Finrod Felagund is the coolest Elven king (the one in the Silmarillion I mean)

[Finrod Felagund]

FINROD FELAGUND

Thus the realm of Finrod was the greatest by far, though he was the youngest of the great lords of the Noldor.
Felagund strove with Sauron in songs of power, and the power of the king was very great; but Sauron had the mastery as is told in the Lay of Leithian…

Sauron chanted a song of wizardry,
Of piercing, opening, of treachery,
Revealing, uncovering betraying
Then sudden Felagund there swaying
Sang in answer a song of staying
Resisting, battling against power
Of secrets kept, strength like a tower
And trust unbroken, freedom, escape
Of changing and of shifting shape
The prison opening, the chain that snaps

Backwards and forwards swayed their song
Reeling and foundering as ever more strong
The chanting swelled, Felagund fought
And all the magic and might he brought
Of Elvenesse into his words
Softly in the gloom they heard the Birds
Singing afar in Nargothrond
The sighing of the sea beyond
Beyond the western world on sand
On sand of pearls in elvenland

Then the gloom gathered; darkness growing
In Valinor the red blood flowing
Beside the sea where the Noldor slew
The foamriders and stealing drew
Their wite ship with their white sail
From lamplit havens. The wind wails
The wolf howls. The ravens flee.
The ice mutters in the mouths of the sea.
The captives sad in Angband mourn.
Thunder rumbles, the fires burn-
And Finrod fell before the throne.

Thus King Finrod Felagund, fairest and most beloved of the house of Finwe fulfilled his oath.

From Sirion’s Isle they passed away,
But on the hill alone there lay
A green grave, and a stone was set,
And there there lie the white bones yet
Of Finrod fair, Finarfin’s son
Unless that land be changed and gone,
Or foundered in unfathomed seas
While Finrod walks beneath the trees
In Eldamar and comes no more
To the grey world of tears and war

The green grave of Finrod Finarfin's son, fairest of all the princes of the elves, remained inviolate.
But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.

[Ñólendil]

I think Thingol was much cooler. I know SGH agrees with me.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Ñólendil
I think Thingol was much cooler. I know SGH agrees with me. Right!!! He's crazy Finrod, and I am not talking about Thingol.

[afro-elf]

Thanks to SHG I don have a great appreciation for finrod. But I'm partial to Fingolfin

[Andúril]

My favourite seems to be Ingwe. I'm not sure why.

Second on my list would be Elwe.

[afro-elf]

when someone mentions ingwie I always think of yngwie malmsteen

[Finrod Felagund]

Elwe is cool and Fingolfin rocks.
Ingwe really doesn't do anything, as cool as he may be.
Fingon's cool and so is Gil Galad.
Orodreth is kinda wimpy but Turgon rocks.
FINROD IS STILL THE BEST!!!!!!!:D

[Ñólendil]

I'd love to know more about Denethor son of Denweg, the first and last King of the Laegrim, Green-elves.

[Tar-Elendil]

Any king of Númenórë is far cooler than any...elf...
;)

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Tar-Elendil
Any king of Númenórë is far cooler than any...elf...
;) Uh, I think you should rethink that. Especially in light of who is being discussed here. I wouldn't want to have to find Gurthang and make use of it.:p

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by afro-elf
Thanks to SHG I don have a great appreciation for finrod. But I'm partial to Fingolfin Um, afro-elf, I know that with you being the "Elven Lord of Typing Errors" that SHG means me, but what does "don mean? Do, or don't?:rolleyes:

[afro-elf]

Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
Um, afro-elf, I know that with you being the "Elven Lord of Typing Errors" that SHG means me, but what does "don mean? Do, or don't?:rolleyes:

my deepest apologizes mrs. finrod.

that should be DO

SGH SGH SGH SGH SGH surprise

ok maybe it will stick

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by afro-elf


my deepest apologizes mrs. finrod.

that should be DO

SGH SGH SGH SGH SGH surprise

ok maybe it will stick Thank you for clearing that up afro-elf. You don't have to call me Mrs. Finrod. My title speaks for itself:D .

