Errand of sons of Elrond

[Caleb]

In the Fellowship of the ring when the scouts came back to Rivendell it says the sons of Elrond went and spoke to Elrond of their errand, but would speak of it to no other. Does anyone know where they went, what they did, and what their errand was.

[Artanis]

The sons of Elrond. Elladan and Elrohir, were the last to return; they had made a great journey, passing down the Silverlode into a strange country, but of their errand they would not speak to any save to Elrond.
I believe they journeyed to Lorien and spoke to Galadriel about the quest of the Fellowship. The Silverlode (Celebrant) runs into Lorien, and Galadriel knew about each member of the Fellowship when they entered Lorien.

[markedel]

Of course Galadriel had cool ring powers, and was the oldest Elf after Cirdan (and possibly Celeborn) around so she knew a lot anyways.

[Snowdog]

I always assumed they visited Lorien and held council with Galadriel.

[Nilvasaien]

Originally posted by Snowdog
I always assumed they visited Lorien and held council with Galadriel.

Me too!

[Maren]

I just read that part today (I'm rereading the Fellowship) and I wondered the same thing. I didn't have a map with me, but that Silverlode idea makes a lot of sense.

[Sister Golden Hair]

They always first and formost were about vendicating there mother's torment. I think this was their chief motive, but they took council with Galadriel, thier mother's mother and were always aware of the quest.

[Reumandar]

this might be off subject but... what happend to there mother?
did she die or was she just tormented

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Reumandar
this might be off subject but... what happend to there mother?
did she die or was she just tormented She was captured by Orcs and tormented to such an extream, that after her sons rescued her, she lost all love for life in Middle-earth. She went to Valinor.

[Rían]

I just came across this info in Letter #211 of "The Letters of JRR Tolkien" (a must-read :D ) and thought of this thread, so here it is, from a fellow Elrohir and Elladan fan(me), from a letter written by Tolkien himself : Elrohir, Elladan: these names, given to his sons by Elrond, refer to the fact that they were 'half-elven': they had mortal as well as Elvish ancestors on both sides; Tuor on their father's side, Beren on their mother's. Both signify elf+man. Elrohir might be translated "elf-knight'; rohir being a later form of rochir "horse-lord" ... Elladan might be translated "Elf-Numenorean'. Adan (pl. Edain) was the Sindarin form of the name given to the 'fathers of men', the members of the Three Houses of Elf-friends, whose survivors afterwards became the Numenoreans, or Dun-edain.

[Kirinki54]

Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
They always first and formost were about vendicating there mother's torment. I think this was their chief motive, but they took council with Galadriel, thier mother's mother and were always aware of the quest.

Yes. It is very likely they went to Lothlorien as scouts and messengers. When it came to the brothers always hunting Orcs, I think they did not act randomly but in council foremost with their father and secondly with the dunadain. Why not put their restless vengance into a strategic perspective? Elrond was wise enough to cooperate with the inevitable.

[afro-elf]

Tuor on their father's side, Beren on their mother's


On their MOTHER's side?

how so?

Celebrain was the daughter of Galadriel full elf and Celeborn full elf.

[Rían]

How funny, afro-elf! You've caught JRRT in an error about his own work!!! I was just mindlessly typing in the quote, thinking about the meanings of the names, which I thought was interesting and people in this thread might want to know about, and didn't even think about the ancestry part! You're absolutely right! It's Elrond who has mortal ancestors on both sides - Tuor on his father's, and Beren on his mother's. Major points for you!!

[Keith K]

I find it interesting that all three of Elronds' children forsook their Elven heritage and chose to be accounted among the human race.

[GandalfTheWhite]

Originally posted by Keith K
I find it interesting that all three of Elronds' children forsook their Elven heritage and chose to be accounted among the human race.

didnt one of his brothers too? was elros his brother or am i just thinin crazy cuz its too early?

[Keith K]

You are quite correct GandalfTheWhite, Elronds brother Elros also chose to be accounted human. The blood of the House of Hador ran strong through all of that line.
Perhaps it was the mystery of being human that drew the majority of the Half-elven to choose that fate over an Elven heritage. The Elves seemed to have more of a predestined fate as opposed to Humans. If being human meant having more choices in determining your fate I can better understand why so many chose to remain human. More options in lifestyle were available to humans it seems. The fate and history of Elves were written by Illuvitar while that of Men was left open.

[GandalfTheWhite]

if aragorn was in the blood line of elros and elros was half elven, how come aragorn is not half elven and immortal?

[Dunadan]

I think it's because, once Elros had made his decision, his heirs were bound by it. So you can understand the Numenorean kings' disappointment.

Arwen still had the choice because she was "second generation" halfelven, so to speak. Thereafter, all her kin would be bound by her choice.

Someone mentioned Elladan and Elrohir choosing a mortal life. What's the source for this?

cheers

D.

[GandalfTheWhite]

who did elros marry?

[Keith K]

Originally posted by Dunadan
I think it's because, once Elros had made his decision, his heirs were bound by it. So you can understand the Numenorean kings' disappointment.

Arwen still had the choice because she was "second generation" halfelven, so to speak. Thereafter, all her kin would be bound by her choice.

Someone mentioned Elladan and Elrohir choosing a mortal life. What's the source for this?

cheers

D. Someone mentioned Elladan and Elrohir choosing a mortal life. What's the source for this?

I am searching for the source and will post it when I discover it. However it is written that when Elrond at last forsook mortal lands his children must at that time choose whether to go with him or remain in ME as mortals. (ROTK, appendix A, part V). I do not believe that the sons of Elrond accompanied him to Eldamar. Therefore, they must have become mortal.
The source I am thinking of contains a blurb concerning Celeborn after the deparure of Galadriel. Appearantly he moved out of the Naith and founded East Lorien accross the river in the formerly named Mirkwood Forest. The sons of Elrond joined him there I believe.

[Artanis]

Arwen chose to be mortal when she and Aragorn plighted their troth upon Cerin Amroth in Lorien. Elladan and Elrohir were permitted to delay their choice when Elrond sailed over sea. We know they remained in Imladris for some time, but their fate after that is unknown. I'm very anxious to know about your sources Keith K, since you seem to have other information about this. :)

The faith of the Half-Elven have also been discussed in another thread here, unfortunately I don't remember the name of it.

Celeborn remained in Lorien, but after a few years he grew tired of his realm and went to stay in Imladris with Elrond's sons. Nothing is certain about his fate either, but we must assume he eventually sailed over sea to be reunited with Galadriel in Eressea.

[Dunadan]

.. which claims to summarise all that Tolkien wrote on the subject:
http://www.ansereg.com/elladan_and_elrohir_factsheet.htm

Basically, it says that JRRT intended it to be unknown whether they remained in Middle-Earth as mortals or not.

cheers

d.

[Keith K]

Well ninnyhammers and noodles! I can't seem to find anything else on the fate of the Sons of Elrond. So sorry, but the source I was looking for cannot be found. As has been stated by others they remained in Rivendell after their father departed.