Ents at Isengard

[Celebrian]

In the TTT after Pippin looks into the Orthanc stone a nazgul flies over, and Gandalf says it is going to Isengard. It never mentions what happens to the ents who are guarding it.
Would they see it coming and be able to hide?
Would they be able to hide from it if it wanted to find them?
Would the nazgul be interested in them, or would he ignore them and just talk to Saruman?

Also, what happens to Saruman? wouldn't Sauron be mad that he had lost the Palantir and the Hobbit?

[markedel]

You should probably just read ROTK to sort out the question of Saruman.

[Radagast The Brown]

originally posted by Celebrian
Would they see it coming and be able to hide?
Would they be able to hide from it if it wanted to find them?
Would the nazgul be interested in them, or would he ignore them and just talk to Saruman?

Also, what happens to Saruman? wouldn't Sauron be mad that he had lost the Palantir and the Hobbit?Why would the ents want to hide from a nazgul?
I think the Nazgul can't talk. I'm not sure. I think Gandalf said they want to attack Saruman, and he said also Saruman will probably could defend himself from one Nazgul.

[Ñólendil]

Yes, Nazgûl can talk. They speak in an odd sort of language off and on throughout the book with "voices of death"*, and according to the Appendices they spoke the Black Speech of Sauron, but also the Common Speech. Frodo overhears one (Khamûl) talking with Gaffer Gamgee before he sets out from Bag End with Pippin and Sam. Farmer Maggot is confronted by one, who is inquiring about a "Baggins". The Nazgûl shout at Fredegar Bolger when they invade Buckland, knocking on the door of Crickhollow: "Open, in the name of Mordor!". The Nazgûl talk to Frodo at the Ford of Bruinen ("to Mordor we will take you"). Glóin reports that one visited his King Dain at Erebor, offering gold and Dwarven rings in return for information concerning the thief who stole the "least of rings, a trifle that Sauron fancies". In The Battle of the Pellenor Fields, the Witchking of the Nazgûl holds a short conversation with Gandalf, "Old fool! Do you not know death when you see it? ... Die now and curse in vain!". Later he talks with Éowyn, "No mortal man may hinder me."

In Unfinished Tales, the Nazgûl are seen to talk with GrÃ*ma Wormtongue, Saruman, and a Half-orkish rogue, kicked out of Dunland, who is seen in the Lord of the Rings as a man who looks to Frodo "more than half like a goblin."

*"They cried with the voices of death", --- Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age, The Silmarillion

[Radagast The Brown]

The question is: could they talk with the ents? I'm not sure they could speak well in a "reguler" laguage... but again, they could say words (like you said-"baggins"). I'm not sure the ents will understand.

Perhaps the Witchking Nazgul can talk, and maybe even Khamul too, because he was strong too.

[Sween]

they probably all could speak lets not forget they are men. They however were not ones for debate were they.

[Radagast The Brown]

Actually they aren't men, they were men.

I'm not sure them all could've talk properly.

[Agburanar]

The Ents are a much older force than the Nazgul. I doubt whether one Nazgul could take on Treebeard and his forces. Anyway they might just look like trees to a Ringwraith, let's not forget they don't see very well...

[Radagast The Brown]

could be, but still, I think that even if he willc see them, he won't attack them. The ents are very powerful.

[cassiopeia]

Originally posted by Radagast The Brown
The question is: could they talk with the ents? I'm not sure they could speak well in a "reguler" laguage... but again, they could say words (like you said-"baggins"). I'm not sure the ents will understand.

Perhaps the Witchking Nazgul can talk, and maybe even Khamul too, because he was strong too.

By deduction (or induction, I get confused): the Nazgul could talk to Hobbits and the Hobbits could talk to Ents, so Ents could talk to the Nazgul.

[Radagast The Brown]

originally posted by Cass
By deduction (or induction, I get confused): the Nazgul could talk to Hobbits and the Hobbits could talk to Ents, so Ents could talk to the Nazgul.actaully, I'm not sure that the Nazgul could've talk with the hobbits. They could've say words, but I'm not sure about full sentences.

[Elfstone]

I'm not shere but I think in the return of the king one of the nazgul said to Glorfindel,"give up the halflings".

[Agburanar]

I don't know, but it's possible the confusion is between speaking and communicating. I think the Nazgul could project their 'voices' into the minds of others, but not neccesarily speak out loud. They are certainly described as 'hissing' and one speaks to Pippin through the palantir of Orthanc.

[Radagast The Brown]

I think Agburanar could be right. I really don't know.

But if so, how did they got their powers? from the rings? :confused:

[Agburanar]

Well I'd guess that they are like channels for Sauron to project small amounts of his power through. That's why they grow more powerful as he does. Certainly it's mentioned that many of them were 'sorcerers' before they were ensnared by the rings and that's one reason they were so easily corrupted. I don't doubt the rings would have amplified their powers, but at the time of LoTR their rings were held by Sauron.