[Radagast The Brown]

I like Fingolfin and Finrod more then Thingol. He did sone bad things in his life.

[Tar-Elendil]

well..as far as the nauglafring goes with thingol, that wasnt entirely his fault..remember he was under the curse of MÃŽm the Dwarf.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Tar-Elendil
well..as far as the nauglafring goes with thingol, that wasnt entirely his fault..remember he was under the curse of MÃŽm the Dwarf. Where does it say that?:confused:

[Tar-Elendil]

well i forgot that there are diff versions..
the one im speaking of is when t he elf Ufedhin was with the Nauglath..thingol gave them gold to let them craft in their halls at Nagrod..they brought them back and asked if they could place the silmaril intot he necklace of the dwarves..after their work was complete they asked for each of them seven jewels of valinor, a few bags of silver dust, and a few of gold dust .. for this he gave all of them lashes..then he gave them nine pieces of gold and one of silver and a small gem. but then for payment of ufedhin staying in his halls he took 1 gold piece and 2 silver from all of them.. imt akina ll this from memory so correct me if im wrong..i think he would have acted differently if the necklace hadnt the curse of Mîm upon it..ofcourse he wouldnt given them all they requested, but it would have been more for their great work with the necklace and silmaril.

[Finrod Felagund]

Mrs Finrod?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Oh boy I'd forgotten. SGH said we were married but I really didn't believe her.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Finrod Felagund
Mrs Finrod?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Oh boy I'd forgotten. SGH said we were married but I really didn't believe her. Yes my king, we are married. You are going to have to find a way to break the news to Amarie.:D

[Ñólendil]

Tar-Elendil, I can tell by the names ("Ufedhin" and "Nauglath" tells me something right away) you're following a much earlier version. Is that Book of Lost Tales or something? The later Elwe Thindicollo was not under any sort of curse from Mîm, but I think the real story of what happened is so obsure and mysterious it's beyond anyone to pass judgment. Besides what is said in The Hobbit, the only thing we can be sure about is that "Thingol quarreled with the Dwarves" (from the Grey Annals).

[Tar-Elendil]

not sure..gettin it from my memory but cant seem to remember where i read it..it might have been lost tales
well anyways..that variation is much better than the one in the silmarillion;)

[Finrod Felagund]

Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
Yes my king, we are married. You are going to have to find a way to break the news to Amarie.:D


Amarie, well she didn't come to Middle-Earth so it;'s her fault but I still don't know how we got married without me knowing it.:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Finrod Felagund



Amarie, well she didn't come to Middle-Earth so it;'s her fault but I still don't know how we got married without me knowing it.:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: It must have been that night you drank too much Murivore.:D

[Finrod Felagund]

oh yeah. Galadriel must've been visiting Melian in Doriath, she usually tried to keep me sober.:p

[Wayfarer]

He chanted a song of wizardry. Otherwise you're spoty on. I've memorized that section as well.

It's more interesting if you read the Lays of Beleriand. HTere you can get the context, and some humorous dialogue from melkor and sauron.

[Ñólendil]

What's humorous about it?

Though I think it is funny Felagund told Thû their names were Nereb and Dungalef.

[Makamu]

I like Finrod, Fingon, Fingolfin, Ingwe, Turgon and Maedhros best, though I can't say why:D

[Dwarven Sen]

As a Dwarf, but also the best friend of an elf, I have to say that I liked Thingol until he decided to lock Luthien in a tower. I liked Turgon, but then he went and got proud and wouldnt listen to Tuor. Eol is a........(finding a word that wont get me bannned)......not very pleseant person. Feanor is twisted, and my friend wishes he didnt die, but i m glad that he did. Yep, Id have to say that Finrod is my favourite, except i dont understand why he decided to help men so much, most men are.........( finding a word that wont get me bannned)......not very pleseant. Elrond is the wisest though.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Dwarven Sen
As a Dwarf, but also the best friend of an elf, I have to say that I liked Thingol until he decided to lock Luthien in a tower. I liked Turgon, but then he went and got proud and wouldnt listen to Tuor. Eol is a........(finding a word that wont get me bannned)......not very pleseant person. Feanor is twisted, and my friend wishes he didnt die, but i m glad that he did. Yep, Id have to say that Finrod is my favourite, except i dont understand why he decided to help men so much, most men are.........( finding a word that wont get me bannned)......not very pleseant. Elrond is the wisest though. Elrond, or Cirdan might be the wisest in LotRs, or the Third Age, but Finrod Felagund was considered to be the wisest of the Exiles in the First Age.

