Unveiled secret

[Fat middle]

new picture: www.theonering.net/movie/.../large/708 (http://www.theonering.net/movie/s****book/large/708)

it's just me, or is there a woman riding, hair to the wind, with a hobbit behind in the first row of the Rohirrim?

too little time to develop Eowyn's story? too little time to develop Merry's story?

:( this is no good, i think.

[arynetrek]

that pic was kind of blurry - couldn't ID Eowyn or Merry. but if PJ & co. are cutting their little masquerade, it wouldn't surprise me too much - after all, they did cut Bombadil & ruin Arwen.

She who has little faith in the movie biz,
aryne *

[Eruve]

aryne, in the group of four riders in the front, the rider on the far left, just under the camera, looks like a woman with a smaller rider behind her. Impossible to tell who the actress is; it's likely a stunt double anyway.

[Grand Admiral Reese]

I can't really tell. All the Rohirrim had long hair anyways. And they would have large packs with them on the way to battle. But what astounds me is that none of the forward line of Riders have any helms on! They must be eager to get an Orc arrow to the face!

[Fat middle]

i've read somewhere that the extras are using only dark horses. the white ones are reserved for some of the main characters (Gandalf, Theoden...) or their stunt(wo)men. This one rides a white horse, ergo (s)he's one of the main characters.

GAR: it may be a large pack, but why would (s)he put a cloak on it :p

[arynetrek]

they don't have any helms on because it's a MOVIE SPECTACULAR! made for MODERN MOVIE AUDIENCES! they couldn't even recpgnize any of the actors without seeing them clearly! and besides, why make sense (or follow the author's wishes...) when you can make MONEY off of IDIOTS!

excuse the cynicism,
aryne *

[IronParrot]

That's not necessarily anything like a shot from the film that will be seen anyway. It's just a photo of them in costume on set - possibly not in full costume, due to the absence of helms.

[Gilthalion]

I will try in the next day or two to do a tighter zoom and enhancement. (I've been fantastically busy lately!)

[GlaurungTheGold]

that large pack looks like it's wearing a helmet :p

[arynetrek]

Gil, what photoediting program do you use? i've got Adobe Photoshop, but am critically low on RAM so i rarely get to use it.

aryne *

[Gilthalion]

http://home.att.net/~robertwgardner/rohan02.JPG

http://home.att.net/~robertwgardner/rohan01.jpg

EDIT:Sorry to take so long moving these pics to another server. They were previously hosted on Geocities, which discontinued this helpful service.

[arynetrek]

that pack does look like it's wearing a helmet. he he he!

BTW, i use adobe photoshop home edition.

aryne *

[Shanamir Duntak]

The rider just aside of the helmed pack seems to be Theoden. If so, then it must be the scene just before the Nazgul King.

[Eldoran LFD]

The rider with the hobbit is probably Legolas.
In the movie he has long hair and as far as I know one of the hobbits remained with Legolas, Gimli and aragorn in the battle of helm's deep and stuff.

[Eruve]

No hobbits were present at Helm's Deep. Sam and Frodo were going to Mordor and Merry and Pippin were with the Ents at Isengard during the Battle of Helm's Deep. The actor playing Legolas doesn't have blonde hair.

[Gilthalion]

I'm afraid the rider does look feminine. Not like Theoden at all! I also do not remember Merry riding with Theoden. He had his own pony. He later rode with Eowyn/Dernhelm.

This means that the original surmise of this thread may be correct, that we have an example of a rewrite before our eyes, since there is no scene where Eowyn rides unhelmed with Merry and at the forefront of the Riders with the standard. The two white horses suggest Eowyn and Theoden.

Or that this was not actually filmed and what we have here is a random shot. (Doubtful)

Or that they deliberately staged this to drive us mad mad mad I tell you!

[adanedhel]

Could it possibly be Legolas and Gimli? They rode together on one horse after Helm's Deep.

[Gilthalion]

Hmmmmmmmmm!

[Leonides]

That is definetly, without a doubt Legolas and Gimli.

The outfit is the same one we see Legolas wearing in the newer pics and in the movies Legolas has blond hair (as he rightly should). Plus, the other person is too tall and stout to be a Hobbit -- and the Hobbits didn't use helmets, I don't think.

Yep. 100% Legolas and Gimli -- that makes this a cool pic!

[Fat middle]

well, Leonides, Gilthalion made a marvellous work with his Adobe Photoshop, but even so i wouldn't adventure a guess about the outfit of that rider.

...but perhaps it's only a problem of my old monitor <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/ohwell.gif ALT=":\">

and the hobbits in the movies dont't seen to be very short...

[Leonides]

What do you mean? The Hobbits are the appropriate size in the movies (3' 6") and that person certainly isn't any shorter then 4 feet! Plus, the Hobbits never wore any helmets, and they didn't have beards.

And that is Legolas for certain. I'm telling you, that's his outfit. The white on his arms give it away. Compare it to the cool pics of him on the main site and you'll see what I mean.

[Inoldonil]

The Stoors could infact grow beards so that's not entirely true. The Hobbits look pretty short to me.

[Leonides]

Yes, well we don't have any Stoors joining the Fellowship, now do we?

