you've ever read it then LOTR, Whoa! does it move quickly!
Lanelf.

[Silverstripe]

I like Harry Potter but I don't really take the series seriously (I might take it Siriusly but that's a different matter);)

*ducks as everyone throws tomatoes at her head for making the terrible pun*

[englishnerd]

IronParrot, good point about children's lit...I mean, C.S. Lewis said in his essay "on writing for children" that the best children's books aren't just for children...He said he read "A Wind in the Willows" in his late twenties, and didn't feel cheated for it; in fact he felt that good children's literature should grow with its reader. Chronicles of Narnia being the handiest example, (not that I'm comparing them with HP) when I first read Narnia at age 8 or 9, I loved the story, but of course did not understand the symbolism. Every time I go back and re-read, I get something new, a deeper understanding. They are the kind of books you can never outgrow, like Baum's Oz, like Montgomery's Anne and Emily series', they withstand repeated explorations by revealing new aspects as you grow. I'm not positive HP will do the same, but I do think that dismissing the genre of children's lit categorically as being shallow as so many scholars seem to do is bad logic.

[Telperion]

I thought the Harry Potter series were okay, but nowhere near LOTR of Narnia or anything like that. You read them once and you were done, if you tried to read them a second time, they were boring. I think that they got way too much press.

[Ma Uai: Ua Nemti]

I agree with the Telperion fellow.

[Aeryn]

Originally posted by GandalfTheWhite
its no lord of the rings but its a very good book, a lot simpler and easier to read than tolkien

I completely agree, Rowling did what Tolkien did. They both created their own worlds. I like both books myself. I think there is alot of hype but there is for LOTR after the movie too.

And I personally didn't think Narnia was all that great.

[Sylvee Estel]

I like Harry Potter. It got me involved in fantasy books. If it weren't for HP I'd still probably still be reading Sweet Valley Twins. Yuck.

[Miranda]

Harry Potter! Yuck! Don't want to offend anyone but finally somewhere I can vent my absolute hatred for those damn books. They're such a cheap mix of everything that's gone before. I read the first got utterly bored and tried the others but failed to get beyond chapter three! I saw a thing about the new movie on the news today and saw something about there being a giant spider in it- does anyone remember Shelob in 2Towers- coincidence? I think not. LOTR is the King of all fantasy fiction and it shall never be bettered. Even Gandalf himself could write a better tale and he's been around for God knows!! Tee hee. Mx:)

[Silverstripe]

Wow! It looks like that last comment has scared everybody off!:p

[Duddun]

When they first came out i was like 7 or 8 so they were good, but then I tried rereading them a year later and they were boring. Theres nothing that you miss really the first time that you will see the second time. I tried again last year but still deathly boring.:o

[Telperion]

Originally posted by Miranda
Harry Potter! Yuck! Don't want to offend anyone but finally somewhere I can vent my absolute hatred for those damn books. They're such a cheap mix of everything that's gone before. I read the first got utterly bored and tried the others but failed to get beyond chapter three! I saw a thing about the new movie on the news today and saw something about there being a giant spider in it- does anyone remember Shelob in 2Towers- coincidence? I think not. LOTR is the King of all fantasy fiction and it shall never be bettered. Even Gandalf himself could write a better tale and he's been around for God knows!! Tee hee. Mx:)
I don't feel quite as strongly as Miranda about Harry Potter, but I agree with her completely when she says that LOTR is the king of fantasy. i have read a lot of good books, and none of them are anywhere near as good as LOTR.

[crickhollow]

Originally posted by Telperion
I don't feel quite as strongly as Miranda about Harry Potter, but I agree with her completely when she says that LOTR is the king of fantasy. i have read a lot of good books, and none of them are anywhere near as good as LOTR. I don't think it's fair to compare Harry Potter or anything else to LotR--Tolkien is in a category all by himself. So, knowing that no other author is going to be able to do what Tolkien did, I can still enjoy their work for what it is. If I compared everything to Tolkien, I'd never read books by any other author, and that would leave me pretty ignorant.

[Claenoic]

I personally have a soft spot for Harry Potter. That got me into fantasy. It IS over hyped, it doesn't mean it's quite bad though. I'm waiting for the 5th book, since Rowling says it'll get darker. More for adults, maybe, by the 7th book. Who knows? And if you've only read the first book and said you hated it, that's a bit like generalizing, isn't it? Each book has a certain style. And once you scratch the surface, there's more underneath. Goodness, perservering is what got me halfway through The Book of Lost Tales, and then it was all downhill...

[Hanza]

Originally posted by Telperion
I don't feel quite as strongly as Miranda about Harry Potter, but I agree with her completely when she says that LOTR is the king of fantasy. i have read a lot of good books, and none of them are anywhere near as good as LOTR.
Have you notread the rest of the thread. You cant compare the two. It is an unfare comparison. LotR and HP have different styles. and i think they can both be enjoyed.

dont just read the first book and give up. They get better. I also like the films because i cant remeber everything from the book so it makes it more interesting.

I hope they get darker as i grow up so i can follow them.
I'm the same age as Daniel Radcliffe (no idea where that came from:confused: )

[Blackboar]

I think the HP books are quite boring. The films are O.K but
I cant get into the books.
They are NOTHING compared to LotR. (In my opinion anyway)

[Coney]

Hmm, wouldn't say I hated them, but I'll be in no hurry to read them again. Great characters but absolutely rubbish storyline:rolleyes:

The 4th book was especially terrible, Rowling seemed to be so confused about the plot herself that she wrote a summory (from the characters POV) as the last chapter............aaaargghh, I hate it when an author does that.......I prefer stories where actions are told as they happen, not when a character "fills in the gaps" to round it off:rolleyes: .

Maybe in the next books we'll be told less about what the characters are eating (which is all they seem to do until the bad guy turns up) and more about what is actually happening to shape the events of the tale;)

[crickhollow]

Originally posted by Blackboar
I think the HP books are quite boring. The films are O.K but
I cant get into the books.
They are NOTHING compared to LotR. (In my opinion anyway) We've been over this. HP is nothing compared to LotR because you cannot compare them. It's like comparing a lamp to the sun (hehe, Silver Chair reference)

[Silverstripe]

Originally posted by crickhollow
We've been over this. HP is nothing compared to LotR because you cannot compare them. It's like comparing a lamp to the sun (hehe, Silver Chair reference)

Oh, dear. Now I'm picturing Rowling telling fans of LotR, "You imagined a brighter and better Harry Potter and called it The Lord of the Rings..." while keeping them imprisoned underground (or perhaps in the Underground? ;))

[crickhollow]

Originally posted by Silverstripe
Oh, dear. Now I'm picturing Rowling telling fans of LotR, "You imagined a brighter and better Harry Potter and called it The Lord of the Rings..." while keeping them imprisoned underground (or perhaps in the Underground? ;))
As loyal followers of Tolkien, one of us will inevitably cry out, "I choose to belive in the Lord of the Rings whether it exists or not!" (or something to that effect ;) )

But seriously, folks. Try to judge Harry Potter by its peers, not by time-tested, proven masterpieces. What else has been published in the late 90s/early 2000 that compares with Harry Potter? Nothing. If the world of fantasy literature were a school, I wouldn't say that JKR has received the highest marks in the history of the institution, but she has darn well earned the top marks of her class. :)

[Elf.Freak]

i liked the book, hated the film! i hated it even more when people started to call 1 of my friends Harry Potter (trying to defend my friend, not HP!)