[Elvellon]

Originally posted by Dwarven Sen

...Yep, Id have to say that Finrod is my favourite, except i dont understand why he decided to help men so much...


He saw the potential that Humankind has, both for good and evil.

He was well aware of human flaws, but felt compassion for humans; yet, human virtues he admired.

[Ñólendil]

Elrond, or Cirdan might be the wisest in LotRs, or the Third Age, but Finrod Felagund was considered to be the wisest of the Exiles in the First Age.

Minor niggle: according to Galadriel, at the time of the War of the Ring the wisest of the Elves was Celeborn.

[galadriel]

Celeborn was considerably older than Elrond, so it follows that he might be wiser due to accumulated experience. Cirdan, while undoubtably wise, seemed to be constantly off at some haven or another while much of the action of the first three ages was taking place. Still, I'd say it's a close call between him and Celeborn.

Maybe Galadriel's just biased. ;)

Finrod is certainly the wisest elf of the First Age. He's by far my favorite elf in the Silmarillion. (Well, I admit it, I also have an irrational soft spot for Maedhros. He wasn't perfect, but he was a good guy at heart.)

[Ñólendil]

When Galadriel said Celeborn the Wise was the wisest of the Eldar, her words were "He is accounted .." the wisest of the Eldar, emphasis mine. She was not the only one who thought him the wisest.

I think Celeborn's wisdom was prudence. CÃ*rdan had more to do with foresight.

At the time of the War of the Ring, CÃ*rdan was probably the oldest Elf that was alive and living in Middle-earth. At least in the Northwestern region we're familiar with.

It's interesting to note that CÃ*rdan and Celeborn belonged to the same family. Celeborn was Thingol's grand nephew, and CÃ*rdan is vaguely described as being of "the kin of Thingol" (the exact relationship is never made explicit).

Hehe, then again, Celeborn and CÃ*rdan were both related to Elrond and Galadriel, weren't they? :) All the powerful Elves seem to be among the nobles, for some reason.

[Dwarven Sen]

Ahh, elitism. It must be a class thing. Well, i still like elrond, but Finrod is best in early years.
Talking of family and kin.... how is celeborn related to legolas?
I know that celeborn and thranduil are related to elrond and thingol, but what is their own relationship, second cousin three times removed?

[galadriel]

I know that Oropher, Legolas's granddaddy, was a Sindar, but was he related to Thingol? He could have been. I just don't know.

[Elvellon]

Oropher and the sindar that went with him were originally from Doriath, but there isn’t any indication (that I’m aware off) that he and Thingol were kin.

[Ñólendil]

Talking of family and kin.... how is celeborn related to legolas?

I assume you're referring to Celeborn's words to Legolas, which were something like "Welcome Legolas, son of Thranduil! Too seldom do my kindred journey here from the North!". When this passage was first written, Celeborn was conceived of as a Wood-elf. Now that we know him to be Grey-elven, I suppose the passage should be interpreted to mean that by "my kindred" Celeborn meant the sort of Elves he ruled as Lord of Lothlórien.

On the other hand, Legolas was also a Sinda. So by "kindred" Celeborn could have simply meant "Grey-elves".

If Legolas and Celeborn were related, it would have to be very distantly indeed.

[Dwarven Sen]

oh, okay thank you, i was told that the distant kin of thingol, after doriath was destroyed, created thenew elven realms, ie in lorien and mirkwood, in rememberance of their fair home of old.

