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Evil Angel
03-28-2002, 09:35 PM
can somebody tell me if they know the answer pleaseeeeee?
Wayfarer
03-28-2002, 09:44 PM
Aule?
Evil Angel
03-28-2002, 10:00 PM
no, that's not right
Wayfarer
03-28-2002, 10:04 PM
Can you restate the question?

What do you mean 'let have the dwarves'?
Evil Angel
03-28-2002, 10:16 PM
I don't know how to, someone else asked me to find out earlier and just said to post this, but it's really important that I find out! I don't know, maybe 'let take the dwarves'???
Wayfarer
03-28-2002, 10:23 PM
Nobody took the dwarves. ;)

Aule created them, and illuvatar let him keep them. are you sure that's not what you mean?
Nibs
03-28-2002, 10:31 PM
Perhaps you are referring to the sack of Moria or a similar circumstance of battle?
Wayfarer
03-28-2002, 10:32 PM
Yes.. Could that be it?
Evil Angel
03-28-2002, 10:38 PM
LOL, ok, how obvious is it that I don't know what I'm talking about?!

um does this Aule have a last name or anything? and if he created them then why did someone else tell him he could keep them??
Evil Angel
03-28-2002, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by Nibs
Perhaps you are referring to the sack of Moria or a similar circumstance of battle?

umm maybe, can you explain a bit more about that please?
emplynx
03-28-2002, 10:46 PM
Originally posted by Evil Angel
LOL, ok, how obvious is it that I don't know what I'm talking about?!

um does this Aule have a last name or anything? and if he created them then why did someone else tell him he could keep them??
Illuvatar - big god in heaven
Aule - little god on earth
Aule created dwarves without permission, Illuvatar should have smitten him and the dwarves but he had compassion.
Wayfarer
03-28-2002, 10:47 PM
Basically, yeah...
Nibs
03-28-2002, 10:53 PM
Your signature makes me very happy, Wayfarer. You can have both on there if you like.

Okay, Evil one... if emplynx's reply didn't answer it, I'll elaborate.

Moria was the greatest dweilling of the dwarves before a balrog came (or was it dug up?), slew Thorin (?), and it was overrun by orcs. However, I doubt that that's pertinent to your question because you mentioned Iluvatar.
Elf Girl
03-29-2002, 10:52 AM
And no, Aule doesn't have a last name.
markedel
03-29-2002, 11:10 AM
Just wondering by why doesn't Aule get a cool appelation a la Manwe Sulimo. Can we at entmoot invent, if only to please evil angel? Who knows some Quenya!

:)
Wayfarer
03-29-2002, 06:37 PM
He's Mahal in Khudzul.
Ñólendil
03-30-2002, 01:53 AM
Aule's not the only Vala we doesn't have a second name in Quenya for. There's also Este, Vaire, Nienna, Ulmo, Nessa and Vána.

To clarify the Dwarf story a little more: Aule was a kind of Angel who wished to have his own people. Elves and Men were going to awake one day but Aule wasn't patient, so he made seven Dwarf Fathers and six Dwarf-woman. Trouble is, Aule didn't have the power of God so he couldn't just create people. He made the Dwarves, but they didn't have any independence, they were just like puppets. But Iluvatar ("All-father", God), found out about it, took pity on Aule, and gave the Dwarves true life, adopting them as his own Children.
Elf Girl
03-30-2002, 10:14 AM
That just about sums it up.
Lightice
03-31-2002, 04:30 PM
He's usually called Aulë the Smith, as that he is, and he's the teacher of Noldor.
Radagast The Brown
04-01-2002, 02:40 PM
right, and his wife is Yavanna.
Elf Girl
04-21-2002, 06:21 PM
And he's really cool!!!