I AM A TOLKIEN FAN AND PROUD! :D :D :D

[BeardofPants]

We'll say this again, nice and clearly so the especially dim people will hopefully catch on: HP and LOTR can not be compared. :rolleyes:

[Silverstripe]

Originally posted by Elf.Freak
[B]hated it even more when people started to call 1 of my friends Harry Potter (trying to defend my friend, not HP!)

Yeah, that's annoying, I know. I have two best friends, who are also each other's best friends, and due to out respective personalities, guess what we get called?! :mad:

[Lanelf]

Ooh! I know! Is it Lucius and Draco???;) (joking, ok- whoa! Put the stick down!)
Lanelf.

[Silverstripe]

Originally posted by Lanelf
Ooh! I know! Is it Lucius and Draco???;) (joking, ok- whoa! Put the stick down!)
Lanelf.

LOL! Check your math there, Lanelf. Three of us, not just two. :D

Nah, we reserve that for the mother and daughter team who are ALMOST our arch-enemies; all the characters seem to be here, but the real person is always opposite gender to the character, I haven't a clue why.

[crickhollow]

Originally posted by BeardofPants
We'll say this again, nice and clearly so the especially dim people will hopefully catch on: HP and LOTR can not be compared. :rolleyes: Once more for the people in the back!

[Sween]

Originally posted by BeardofPants
We'll say this again, nice and clearly so the especially dim people will hopefully catch on: HP and LOTR can not be compared. :rolleyes:

very tru.........but been an esspecially dim person myself i feel i should try and find a way. hmmmmmmm they both have wizards in them? but which is the only one where the wizards can kick real ass?

[Reumandar]

I think Harry Potter is awesome. I've read them a few times, read them before LotR; I think all of you that said this are quite right(!) You cannot compare the two they are both great in there own ways; And those of you that say "oh it's to boreing couldn't pass the first one Bla bla bla..." Well that is how I was with The Narnia series Couldn't get past the first one (LWW) than one day I said to myself "Must...read..." *said in a strained voice*
and so I read it and now they are one of my fav; it was the same way with FotR, I am ashamed to admit, But it took me a long time to get past the first chapter ( or two:D ), anyway you have to read the whole thing in order to understand everything, and when you say something is stupid before you read (or do or what ever) it, you never give it a chance therfore all you can think of is "this is so stupid" and so you are forever ignorant of the great and wonderful things that whatever it was could hold.

[eowyngirl14]

I guess I am sortof comparing Lotr and Hp, but oh well...

I was a devoted HP fan before I had even heard of Lotr. I read the Hp books as they came out. I loved them. I also love the movies. (Rupert Grint is sooooooo hot!) I first read the Hobbit at the begging of sixth grade. Then I read all of the Lotr books. I know that the HP books were geared to childrean, and me being one I read them and loved them, still do. I found them a heck of a lot easier to read than Lotr, and in some ways more interesting. They moved a lot quicker and were easier to follow. The lotr books are also excellent, but they have a lot more depth and take a more developed mind to interperet and understand. I have not even atempted to read the Silmarillean (sp?) though it sits o nmy bookshelf calling me to read it. Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings are my favorite books/movies and I will not chose wich one I like the best.

[Millane]

choose goddamn you its not that hard:p
i hated it even more when people started to call 1 of my friends Harry Potter
hehehehe elf freak i dont know if you would like me then... there is this kid at school who is about 2 years younger than me but he tottally looked like HP and he was intolerable he came up and pushed me and my friends coz he knew if we beat the crap out of him we would cop it big time (one of my friends dropped him anyway hehehehe)...
ummm ive read em i thought meh... that rowling lady is so full of crap though she says she wasnt in it for the money and she just wanted to write a decent childrens novel well how come she has stopped writting them because she is off washing her notes like scrooge yeah thats right scrooge...

[eowyngirl14]

hee hee hee heeeee... You can never make me choose!:) I thin kthat they are both good books, and I will admit that lotr is over better quality than HP, but I still think HP is a very very very good book!

[BeardofPants]

Millane, you have the wrong weather in your sig. Dodgy bloody Australian.;)

[arrowgirl]

I think that Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings are both different and can not be ocmpared.
They both stand seperate.
They are boh great books that will live on for a long time.
As far as I'm concerned they both rock!!

[Elf.Freak]

Originally posted by Silverstripe
Yeah, that's annoying, I know. I have two best friends, who are also each other's best friends, and due to out respective personalities, guess what we get called?! :mad:

my friend kept saying to people who called her Harry Potter that she'd trun them into frogs:D, not that it helped much:(. i'd just ignore them (or hit them as hard as possible, as i found out that works for a while;))

[Silverstripe]

Well, it's also ridiculous. I am not a Snoodie, I'm a Dal- never mind. Please forget I said anything and go back to daily activities such as yelling at the computer for being stupid.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Yeah, the Dals are really, really cool. :D :cool:

[Silverstripe]

Well, we both know that's not our complete name, but...

*grins mysteriously and mutters something about putting a munchy under someone's chair*

[Adrian Baggins]

Originally posted by Silverstripe
I have two best friends, who are also each other's best friends, and due to out respective personalities, guess what we get called?! :mad:
Harry Ron and Hermionie???

Yah I know a friend of mine(Jennifer E. from commerce) has a friend(Rumor i don't know her lst name or place of residence at this time) and the first night we met we hit it off. My friend is like Harry(peacemaker). I am Hermionie(I love school and am like the top in my class) and Rumor is Ron. Rumor called me abnoctious and so that is like Ron saying Hermionie didn't have friends. but all is forgiven he he he

[Silverstripe]

Yeah, that's what we're called, but I've occasionally gotten into arguments with "Emma" (name changed to protect the innocent and everybody else) over which of us is who. She says I'm more like Harry and she's more like Ron; I don't agree.

Actually I'm not really "most like" any of the three characters.

Of course, Emma and I DO agree on one thing: Michael is the one most like Hermione.

[galdin]

I harry potter was a stupid movie

[eowyngirl14]

Harry Potter is my second favorite movie. Why do you think it sucks? I thought that it was pretty good! Well extremly good accualy!:)

[Silverstripe]

Originally posted by galdin
I harry potter was a stupid movie

LOL. Welcome, Galdin.

Have you come all this way just to rant about the Harry Potter movie?!

[kiwi]

yeah ! I can't stand him. I don't see what is so good about him!?

[Blackboar]

I get annoyed too. All my mates abosolutely love it!! I'm just like: Whats so good about it.

I want to know! Its not original!! And in her books it sounds as if JR dosn't know the plot herself!!

Don't get me wrong though! I thought the movie was quite funny!!

[sun-star]

And in her books it sounds as if JR dosn't know the plot herself!!