[Christiana]

Gil-Galad and Finrod.

[elendili]

Turgon is the coolest by far he even had the sense to build a beautiful hidden city with fountains and stuff but he was stupid and didn't listen to Tuor's warning stupid elf :mad:

As a Dwarf, but also the best friend of an elf

Excuse me what about me a Ranger, hmph mad at you now :p

[Dwarven Sen]

Hey leave Turgon alone, he was cool, he liked the sea, he was friends with the sea. The sea is cool, so he was proud, so what, i would be too if i built a beautiful city.
You arent a ranger, you dont like the counrtyside enough. You wanted to be a horticulturist for gods sake.

[elendili]

BOTANIST therefore try to preserve countryside

The elves of Mirkwood are quite cool Legolas' Dad is a cool King

[Elvellon]

If a tad to greedy…;)

[elendili]

You can never be too rich, too thin or too greedy :D

[Elvellon]

If so he got it all:rolleyes: :D

[elendili]

Yep the super elven King who has everything

[Christiana]

Hey guys,theres a thread called thranduil the greedy in the hobbit forum.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Yeah. This thread is about the greatest Elf to ever live. Finrod:p

[Ñólendil]

*vomits* Finrod doesn't come close, my poor, old, old, very old friend. The greatest of the Eldalië was Lúthien Tinúviel, more fair than mortal tongue can tell. Finrod was just Lúthien's nagging little half-witted second cousin (once removed). The poor man was just too far away from Thingol to share the holy Light of that family. I am sorry, but you have to come to terms with this.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Ñólendil
*vomits* Finrod doesn't come close, my poor, old, old, very old friend. The greatest of the Eldalië was Lúthien Tinúviel, more fair than mortal tongue can tell. Finrod was just Lúthien's nagging little half-witted second cousin (once removed). The poor man was just too far away from Thingol to share the holy Light of that family. I am sorry, but you have to come to terms with this. Listen you. If I want to think he is the greatest Elf, then I will. I can't help it that you can't see the light. Furthermore, keep your yak to yourself. You are nothing but a Thingol lover.:p

[Willow Oran]

Luthien might be more powerful than Finrod but if it weren't for him Beren would have been killed and Luthien probably would've died of grief. Personally my favorite elf would have to be Glorfindel. He's the only Elf that bothered to return to Middle Earth after dying. All the others went through Mandos' halls and then stayed in Valinor.

[Ñólendil]

I think he's just the only named Elf ever to have done so.

[Narwen Mithwing]

I'd have to say that Finrod is by far the best Elven-king. How many of the others were willing to sacrifice their lives for a friend's son? And if you've read the Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth, I'll make this comment also. How many of the princes of the Elves do you see talking on equal terms with a human woman? I don't see Thingol doing that. And none of Feanor's sons either.

[Ñólendil]

There is Aegnor, Finrod's brother. He fell in love with the very same human woman you are referring to, keep in mind.

[Narwen Mithwing]

OK, OK, so Aegnor was cool too. :) Maybe he got that from his big brother ;)

[Christiana]

is that in lost tales?

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Christiana
is that in lost tales? The Athrabeth is in Morgoth's Ring, volume 10 of the Histories of Middle-earth Series.

[Christiana]

o.muches graseas(sp)

[Nilvasaien]

You all make very persuasive arguments for your various choices, but I have to go with Fingolfin, for having the sheer brass to challenge Morgoth to single combat.

[Ñólendil]

Muchas gracias.

I have to go with Fingolfin, for having the sheer brass to challenge Morgoth to single combat.

I think there was a bit more than valour involved. Despair and madness, for instance.

[Blackheart]

Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
Where does it say that?:confused:

Actually he was under the curse of Morgoth.

Hurin's last act as Melkor's thrall was to bring him the necklace...

Draw your own conclusions.

Oh and Finrod?

Sorry. Fingolfin had more balls.

But then, talking about the best elf is a bit like talking about the smartest monkey.