Trust me, it's a Dwarf and THAT is Legolas.

[Inoldonil]

I am on your side. I haven't looked at the picture but I am sure it is Gimli and Legolas. I was just nit-picking about something you obviously know enough about not to be badgered with. But the Hobbits of Buckland (which was founded by an ancestor of the Brandybucks, either a Brandybuck himself or a Hobbit of an older name I don't remember, perhaps Oldbuck, who at any rate built Brandyhall) were mostly of Stoorish blood. All the same Merry did not have a beard, so it doesn't matter.

[DanHot]

In the picture Legolas and Gimli are riding together in the front line. Of course Legolas is going to look feminine he is an Elf! Male elves are just as fair looking as female elves. If you look at the end of the LOTR trailer you can see Legolas up close and see that he is a long haired blonde and is very feminine. :)

[Inoldonil]

I'm not touching that one with a 20 foot battle lance.

[Gilthalion]

http://home.att.net/~robertwgardner/rohan01.jpg

http://home.att.net/~robertwgardner/rohan02.JPG

I've rehosted these photos on my ATT service, since GeoCities no longer hosts pitures outside its sites.

In other pictures of Gimli, the helmet looks distinctly different. This one has quite an overhang, like the Star Wars helmets on Empire Technicians.

Also, Legolas does NOT look feminine to me!

(And I've been watching feminine for longer than anyone else on this board!)

EDIT: Finally figured out why i couldn't make that image download! Doh!

But, if it is Gimli and Legolas, the photo then makes sense. Hopefully, this is the case, and Jackson has not rewritten another scene.

We'll know if we catch a glimpse on another trailer, on new publicity, or on the screen December 2002.

[biriwilg]

I don't know who that is, but it isn't Legolas. Can't you see that they're wearing a skirt?

[Gilthalion]

I actually can't tell if there is a skirt or not. Could be pants, could be a tunic. If it's Eowyn, she's going to be dressed as a rider anyway!

[Inoldonil]

That is most deffinitely Legolas and Gimli, and there is no skirt.

[Leonides]

Inoldonil is correct! Look at what Legolas is wearing! It's the same thing he's wearing the the Fellowship trailer!

[biriwilg]

And I didn't say it was Eowyn either.

[Gilthalion]

But look at the helmet on the half-pint. Gimli's helmet doesn't match that at all!

http://www.companyofthering.co.nz/images/cast/fm-gimli.jpg

I think that is conclusive.

[Leonides]

So what are you saying? That it's Eowyn wearing Legolas's clothes, with longer, blonder hair? That one of the Hobbits sprouted a beard, found a helmet lying around, and grew about a foot and a half?

I don't think so. It could be a different helmet (plus the pic you posted was a very OLD makeup test), or we could simply be seeing it from a different angle.

I'm afraid all the facts of the pic are completely in favor of it being Legolas and Gimli on horseback.

[anduin]

I have been following this thread since it's beginning. I have looked and looked at this "helmet" and it has become very clear to me that it is a motorcross helmet. Why anyone would be wearing such a helmet is what you all should be discussing.

[Fat middle]

:lol: good one, anduin :rollin:

and happy bithday!! i'm nearer to my death day ;)

[Gilthalion]

I'd prefer to believe that's Gimli and therefore Legolas.

But it just doesn't look right to me! Otherwise that seems to be Theoden, Eomer, and Aragorn, which would suggest it's Legolas & Gimli.

Assuming the producers have not introduced something else.

[Inoldonil]

That's not conclusive Gil, the helmet Gimli wore in the teaser trailer is exactly the same design as the one in our picture we're discussing.

[biriwilg]

Geez...

[anduin]

Thanks FM....you are the only one at this board that remembered. ;)

[adanedhel]

Even if the helmet on the alleged Gimli is different, it does not mean that it is not Gimli...he chose a new helm at Edoras (of course he took a shield also, and I don't see one of those in the picture....plus I SERIOUSLY doubt that they are going to be that exacting..). Then again, it may just be a stand in...wouldn't Gimli have to be digitally added in order to be shrunk down to size?

[Fat middle]

nope: they don't use digital techniques in order to shrunk dwarves nor hobbits. they simply use short guys for the distant shots.

[Leonides]

For long shots that's true, but they are using digital techniques for closer shots, as well as trick camera angles.

[Fat middle]

Thaks Leonides for your insistence. he's Legolas

here's proof: www.theonering.net/movie/.../large/977 (http://www.theonering.net/movie/s****book/large/977)

same hair cut.

now, i'm relieved :)

[Inoldonil]

I'm extremely late anduin but I've been away and I didn't know. Happy Birthday!

[anduin]

Hey thanks! :)

[Findarato Ingoldo]

Hi. I'm new here. But I agree that it looks like Legolas and Gimli. Plus, didn't they ride with all the "Big Shots"? Like Theoden, Eomer, and the rest. Granted in the book it sounds like Eomer rides in middle to back of the army, but in the movie I would guess that they'd stick him in the front.

[Idril Celebrindal]

I'll go with Legolas and Gimli. I think the tall rider definitely looks like Legolas. Although I can't really make out the outfit, the hair looks right.