Don't you think she might want us to think believe that? :D

[Hanza]

good point sun-star

[Radagast The Brown]

I still don't understand why so many Tolkein fans don't like HP. It's a good book, as LOTR is a good book too.

[Reumandar]

Originally posted by eowyngirl14
Harry Potter is my second favorite movie.
Have you read the books?
And I don't get it either, Why LotR fans don't like it.

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Reumandar
Have you read the books?
And I don't get it either, Why LotR fans don't like it.
Ya, I have read all the books. I read the first one in fifth grade, and read the others as they were published. I am in 8th grade now and growing impatient waiting for the 5th book. I really like them. I don't see what is wrong with them. My mom thinks that they are too much like Jane Yolen's Wizard Hall. They have some similarities, but I definetly like Harry Potter better.
I thibnk that somne Lotr fans feel threatened by Harry Potter. It has the potential to become bigger than lotr, though I doubt it ever will.:)

[Gwaimir Windgem]

I don't like the Harry Potter books; but I do not in the least feel threatened by them. They do not in any respect have the potential to be bigger than LotR.

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
I don't like the Harry Potter books; but I do not in the least feel threatened by them. They do not in any respect have the potential to be bigger than LotR.

Have you read them? I think they were great! Sorry if I ofended you... about feeling threatened that is. Plenty of my friends are obsessed with Harry Potter and can't understand what is so good about Lotr!:D I think that HP does have the potential to be bigger than lotr, though it probobly never will... What don't you like about them?

[Reumandar]

WHAT :eek:
Harry Potter is awesome and all but never, I repeat NEVER could ANYTHING
Originally posted by eowyngirl14
have the potential to be bigger than lotr
:rolleyes:
(in my opinion anyway:D)

[eowyngirl14]

YES IT CAN!!!!!!!!!! HARRY POTTER ROCKS!!! :)

[Reumandar]

NO WAY MAN!!!!!:mad: *shakes fists angrily* NEVER!!! NEVEEEEEEERRRR!!!




:D :D :D :D
HA HA HA HA

[eowyngirl14]

Yes Yes Yes!!! You know it can! Who knows what madness you have spoken to the darkness? When the walls close in around you and your life seems worthless... Leave you alone? you say! Oh but you are alone! Alone because soon Harry Potter will take over the world! And all lotr fans will DIE!!

Sorry, evil genius side taking over again... won't happen agin... I swear! :)

[Ma Uai: Ua Nemti]

Ok lets not get violent now.

Besides, Lotr fans could beat Potterheads any day.

[eowyngirl14]

That's what you think!! Well, think again! *looks for wand* Ahah! *finds wand* Take this! *attemps to cast the Avada Kedarva curse* *misses, hits Aragorn poster by mistake, instead of the computer* NOoooooo! Look what you made me do!!! Poor Aragoorn!! *goes off and cries*

[Adrian Baggins]

Hey woh I am...Well I guess you could call me a FrodoPotterheadlotrfreak because I like them both. *pulls out wand, staff(mithreal and gold with rainbow crystal), 3 unknown rings and an invisibility cloak* *says a spell using the power of the staff and her wand* *goes into computer and starts to blow up computers of people who don't like Lotr or HP, if they like HP or Lotr they are spared even if they don't like the other 1* *uses Avada Kedarva curse on Draco Malfoy's computer*(there is a boy at my school who treats me and my friends like Draco treats Harry and his friends so his nickname is Draco Malfoy, he hates HP and Lotr) I will have a Harry Potter poster beside a Lotr Frodo poster in a short time(I am getting one of each from a friend so hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaheeheeheeheeheeheehe eheeheehahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah aha I am slightly mentel and if you have watched the extended version of Fotr then you will note the sexyness in EJW's voice when he says "ass" about BK and Sean's chess games)

[eowyngirl14]

*calls intermission in war aginst lotr fans who don't like HP to agree with Adrian Baggins* I like both of them too! But it's fun waging was against unsuspecting lotr fans who are HP haters! *tapes Aragorn poster back togeather* Take this! *tries to cast the imperious curse* *misses and hits poster of Ron* Nooooooooooo! Not again!:)

[Diaxion]

I like Harry Potter but I think that when people say they hate it really means that they never read it and therefore should not judge it.

[Silverstripe]

Originally posted by Adrian Baggins
*uses Avada Kedarva curse on Draco Malfoy's computer*

*laughs at Adrian Baggins for trying to use a kill-spell on a machine.*

No need for that, Adrian, magicals can't use computers we(;)) - they crash computers by just touching them!

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Diaxion
I like Harry Potter but I think that when people say they hate it really means that they never read it and therefore should not judge it.

Good point, but I have friends who have read it and hate it anyways!
I also have friends whose parents won't let them read HP because it is against there religion. This bothers me. They say it is un-Christian, yet they know noone who had read it! Does that sound a little hypocritical to anyone else?:)

[Hanza]

How on earth can a FICTIONAL book be against someones religion? Its about magic for heavens sake. I dont remember studying magic in religious studies! and if they have no proof then i think thats cheating kids out of a good book.

[eowyngirl14]

Hanza, that was my point exactly! Only you voiced it a lot better... My friends parents feel that the magic in Harry Potter is un-christian. I am not sure why the parents feel this way, as it's not something that I am really in the place to ask them. But I hae asked my friend and she just says that her parents don't want her reading it, so she won't. I don't think they know what they are missing.
The thing that really bugs me is that they are allowed to read lotr because they know that JRR Tolkien was a Christian. I am not sure about JK Rowling, but this seems a little ridiculus to me... I mean, they both have good and dark magic in them, it is just a little more subtle in lotr. But Gandalf carries a staff around with him! :)
It was really uncomfortable... they were at my Grandparents house the same day that my family was. It happened to be my b-day Nov 16. And I wanted to go see HP and the chamber of Secrets, so my Dad took my and my sisters. I was wearing my slytherin shirt and was all in the HP mood, having just read the 2 book for the third time... Then we got back and there was this really ackward moment between me and my friend, because I really needed to talk to someone about the movie, but I didn't want to offend her or her parents... Sheesh... glad that's over!
I think that fact that it is a fiction novel has a lot do do with why they can't read it...

[crickhollow]

First point:Whether a book is fiction has nothing to do with it, Hanza. Whenever a book is published, an author's worldview is submitted to the public. These people are given a platform from which they can speak and influence other people. An example off the top of my head is A Conneticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court. In this book, as well as some of his short stories, Twain exploits the platform he has been given, and becomes downright preachy.

I hope that if I ever get published, that my worldview will be clearly distinguishable--just like Lewis, Tolkien, Dickens and others.

Second point:
Magic is a scary thing for some people, Hanza. I read in a letter to an editor once that some people have a weakness towards fantasy just like some people have a weakness towards alcohol. I recognize that psychological thrillers (movies and books) fill me with stark terror, and if I wish to avoid sleepless nights, I avoid such material.