It's all relative. :rolleyes:

[Sister Golden Hair]

Um, excuse me. Fingolfin may have fought your boyfriend in single combat, but he hardly had the wisdom or brilliance that Finrod had. Sorry.:p

[Blackheart]

Yes. I do love myself little one. Never forget it.

Wisdom and brilliance to dig a deep hole and hide in it eh?

Oh, and to get himself captured and whacked to save some tart's man. :rolleyes:

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Blackheart
Yes. I do love myself little one. Never forget it.

Wisdom and brilliance to dig a deep hole and hide in it eh?

Oh, and to get himself captured and whacked to save some tart's man. :rolleyes: You know, It usually isn't a good idea to say ugly things about Finrod to me. If you are refering to Nargothrond then Thingol must be guilty of that, and Ulmo must be a real jerk for telling Finrod to do it. Give me a break. Talk to me about Finrod when you have something to say.

[Ñólendil]

I have something to say SGH:

I really wish Thingol would have slapped his peskly little nephew around a bit. You know, show him who's The-Tallest-Person-In-The-World. Let him know who's The-High-King-Of-Beleriand and that sort of thing.

[Blackheart]

Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
You know, It usually isn't a good idea to say ugly things about Finrod to me. If you are refering to Nargothrond then Thingol must be guilty of that, and Ulmo must be a real jerk for telling Finrod to do it. Give me a break. Talk to me about Finrod when you have something to say.

Never liked Ulmo anyway, always dripping on the carpet at meetings. As for Thingol I blame Melian for that.

However I do have something to say. The jocular tone expressed earlier seems to have evaporated, and you demand substance. So be it.

The stone hewer forsook his advice from Ulmo, built a strong hold (as did Turgon), and then left his kingdom in the hands of unscroupulous nobles (sons of Feanor) in order to uphold his vow.

If Fingolfin sacrificed himself out of despair and vainglory, at least there was a clear heir, and the end was more noble.

Finrod however, sacrificed himself (and he did know he was going to his doom) for honor, another form of pride (and arguably vainglory). He left no heir, and only a weak succesion, and the leadership of Nargrothond was in doubt. Which caused problems later. Bad problems.

I don't see that as wisdom, nor significantly different from Fingolfin. He was just more resgined and calculated about it.

Secondly, he dueled with Sauron. In sorcery, or arcanus if you will. It wasn't quite the battle that Fingolfin had. It was with the leftenant of Morgoth, and lacked somewhat in nobility, though he did manage to kill the werewolf.

If you wish to argue his other accomplishments then by all means, lets do so. I think I can provide serious discussion if that's what you prefer.

[Sister Golden Hair]

My dear Blackheart, let me appologize for my earlier outburst. It was actually meant in jest, but I neglectfully left out the smilies.

I believe this, all the Noldor were tainted by the Doom of Mandos including Finrod, Fingolfin, and every other of the princes and princesses of the Noldor. None of them were capable of defeating the evil side but would all give it their best shot. I don't think that makes Fingolfin a better Elf, warrior, or king then Finrod was, and the same is true of the reverse. Finrod did not defy the words of Ulmo, he did exactly as he was told to do, which was to find or build a hidden fortress in the event evil struck, which he did with Thingol's aid. Turgon had problems and Ulmo had to come to him again and guide him. Saying things like "Finrod dug a hole to hide in" sounds cowardly and selfish. Finrod delved Nargothrond for the safety of his people not just himself. Furthermore, the realm of Nargothrond was the largest in all of Beleriand and guarded well from the Guarded Plain, Amon Ethir that Finrod raised with great labor, and the Pass of Sirion from Minas Tirith, which was lost I believe in the breaking of the Siege of Angband. Also, Finrod had no children, and left his rule to his nephew as a Steward, not as king. Finrod didn't intend on not returning, and Orodreth did not take the kingship of Nargothrond until after Finrod's death. I think it is Orodreth's week will to be so easily influenced by Turin was what caused Nargothrond's demise. This had little to do with Finrod.

Hithlum was first established and became the place of the High Kingship after Fingolfin accepted it from Meadhros, but the other major Noldorin kingdoms were all hidden. Does it matter so much that it was underground? Does that make Turgon braver then Finrod because his was not? I don't think so. And I think all of our Noldorin heros are guilty of making some bad choices. "Digging a hole to hide in" Seems to me an unfair way of saying things about a guy that truly was as great as any of the princes of the Noldor.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Ñólendil
I have something to say SGH:

I really wish Thingol would have slapped his peskly little nephew around a bit. You know, show him who's The-Tallest-Person-In-The-World. Let him know who's The-High-King-Of-Beleriand and that sort of thing. Nolendil, I always overlook anything you have to say about Finrod.:p

[Ñólendil]

The demise of Nargothrond does have something to do with Finrod. Finrod knew very well he was going to his death. He told Galadriel that he would swear an oath and it would bring about his end. He perceived that it had come upon him at last when he was talking with Beren. He also knew that nothing of his realm "would endure that a son should inherit".

Granted, the destruction of Nargothrond had much more to do with Arothir and Túrin -- and actually Morgoth and Glaurung when you get down to it.

But I don't think Finrod did what he did for his own honor (unless you mean: integrity), not for public esteem or anything like that. He was honoring an oath he had made, he was helping out a good friend for a noble cause, as romantic and absurd as that cause may sound. He was also paying back his debts. He owed Beren's father his life and he gave it.

There's no arguing Findaráto's wisdom. Tolkien himself named him the wisest of the Elves of his day (in Middle-earth).

[Sister Golden Hair]

The demise of Nargothrond does have something to do with Finrod. Finrod knew very well he was going to his death. He told Galadriel that he would swear an oath and it would bring about his end. He perceived that it had come upon him at last when he was talking with Beren. He also knew that nothing of his realm "would endure that a son should inherit".Finrod had a foresight of his death and destruction of Nargothrond as he spoke to Galadriel. It does say that he knew that his doom was upon him when he was speaking to Beren. This does not mean that in Finrod's mind this was the time. He only suspected that it might be. When he took the crown of Nargothrond and cast it at his feet, and Edrahil picks it up and asks that it be given to a steward to govern in Finrod's place til his return, Finrod takes the crown and gives it to Orodreth to " govern in his stead" Orodreth never claims the kingship until he knows that Finrod is indeed dead. Finrod had no way of Knowing for sure that this was his time. As for the fall of Nargothrond, how was he in anyway responsible? He only knew that it would happen. What could he have done to stop it? It was in the cards.

[Christiana]

Finrodj and Fingolfin and Gil-galad and Fingon are all cool!

[Blackheart]

Well that's my point. If he strongly suspected he was going to his doom, he might have spent a bit more time choosing a better succesor...

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Blackheart
Well that's my point. If he strongly suspected he was going to his doom, he might have spent a bit more time choosing a better succesor... It just didn't work that way. Finrod had no children, and his brothers had been killed. Orodreth was the next in line.

[Blackheart]

Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
It just didn't work that way. Finrod had no children, and his brothers had been killed. Orodreth was the next in line.

Then he should have got on his duty with the booty! And produced an heir. :p

[Sister Golden Hair]

I hate it that Orodreth had to take his place. Can you imagine if Orodreth had lived, he would have been High King. YIKES!

[Narwen Mithwing]

That is a scary thought!:eek: :p

[Ñólendil]

Worked out well for his son.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Yeah, Gil-galad was cool.

[BeardofPants]

Another one on the Finrod bandwagon... for the reasons all stated above. :p

[Beruthiel]

Oh, the whole story is SO sad......*breaks down on false tears*
But really, I cried when I read of Finrod Felagund and Fingolfin's deaths! It's horrible...really....
Such tragedy! Reminds me of Hamlet's last scene...Fortinbras walks in, and everybody was dead!

[thingol]

finrod is the coolest

[Blackheart]

:rolleyes:

Elves can't compete with humans for coolness anyway.