Also--magic and paganism have been in conflict with Christianity since the gospel was first spread beyond the mediterranean world in the early middle ages. This conflict goes beyond the intellectual marketplace of worldviews, and into the spiritual realm. Many Christians believe that magic is not merely a harmless superstition, but a demonic practice.

*dismounts soapbox* I hope that clearly explains why a mere "fictional" book can be against one's religion. If you can't handle people knocking Harry Potter, I suggest that in the future, you avoid threads entitled "I hate Harry Potter".

and for the record, I like HP

[eowyngirl14]

Crickhollow, are you a HP hater? I think that the point of this thread was to start disconsions about why peole do or don't like HP. And that's exactly what was happening. My friends don't think that it is down right work of the devil, they just find it inappropriate, for some reason. Maybe they don't want there impressionable teenage daughter to grow up believing in mageic? I don't know! I certanly believe in magic, and think that I am growing up fine!:)

[crickhollow]

Originally posted by eowyngirl14
Crickhollow, are you a HP hater?I think I'll quote my own post here: and for the record, I like HPand now that your question has been answered, lets move on.


My point (and perhaps I did not explain it well enough) was to try to explain why Christians have a problem with magic in general, and HP in particular. But then again, perhaps you were just having fun mocking your friend's parents, and weren't genuinely interested in the whyfores and the whethertos (as Bilbo would say) of their beliefs.

[Hanza]

Well thanx for clearing some of that up crickhollow and eowyngirl14. I'd just like to say i didnt know what religion they were. I still think it is a bit unreasonable but this maybe because i am not a christian myself. If it is just because JK Rowling isnt christian (which i dont know) then i dont think its fair. I can understand perhaps magic being a problem a long time ago but this is the 21st century.

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by crickhollow
I think I'll quote my own post here: and now that your question has been answered, lets move on.


My point (and perhaps I did not explain it well enough) was to try to explain why Christians have a problem with magic in general, and HP in particular. But then again, perhaps you were just having fun mocking your friend's parents, and weren't genuinely interested in the whyfores and the whethertos (as Bilbo would say) of their beliefs.

I would never mock my friends parents or her family beliefs. My family is not religous and I fund it very interesting that they can't read HP because of the magic contet, and because they don't know weather JK is a Christian or not. I accualy was interested, thankyou for helping me understand!:)

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Darn it, I keep forgetting to answer...In reply to the title of this thread...

ME!!!

[eowyngirl14]

Why do you hate it? Have you read the books or have the movies poisoned your mind? like so many others?:)

[Shadowfax]

Harry Potter sucks

[Radagast The Brown]

originally posted by Shadowfax
Harry Potter sucksWhy? :confused:

[Hanza]

Dont just say 'me' or 'HP sucks'. What is your back up? why dont you like them? I am not saying you have to like the books just at least explain what your view is a bit more. OK?

[Lanelf]

Hang on - I'm both HP and LOTR! What, I can beat myself up? OK! *pulls out wand and frypan* Yeeahahahaha! *runs around screaming maniacally* Run! Run for your LIFE!
Lanelf.

[eowyngirl14]

That's funny Lanelf! I love both HP and lotr. Sometimes my Araogrn bookmark talks to my Ron bookmark. They argue about who I like more a lot. And about which one of them likes me the best... Heee Heee Heee! I'll never tell! Uh Oh.... the bookmarks are starting to talk to each other agian!:) :)

[Shadowfax]

Originally posted by Radagast The Brown
Why? :confused: Because they aren't the kind of books I enjoy reading. Too "fake" for me. Know what I mean? Like with LotR, they feel really real I guess, like I could hop on a plane and go to Middle Earth, and have a cup o tea with Galadriel and Celeborn (okay, maybe not, but do you know what I mean??), and with the HP books I don't know, the magic and all just seems to fake and for lack of a better word, childish.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

I've never seen the movies, and I haven't read much of the books. They always just struck me as artificial and superficial, much like with Shadowfax. Not to mention I must admit that I'm a bit prejudiced against the kids-rule genre.

[eowyngirl14]

There is nothing wrong with the kids-rule genre!!! Harry Potter seemed really real to me! Like I ciuld hop on the Hoqwarts Express and have a cup if tea with Hermione:) :) Or go on a date with Ron...:D :D That would be awesome!!!!!:)

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Well, it just didn't seem real to me, unlike LotR and Narnia.

[eowyngirl14]

I loved the Chronicles of Narnia! But they didn't seem as real as HP and lotr did to me! My favorite one is The Magicians Nephew! What do you think made lotr and Narnia more real for you, was it the books, or all the hype around HP?:) :)

[Shadowfax]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Not to mention I must admit that I'm a bit prejudiced against the kids-rule genre. Yes, me too! I hate that!

[entss89]

oooh sometimes i just hate harry potter what is the point?

[eowyngirl14]

Why? Some people could say the same thing about lotr? what is the point? I personally like both of them!!!!:) :)

[Adrian Baggins]

Originally posted by Silverstripe
*laughs at Adrian Baggins for trying to use a kill-spell on a machine.*

No need for that, Adrian, magicals can't use computers we(;)) - they crash computers by just touching them!

I added to the spell so itnot only crashes his computer but before that it destroies all evil in him and makes him nice ;) :)

[Reumandar]

I get what Shadowfax and Gwaimir Windgem are saying. For me, I think it was how Middle Earth had a history, and languages, and races, and it would just suck you in And all the suspence and action and it would make you cry if one of them died(I didn't but it really made me sad). The one I own is a tripple combination(all three in one) So I don't think the suspence was killing me as much as it would people with FotR, TTT and RotK seperetly; I wonder what it feels like.
I Love LotR it is so cool

[Silverstripe]

Originally posted by Adrian Baggins
I added to the spell so itnot only crashes his computer but before that it destroies all evil in him and makes him nice ;) :)

Okay, hmmm ... if you just wanted his computer to crash, all you'd have to do is wait until he touched it, and it would, inevitably, crash. There are lots of non-magicals like that too!:D ;)

Although I liked the Harry Potter series, there were many things about them I didn't like. For example, the commonly accepted attitude by Snoodies about Muggles.

I also really hated the idea of bullies living and working with a bunch of other ambitious bullies (Slytherin), and thus not having as much of a chance to become better people. :(

I knew someone who acted almost exactly like Malfoy when he was eleven, but has done some growing up since then and is now a nice guy. But he himself has said that if his bullying had been supported by parents and peers, it would have been much harder to "grow up."

[Reumandar]

Originally posted by Silverstripe
Although I liked the Harry Potter series, there were many things about them I didn't like. For example, the commonly accepted attitude by Snoodies about Muggles.
What do you mean?

Originally posted by Silverstripe
I also really hated the idea of bullies living and working with a bunch of other ambitious bullies (Slytherin), and thus not having as much of a chance to become better people. :(
But just think What Hogwarts would be like without SLYTHERIN
And no matter how much you hope or ignore it there will always be bullies.

[FrodoFriend]

I DON'T!! I LOVE HARRY POTTER!!