[Radagast The Brown]

are you mean that elves can't be more cool then men? :eek:

[Beruthiel]

Are Elves cooler? Bah. That's not the subject. I won't say yes or no, but hey, they do have sex less often, so you might say they're rather icy...
(Dont hit me!) Arggg....:rolleyes:

[Christiana]

just cuz ur a perv,doesnt mean we are.:D :p ;)

[Sister Golden Hair]

Get back on topic folks.

[Christiana]

right,er...Finrod,Fingolfin,Fingon and Gilgalad r all the best!

[Radagast The Brown]

I agree. I like them all. I just prefer Galdariel and Fingolfin. (i like finrod too, but less then them)

[UnStashable]

Um Im kinda going on the Silm version but to me Finrods death seemed almost well pointless isn't the word I want but I can't think of the right one. I mean if Huan and Luthien had gotten there liek an hour earlier wouldn't he have lived?

Of course if everyone else is going on a differnt version i just look like a giant jackass.

[Gilrond]

What about Fingolfin, High King of the Noldor?

Sure, he's not as reknowned as Finrod, but you have to admit, he's pretty cool.

After the Dagor Bragollach, when Fingolfin thought the Noldor ruined to naught, he rode "like a wind amid the dust" to Angband's gates, and there he smote his challenge, "and named Morgoth craven, and lorde of slaves."

Morgoth came, and they fought in single combat, and "many times Morgoth essayed to smite him, and each time Fingolfin leaped away, as a lightning shoots from under a dark cloud; and he wounded Morgoth with seven wounds, and seven times Morgoth gave a cry of anguish, whereat the hosts of Angband fell upon their faces in dismay, and the cries echoed in the North-lands."

"But at last the King grew weary, and Morgoth bore down his shield upon him. Thrice he was crushed to his knees, and thrice rose again and bore up his broken shield and stricken helm. But the earth was all rent and pitted about him and he stumbled and fell backward before the feet of Morgoth; and Morgoth set his foot upon his neck, and the weight of it was like a fallen hill. Yet with his last and desperate stroke Fingolfin hewed the foot with Ringil, and the blood gushed forth black and smoking and filled the pits of Grond."

"Thus died Fingolfin, High King of the Noldor, most proud and valiant of the Elven-kings of old."

Maybe not the brightest choice, but certainly valiant. What do you think? :)

[Rían]

Finrod's great! Even though he knew "that the oath he had sworn was come upon him for his death", he kept his word and helped Beren.
I also like Fingolfin, though - he left Valinor even though he didn't want to go, because he loved his people and didn't want to leave them to "the rash counsels of Feanor", and also because of his words before the throne of Manwe.
(this is my first post! I've really enjoyed reading everyone's comments! :) )

[Christiana]

Welcome to the Moot!:)

[Caleb]

Fingolfin could kick Finrods butt any day of the week.

[Radagast The Brown]

That's why I like him more, and because, ammmm... he's very cool? I have no particular reason. (by the way, I did mentioned him)
originally posted by RÃ*an
I also like Fingolfin, though - he left Valinor even though he didn't want to go, because he loved his people and didn't want to leave them to "the rash counsels of Feanor", and also because of his words before the throne of Manwe. Is it a bad thing? I think it's a good thing, to be with your people when they need a leader that will consolidate them.

[Rían]

Originally posted by Radagast The Brown
Is it a bad thing? I think it's a good thing, to be with your people when they need a leader that will consolidate them.

I think it's GREAT what Fingolfin did!! He loved his people so much he was willing to leave Valinor even though he didn't want to. My wording must have been a little unclear - sorry :)
(p.s. - thank you all for the welcomes!)

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Caleb
Fingolfin could kick Finrods butt any day of the week. Um, sorry, but they were nephew and uncle. Why would they wish to? Anyway, I am not saying that Fingolfin wasn't a great warrior, afterall he fought Morgoth. But give credit where it's due my friend. Finrod was a great Elven king and a wonderful person besides. This isn't all about kicking butt you know?

[UnStashable]

To Violence, The Cause of, and solution to: All of life's problems.

[Radagast The Brown]

originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
Um, sorry, but they were nephew and uncle. Why would they wish to? He meant (I think) that Fingolfin was stronger then Finrod.
originally posted by SGH
But give credit where it's due my friend. Finrod was a great Elven king and a wonderful person besides. This isn't all about kicking butt you know?Of course, but Fingolfin was a great elf and a great king and he was smart to, and I liked him, I don't know why...

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Radagast The Brown
He meant (I think) that Fingolfin was stronger then Finrod.
Of course, but Fingolfin was a great elf and a great king and he was smart to, and I liked him, I don't know why... True, he was, but this thread is really about Finrod, not Fingolfin. I think trying to compare Finrod and Fingolfin is just plain silly. Who is to say who is the strongest. Not every Elf fought Morgoth. we don't know how effective they would have been if they had. we only know how effective Fingolfin was. That doesn't make him the mightiest elf or the greatest IMO. It simply makes him another one of the Eldar who like Finrod were great in their own right and deeds.

[Christiana]

I agree.but dont forget Gil-galad ot Fingon.

[Radagast The Brown]

yeah yeah yeah...

originally posted by SGH
True, he was, but this thread is really about Finrod, not Fingolfin. I think trying to compare Finrod and Fingolfin is just plain silly. Who is to say who is the strongest. Not every Elf fought Morgoth. we don't know how effective they would have been if they had. we only know how effective Fingolfin was. That doesn't make him the mightiest elf or the greatest IMO. It simply makes him another one of the Eldar who like Finrod were great in their own right and deeds.I guess you're right. Still, you could guess who's stronger. I like Fingolfin more than Finrod, and I know SGH like Finrod more. :rolleyes:

[Rían]

One of my favorite sections about Finrod is in chapter 17 in the Sil (of the coming of men into the west) where Finrod gets tired of hunting with Maglor and Maedhros and first sees the people of Beor. He doesn't just barge in on them (like I imagine the sons of Feanor would) but just watches until they all fall asleep, then picks up one of their harps and plays and sings so beautifully that as the men awake, they all think they are in some fair dream.
"Wisdom was in the words of the Elven-king, and the hearts grew wiser that hearkened to him ... [and] Felagund dwelt among them and taught them true knowledge, and they loved him..."
What a nice section. No wonder the people loved him!

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Christiana
I agree.but dont forget Gil-galad ot Fingon. Fingon is not forgotten in my mind. Gil-galad was a great Elven king also. Here, we are talking about Finrod. Gil-galad was not an Elf of Aman. Not one of the Exiles. Was he great? Yes he was.

[Finrod Felagund]

Finrod had no children because his love, Amarie of the Vanyar, stayed in Valinor.

AND...

Violence is not the answer unless the question is "what is not the answer?"

[Ñólendil]

Violence is not the answer unless the question is "what is not the answer?"

I like that! A delightful piece of wisdom (delightful probably for it's truth and cleverness).

[Radagast The Brown]

originally posted by FF
Violence is not the answer unless the question is "what is not the answer?"Do you mean about the thing "who will win if Fingolfin and Finrod will fight?"? So the answer is - it's not the point of the question. It's about who's stronger.

[Blackheart]

Violence solves everything. You just have to use enough of it.

[Andúril]

Please, Finrod.....Fingolfin.....they all suck - okay Fingolfin kicks ass, but...

Ingwe still rules! Um.....wait, he does.....Ingwe for president!

:confused:

Come on people, there's got to be a reason why Ingy is high king of all elves, I mean......he could have prolly tuned Feanor to do stuff for him without trouble arising......what a hectic dude.....

Get those piiiiiills away.....

[Sister Golden Hair]

You know, I don't understand why everyone is trying to pit Fingolfin and Finrod against each other. Just because Fingolfin beat on Morgoth does not mean he is better and stronger. If Finrod had done it instead, you all would say the same about him. Finrod and Fingolfin were both strong and were both descendents of Finwe, and they were on the same side. This conversation is silly.