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Reumandar
I get what Shadowfax and Gwaimir Windgem are saying. For me, I think it was how Middle Earth had a history, and languages, and races, and it would just suck you in And all the suspence and action and it would make you cry if one of them died(I didn't but it really made me sad). The one I own is a tripple combination(all three in one) So I don't think the suspence was killing me as much as it would people with FotR, TTT and RotK seperetly; I wonder what it feels like.
I Love LotR it is so cool

Aack! The suspense was killing me! I was sobbing at the end of TTT when Shelob 'kills' Frodo! I cryed for about 2 hours! My dad thought I was crazy and kept telling me that there was no way they would kill of one of the cheif charecters! So I would just blubber that the big spider stabbed him! Sam had the ring and there was no point in eating dinner that night, because if Frodo is dead? then what is the point? HE got kinda mad and force fed me mac & cheese... I read the first several chapters in RotK that night... didn't get much homework done that night!:) :) It was awful! I felt so betrayed! I had to sleep with the lights on that noght because I am afraid of spiders... couldn't get image of me 'dying' like Frodo does out of my mind...

[Gwaimir Windgem]

I really, really, REALLY wanna get a 1 volume copy of LotR. One without pictures from the movie on it. (Helps with the separatism, doncha know ;) )

[eowyngirl14]

Ya... I don't know why but it really bugs me when I see people with copies of lotr that have movie pictures on them. Especially the picture of the ringwraith siluetted (sp?) against a bright blue sky... all my friends think that I am just being stuck up about it becasue ussualy I don't like movies that were once books first. I like my set of three books. I have a copie of the Hobbit that matches. :) :)

[Gwaimir Windgem]

I wouldn't say it BOTHERS me; fills me with murderous rage, yes, but not bothers me. ;)

[Silverstripe]

Originally posted by Reumandar
What do you mean?

The fact that the common attitude of magicals is that they are much better than the non-magicals, intellectually and morally. While torture of Muggles by Snoodies is not commonly accepted, all that's really done about it is to get it stopped, then take away the Muggles' memories so the non-magicals can't do anything about it in the future.


Originally posted by Reumandar
But just think What Hogwarts would be like without SLYTHERIN
And no matter how much you hope or ignore it there will always be bullies. [/B]

I know that. I wasn't saying that they would all become better people, but in most situations, many of the schoolyard bullies mature at some point in their lives, and cease to be bullies.

But you're right, it would be hard to picture Hogwarts without Slytherin...

Third thing that really gets me: House-Elves. Yes, I would be like Hermione there, leading the cause that few others would join.

[Reumandar]

I don't like it either (the movie cover books) don't know why.
Silverstripe I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU!!!!! Me, I'm with Hagrid; Why stop some one doing somthing they like that won't harm others? That would be like telling me that I wasen't aloud to read; If you were to stop me from reading I would Be a broken person... And I am sure that is how the house elves would feel. Originally posted by Silverstripe
The fact that the common attitude of magicals is that they are much better than the non-magicals, intellectually and morally. While torture of Muggles by Snoodies is not commonly accepted, all that's really done about it is to get it stopped, then take away the Muggles' memories so the non-magicals can't do anything about it in the future.
ONLY the bad guys think like that

[Reumandar]

OH YEAH
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix is coming out on June 21st this year (2003) I just read a bit of it at Harrypotter.com in the Daily prophet section. It sounds really exciteing(spl?)

[eowyngirl14]

I AM SOOOOO EXITED!!!:) :) sounds really good!

[Silverstripe]

Originally posted by Reumandar
I don't like it either (the movie cover books) don't know why.
Silverstripe I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU!!!!! Me, I'm with Hagrid; Why stop some one doing somthing they like that won't harm others? That would be like telling me that I wasen't aloud to read; If you were to stop me from reading I would Be a broken person... And I am sure that is how the house elves would feel.

I wouldn't say the house elves wouldn't be allowed to serve wizards (that WOULD be ridiculous), only that they wouldn't HAVE to. That way situations like Dobby's could not happen. Dobby shows that not 100% of house elves are happy, so why not provide for others like him?

Not 100% of people like reading, either. How do you think they'd feel if we forced them to constantly read to others -- people they may not even choose -- simply because a lot of people liked to read to others?


Originally posted by Reumandar ONLY the bad guys think like that [/B]

Hagrid says that magicals are "best left alone" because they can't be bothered with doing things for muggles. In my opinion, that's a little like someone saying we "shouldn't do anything for blind people, because we'll have no time to ourselves."

And even some of the fairly good guys calmly accept that of course magicals are simply better than muggles... I like the books, but that is probably my biggest complaint with the series.

[Reumandar]

Ok thanks for clearing the house elf thing up BUT...
Originally posted by Silverstripe
Hagrid says that magicals are "best left alone" because they can't be bothered with doing things for muggles. In my opinion, that's a little like someone saying we "shouldn't do anything for blind people, because we'll have no time to ourselves."

Do you feel this way about Elves? They do that.

[Silverstripe]

Originally posted by Reumandar
Do you feel this way about Elves? They do that.

Elves don't go around taking the memories of people who've seen them. Also, while they may be reluctant to help, most of them will if it becomes absolutely necessary.

[Reumandar]

Originally posted by Silverstripe
Elves don't go around taking the memories of people who've seen them.
Niether do Wizards/Witches; they do it if you see them at work
Elves like to keep themselves secret to, not even known if possible.
Like in Gondolin they would never let you out again(only on special occasions(spl?)(Like Húrin and Hour)) Personally I think that is worse

Originally posted by Silverstripe
Also, while they may be reluctant to help, most of them will if it becomes absolutely necessary.
What makes you think Wizards/Witches wouldn't do the same?

[Evenstar1400]

i happen to like harry potter thank you very much!

[Varda Oiolosseo]

Nooooooooooo! I don't understand how people can not like Harry Potter! It's brilliant!!
Then again each to their own!

[eowyngirl14]

:) :) Harry Potter is the best!!!!

[sun-star]

Going back to this:

Hagrid says that magicals are "best left alone" because they can't be bothered with doing things for muggles. In my opinion, that's a little like someone saying we "shouldn't do anything for blind people, because we'll have no time to ourselves."

I wonder if we are supposed to take the attitude of the "good" wizards towards Muggles seriously. One of the themes of the books is certainly prejudice, and it would be plain inaccurate to have the only prejudiced people being the bad guys. By not blatantly highlighting the unconcious feelings that even wizards like Arthur Weasley have towards Muggles, I think JK Rowling is actually showing us that we can be prejudiced too, even if we think we're with the good guys :)

[eowyngirl14]

I love your sig sun-star!!! It is awesome!

[Lalaith_Elf]

um harry potter is ok, the movies are a bit cheesy... but then saying that i was in the second one. i like voldermort in the books.

[Mystic Warrior]

Actually I love the Tolkien books and the Harry POtter books. They are amazing. But I have heard too many bad things about Haryy POtter and I want to get away from it as soon as possible! :(

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Lalaith_Elf
um harry potter is ok, the movies are a bit cheesy... but then saying that i was in the second one. i like voldermort in the books.

You were in the second movie?:confused: :confused: If you were that is sooooo totally awesome! If you weren't then... what are you talking about?

[Lady of Rohan]

I like Harry Potter. Of course its not as good as LotR but then again what is? :D

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Lady of Rohan
I like Harry Potter. Of course its not as good as LotR but then again what is? :D

chocolate:p

[Silverstripe]

Originally posted by eowyngirl14
chocolate:p

I'd take LotR over chocolate any day!:p

[Silverstripe]

I know I may sound like an HP-hater in some of my earlier posts, but the truth is, I like the books. As I said, I just don't like certain parts of them, but then, there are a lot of good books like that -- with a couple of elements which the reader might not find as fun, but that definitely don't spoil the books.

[Lanelf]

Why take LOTR over chocolate when you can read your LotR and eat chocolate too?
Lanelf.

[Diaxion]

Harry Potter is godd and it can't be compared to any of Tolkien's works. Furthermore, when people say that they hate Harry Potter they have not read the books or they have some problem with having a good time reading.

[Silverstripe]

Originally posted by Lanelf
Why take LOTR over chocolate when you can read your LotR and eat chocolate too?
Lanelf.

LOL. I mean if some evil fiend (as if there's another type of fiend?!) came and forced me to choose between LotR and chocolate, I'd take LotR.

[Radagast The Brown]

orignally posted by eowyngirl14
chocolate:p Me too. No doubts.

[Lalaith]

Thank's for this thread. I really hate Harry Potter.
It is a book (and a movie) for little children. What is all this hype about. Are people that dumb by now that they have to read children books and watch movies for 5 year olds?

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Thank's for this thread. I really hate Harry Potter.
It is a book (and a movie) for little children. What is all this hype about. Are people that dumb by now that they have to read children books and watch movies for 5 year olds?

whats wrong with childrens books? My great aunt wrote childrens books before she died and I read them all time! i like childrens books. And I really don't consider HP to be one. I also like the movies. Have you reead all of the books?
The have a lot of important underlying themes in them if you pay attention and are not looking for things wrong in it.

[Lalaith]

whats wrong with childrens books? My great aunt wrote childrens books before she died and I read them all time! i like childrens books. And I really don't consider HP to be one. I also like the movies. Have you reead all of the books?
Okay, concentration. I don't want to forget anything I want to say.
1. In general I have no problem with childrens books. There is one series of books which I really loved as a child and I would read them again if I get hold of one of them. I own only one of them and I read it plenty times, the others I had from our library.
2. The books didn't bother me first, but all the hype about the movie and that stuff really annoyed me. I mean it is a childrens book. (Yeah, that again).
3. And what really annoyed me was the fact that everybody compared LotR to Harry Potter. I mean, hello, LotR is a book for adults and has a high standart. And Harry Potter is simply a book for children. You can't compare these two books.
4. Again to the childrens books. I think HP is a childrens book. But as I said before, I have nothing against childrens books. I mean, children should have something to read, too.

[eowyngirl14]

1. what series might that be?

2. does all the hype about lotr bother you? to be hones tI only ever finished the series becasue I heard they were making movies about them. So what if it's a children's book (in your opinion- not mine)? Are you saying that only books for adults can be good and recognized for it? What about Winnie the Pooh? that is definetly a children's book and look at al hte movies and TV shows they made off of it! And I don't know anyone who doesn't love Pooh bear!

3.Harry Potter is not simple! so what if they were compared? that doesn't make one better than the other. I compare most books i read to lotr. wether you like it or not lotr and HP do have some similarities!

4.you say you have nothing against childrens books- but you list it as one of the reasons you don't like HP. i would catagorize HP under 'yound adult'. i have never read a 734 page childrens book before!

[Lalaith]

1. I don't think that series has been published in english. It is german and called "Die Knickerbockerbande". Reallly cool. I mean it is childish and really simple, but I love it. I have to read it again (I think this proves that I do like childrens books and I know some really good ones). Okay, maybe it is not really a childrens book. Not for very young children. I think its for the age of 10.
2. No, LotR doesn't bother me. And what really made me angry about HP is that also the adults made that hype about a childrens (I still believe it is one) book. And BTW, I don't like Winnie Puuh. I never watched it as a child and I won't do in future. But it doesn't bother me. I don't have to watch it, but HP is everywhere.
3. You simply cannot compare the complex world of Tolkien to HP. (Nothing against J.K.Rowling)
4. I still think it is a childrens book. Young adult. How old are young adults? 12? I know some 12 old people and they laugh about HP.


Last I have to say that my hatred towards Harry Potter is more about the movie than the book.

[eowyngirl14]

1. sounds... interesting... do you consider yourself an adult, you are 17 i think (from your profile?) if so- you like it so you as an adult are making a big deal about it. do other adults think it is a good book? Your parents must have becasue they gave it to you to read. (well not nessesarily- but they must have known you were reading it.)

2. Winnie the Pooh is everywhere too! have you ever gone to the childrens section of a library?? why does it bother you so much that adults like HP? does it bug you that kids like lotr? (because it is an adults book?)The Hobbit is a childrens book, but I know tons of adults who love it!

3. why not? give me one good substantial reason that has nothing to do with one being marketed towards children.

4. ya- i think yound adult is like 11-13 or so. I my self have just left that section of the bookstore. i know 12 yearolds who think lotr suck and I know adults that would bite your head off for not liking HP. you still seem to be holding the fact that HP is a childrens' book against it.

You never said- did you read all of the HP books?

[Lalaith]

I think we will never agree.

1. I don't consider myself as an adult. In fact I don't want to be 18 in a few weeks. My mum said she read one book of the series and she liked it. I was like 10 when I started reading these books (or younger).
(But from what I love to read many people have told me that I read more adult things, which people of my age wouldn't read.)

2. I haven't been to a public library for a long time (except for the one in my school, but there are no children's books). I doubt that young children will understand LotR. And I have read The Hobbit myself. It isn't bad, but I didn't like it like LotR because I don't know why.
3. Because Tolkien has developed a language, a whole world. And J.K. Rowling this wizard. And your 3. question I don't understand. Sorry.
4. I know some people at my age who read the books, they like it but still say it is a book for children. But they can understand that I don't like it. In fact one of them has never completed LotR because she didn't like it that much. She loves the movie, but didn't like the much as much.

yes, I have started reading HP but I got bored and gave it up. I was just not interested in it. But I think if I'll ever have time I'll read it in english just for the challenge of reading it in english.

[Lalaith]

I have forgotten to say, that at the age of 17 (almost 18) I'm still in love with this (still) 13-year old boy in this series.

[eowyngirl14]

okay i guess I can understand most of what you posted...
(my question 3 was why can't you compare lotr and HP)

but J.K. Rowling did invent her own world and language. Parstounge- language of the snakes. it was probobly harder to create her world then for Tolkien to create his becasue he just started from scratch and build everything all his own. JK had to fit everything so it fit togeather with our own world and made sense.

[Lalaith]

She invented a language? Didn't know that.
I still don't like Harry Potter, but I can live with the fact that you like him. I hope we can agree at least on that point.

[crickhollow]

Originally posted by eowyngirl14
okay i guess I can understand most of what you posted...
(my question 3 was why can't you compare lotr and HP)

but J.K. Rowling did invent her own world and language. Parstounge- language of the snakes. it was probobly harder to create her world then for Tolkien to create his becasue he just started from scratch and build everything all his own. JK had to fit everything so it fit togeather with our own world and made sense. well, the idea of the language is there, but I don't think she's ever actually written anything in Parsletongue as Tolkien has written in Quenyan. I don't mean this as something to hold against Rowling, I've already said that I love Harry Potter, but really. She hasn't written an actual language, she just mentions hissing sounds.

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by crickhollow
well, the idea of the language is there, but I don't think she's ever actually written anything in Parsletongue as Tolkien has written in Quenyan. I don't mean this as something to hold against Rowling, I've already said that I love Harry Potter, but really. She hasn't written an actual language, she just mentions hissing sounds.

ya... i guess your right, but my friend and i talk in parsletounge to each other. tis very funny!

okay Lalaith, and i can live with the fact that you don't like him- though just barely!

[Lalaith]

Glad that we finally found our way. Maybe we will meet again some time to discuss about another controversial topic.

[eowyngirl14]

yup yup yup!!!!
The mods should be happy that didn't turn into a flaming war!

[Lalaith]

History of the world

2003: War between Austria und the US because two fangirls couldn't agree on liking or disliking Harry Potter. Result: Austria destroyed, Harry Potter dead

*gg*
Fortunately we could stop before that.

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Lalaith
History of the world

2003: War between Austria und the US because two fangirls couldn't agree on liking or disliking Harry Potter. Result: Austria destroyed, Harry Potter dead

*gg*
Fortunately we could stop before that.

lol thats funny!

[Estel13]

Everything eowyngirl14 said I agree with. (And I haven't even read all of it! :p)

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Estel13
Everything eowyngirl14 said I agree with. (And I haven't even read all of it! :p)

lol! wow! i feel special! you should read all of it! i have some good debating skills! maybe that's my hidden talent! (i know i must have on somewhere!)

[Estel13]

There's 8 pages, an' I don't have the patience to read all of it. I trust ya! ;)

[Lalaith]

What are the two of you doing on a anti-HarryPotter thread?

[Silverstripe]

Originally posted by eowyngirl14
ya... i guess your right, but my friend and i talk in parsletounge to each other. tis very funny!


LOL. I did that once, and my friend panicked...

Actually, I have a little bit of one language (about two hundred word vocabulary and grammar rules), and my best friends and I will sometimes talk in that language for a short time. Of course, with only two hundred words, our conversations sometimes translate...


Me: Water is wet.

Friend One: That's right!

Friend Two: Why?


But it's fun anyway. Yes, I am weird, thank you very much! :D

[Estel13]

Originally posted by Lalaith
What are the two of you doing on a anti-HarryPotter thread?
*shrugs* I don't know. Hoping to get it closed, maybe? Or maybe we are trying to convert some of you!;)

[Lalaith]

*shrugs* I don't know. Hoping to get it closed, maybe? Or maybe we are trying to convert some of you!
If you talk of convert that way I can't help thinking of a Religion.
Denomination: Harry Potter or LoTR *gg*

[JCL2]

Originally posted by Ma Uai: Ua Nemti
I think it's the dumbest thing since "Instant Fire (just add water)." I don't understand all the hype. Anyone else? the books were not even a bit exciting. I am never reading the 5 book.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

If it's so bad, why did you read them in the first place? :p

[samwiselvr2008]

They are nothing compared to The Lord of the Rings, but still a good read. I meen, nothing really compares to Tolkien's work, the world that he made was so big and real filling, I remember waching the movie before reading the book, and almost asking someone if it was real, the only way that I could tell that it wasn't was because of all of the magic and fatacy creatures. Lord of the Rings is so much more alive then HP. My point is, if you compare it to Lord of the Rings, then of course it's gonna be no big deal, The Lord of the Rings is the classic, and origonal, without LOTR, who knows if Rowling would have ever even read much fantacy. So HP isn't as good, but you have to give them credit, the HP fans may be saying that we are over obsessed, who knows? To say that it is over done is to say that Lord of the Rings is over done, after all, there is more history to Lord of the Rings then Rowling can think up for HP (probally). You have to compare the book to nothing, not to other fantacy, and then you'll see.

[eowyngirl14]

the reason why estel13 and I aer in this thread is becasue we are currently working on worls domination- and taking over this thread seemed to be the first logical step!

harry potter will rule your minds one day if Legolas doesn;t take over first! *mutters*, d*nm pretty boy elf!

[JCL2]

Originally posted by samwiselvr2008
They are nothing compared to The Lord of the Rings, but still a good read. I meen, nothing really compares to Tolkien's work, the world that he made was so big and real filling, I remember waching the movie before reading the book, and almost asking someone if it was real, the only way that I could tell that it wasn't was because of all of the magic and fatacy creatures. Lord of the Rings is so much more alive then HP. My point is, if you compare it to Lord of the Rings, then of course it's gonna be no big deal, The Lord of the Rings is the classic, and origonal, without LOTR, who knows if Rowling would have ever even read much fantacy. So HP isn't as good, but you have to give them credit, the HP fans may be saying that we are over obsessed, who knows? To say that it is over done is to say that Lord of the Rings is over done, after all, there is more history to Lord of the Rings then Rowling can think up for HP (probally). You have to compare the book to nothing, not to other fantacy, and then you'll see. I agree,PS you spelled fantasy rong

[BeardofPants]

Well you just spelled 'wrong' wrong. :rolleyes:

[Estel13]

Originally posted by eowyngirl14
the reason why estel13 and I aer in this thread is becasue we are currently working on worls domination- and taking over this thread seemed to be the first logical step!

harry potter will rule your minds one day if Legolas doesn;t take over first! *mutters*, d*nm pretty boy elf!

You never told me about any world domination plans!:mad: And will you PLEASE ease off Legolas!

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Estel13
You never told me about any world domination plans!:mad: And will you PLEASE ease off Legolas!

sry Legolas. i love you! *big cheesey smile*
good idea estel13. play innocent.

i wasn't planning on taking over the world- I swear!

[Estel13]

Originally posted by eowyngirl14
sry Legolas. i love you! *big cheesey smile*
good idea estel13. play innocent.

i wasn't planning on taking over the world- I swear!

Yeah, sure. And if you are sorry, my name is Arwen!:rolleyes:

[eowyngirl14]

Originally posted by Estel13
Yeah, sure. And if you are sorry, my name is Arwen!:rolleyes:

lol- you know me too well!

hey! we are actually on entmoot at hte same time! what a coincidence!

[Estel13]

Originally posted by eowyngirl14
lol- you know me too well!

hey! we are actually on entmoot at hte same time! what a coincidence!

yeah. but of course i have to get off in about 5 minutes.:rolleyes: typical, eh? oh, well, i will be back on this afternoon. later......;) :p

[samwiselvr2008]

Fantacy isn't spelled fantasy, it is the way that I spelled it, right? Because I tried to do the other way and my computer said that I was spelling it wrong:rolleyes: well, eather way, we need to get back on subject before this is closed, seeing how the last couple of posts have been off subject, so that this dosn't get closed.

I'm thinking that it won't be a happy ending, something devistating will happen at the end of the series, or it just wont be that good, we need a twist, a book that'll leave you disapounted. I sound stupid now. I just hope something happens like HP dieing. Now I sound like I'm evil.:o Bad Samwiselvr! Bad Samwiselvr!!! Samwiselvr must punish herself! (bad dobby, bad) now I sound like I'm over obsessed. :( life is so confusing sometimes.

[Lanelf]

No, I agree with you Samwiselvr! I think it'd make a really great end to the series if Harry died a tragic sort of death. And Ron and Hermione got together. ;). See, if Harry *didn't* die, I'd keep wondering "what happened next?" for the rest of my life, and I'd resort to writing and reading angsty fanfics and getting all weepy over them.
Lanelf.

[Reumandar]

HELLO
HARRY POTTER RULZ but lotr rulz more:D.
I don't think J.K. Rowling made Parstltounge (or however you spell it) and you Can't COMPARE LOTR TO HARRY POTTER;
If you do, it will always equal SUCKY, And you don't want that to happen now do ya:D

[Gulio, Strength of Many]

Harry Potter sucks. The books stunk. There was no imagination whatsoever. They were SOOOO predictable!!! He is just a little geek with a scar on his forehead, for crying out loud!!!!!!!!

[gimli7410]

we had a huge discussion bought hp when i was in grade 7 and people were saying they read the first few pages and hated it. i thought how can you read a couple of pages and then say it is bad. i know it is a childrens book but i just re read them all and they are great books. LotR Hp are completely different.

[Reumandar]

I think you are so right gimli7410, because if I were like that I would have done that with LotR Cuz' it took me like 3 months to finish the first few pages (not really but it sure did feel like that) And the prologue (or however you spell it) I asked my sister if it were ok to do that and she said "yeah I did" SOO don't do that people. I gotta go

[Eowyn, Lady of Rohan]

Well, it certainly isn't tolkien, but I don't hate it. I'm sure you'd be insulting J.K. Rowling if she ever heard. I was not quite impressed with the movies, but if you all hate it solme much, then I was wondering why you even read the second book. If you hated it so much, why didn't you stop at the first book? I'm sorry if this was to harsh, but it's the way I feel.

[Ornelírë Mistë]

I hate Harry Potter too! The magic part is not well constructed. The world is not realistic- how come some older year students dont try to sleep with one another? Howcome people dont have interests or friends outside magic? All want to be wizards. Why cant they call female wizards wizards, and not witches? I always thought they were different things.Etc.

It was boring too, and kind of stupid. "love harry, he couldnt understand love." all villains supposedly cant, yet they adore themselves.

The movies were pure crap in my opinion. Too full of bad special effects. The first book was the most decent, but i didnt like it. i didnt bother to finish the second, good lord.

EDIT: oh, and by the way- i did not read thre boooks by choice- they were read-aloud books years ago.

[Rána Eressëa]

I think too many people overlook it because of the first two books - which definitely are for children - caused the series to be marketed at children. But it gets deeper and deeper and darker. What I thought was never possible has become possible: I have come to love Harry Potter more than LOTR because of the emotional appeal and connection it offers. I could never emotionally relate myself to any of the LOTR characters or with their circumstances, but with the Harry Potter series, I could. J.K. Rowling has my sense of childish humor, and though she doesn't overwrite or use an assembly of boring and unnecessarily long college words that some adults prefer, I've come to genuinely love her novels.

It isn't the depth of words that matter. It's the depth of content. And J.K. Rowling has that.

[Elbereth5]

Originally posted by samwiselvr2008
They are nothing compared to The Lord of the Rings, but still a good read. I meen, nothing really compares to Tolkien's work, the world that he made was so big and real filling, I remember waching the movie before reading the book, and almost asking someone if it was real, the only way that I could tell that it wasn't was because of all of the magic and fatacy creatures. Lord of the Rings is so much more alive then HP. My point is, if you compare it to Lord of the Rings, then of course it's gonna be no big deal, The Lord of the Rings is the classic, and origonal, without LOTR, who knows if Rowling would have ever even read much fantacy. So HP isn't as good, but you have to give them credit, the HP fans may be saying that we are over obsessed, who knows? To say that it is over done is to say that Lord of the Rings is over done, after all, there is more history to Lord of the Rings then Rowling can think up for HP (probally). You have to compare the book to nothing, not to other fantacy, and then you'll see.

I totally agree!!!!!!!!!

[frodomerryandaragornrock]

I HATE Harry Potter!!!! All the characters are minions of Sauon!! Thats what I think!!!! I have some friends that LOVE it, but I dont see all the hype. But, whatever, people are entitles to their own opinions, right?

[Freeflying]

I have never actually read any Happy Potter but have already decided that i never want to - i know this is unreasonable as everyone (par some few here) that HAS read it says its great. Perhaps its the hype but i have no desire to read any whatsoever - there are other books i would much rather read like War and Peace, Crime and Punishment and The Bible - (http://musik.hitmeister.de/various-friday-7904/) and those are just for starters ;)

[sisterandcousinandaunt]

Life is long...if you spend enough time reading, you may have time for HP eventually. :)

[Pitchike12]

I hate Harry Potter since I 9 yrs old. It's kind'a annoying to me now.

[Ulfsark]

I hate thread revives since I 9 yrs old. It's kind'a annoying to me now.

[EllethValatari]

I hate thread revives since I 9 yrs old. It's kind'a annoying to me now.

What's wrong with a thread resurrection? Here they are celebrated. :party:

I have never read the books, don't plan on reading them (too much Tolkien to read-have to finish the Histories!). But the movies have a very good plot and are very entertaining!

[Ulfsark]

The thing with Harry Potter is unlike most series of literature (yet not unlike the Lord of the Rings), is that each book is somewhat better than the previous one. The last book really is gold (IMO it is quite a considerable amount better than it predecessor), however to understand the rather complicated plot you really need to have read all the previous books.

It's a shame because the first two or three (or rather four) were really marketed at children but towards the end of the series JKR employed a writing style more suited to adults. She even slipped in a few naughty words. :)

[Galdor of the Havens]

I do hate Harry Potter, but not the first or second book though, I love it except the other books.

[Ulfsark]

Are you serious? They have sloppy plots and a writing style made for children. They take over a year of little happening until the end when, coincidentally they destroy one of Voldemort's plots.

The Deathly Hallows however has a superior writing style and a deep plot; filled with action from beginning to end, unsuspected twists and great character developments.

[GrayMouser]

Are you serious? They have sloppy plots and a writing style made for children. They take over a year of little happening until the end when, coincidentally they destroy one of Voldemort's plots.

The Deathly Hallows however has a superior writing style and a deep plot; filled with action from beginning to end, unsuspected twists and great character developments.

I read the first four and gave up because I agree with your assessment- maybe I'll give the next one a chance, now that I've got Chinese New Year holidays coming up.